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Walnut and Roscoe are dead....

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 02:07 AM
I don't have many details yet. It appears that someone poisoned them. Whatever killed them did it within a couple of hrs. Bheka got the least of whatever it was and is in stable condition at the emergency vet.

We let them outside in our backyard and then went out (please don't flame for this if you're against doing so, it's a moot point now, 2 of my dogs are gone, I feel guilty enough as is :(), when we came back Roscoe and Walnut were on the ground convulsing, their tongues were purple and they were breathing very heavy and were paralyzed. We rushed them to the vet here in town (our normal vet is 45 min away) and they died within 10 mins of getting there.
Bheka was acting mostly normal but kind of shivering. Vet gave her fluids and she improved immediately.
I NEVER keep chemicals around my yard (don't even use them for gardening, I'm mostly organic), and I obviously never keep anything like rat poison around (even if I had a rodent problem I'm a live capture advocate, don't believe in making even pests suffer....). We searched the yard and didn't find any poisonous plants or anything either (plants do not generally kill that quickly anyway).
I know most of my neighbors and don't know anyone that would do anything like this. In fact we watch each others yards which is part of the reason I felt comfortable leaving them out. All of my neighbors have dogs and other pets.
But, the vets (the one in town, and the normal vet whose emergency clinic bheka is now at, who is a wonderful knowledgeable person), said that whatever it was had to of been a quick acting nerve toxin such as strychnine (but they didn't show exact symptoms for that) or some kind of rat poison.
Bheka tested a slight positive for ethylene glycol (antifreeze), but antifreeze even in large amounts generally kills within 12 hrs at soonest, and causes other symptoms they did not have. Either way, she's being treated for that just in case.
Roscoe tested positive for late stage kidney failure. When they looked at his stomach contents there was really nothing there, but we collected any vomit in the yard and anything else suspicious to be sent off to a lab. Walnut I'm not sure about since I wouldn't let anyone touch her, she was like my baby, I couldn't let someone cut her open :(. I had her since 6 weeks old and she was only 4 1/2. Roscoe was only 5. Bheka is only 8 months old but she's 91 lbs, so we think either she didn't get as much or her sheer weight saved her (roscoe was 20 lbs, Walnut 55).

So yeah, I'd appreciate comments, condolences, or whatever :(. If anyone has any ideas as to what could cause such symptoms, other than something like rat poison (I'd really rather NOT think someone poisoned them, because if I find out who it was...well...) I'd like to hear it. 2 of the dogs are gone, but at the least it could help with Bhekas treatment and from something like that happening again. There will be people watching and treating her for the next 48 hrs at least, and she's in good condition.
Bheka had a slightly elevated white blood cell count, but not really out of normal range, and slightly elevated phosphorous level. Her kidneys and liver tested just fine, thank god.

Tundra_Queen
April 10th, 2010, 03:42 AM
Oh God, I am so very very sorry. This is just terrible.
((HUGS HUGS)) :(:cry: I can't imagine the pain u are going thru. I feel sick. Those poor sweet animals. :cry:

The only thing I was thinking of was antifreeze as I know it only takes a small amount to kill an animal.

You don't have any Yew trees around that they could of eaten some needles?

I will be saying prayers that Bheka will recover and be ok. :grouphug::grouphug:

Debbie

Goldfields
April 10th, 2010, 04:02 AM
I read this with tears in my eyes. Those poor dogs. :( Such a terrible thing for you and your family to go through too. I dragged out a dog book to study and the only things I could see to cause convulsions and or paralysis were aspirin in large quantities,Chlorinated hydrocarbons,(gives a list of flea rinses for that), lead poisoning(paralysis mentioned), snail bait, insecticides, strychnine and 1080. Does anyone use 1080 where you are? It can kill in 2 to 12 hours and is used here to bait foxes. :fingerscr for Bheka.
I had a friend who lost her fox terrier from lead poisoning just because it had been climbing up on some old wet weatherboards off the house next door, which had been painted with lead paint. He'd come inside and lick his feet dry.
Oh, there are lots of poisonous plants too but I don't know what symptoms they cause. I did notice in the garden part of this forum that people were warned about certain plants when they said they grew them but lobelia was mentioned and nothing was said. It is very poisonous, my husband once lost a dairy cow after it ate lobelia. Oleander is another thing that I think can kill quickly, a friend had a mare die after she probably just picked up a leaf whilst grazing in their driveway.

TeriM
April 10th, 2010, 04:07 AM
Oh my god, that is every owners worst nightmare :cry:.
I am so very, very sorry that this has happened to your family :grouphug:. I am glad that Bheka seems to be okay and major healing vibes going out to her :fingerscr.

Is it possible that some mushrooms have sprouted that they might have eaten? Some are very toxic and might cause the symptoms you described.

Again, I am so sorry .... my heart breaks for you and you will be in my thoughts and prayers :grouphug:.

Rest easy sweet Walnut and Roscoe, you will definately be missed :angel: :angel:.

Tundra_Queen
April 10th, 2010, 04:09 AM
apparently arsenic can turn a tongue black, but I have found nothing on anything turning a tongue purple except a lack of oxygen. :(

Tundra_Queen
April 10th, 2010, 04:38 AM
eating rhubarb leaves can cause convulsions.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 06:27 AM
Thank you for your comments and condolences everyone :grouphug:

There aren't any poisonous plants in my yard that I could find (looked them all up and I'm very careful never to plant anything like that. And none that I could find would cause such sudden and painful death :(. Any that would don't grow in this region as far as I know. My yard isn't very big so it was easy to look around.) Also looked for mushrooms, and no none have been popping up yet. Also, Walnut was very unlikely to eat anything like that. Very picky eater and wouldn't eat a lot of people foods, much less odd plant matter (Roscoe would, but not her). The only thing I've ever found remotely poisonous in my yard is polk weed, which grows wild around here, but not has come in yet, and yet again, mostly causes stomach upset, not the same symptoms as a strong neurotoxin. No lead paint on outside or inside of my house, was inspected when we moved in, and again, much more prolonged symptoms except in VERY high quantities.

Antifreeze, from what the vet explained, would have to be in VERY large amount to cause death within 12 hrs, much less 2. And they also didn't have the exact symptoms (both vets have seen many cases of antifreeze poisoning and agreed it didn't fit). I don't even have antifreeze at my house anyway, so yet again would have had to been given to them. There are things like propylene glycol as preservatives in some stuff that can cause a false positive on an ethylene glycol test though, which could explain the slight positive that Bheka had.

