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Loves BEING outside, hates GOING outside...

dannyg1001
March 11th, 2010, 04:50 PM
So heres the latest with Casey (6 month old Papillon/Yorkie cross, had her for 6 weeks in case you didnt read my previous posts!).....

She really is a great dog, friendly, playful, trainable and almost housetrained. Its been an absolute pleasure having her so far!

She has a funny little 'problem' just wondering if anyone has seen this before?

When I take her for walks she loves it! Loves sniffing around and always gets excited to meet new people and explore... but getting her to actually go outside is a different story!

As soon as she see's me get the lead,or even put my coat on, she runs into her crate... or onto her blanket on the couch. Otherwise, a really obidient dog, she will NOT come if i call her. If i go and try and pick her up off the couch or out of her crate she just goes all floppy and just wants to cuddle, rolling over on her back or burying her head in my hands. You literally have to physically force her out of the crate or off the couch so you can put her lead on. She doesnt struggle, cry or anything, she just makes it as difficult as possible ha ha!

Once she is out the door in the hallway she is perfectly fine and happily walks outside????

Its not a major issue, but it bugs me a bit because I would like her to learn to let me know when she needs to go outside to do her business!

Whats going through her head here? I cant understand it...

hazelrunpack
March 11th, 2010, 04:54 PM
She sounds like our Macie. :o Definitely knows her own mind, but we haven't got a clue sometimes! :laughing:

Hmmmm... Do you know anything about her history before you got her?

Frenchy
March 11th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Hmmmm... Do you know anything about her history before you got her?

that might have something to do with it ...

some of my dogs were afraid of walking out the door way , in or out. I used treats and coaxing , positive praise when they did. One is still afraid sometimes , I have to "scrunch" down and she will come back in. :shrug:

Tundra_Queen
March 11th, 2010, 05:38 PM
She might have gotten hurt in a door. When I got Mindy she was nervous about going out thru the front door and the porch door, but she is getting better. I just figured she wasn't use to that kind of door, but a patio door.

dannyg1001
March 11th, 2010, 05:40 PM
She was an unwanted pet store dog... my GF was buying some food for her cockatiel and got talking to a girl who worked there who she vaguely knew. Casey was due to go back to the 'breeder' (yeah right) in 2 days time and to cut a long story short she ended up getting her for next to nothing thanks to her friend so she can have a proper home. I had been trying to adopt a dog for a while with no luck, i was not initially too happy she came from a pet store but as soon as you see the puppy.... well, you know how it goes.

She was just over 4 months when i got her. So skinny and shy, and completely untrained. The thing that broke my heart the most was she had absolutely NO IDEA how to play. I'd try everything and she would sit there looking at me with her head cocked to the side.

6 weeks of lots of care and attention later and here i am, shes a wonderful dog but yeah, no clue why she does that!

Another weird thing is... its like she is in reverse... You would expect your dog to get all hyper and playful when you come home and then get quiet and lazier when you have tired them out...

...not Casey

When I get home she will come and jump on the couch next to me and just want to be petted and even have a nap. After an hour or so I figure she must be dying for a pee so I take her outside... after that she is like a tornado running around everywhere.... just wanting to play play play!

Fetch is her game, and she literally will play for hours!

Anyway, hope that info helps.... (sorry i know i ramble on and on... im a proud 'parent' ha ha)

Frenchy
March 11th, 2010, 05:43 PM
Lack of socialization is what it is , before she got to your home I mean. But I can see she's on the right path :thumbs up

dannyg1001
March 11th, 2010, 05:47 PM
Also, I dont think its the door because if she hears someone or another dog outside the door she will run to it, and if im paying for a pizza or something she will run out and greet the delivery guy.

dannyg1001
March 11th, 2010, 05:51 PM
Lack of socialization is what it is , before she got to your home I mean. But I can see she's on the right path :thumbs up

Definitely lack of socialisation. She has made unbelievable strides since she came to live with me... I remember once talking to the missus saying to her "she's a lovely dog, but so calm and not very playful for a puppy"

Yeah right... sometimes I wish she was more calm and less playful these days!!!! (well not really... but you know what i mean!)

Well hopefully you are right and she will keep on learning as she has been and will be getting all excited when she sees me grab the lead!

Marcha
March 11th, 2010, 07:07 PM
So she's happy to go out the door without a leash, but the idea of going out when she's cued by the leash is too much for her?

Could it be she's got memories of not knowing where she's going when she sees a leash? As in, if she's been hauled around as a pup, Lord knows what she's been through and under which circumstances...

Perhaps you can see if it's clipping on the leash that's setting off the fear response? And if so, perhaps use a few indoor training sessions to get her to be more comfortable with the leash? For instance, put the leash on the floor, with a treat on top of the clip. See how she responds. Once she's okay with that, make the click sound with the clip, and give her a treat. Once she's okay with that, clip the leash onto her collar, give her a treat, and unclip it. Etc... the point being that she's not associating the leash with 'going somewhere unknown', or 'facing a scary event'. That said, this would only be useful if it is indeed triggered by the leash.

As for her not being all over the place when you come in, that could also be a level of submissive behaviour. The world is okay again, you're back, now she can relax/sleep. Do you know if she sleeps while you are out? Or is she constantly alert?

