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Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 08:07 AM
ok, this is a mini rant, what is it with people that have dogs and DO NOT WALK them???? we have a few neighbours that you never ever see with their dog on a leash.....
"oh we have a back yard" yeah....and???? whats that got to do with anything? do they not realize dogs NEED their walk? not only to relieve boredom, but to socialize, see and smell different things, enjoy time away from the other dogs, when I had Whisper/skylar , she came on the 3 walks a day with Brina and I, when I have friends over I ask if they'd like to join us on our 3 mile walk.

another excuse I love "I work and don't have time" then why do you have a dog??? its not the length of the walk, its the quality....I'm sure everyone has at least 15 minutes in their busy day to take a 15 minute break for their "loved pet(s)". you'll see me out at 5:30 am walking brina (just a mile walk in the morning) my daycare starts at 6 am so I can't be long, during the kids nap time I run her out back and put her through her commands, after supper she gets her other 2 miles...I finish daycare at 5:30, once it gets lighter out at night then her walks will be increased.

or the famous one "she/he/they don't walk well on a leash" duh...I wonder why???? *LOL*

NOTE: this posting is not directly about anyone in this forum unless you are my two neighbours in the trailercourt and if you do live there, can I walk your dogs for you?

ok, I think my rant is over ............thanks for listening...oh and yes, I have offered to take their dog(s) on walks with me but because of theirs never being out they are no longer dog friendly........

ancientgirl
February 10th, 2010, 08:20 AM
The title of this thread hits the nail on the head for the way many of us fee. I don't think anyone should have pets unless they are prepared to give them care and attention. Heck, if I had a dog, that would be a great incentive to actually get my butt off the couch and walk.:D

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 08:23 AM
*L* need to lose weight? look at your dog, if he/she is overweight then you usually do too! when I noticed brina getting heavier I realized I was too, so we increased our walks this past year. when I was first married I had a chi, a cat and a rabbit (full size) I'd walk the chi and cat around the trailer court, yes I lived in a trailer court *L* and the rabbit rode in an old army pouch on my hip and we'd stop in the field and I'd let the rabbit run around. *LOL* I was laughed at (kindly) by the neighbours

Golden Girls
February 10th, 2010, 08:36 AM
Marko's newest pod cast speaks about this and it's considered neglect. IMO if you don't have the time to walk your dogs you should not have any.

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 08:43 AM
really??? *gone to listen*

hazelrunpack
February 10th, 2010, 10:24 AM
Our dogs have almost an acre fenced and we go out together for playing and running. No formal leash-walks, though. When the winter weather allows on the weekends, they get short runs in the woods outside the fence, and they get short rides, one-on-one, with hubby or me when we go out for errands.

In summer there are no walks in the woods, though. Too many ticks out here, along with skunks and porcupines, all of which can be health hazards :shrug: Although summers are probably more boring for them that way, they have more toys to play with in summer, and we step up the training sessions, which keeps them focussed and moving.

None of our dogs are overweight although by-and-large, they are 'self-exercising'.

I don't think they're being neglected, despite the lack of leash walks. They seem happy enough. And lord knows they enjoy their play sessions. Couldn't open the pod-cast, though, so I don't know what criteria for neglect are being used. :shrug:

14+kitties
February 10th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Guess I better turn my 13 year old lab and 16 year old toy poodle in for neglect then. :o If I tried taking Keesha for a walk she would look at me like I was crazy. She always preferred to be carried rather than getting her tender tootsies dirty. :rolleyes: Sammy has 19 acres she can wander. She also gets lots of exercise when we go out to feed the kitties. She runs around the perimeter of the fence a few times (when she has the energy) and usually goes for a run down the open field for about half an acre or so.
Yes, I totally agree when they are in an area where they can't go for a run or are restricted by a smaller yard walks are terrific. Chico loves to take Bailey for walks regularily. In her situation I would too. I have tons of space where Sammy can run and I can still watch her. I don't think that makes me a horrible doggy mom. :shrug:

ancientgirl
February 10th, 2010, 11:04 AM
Hazel, 14+, you guys said it though, you have lots of land. If I had a yard, I'd still take a dog for a walk, because yards aren't that big, unless you have some major land. I find it different in that situation. When dog gets really going and running, I can't imagine running around in a yard is fun, as opposed to either going for a walk, or being allowed to run in a field or something.:shrug:

Kay9
February 10th, 2010, 11:45 AM
In the last few years, Buddy doesn't get his walk in the winter months because his mom (me) finds it too cold. We go for car rides, play/run in the house, have playdates indoors with his doggy friend Monty, and go to Pet Smart for fun. I feel guilty, but I can't tolerate the cold. :shrug:

When the weather warms up, however, we walk everyday.