As far as pesticides like flea killer and such that I would have in my house, all is locked up and none could have been gotten to. I also never use that kind of stuff in my yard. If they got pesticides it would have had to be given to them somehow.

Everything leads me to believe someone gave them something. I told my neighbors to keep a very close watch on their dogs, search their yards and keep an eye out for anyone or anything suspicious. Hopefully no one else has this happen to them :(. Neurotoxin is about the most painful way to die I can think of. The muscles seize up and there are very painful convulsions until death. Whoever did something like that is a very very sick psychopathic person.

quincymycat
April 10th, 2010, 06:49 AM
How absolutely horrible.
Sincerest condolences MBIE, and not that makes anything better or different, you are right on about anyone who would deliberately do this being a psychopath.....not a whit of conscience there.
:goodvibes: :grouphug: for Bheka
:angel2: :candle: for Walnut and Rosoe

BusterBoo
April 10th, 2010, 07:48 AM
:sorry: I pray that whoever did this is caught and is severely punished.

Speedy recovery for Bheka :fingerscr

:rip: Walnut and Roscoe :pray:

clm
April 10th, 2010, 08:11 AM
How horrible.

Have you asked your neighbours if they use rat poisen? They may have ingested dead mice or rats that have eaten it. I know it sounds unbelievable, but our last dog who was the pickiest eater in the world, would eat voles or mice that stray cats killed in the yard. Of course we always tried to check to make sure there were none out there when we discovered that he would eat them.

clm

14+kitties
April 10th, 2010, 08:26 AM
You must be devastated. :grouphug: My heart breaks for you. :(
:candle::rip: Walnut :candle:
:candle::rip: Roscoe :candle:

Toonces
April 10th, 2010, 08:50 AM
I can't imagine how you must be feeling :( I am so very sorry for your loss

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 09:15 AM
How horrible.

Have you asked your neighbours if they use rat poisen? They may have ingested dead mice or rats that have eaten it. I know it sounds unbelievable, but our last dog who was the pickiest eater in the world, would eat voles or mice that stray cats killed in the yard. Of course we always tried to check to make sure there were none out there when we discovered that he would eat them.

clm

Thanks again to everyone else that replied :grouphug:

None of the neighbors I talked to use it (since we all have animals), but there have been a few dead mice around the house lately and we thought about that last night. We assumed cats were just killing them and bringing them in the yard since there are lots of cats around here. I think it's unlikely that all 3 dogs got sick so quickly from this, but if I find any today I'm going to have them sent off just in case to be tested.
I'm pretty sure no one has actually been setting bait outside because I haven't seen any dead squirrels, but my husband mentioned that mice can wander pretty far, possibly out of someone's house before they died. If they wandered that far though I find it odd that they'd have enough poison in them to kill 2 dogs within a couple of hrs and get another sick though.

One of my neighbors I haven't talked to (mainly because I kind of suspect someone that goes to their house to be honest....) and I don't think they'd give me honest answers about anything anyway. I don't see them personally having done something, they have a couple of dogs and though they don't take great care of them they don't seem to be the type of people that would just outright poison something. The people that hang around their house though, I dunno....

But I don't wanna just go around accusing people unless I have some type of evidence.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 09:23 AM
On a lighter note though, did you guys know the treatment for antifreeze poisoning is Everclear (190 proof alcohol)? :laughing:

I found this out from the emergency vet last night. Since Bheka is being treated for it just in case, since she got a slight positive, she told us the treatment would make her seem kind of drunk. Well when we went to say goodbye to Bheka for the night we saw a bottle sitting on the counter and my husband goes "Oh my gosh, tell me that's not the treatment..." kind of laughing. And the vet goes "Well actually, yes..." and explained how it worked (you can look it up, it's pretty interesting). We were like "Well no wonder she'll be acting drunk, she IS drunk :laughing:"

Liquor, what CAN'T it do, haha.

chico2
April 10th, 2010, 09:28 AM
MBIE,I am so very sorry:cry:

There are evil people out there,who would get a kick out of poisoning animals:evil:

Walnut,Roscoe :rip:beautiful pups:candle:

cassiek
April 10th, 2010, 09:30 AM
:rip: Walnut

:rip: Roscoe

MBIE, I am truly sorry for your loss.

Bheka, is in my prayers for a speedy recovery. :pray: Please keep us posted on how she does.

luckypenny
April 10th, 2010, 09:34 AM
I'm so sorry MBIE :grouphug:. What a nightmare :(.

I'm just reaching here but, is there any animal, rodent, snake, insect, etc., that can be poisonous if eaten or if bit/stung by one? Like there are poisonous plants, can there be poisonous 'living' things in your area?

:candle: Walnut & Roscoe :candle:

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 09:41 AM
I'm so sorry MBIE :grouphug:. What a nightmare :(.

I'm just reaching here but, is there any animal, rodent, snake, insect, etc., that can be poisonous if eaten or if bit/stung by one? Like there are poisonous plants, can there be poisonous 'living' things in your area?

:candle: Walnut & Roscoe :candle:

None in this area are that toxic. In fact I don't think there are any snakes in the U.S. venomous enough to cause such a quick and horrible reaction. Even most of the exotic bugs and snakes aren't nearly that venomous or poisonous and at the least wouldn't be venomous enough to inject 2 healthy dogs and quickly kill them.
Also, there are no highly venomous exotics found around here because we are not far enough south for them to survive. This would be a valid concern somewhere like Texas or FL but not this far north.

Also, I'm into biology (specifically herpetology(reptiles), ichthyology (fish), and some entomology (insects)) and I can only think of a few scorpions, spiders and snakes around the WORLD that would cause such a reaction. None of them would be found around here. I looked the ones I couldn't think of up, and even the most toxic would be unlikely to be able to have enough venom to bite 2 dogs and kill both quickly. Certain poison dart frogs also come to mind, but none of the very highly toxic ones would ever be found here (other than in zoos possibly), they would never even be imported as pets. There are a few very toxic fish (such as the fugu (pufferfish) eaten in asia, which has tetrodotoxin), and obviously nothing like that was consumed.