Kay9
March 12th, 2010, 01:23 AM
I think she's just being a cute little disobedient stinker with you. :lovestruck:

You may be reinforcing her disobedience when she runs away by petting and playing with her, or by coaxing her to come to you. Try training her to come to you when called with a treat, and eventually she will come when you call her. Be sure to stand your ground and simply say "come Casey" in a pleasant voice; the fewer words the better.


By the way, Buddy hates his harness, and when we go for walks (which he loves) he runs under the kitchen table to avoid getting his harness on, the little bug!.

dannyg1001
March 18th, 2010, 04:43 PM
I think she's just being a cute little disobedient stinker with you. :lovestruck:

You may be reinforcing her disobedience when she runs away by petting and playing with her, or by coaxing her to come to you. Try training her to come to you when called with a treat, and eventually she will come when you call her. Be sure to stand your ground and simply say "come Casey" in a pleasant voice; the fewer words the better.


By the way, Buddy hates his harness, and when we go for walks (which he loves) he runs under the kitchen table to avoid getting his harness on, the little bug!.

She was a little stinker today... she climbed out of her play pen... did a poo on the floor, then climbed back IN the playpen and went in her crate.

How can I be mad at her though....

Tundra_Queen
March 24th, 2010, 11:43 PM
Oh she is adorable!!

hazelrunpack
March 24th, 2010, 11:51 PM
She is a cutie! :flirt: Is she getting any better about going through the door?

dannyg1001
March 25th, 2010, 12:31 PM
Actually YES!!! :thumbs up

I started taking her ball with me, and after she does her business she gets to carry her ball home... its really funny, you can tell she feels really important walking down the street with her head held high carrying the ball for me!

Then every now again after the walk, i take her into the basement of my condo building and play fetch with her.

Now she is beginning to look forward to going out, she even waits by the door for me to put her lead on!

dannyg1001
March 25th, 2010, 12:35 PM
Now im worried about her submissiveness (im never happy am I!!!)

I didnt think it was a problem until i read something on here yesterday....

When I come home she will greet me by immediately rolling on her back, according to what I read this should be discouraged?

She also play bites me when she does this....?

Im probably just over-reacting over nothing, I just want her to get trained well and so she is happy!

DoubleRR
March 25th, 2010, 04:21 PM
When I come home, I say hello to the dogs and walk right past and ignore them for a few minutes until everyone is settled again. THEN I either call them to me for a pet, or send them out to the yard to eliminate, depending on how long I have been gone or if they have been home alone.
"Greeting" them by leaning down and petting or making any fuss at all when you get home can elicit things you do not want - such as play biting, racing around and becoming a tripping hazard, jumping up, and submissive peeing. A little roll over on their back is fine--just ignore it at first meeting, and it will disappear.

By the way she is CUTE!!!

Frenchy
March 25th, 2010, 04:28 PM
When I come home, I say hello to the dogs and walk right past and ignore them for a few minutes until everyone is settled again.

Good advice , I do the same here. You can't make a big deal of you coming and going.

She's a cutie alright ! :lovestruck:

dannyg1001
March 25th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Good advice , I do the same here. You can't make a big deal of you coming and going.

She's a cutie alright ! :lovestruck:

I work her really hard at lunch time, so she is usually napping when i get home, so i usually just open the crate and go sit on the couch and put the TV on. About a minute or so later, after she does her yawning and stretching, is when she comes and joins me and we usually sit there for about an hour or so before i take her out. Sometimes we both have a nap!

She never goes crazy to see me, just jumps up on the couch and any time i go to pet her she will either bury her head in my clothes and/or roll over. She also likes to lick my face a LOT.

I dont know if she actually IS too submissive or not... maybe she is just being a softy. The rest of the time shes boisterous and playful... and not scared or timid of anything! Especially now we 'fixed' the leaving the house issue described above!

hazelrunpack
March 25th, 2010, 08:50 PM
She sounds like a lovely girl, dannyg. :lovestruck: We have a softer dog that likes to bury her face and roll over, too, but we've never considered it to be a problem. She just loves belly rubs. Sounds like the rest of the time, Casey is a gem. :D If you think the rolling over is getting too excessive, ignoring it will help extinguish the behavior. Or you can train her to roll over and reward her with a belly rub only when she does it on command.

dannyg1001
March 26th, 2010, 12:58 PM
She sounds like a lovely girl, dannyg. :lovestruck: We have a softer dog that likes to bury her face and roll over, too, but we've never considered it to be a problem. She just loves belly rubs. Sounds like the rest of the time, Casey is a gem. :D If you think the rolling over is getting too excessive, ignoring it will help extinguish the behavior. Or you can train her to roll over and reward her with a belly rub only when she does it on command.


Yes i think you're right... I mentioned to the girlfriend last night that her rolling over might be signs of a problem we needed to fix and she could be too submissive, she looked at me like i was an idiot.... just as Casey came sprinting from the other side of the room, straight through my legs and then howled at me! ha ha

She said... "submissive? dont think so Danny boy..."

hazelrunpack
March 26th, 2010, 09:17 PM
:laughing:

Sounds like you have some lovely ladies in your life, Danny! :D