I find that walking your dog is so much fun for the dog and a bonding experience for both of you.

Love4himies
February 10th, 2010, 12:09 PM
I feel so sorry for those dogs, melinda :(. To me it is part of the overall health of a dog to be stimulated and exercised. I only wish I had a dog that I could walk and/or run with. :( It would make them perfect.

I also feel this way about cats too. I do feel strongly that cats should be taken outside, either fenced in or harness (definitely supervised) so they too can enjoy the outside.

Chris21711
February 10th, 2010, 12:37 PM
Sigh............I tried, but I am just a mere mortal :(

I neglect my dogs :(

I abuse them :(

I am an ignoramus :eek:

Tomorrow I shall take the 3 of them to the OSPCA and hope they find a more caring family, not today though.....I'm too lazy.

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 12:57 PM
I have a huge yard with an open field beside me, but she so enjoys her walks, I'm lucky where as I have a bike path across the road from me where we can literally go for miles and meet all kinds of dogs and other animals (last year it was a bear, and at times we have a wolf that shadows us), it leads to all different parks and beaches(actually we could almost go the distance to brockville on it) one of which allows dogs,so in the summer if I feel really energetic we go the 6 miles to the beach, let her swim and then rest and hike back. In the winter the ski doo's flatten the snow so there is always a hard trail for me to walk on. *L* I'm laughed at because you'd never know I was female in my skidoo suit and huge boots, face wrapped in a scarf, even the coyotes, wolves and bears are too scared to approach us!!

14+kitties
February 10th, 2010, 12:58 PM
Hazel, 14+, you guys said it though, you have lots of land. If I had a yard, I'd still take a dog for a walk, because yards aren't that big, unless you have some major land. I find it different in that situation. When dog gets really going and running, I can't imagine running around in a yard is fun, as opposed to either going for a walk, or being allowed to run in a field or something.:shrug:

Regardless. There are so many different reasons why some people don't take dogs for a walk. Blanket statements being made about people being ignoramus' are very hurtful to a lot of people. What about the elderly who love their dogs to death but aren't able to go on long walks? Are they to turn their dogs into the already burdgeoning shelter system or rescue system? What about working dogs? Not all of them get out every day for a walk. If their owner is in a wheelchair how are they to do that? And please don't suggest they can hire someone to do it. A lot of these people are on very fixed incomes. But they love their dogs to death.
In my eyes there are a lot of horrendous things happening to a ton of dogs that are way more important than whether or not the dog gets out for a long tiring walk every day. Puppy mills, bybs, over breeding, abuse, being tied up 24/7 to a dog house, beastiality........ Those are the issues we should be concentrating on.
I admire the people who do take their dogs for long walks every day come hell or high water. Good on them. Just don't expect me to be able to join. I have some medical issues that will not allow it.

Sigh............I tried, but I am just a mere mortal :(

I neglect my dogs :(

I abuse them :(

I am an ignoramus :eek:

Tomorrow I shall take the 3 of them to the OSPCA and hope they find a more caring family, not today though.....I'm too lazy.


Aww hon, what time are you going to be there? I'll join you with my two. :(

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 12:59 PM
I feel so sorry for those dogs, melinda :(. To me it is part of the overall health of a dog to be stimulated and exercised. I only wish I had a dog that I could walk and/or run with. :( It would make them perfect.

I also feel this way about cats too. I do feel strongly that cats should be taken outside, either fenced in or harness (definitely supervised) so they too can enjoy the outside.

you're welcome to come to Cornwall and take Brina walking any time you feel like it!!! *L* this past fall I had Kandy from Wyomming and GG from Que. take her walking while I got the bbq ready *L* a change for Brina from the family taking her

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 01:03 PM
this post wasn't made to make people fight....it was a little rant of mine, my neighbours whom I talked about are elderly, one goes walking daily (never with her dog because it doesn't like other dogs) and the other just doesn't like walking, so his dog just stays in the yard all day and goes in at night...always alone.

Chris21711
February 10th, 2010, 01:05 PM
Aww hon, what time are you going to be there? I'll join you with my two. :(

When I've finished watching the Soaps on TV :laughing:

14+kitties
February 10th, 2010, 01:08 PM
When I've finished watching the Soaps on TV :laughing:

Ok, I will be home from work and should have the kitties fed by then. I should just about have enough time to get them there and get back in time to start dinner for the family and do my housework. :laughing::laughing:

Chris21711
February 10th, 2010, 01:10 PM
Ok, I will be home from work and should have the kitties fed by then. I should just about have enough time to get them there and get back in time to start dinner for the family and do my housework. :laughing::laughing:

Jeez you're fast :laughing:

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 01:10 PM
why the rude sarcasim??? I mean if you don't agree with this thread, why not just say your piece and leave it like that? I'm afraid I don't understand what you're trying to do??