In addition, we checked for bite marks just on the off chance and found none on any of the 3 dogs.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 09:49 AM
Ok, I should be done editing that last post, haha. Still a few mistakes that I can see, but hopefully none of you are hardcore biology researchers and won't notice....

DoubleRR
April 10th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Oh how heartbreaking!! You must be beside yourself with such a turmoil of emotions. I hear you on what may occur if you find out who....I know what would occur here. Pray you find out what happened for your own peace of mind--this is the stuff of nightmares.

shirley1011
April 10th, 2010, 09:57 AM
I am so lost for words...MBIE and your hubby are such animal lovers...and having met Walnut, I am so sorry. Walnut welcomed Shasta last summer and gave her some happy times and for that I am truly thankful to your family. I don't know how you are coping with all this but know your family is in our hearts and we feel your pain.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 10:12 AM
I am so lost for words...MBIE and your hubby are such animal lovers...and having met Walnut, I am so sorry. Walnut welcomed Shasta last summer and gave her some happy times and for that I am truly thankful to your family. I don't know how you are coping with all this but know your family is in our hearts and we feel your pain.

Thank you.

Walnut was the most wonderful dog I've ever met, and everyone that met her loved her. The vet techs at our regular vet cried when they heard the news. They got very attached to her when she was up there for awhile being treated for her HGE last year. The whole family is very distraught, she was like our child and she loved anyone and almost any animal:( . When we'd take her out to places like the fair all the little kids would crowd around her and give her hugs and she loved it. She didn't have a mean bone in her body and thrived on attention from absolutely anyone. She was also one of the smartest dogs I've ever had the pleasure of being around.
I'm actually more distraught at the moment about the WAY she died rather than the fact that she's gone. Obviously I didn't want her to go so young, but the LAST thing I ever wanted was for her to go painfully, she didn't deserve that at all, nor did Roscoe, or does any animal :(

All I can say is the sick people that did this will get theirs some day, even if it's not from me. People like that really don't deserve to be called human.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 10:22 AM
I wish there was a small Walnut tree I could plant over her grave. Doesn't appear to be any that stay smallish though.

Any other suggestions as to what kind of tree to plant? (30 ft tall at most)
Something flowering would be nice. And something without a massive root system since I don't have a huge yard and they might grow into the pipes in the ground, plus make it hard to plant other stuff. I was thinking maybe a wisteria (not a real tree but very beautiful). Also must be non toxic to animals obviously.

Either way I want to plant something. I don't care for grave stones, I want something living that will bloom every year and will be hardy.

Shaykeija
April 10th, 2010, 10:23 AM
I am so sorry for your loss....Have you contacted the police and SPCA? I hope these turds that did this suffer in their next lives or burn in hell... :grouphug: to you, and again I am so sorry....

hazelrunpack
April 10th, 2010, 10:24 AM
What a nightmare, MBIE :cry: Thank God that Bheka didn't get as much!

:candle: Walnut
:candle: Roscoe

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 10:27 AM
BTW, I'm not leaving Roscoe out, my mother in law is just very insistent that he be buried at her own house since he was partially her dog. She's going to pick his body up when they're done examining it. He was over there all the time and slept in bed with her every night (she lives alone and has 2 other dogs, but they are too big in her small bed. He was like her baby). I took him home every day while she was at work.
Her old dog just died a few weeks ago at 14 and now this, so obviously she's heartbroken.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 10:27 AM
I am so sorry for your loss....Have you contacted the police and SPCA? I hope these turds that did this suffer in their next lives or burn in hell... :grouphug: to you, and again I am so sorry....

I haven't done anything yet. We were at the emergency vet yesterday until about midnight. I will definitely be doing so. I also alerted the local message board of what happened.

My Lodi Girl
April 10th, 2010, 10:29 AM
MBIE, I am so, so sorry. I hope your vet is able to find out the cause to ease your mind. It's hard enough to lose one baby much less two at the same time.
:rip: Walnut and Roscoe :candle:

Choochi
April 10th, 2010, 10:30 AM
Is it possible they got into something that morning or inside the house before you even let them out? That could account for the seemingly short time frame.

Did you report this to the police? They may not necessarily be of any immediate help but if they ever come across a similar case in the future knowing of your incident would be helpful, plus having a police report filed at least could possibly help in the future.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 10:32 AM
Is it possible they got into something that morning or inside the house before you even let them out? That could account for the seemingly short time frame.

Did you report this to the police? They may not necessarily be of any immediate help but if they ever come across a similar case in the future knowing of your incident would be helpful, plus having a police report filed at least could possibly help in the future.

Nothing in my house for them to get into. I checked anyway and still found nothing. I leave Bheka in the livingroom to sleep at night and she's only 8 months old so I'm very careful. There are locks on all the cabinets and all meds are up very high or in closets (in any case, all meds have been accounted for). I also don't use any chemicals such as the blue toilet stuff.
Along with the dogs I currently have 11 cats (7 kittens) so I'm very cautious. The trash even has a lid and is locked in room they can't get to.

shirley1011
April 10th, 2010, 10:52 AM
What about a rose bush or a yellow bird magnolia....so sad, I wish I had words to bring you comfort.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 10:55 AM
What about a rose bush or a yellow bird magnolia....so sad, I wish I had words to bring you comfort.

That's ok. It's nice just to talk to you guys.

I dunno about a rose bush since they're not always super hardy.

The magnolia does look interesting, but a bit tall, which is ok as long as it doesn't get super wide or can be easily trimmed. She's buried close to my fence, so I don't want my neighbor to have to trim it out of her yard or have limbs falling on her deck.

Winston
April 10th, 2010, 10:59 AM
MBIE I am so sorry your going through this. I cant even imagine this??
Since your examining every possibility is there a chance that someone wanted some kind of revenge? either personally or against the dogs? I guess really we are all grasping at straws until you find out exactly what it was. I really hope you can find some answers!

Be sure to know that Walnut and Roscoe are up playing with Shasta and all the others that have gone ahead! Free of pain! I hope this thought will bring you some peace MF..
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

RIP Sweet ones
:candle:

cell
April 10th, 2010, 11:13 AM
I'm very sorry to hear about your dogs, have you considered a mushroom poisoning? I found this list on wiki with effects and distribution, maybe somthing would fit, the majority of them cause liver issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadly_fungi

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 11:30 AM
MBIE I am so sorry your going through this. I cant even imagine this??
Since your examining every possibility is there a chance that someone wanted some kind of revenge? either personally or against the dogs? I guess really we are all grasping at straws until you find out exactly what it was. I really hope you can find some answers!

Be sure to know that Walnut and Roscoe are up playing with Shasta and all the others that have gone ahead! Free of pain! I hope this thought will bring you some peace MF..
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

RIP Sweet ones
:candle:

The dogs, no. None of them were aggressive toward anyone and we didn't let them roam, they were locked in the backyard.

As far as us, not that I know of. If it was that it would have to be something extremely petty that I can't even think of. We generally mind our own business and leave everyone else alone.

I'm very sorry to hear about your dogs, have you considered a mushroom poisoning? I found this list on wiki with effects and distribution, maybe somthing would fit, the majority of them cause liver issue.

Didn't see any mushrooms anywhere in the yard. Also none of the ones that would be around here are toxic to that extent or cause those exact symptoms. Of 3 vets they agreed it must have been some kind of synthetic or concentrated neurotoxin. Naturally occuring plants and mushrooms generally just don't act that quickly or in that way. The only one I can think of is something like castor bean (which is used to make ricin), and that's not growing anywhere. Even botulism which occurs naturally and is an extremely toxic bacteria doesn't act that fast, even though late term symptoms are the same, and it occurs in an anaerobic enviroment, not just in random places outdoors.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 10th, 2010, 11:33 AM
I'm pretty sure if someone did it they would to have watched and seen us leave and done it right afterward. So that leaves some random person in the neighborhood, which I really don't want to think is true.

SIL
April 10th, 2010, 11:53 AM
MBIE I don't know what to say :( ....my condolences to you and your family :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

:candle:RIP Walnut and Roscoe :candle:

friend2animals
April 10th, 2010, 12:18 PM
OMG MBIE, I am so sorry that this has happened to you and your family:( and
I am so relieved that your Bheka is on the mend:fingerscr

These criminals had better watch their back...

happycats
April 10th, 2010, 01:17 PM
OMG how horrible, how awful, I can't imagine the pain your going through right now, and I am very very sorry
RIP sweet pups :candle:

I don't know how helpful this is bu, there have been some recalls;
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall/natures-variety-dog-food-recall-february-2010/

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/newpetfoodrecalls/

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/nutro.html

some other info;

http://puppieshealthkit.com/diseases.php

rainbow
April 10th, 2010, 02:09 PM
OMG ....what tragic news. :cry: :grouphug:

I am so very sorry to hear this ....how can anyone be so cruel. :( My deepest condolences to you and your family. :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

I hope that Bheka will have a complete recovery. :pray: :fingerscr



:rip: Walnut :candle:

:rip: Roscoe :candle:

Longblades
April 10th, 2010, 02:30 PM
I'm so sorry. This is a terrible thing to go through.

I wish there was a small Walnut tree I could plant over her grave.Such a nice idea but maybe not a walnut. Depending which source you read all or parts of some varieties are toxic to dogs.

Etown_Chick
April 10th, 2010, 02:42 PM
MBE
I'm going to second the poisoned mouse theory. Lots of people poison mice and don't realize they run around with the poison in them for quite a while before they die, becoming toxic to any cat or dog who eats them.
Finding dead mice in your yard is a clue.Not sure a cat would leave a dead mouse in a yard with three dogs..doesn't seem likely.
As horrible as it is that your dogs are gone, I hate to think some sick freak did it deliberately.

Dee-O-Gee
April 10th, 2010, 03:05 PM
MBIE...I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. :grouphug:

I sincerely hope that you find out the cause of this tragedy.

:candle:

Sylvie
April 10th, 2010, 03:56 PM
OMG I am so sorry for you and your dogs.

I only can pray that whatever it was it was a freak accident. Please know that yu are in my prayers. :grouphug::grouphug: to you and your family, you are wonderful people.

:rip: Walnut and Roscoe

babymomma
April 10th, 2010, 04:42 PM
Honestly, I don't think even if you were out with them, that you could have really done anything anyways. So I hope your not feeling guilt over letting them out unsupervised. I would let keely out in our yard alone if she were bigger.

Im SO sorry for your loss.. Its unfair for anybody to have to loose one. But not two at once. :( My heart goes out to you. I hope Casey will meet them at the bridge and show them the ropes..

I really wish there was something I could do/say to help :(

growler~GateKeeper
April 10th, 2010, 04:47 PM
Oh MBIE :2huggers: :grouphug: I am so sorry :cry2: :2huggers: :grouphug:

:rip: sweet :angel2: Walnut :candle: She is playing at the Rainbow Bridge (http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html) with those who've gone before :candle:

:rip: sweet :angel2: Roscoe :candle: He is playing at the Rainbow Bridge (http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html) with those who've gone before :candle:

:goodvibes: :goodvibes: speedy healing Bheka :goodvibes: :goodvibes:

I would suspect arsenic poisoning as it can be very fast acting even within a matter of a few hours, there is a test in which the hair is tested, perhaps you can ask the vet if they can test Roscoe & Walnuts' blood, fur or toe nails :(

Arsenic poisoning is usually determined by a hair analysis. If arsenic is found in the hair follicles it will stay there for years. If it is in your hair follicles it is usually in your body as well. Arsenic is also deposited in the fingernails and skin.

Sib.HuskyMom
April 10th, 2010, 04:57 PM
I just wanted to say that I am so sorry for your loss. What an unspeakable tragedy :( My heart goes out to you.

I wish there was something more I could say or do, but please know that my thoughts are with you. :candle:

catlover2
April 10th, 2010, 05:03 PM
:rip::rip: I'm sooo sorry for your loss. What a horrendous thing you've had to go though, with many unanswered questions. Why? Why? We are all wondering what on earth could have happened so quickly, tho it does sound like a poisoning.

the gang
April 10th, 2010, 05:31 PM
words can not tell you how very sorry i am to hear of your news, please know that i will say a prayer tonight for your babbies god speed :candle: brenda and the pins:rip:

Love4himies
April 10th, 2010, 06:58 PM
I am so sorry, you must be absolutely devastated :( :cry: :grouphug:


:candle: Walnut and Roscoe :rip:

onster
April 10th, 2010, 07:19 PM
I am so very sorry, praying for strength for you :grouphug::grouphug::(:rip:

diandpat
April 10th, 2010, 07:40 PM
:cry::cry::cry: I am truly sick for you...I just can't imagine what you must be going through. :grouphug:

aslan
April 10th, 2010, 07:52 PM
MBIE i'm soooo sorry to hear this has happened to you and your family,this is just heartbreaking..:grouphug:
:rip: Walnut and Roscoe.