Chris21711
February 10th, 2010, 01:18 PM
this post wasn't made to make people fight...

I'm not fighting Melinda :)

it was a little rant of mine

I took it as an opinion rather than a rant :)

my neighbours whom I talked about are elderly, one goes walking daily (never with her dog because it doesn't like other dogs) and the other just doesn't like walking, so his dog just stays in the yard all day and goes in at night...always alone.

As 14k said you made a BLANKET statement...thereby including ME...That I choose not to take the dogs for a walk on the end of a leash is my prerogative. Personally I think, if they were given the choice they much prefer that I open the back gate and use the 200 acres available with me in tow :)

Chris21711
February 10th, 2010, 01:22 PM
No rude sarcasm Melinda, 14k and I just joking that's all. We both know where/how each of us live.....BUT, to be called an abuser, neglectful and an ignoramus because I don't walk the dogs on a leash, is a tad harsh in my opinion.

14+kitties
February 10th, 2010, 01:24 PM
No rude sarcasm Melinda, 14k and I just joking that's all. We both know where/how each of us live.....BUT, to be called an abuser, neglectful and an ignoramus because I don't walk the dogs on a leash, is a tad harsh in my opinion.

Thanks Chris. My thoughts as well. I have to go. Brownie needs to go back to the vet again. :(

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 01:28 PM
No rude sarcasm Melinda, 14k and I just joking that's all. We both know where/how each of us live.....BUT, to be called an abuser, neglectful and an ignoramus because I don't walk the dogs on a leash, is a tad harsh in my opinion.

where did I say it was abuse?? That was on Marko's pod cast, so shouldn't that be where you and 14k be funny?? I understand joking between friends, I do it myself, but I honestly felt that was directed to me, if not then I apologize and I'll blame it on my hot flashes and mood swings :D

Chris21711
February 10th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Melinda, I never said that YOU said this, that or the other. Throughout this thread these words have come up by all who have participated thus far.....In the same way that everybody put in their two cents, I did the same, nothing more.

:grouphug:'s to ya' if you are going through the big "M" - it sucks big time :)

14+kitties
February 10th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Marko's newest pod cast speaks about this and it's considered neglect. IMO if you don't have the time to walk your dogs you should not have any.

Good rant, I'll join in.

You're right, it is animal abuse and those ignoramus should not have the privilege of being dog owners.

Not directed at anyone in particular but the words were used in this thread. If the words are used then I guess we, the unwalkers, are the ones who are feeling like it is directed at us. Just proof - words hurt. Now I am done.

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 01:44 PM
words not used by me is what I'm trying to say....and you know what, it might have started out being my rant/thread, but I'm also done. period, but thanks for all the input, lesson learned. point taken.

buddingartist
February 10th, 2010, 02:09 PM
Hey gang, I may have used the wrong words in expressing my frustration with my neighbours.

I did not by any means wanted to convey that if you don't walk your dogs you abuse them. Anybody who is as active and knowledgeable like the gang on this board is definitely not what I consider abuser of animals. Many of you have been such a trememdous support and help when I reached out to you when my little guy was diagnosed with diabetes.

I truly apologize if I have offended anyone and I am so sorry.

Am I forgiven?:(

Golden Girls
February 10th, 2010, 02:53 PM
For what it's worth my reply in THIS thread was toward Melinda's neighbour's whom I've had the displeasure of meeting. To some all dogs need is crappy food and a little corner to go and die so NO they shouldn't have any dogs.

For the ones who haven't been able to hear the pod cast - it was said that we may unintentionally be neglecting our pets needs. Walking for one provides not only exercise but stimulation, socialization as well as an emotional need; interacting with other people old young black white, other dogs, cats, horses birds - there's a whole world out there they should be seeing. People get dogs and what their forced to live within their owners 4 walls yay!?!

IMO it's a very powerful podcast - harsh to hear for sure but dogs are NOT fish and apparently people need to be reminded of that - a perfect example is the ones' Melinda was talking about.

Sorry Shelley it was I who began the threadjack :shrug: by mentioning Marko's podcast.

mummummum
February 10th, 2010, 02:54 PM
Come on folks we can do better than this:grouphug:

Melinda, it's a GOOD rant. Haven't listened to the podcast. I don't need to. I KNOW these people, heck we all have neighbours like this.

The point is not whether you walk on lead or indulge in off-lead play, carry your kermutskie (that made me laugh : a friend has a Lab A LAB for dawg's sake, who won't go outside if it's raining...:laughing:) or let the boogerheads run themselves silly ~ the point is all of ...and here is the magic word... interact with our animals. And I can say without hesitation that not one of you takes your dog to the yard, chains it for the day and leaves it, then puts it in the basement at night ~ and I'll bet THAT's the kind of neglect and yes, abuse referred to in this rant and on the podcast.

I think we are all singing from the same hymnbook. All animals need love and attention. We each have different ways of getting it to them is all. Let's not get our collective knickers in a knot over language.
:grouphug:

Winston
February 10th, 2010, 03:12 PM
never mind...not worth the argument...

Golden Girls
February 10th, 2010, 03:27 PM
Removed my comment as well, most definately not worth it!

Winston
February 10th, 2010, 03:29 PM
I removed it...sorry GG

Just my opinion though???

Melinda
February 10th, 2010, 03:36 PM
no worries GG, it wasn't a threadjack in my opinion.

Love4himies
February 10th, 2010, 05:07 PM
I think there is a big difference between those who live in the country and have their dogs accompany them while household chores are being done and just putting the dogs in a tiny fenced backyard and leaving them there.

There is also a big difference between the amount of walking a tiny dog needs vs a medium to large dog.

If you are elderly and can't walk far (and I personally think exercise is important at ALL ages), then don't get a border collie or bull mastiff, get a small breed that isn't hyperactive.

If you live in the country and the dog is allowed free to run the yard while the humans are outside, that is stimulation and exercise.

I think Melinda's point was not to get a dog who requires stimulation and not give it.

Golden Girls
February 11th, 2010, 07:11 AM
I removed it...sorry GG Just my opinion though???That's ok Winston, your intentions were good. Of course you are entitled to your opinion :)

Bailey_
February 11th, 2010, 09:12 AM
There is also a big difference between the amount of walking a tiny dog needs vs a medium to large dog.
If you are elderly and can't walk far (and I personally think exercise is important at ALL ages), then don't get a border collie or bull mastiff, get a small breed that isn't hyperactive.



Huge misconception. Small breeds *ARE* hyperactive, and most require just as much or more excercise than some of our large breeds. We need to remember when picking a dog for energy level - size does not mean that it will be a less hyper or active dog. Look at the breed, and then look at the individual personality of the dog.

Melinda
February 11th, 2010, 09:30 AM
on a side note Baily, what is the best dog for terms of "less energy" that would be good for a senior??

I'm really kind of sorry I shared this rant, didn't realize how many nerves I'd hit with it and it wasn't my intention, figured I'd make myself feel better by ranting with like minded people.:sorry:

Love4himies
February 11th, 2010, 09:51 AM
Huge misconception. Small breeds *ARE* hyperactive, and most require just as much or more excercise than some of our large breeds. We need to remember when picking a dog for energy level - size does not mean that it will be a less hyper or active dog. Look at the breed, and then look at the individual personality of the dog.

I realize this, but a tiny dog, can run around a house/apt quite a bit during the day to get exercise (thinking of an elderly person who doesn't get outside too much but still wants a companion), where as a bull mastiff can't really run around an apartment. two or three steps and it would be at a wall, lol.

My comment was a general comment.

Bailey_
February 11th, 2010, 10:29 AM
on a side note Baily, what is the best dog for terms of "less energy" that would be good for a senior??

I'm really kind of sorry I shared this rant, didn't realize how many nerves I'd hit with it and it wasn't my intention, figured I'd make myself feel better by ranting with like minded people.:sorry:

Awwh, don't be sorry about it Melinda. It's good to ask questions and share your opinions - even if others don't agree - it helps give us all a better perspective of varying sides of issues.

To be honest, when someone asks me what breed would be good for their specific situation, I ALWAYS tell them to look at the individual dog rather than focus on finding a certain breed. Remember that the age of the dog and past history & training will come into play when looking for a dog that might be suitable for an elderly couple.

With that said, some of the more quiet breeds like pugs - might come with a slew of health issues that a senior wouldn't be ready to deal with. Is the senior experienced with raising dogs in the past or not?

I personally would suggest thinking of cocker spaniels, bichon frise, papillions, or poodles - all of which would probably make a great pet for a senior. Again, this all depends on the temperment and individual exercise needs for the specific dog. A senior can hire a dog walker, which I would encourage.

shibamom
February 11th, 2010, 10:49 AM
Our Shiba Inu is small (30lbs) but has a very high exercise/mental stimulation need, like all primitive breeds with high prey drive.