Dog Dancer
April 10th, 2010, 08:32 PM
MBIE, there are no words for how sorry I am for you and your family. What a horrible horrible shock this must have been. May Walnut and Roscoe be playing together at the bridge, and may the sob who did this to them find his karma very very soon. I am just heartbroken for you.

Goldfields
April 10th, 2010, 10:21 PM
MyBirdIsEvil, you wrote

I'm pretty sure if someone did it they would to have watched and seen us leave and done it right afterward. So that leaves some random person in the neighborhood, which I really don't want to think is true.

Supposing that were true ... were your dogs barkers, or did they bark if you went out? Neighbors could answer that. Did they chase up and down the fence after dogs or people walking by? Had they ever been involved in any confrontation with people or dogs? I just feel that unless you hear of other poisonings, they were targetted, if it was a deliberate poisoning I mean. I am new here so don't know what sort of dogs they are, so could someone be anti the breed rather than the particular dogs? Have they ever got loose? And you have to ask is it someone with a grudge against you? The only poisonings we hear of here in Australia is usually when some nutter goes on a killing spree and a number of dogs die. Oh, some shelties were fed antifreeze at a show, some mongrel slipped it into their water bowl, but that was someone trying to kill a top show dog, getting rid of the competition, not the act of a true poisoner, if you follow me.

Tundra_Queen
April 11th, 2010, 12:53 AM
MBIS you don't keep Borax laudry soap in your home do u? As Borax is extremely toix. Have u called a poison control center.. maybe they would know of something that would cause the symptoms the dogs had?

ownedbycats
April 11th, 2010, 08:36 AM
If you are looking for a tree to plant why not a Rose of sharon? They are usually bushes, but can grow into small trees if allowed. They are fairly hardy, and once they start flowering can keep it up for a month or more if the fall weather stays nice.

ownedbycats
April 11th, 2010, 08:37 AM
If you are looking for a tree to plant why not a Rose of sharon? They are usually bushes, but can grow into small trees if allowed. They are fairly hardy, have no thorns and once they start flowering can keep it up for a month or more if the fall weather stays nice.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 11th, 2010, 03:00 PM
Sorry everyone, I meant to post last night but I fell asleep.

Bheka is home and doing just fine. We picked her up yesterday evening. She is wondering where her companions are this morning though.

MyBirdIsEvil, you wrote

I'm pretty sure if someone did it they would to have watched and seen us leave and done it right afterward. So that leaves some random person in the neighborhood, which I really don't want to think is true.

Supposing that were true ... were your dogs barkers, or did they bark if you went out? Neighbors could answer that. Did they chase up and down the fence after dogs or people walking by? Had they ever been involved in any confrontation with people or dogs? I just feel that unless you hear of other poisonings, they were targetted, if it was a deliberate poisoning I mean. I am new here so don't know what sort of dogs they are, so could someone be anti the breed rather than the particular dogs? Have they ever got loose? And you have to ask is it someone with a grudge against you? The only poisonings we hear of here in Australia is usually when some nutter goes on a killing spree and a number of dogs die. Oh, some shelties were fed antifreeze at a show, some mongrel slipped it into their water bowl, but that was someone trying to kill a top show dog, getting rid of the competition, not the act of a true poisoner, if you follow me.

No, the answer is no to all of that. Walnut was the only one that can get out and she only went in the neighbors yard usually. They don't have a problem with her, they'd just tell her to get back in our yard. It's a couple of old people with dog's themselves, and they liked our dogs, so it's doubtful they'd do anything. Lately Walnut hadn't gotten out at all, probably for several months. Roscoe ran out our front door a couple of times but the neighbors tried to help us get him back in :shrug:
Bheka never has and cannot get out of our yard and doesn't run off.

None of them would be targetted by antibreed people. Walnut was a mutt and looked like an odd colored small german shepherd. Roscoe was a minpin and Bheka is a Greater Swiss Mountain dog.

As far as barking and running at the fence our backyard isn't near a street, it's surrounded by our neighbors yards. The only time roscoe barked a lot was if someone harrassed him by standing at the fence and yelling or clapping or something. Walnut was very quiet and the only time she barked is when the neighbors behind us let their dogs out, but their dogs barked at ours too. The dogs were never left out more than a couple of hours at a time and never at night, my dog's are mainly house dogs, so excessive barking wouldn't have been an issue. We've never had any complaints. There are a ton of people around the neighborhood that DO leave their dogs out and some of them bark at times, so there's no reason someone would target us before any of them.

So yeah I have no clue why someone would do something other than they just felt like it. I keep racking my brain for something it could have been other than that. Poisoned mice is a possibility but nothing was found in roscoe's stomach and none in his vomit. I haven't found anymore in my yard since the ones I found a couple of weeks ago.

We're still waiting for the test results from the stomach contents and stuff. They had to send it off to a lab.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 11th, 2010, 03:01 PM
To the person that mentioned Borax, no I never use that.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 11th, 2010, 03:09 PM
So anyway, we also brought Roscoe's remains home last night, he's buried in my mother in law's backyard. :(
But on a lighter note, there is a dog she'd been thinking about taking, her friend rescued it and could not care for it financially so was thinking of taking it to the pound. She decided last night to take it. It's a sweet little dog, about 6 months old, appears to be a border collie mixed with something like whippet or greyhound.
We brought Bheka over there last night and they had fun playing with each other and the other 2 dogs.

I think I've decided to plant a dwarf pear tree where Walnut is buried. Pears were her favorite treat. Something like this maybe http://www.fast-growing-trees.com/BartlettPear.htm.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 11th, 2010, 03:16 PM
Honestly, I don't think even if you were out with them, that you could have really done anything anyways. So I hope your not feeling guilt over letting them out unsupervised. I would let keely out in our yard alone if she were bigger.

Im SO sorry for your loss.. Its unfair for anybody to have to loose one. But not two at once. :( My heart goes out to you. I hope Casey will meet them at the bridge and show them the ropes..

I really wish there was something I could do/say to help :(

I do feel guilty. Usually I locked them up in the laundry room when we went somewhere, but it was such a pretty day out and Walnut enjoys laying in the sun when it's not too hot so I decided to leave them out :( . When we left they were happy and doing just fine then I come back to Her and Roscoe laying on the ground asphyxiating and paralyzed and having seizures. And I was pretty much positive they were not gonna make it even before we left for the vet.
Walnut's heart stopped about 10 minutes after we got to the vet and he tried for about 5 to revive her. After he said she was gone I still tried to restart her heart by giving her CPR and they had to make me stop. Roscoe died a few mins after her in another room.
This is probably the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to me, and a lot has happened before. My husband said burying Walnut was the hardest thing he's ever done, and that included cleaning out his dad's house after he died and dropping his ashes in the ocean :(.

breeze
April 11th, 2010, 03:45 PM
I am soooo sorry for your loss :grouphug::cry::cry:

mastifflover
April 11th, 2010, 04:41 PM
I am so sorry for the loss of your 2 dogs that is devastating. My thoughts are with you and your family:rip:

Love4himies
April 11th, 2010, 06:10 PM
I do feel guilty. Usually I locked them up in the laundry room when we went somewhere, but it was such a pretty day out and Walnut enjoys laying in the sun when it's not too hot so I decided to leave them out :( . When we left they were happy and doing just fine then I come back to Her and Roscoe laying on the ground asphyxiating and paralyzed and having seizures. And I was pretty much positive they were not gonna make it even before we left for the vet.
Walnut's heart stopped about 10 minutes after we got to the vet and he tried for about 5 to revive her. After he said she was gone I still tried to restart her heart by giving her CPR and they had to make me stop. Roscoe died a few mins after her in another room.
This is probably the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to me, and a lot has happened before. My husband said burying Walnut was the hardest thing he's ever done, and that included cleaning out his dad's house after he died and dropping his ashes in the ocean :(.

I don't have any words :cry: :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

t.pettet
April 11th, 2010, 07:14 PM
So sorry you and your family and poor Bheka are having to deal with this tragedy and hope that the poison is identified along with who dispensed it.

My Lodi Girl
April 11th, 2010, 08:03 PM
I have been thinking about you, Walnut and Roscoe ever since I read your story. What in the world could it be? Then I thought, could they have possibly gotten into something the day before? Maybe it wasn't something fast acting but something they got into earlier. I am racking my brain.
You have my heartfelt sympathy for all you are going through. :grouphug:

Bina
April 11th, 2010, 08:52 PM
Sending you sincere condolences on the loss of your sweet doggies.

I have a story: I used to have a neighbour with Bassetts, nice family.
BUT, when they had a problem with squirrels in their attic,
the husband put poison on pieces of bread (!$*&^%) and left them on the edge of the roof for the squirrels.
He thought the dogs would never get them. Well, a big wind storm came along and blew the
pieces of bread off of the roof and directly into the dog pen.

Fortunately she noticed her dog barf and look very sick, and he went immediately to the emerg vet.
It was quick at the vets and the dogs were saved, but her husband had to pay a huge vet bill
and I'm sure his wife almost murdered him anyway.

Goldfields
April 11th, 2010, 09:39 PM
We're still waiting for the test results from the stomach contents and stuff. They had to send it off to a lab.

:fingerscr that they can give you an answer. They couldn't have dug up and eaten any bulbs? I know daffodils are poisonous but not the symptoms.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 11th, 2010, 10:11 PM
I have been thinking about you, Walnut and Roscoe ever since I read your story. What in the world could it be? Then I thought, could they have possibly gotten into something the day before? Maybe it wasn't something fast acting but something they got into earlier. I am racking my brain.
You have my heartfelt sympathy for all you are going through. :grouphug:

It's unlikely. Since Walnut got HGE and nearly died last year we watched her like a hawk for ANY odd behavior whatsoever. They were perfectly fine when we let them out, so if they got into something it was something that showed no signs whatsoever until sometime within that 2 hours when we were gone.
Antifreeze can show a delay, but there's always at least some kind of sign of sickness, then the dogs will act ok, which sometimes delays treatment, and then it will come back full force.
Even antifreeze would have had to be given specifically by someone though because we don't even have antifreeze at our house, none of our cars leak it and the dogs are always watched unless in the backyard.

BTW, Bheka is still just fine. We took her to my sister in law's house to play with her dog and run around out there.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 12th, 2010, 12:11 AM
I just thought of something.

The only place we haven't looked is under our house. It's a tight squeeze but I looked earlier and I think Walnut could have gotten under there if she tried hard enough and Roscoe definitely could have. The hole that goes under there is only partially boarded up and it's on the back porch.

I find it odd that Roscoe got sick to the same degree as Walnut but died AFTER her, being he was 20 lbs you'd think it would be the other way around. The way I figure it Walnut may have seen some kind of animal go under there, such as a rabbit, and while she wouldn't put the effort into getting under there after most animals, like cats, if it was something like a rabbit or squirrel, which she would ALWAYS chase and try to kill and the animal was acting weird that might have given her enough motivation. Roscoe may have went under there after her. There's NO way Bheka could have gotten under the house, she's WAY too big, and the other dogs wouldn't have brought anything out for her to get, but perhaps she ate the other dogs' vomit and that's why she only got slightly sick, because most of the poison would have been metabolized by the other dogs by then. That would explain why the puke we found didn't have much in it, even the dog food they'd eaten that morning, and there was almost nothing in Roscoe's stomach, so we know he didn't re-eat it.

So in the morning when there's light we're going to go under there with flashlights and search really good to see if we find anything. I really really hope it was something like that and not a random poisoning.

mikischo
April 12th, 2010, 12:28 AM
I'm so sorry for your loss, MBIE.:grouphug: What a horrible nightmare this must be for you. I hope you at least find some answers soon.

:candle: Run free, sweet :angel2: Roscoe :dog: :candle:
:candle: Run free, sweet :angel2: Walnut :dog: :candle:

krdahmer
April 12th, 2010, 12:28 AM
:cry:I am so so sorry for your loss....I'll send my prayers your way tonight for strength, and some sort of answer.

:rip:Walnut and Roscoe :candle:

Speedy recovery for Bheka:goodvibes: and your poor hearts. :(:grouphug:

Goldfields
April 12th, 2010, 03:11 AM
How long have you lived in your house, and is there anything that could live under it that people might lay bait for? Rats or mice, but anything bigger?

breeze
April 12th, 2010, 08:48 AM
I really really hope it was something like that and not a random poisoning.


I hope so also, I would hate to think that a person/persons could be so cruel

:pray::fingerscr:goodvibes::grouphug::grouphug:

MyBirdIsEvil
April 12th, 2010, 11:50 AM
How long have you lived in your house, and is there anything that could live under it that people might lay bait for? Rats or mice, but anything bigger?

We bought the house at the end of '08. My husband went under there to inspect for structural issues, but I don't think he searched around the whole underneath for bait or dead animals. My cats have gotten out and run under there before and been fine, and I've seen the neighbors cats go under and be fine, but you know how cats are, they probably wouldn't gulp anything up like dogs would.

Either way my dogs have never showed any interest in going under there, and since it's partially boarded would have had to WANT to go under there badly. So that's why I'm thinking they may have seen some kind of sick and dying animal go under and followed it. That would be enough incentive for them to climb under the house. And it would explain why no remains were found in the yard itself.

I still haven't climbed under there. I just woke up a little while ago and just got done eating and found out I need batteries for my flashlight. So I'll update in a little bit when I get out to buy batteries and get under there.

MyBirdIsEvil
April 12th, 2010, 11:52 AM
BTW, if we do find an animal, being it's been a few days and we didn't think of it until now, do you guys think they'd still be able to test it and find anything? (Obviously we'd send it off anyway, but I'm just curious). If the dogs ate the stomach or something, would they be able to test the animal itself being there would be slight decomposition (it's been in the 70s) and find anything?

Love4himies
April 12th, 2010, 12:58 PM
Can your vet not do a toxicology report on your dog's bloodwork? I had that done on my Puddles when the vet was trying to determine what was causing her to be so ill.

Another thing I was thinking of is the size of the item that contained the toxins. Wouldn't it have to be a few peices or a large piece for all three dogs to get into it? Could somebody have thrown something over your fence?

Smiley14
April 12th, 2010, 05:48 PM
Oh, this is so shocking and heartbreaking. I am so so sorry for your loss. :grouphug:

kandy
April 12th, 2010, 06:54 PM
I am so sorry MBIE - such a horrible thing! My heart goes out to you and yours.

I would think that the vet could run toxicology on any remains you might find under your house. The symptoms are definitely a poisoning and I hope the vet can give you some answers soon.

otter
April 12th, 2010, 07:07 PM
Oh my, what a nightmare :(:(:(

I'm so sorry this has happened to you :grouphug:

I was going to suggest flowering dogwood for a plant but I see you are going with the pear tree... a very nice choice :angel:

My thoughts are with you

:cry:

MyBirdIsEvil
April 13th, 2010, 12:01 AM
We're realizing that Bheka is pretty lonely. Probably will take her out for a walk tomorrow with Royce and my mother in law's new dog. Would take her other dog too, but he hasn't been socialized so I dunno how he'd respond to other dogs or people on the street. He can be kind of aggressive when new people come to her house, especially guys. I'll have to take him out by himself and see what I can do with him. I know Royce is fine since I'm the one that raised and trained him, and the new dog is submissive to other dogs and people, so she should be fine. She needs some socialization anyway since she's only 6 months old.

I know I need to get a companion for Bheka, and I have no problem getting another dog, I just dunno how long we should wait :confused:. I don't wanna make the incorrect choice for her companion just on a snap decision because we're worried she's lonely just a few days after the other dogs passed. My sister in law has 2 malamute mix puppies, but they're only 7 weeks old and Bheka is a big old 91 lb dog plays rough and she kinda scares them, so they wouldn't be much of a companion for several months. I looked on petfinder but nothing really popped out at me as far as a good match right now. Big problem is I need an adult dog that won't hurt my cats, and since there are 10 cats running around and playing in my house it could spark their prey drive. The dogs I found that were ok with cats wouldn't be ok with Bheka because they were either too laid back and non-playfull or too small. The ones that seemed like they'd be ok with Bheka I was worried about the cats because they were larger dogs of breeds that tend to have a high prey drive, like huskies. :shrug: I wouldn't worry about those breeds if I raised them myself, but coming from a shelter or foster and being adults I dunno. We found one that was already living with cats and was large and playful, but like I said, worried about adopting so soon too. So yeah, what do you guys think?

Bheka seems pretty confused because she relied on Walnut to make decisions. If Walnut did something she'd just do what she did. Now we ask her to do stuff and she kinda has to think for a second to figure out if it's the right decision. Usually she'd wake up in the morning and go outside and play really hard with Walnut and they'd hang out and play together in the house all day. It seems so quiet here :( .

MyBirdIsEvil
April 13th, 2010, 12:05 AM
Oh, still haven't looked under the house yet. I was gonna do it myself earlier but my back went out on me and I just can't climb under there. My husband is procrastinating because I think he's either scared he WILL find something, or worse WON'T find anything.
I looked under there earlier before my back went out but I didn't have a good flashlight so I couldn't see very far in. It did smell kind of funny, but I wasn't sure if it was something decaying maybe because I really can't smell much anyway on account of my allergies.

cassiek
April 13th, 2010, 01:05 AM
MBIE, your in my thoughts as you continue on your search to get to the bottom of what happened to your pups. Good luck, and please keep us posted. :) :grouphug:

As for getting a companion for Bheka, IMO, I would wait it out for a bit until you hopefully get some resolutions. I can appreciate him feeling lonely... I know if anything happened to one of my dogs, the others would be so devestated - especially if only one of them was left. However, I would wait it out... like you said, you are looking for a very specific dog (adult, large, okay with 10 cats and Bheka etc), and I think its best not to rush into anything at this point. I don't think its possible to really set a specific time frame - it will vary with how you, your family, and Bheka are feeling. I would suggest having a grieving period, and you will know when the time is right to add another pup to your family.

Good luck! :goodvibes:

MyBirdIsEvil
April 13th, 2010, 01:10 AM
That's what I was thinking. I was thinking just bringing my mother in law's dogs over during the day while she's at work and they're alone anyway so Bheka has some company, or taking her over there with us. It does suck that she feels kind of lost right now though because she's just a puppy and she was taking all her cues from the adult dogs. That will make training a little harder too since she doesn't have any other dogs to learn from. I guess I could bring Royce over here some since he's already trained and everything, and they do have a similar personality, as in they're both big goofballs.
When I bring Bheka over there she likes to pick up limbs in the yard and carry them around and Royce will run over and grab one end and they'll pull each other around the yard :laughing:.

TeriM
April 13th, 2010, 01:37 AM
I agree that it will probably be best to wait a wee bit before getting another dog. While I am sure she misses the dogs she is probably also picking up on your sadness and feelings. Sounds like a good temporary situation to borrow the m-i-l dogs during the day and it might be good for Behka to have a bit of one on one time with you guys. It could help her develop her self confidence :).

cpietra16
April 13th, 2010, 11:21 PM
I am so sorry, I just now read your post. My condolences to you and your family...how truly sad:(

kungfuMao
April 14th, 2010, 01:19 AM
MBIE, what a tragic nightmare you guys have been through. Here's hoping for some peace and resolutions. :pray:

MyBirdIsEvil
April 14th, 2010, 12:33 PM
Just looked under the house. My husband found a squirrel with the guts eaten out. Head and spine were still intact and covered in fur. Went under there to look for myself and saw it too. There was fur and bone scattered everywhere so possibly looks like the dogs fought over it. Didn't see anything that looked like poison or bait under there.

What did I say? The only thing the dogs would have chased under there is a rabbit or squirrel. Cats go under there and they don't pay any attention. I dunno why I didn't think of that in the first place.

Tundra_Queen
April 16th, 2010, 01:10 AM
Are u going to have the squirrel remains tested for poison?

mummummum
April 16th, 2010, 11:27 AM
MBIE ~ what a horrible loss for you and yours. I can only imagine your heartbreak and your concern over Bheka's wellbeing. :grouphug:

babymomma
April 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM
I dont know if this has already been mentioned, but my moms coworker almost lost her dog because he was chewing on the side of their deck out back.. It was made of pressure treated lumber and it poisened him. He was chewing it in a spot that they didnt notice.. I dunno if you have anything made out of pressure treated lumber in your yard or if there could have been a piece of wood from something that was pressure treated ..

Pretty much just shooting in the dark... But Its an idea.

t.pettet
April 16th, 2010, 07:08 PM
You don't have any of that rusty colored mulch, I hear its toxic also.

JennieV
April 16th, 2010, 07:35 PM
First of all, my heartfelt condolences on the loss of Walnut and Roscoe.
:rip: puppers..

I think you should definitely send the remains in to find out whatever you can.
:(

MyBirdIsEvil
April 18th, 2010, 11:15 PM
Are u going to have the squirrel remains tested for poison?

Yeah. I still haven't gotten the original toxicology results back though, so there's no point in sending the remains to be tested yet because they won't know what to test for.
Once the toxicology results come back they can test for that specific substance and it will go much quicker.

You don't have any of that rusty colored mulch, I hear its toxic also.

I'm not sure which mulch you mean. Most mulch is pretty benign unless it's had chemicals added. I don't have any mulch in my yard either way. I use grass clippings around the bottom of plants.

I dont know if this has already been mentioned, but my moms coworker almost lost her dog because he was chewing on the side of their deck out back.. It was made of pressure treated lumber and it poisened him. He was chewing it in a spot that they didnt notice.. I dunno if you have anything made out of pressure treated lumber in your yard or if there could have been a piece of wood from something that was pressure treated ..

I don't have any wood like you're talking about. I have some fence posts, but they're not heavily treated, nor have they been chewed. Also they wouldn't kill 2 dogs within that short an amount of time and sicken another.
That is a good thing for people to watch out for though.

growler~GateKeeper
April 18th, 2010, 11:55 PM
I'm not sure which mulch you mean. Most mulch is pretty benign unless it's had chemicals added. I don't have any mulch in my yard either way. I use grass clippings around the bottom of plants

http://www.freeplants.com/free-article-toxic-mulch.htm
http://petfoodreport.blogspot.com/2008/06/warning-toxic-mulch.html
http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/factsheets/mulch/toxicmulch.html

MyBirdIsEvil
April 19th, 2010, 12:06 AM
Thanks Growler, that is good info to know. I hadn't ever heard of that. I'll be sure to tell people I know that, since some were planning on mulching and they have pets.

I tend to just use grass clippings around my plants since my my mower has a bagger and it's free :shrug:. My dad has always used grass clippings for gardening and it works great, so I never saw any reason to switch. Mulch from the store is prettier, but if I want to fill in places that are bare in my garden I generally use gravel. Then I don't have to replace it.

growler~GateKeeper
April 19th, 2010, 12:13 AM
Alot of the "decorative" mulch for house plants or for fake plants etc is also toxic - especially if it comes from a dollar store

Luvmypitgirls
April 23rd, 2010, 12:45 AM
I'm speechless, I can't even imagine what you are going thru.
You are in my thoughts and prayers, :cry:
RIP Walnut and Roscoe...run free at the Bridge.

norm258
April 23rd, 2010, 10:27 AM
My sincere condolences .

One thing that is possible is perhaps they got into a bottle of pills in the house? I was shocked the other day to find my puppy had chewed open a prescription bottle my wife left at her bedside. Fortunately the count of pills confirmed she didn't ingest any! We now keep anything like that in a drawer - although they are child proof, they aren't dog (with teeth!) proof.

I can't even imagine what you must be going through - I lost a pet suddenly 4 months ago and the thought of losing two at once would have been devastating.

Norm

edwina
April 26th, 2010, 05:22 PM
Have you heard anything back on the tests yet ? :confused:

MyBirdIsEvil
May 1st, 2010, 06:27 PM
Nothing on the tests yet from either vet. I dunno what's taking so long :confused:. Maybe they're behind. I would hassle the vets about it, but they're not the ones doing the test, so that wouldn't solve anything.

MyBirdIsEvil
May 15th, 2010, 11:28 PM
Just updating. I called my regular vet and the lab results still aren't in. They said it can take weeks if it's busy. Not their fault, since they're not the ones running the test. They seem very interested in getting the results back also, so I'm sure they'll call me when they're in. They've already called several times just to check in on Bheka, so I'll just wait for now until they call. Well, I need to take the pups up there to get checkups and vaccinations this week, so I'll probably ask again then, but no point in calling and bothering them.

cassiek
May 16th, 2010, 09:34 PM
Best of luck, MBIE. I hope you are able to get some results back from the tests that will be conclusive and can help you move forward. Keep us posted.