We live in a condo with no yard.

So, he goes for a 5 minute potty at 8am, a 1 hour long (5k) walk at around 11am, and even the dog park again for another hour, plus more short potty walks throughout the day and a final "lap" at night. On days when I have to work, I still come home on my break for one hour and walk him (in addition to a 5am walk and an 8pm walk).

It's a LOT, I admit :eek: which is why it is so important to know your breed. Of course, if we had let him just lazy around the house all day, I don't think he could sustain this activity, but he is a very active strong boy.

Melinda
February 11th, 2010, 10:57 AM
thanks Bailey

Bailey_
February 11th, 2010, 11:35 AM
Our Shiba Inu is small (30lbs) but has a very high exercise/mental stimulation need, like all primitive breeds with high prey drive.

We live in a condo with no yard.

So, he goes for a 5 minute potty at 8am, a 1 hour long (5k) walk at around 11am, and even the dog park again for another hour, plus more short potty walks throughout the day and a final "lap" at night. On days when I have to work, I still come home on my break for one hour and walk him (in addition to a 5am walk and an 8pm walk).

It's a LOT, I admit :eek: which is why it is so important to know your breed. Of course, if we had let him just lazy around the house all day, I don't think he could sustain this activity, but he is a very active strong boy.

Thanks for sharing Shibamom. Exactly - a prime example showing that small breeds can still need a lot of excercise, and that just because they're 'small' doesn't neccessarily mean that they'll do better than a large breed in certain living spaces.

Your welcome Mel!! I'm also curious if you've thought about possibly helping these people with their dogs as far as slowly helping the dogs learn to socialize again? I'm not sure if you have time, or even the desire to do so, but maybe if they could get to a point where they are able to walk past another dog - it'd be a more enjoyable experience for the woman to take them out on walks with her?

shibamom
February 11th, 2010, 12:15 PM
Thanks for sharing Shibamom. Exactly - a prime example showing that small breeds can still need a lot of excercise, and that just because they're 'small' doesn't neccessarily mean that they'll do better than a large breed in certain living spaces.


Yes, breed awareness is SO important. I couldn't expect the average person to do what we do as we are a very, very active couple (I am 6 months pregnant and still hike or run with Simba at least two hours a day, and he likes to play in the gym with me while I do my weight lifting) .

Exposure to mental stimulation and exercise really is a must. What that stimulation/exercise is, I don't know, as I am only familiar with the specific needs of Shiba Inus. However, I think exercise and stimulation (new experiences, smells) is important to all breeds.

shibamom
February 11th, 2010, 12:17 PM
I also think there is a big difference between those who cannot devote a lot of time to exercise and those who are just lazy. I know plenty of able-bodied people (my neighbour) who can't be bothered to take her 2 dogs past the grass at the front of the condo, yet I'm 6 months, almost 7 months pregnant, and can still walk Simba or do trails with him??? We also have a neighbour who is unable to exercise his dog due to her disabilities, but hires a dog walker or asks us to take him along. Big difference.

BenMax
February 11th, 2010, 03:14 PM
This is an interesting read...I am not sure how i feel about it really.

Firstly, to each is own. If the dog is loved, groomed, feed well and has a warm place to stay - then who cares if someone opens their back door to let them out?

For those that are rescueing dogs from shelters and kill pounds, one would think that a back yard to romp in is better than the dog finding themselves in a gas chamber, on the euthanasia table and then freezer.

I walk my dogs in the morning and twice at night...but I have to admit, that I wish I had a back yard to let them do their 'thing' in the morning so that I could get to work quicker...and maybe sleep in a little longer. Selfish? Maybe but heck I would love to have this luxuary.

So many people live their lives for and sometimes around their animals. It is sad that people are judged so harshly or picked apart if they have a backyard and put their animals out to exercise there. Everyone's circumstances are different. Everything should be taken into account before judging. Just my :2cents:.

Bailey_
February 11th, 2010, 03:40 PM
I agree with you BenMax to a certain extent. While I'm certainly not saying that 'death' is a better option for an understimulated and underexcercised animal, in my line of work I see way too many animals that are so unbalanced and deprived because people don't take into account that stimulation, play, and excercise are VERY important things when taking on a dog.

I have a heart, and I feel for people that want a companion who may not have a lot of time for outdoor excercise or money to pay someone to do it for them. But I also am a firm believer that this situation is EXACTLY the reason that so many dogs *are* eventually euthanized and wind up in shelters.

Many behavioral problems can be fixed through proper stimulation and training, but it takes effort on part of the owner. And if someone brings an animal into their life without taking that into considertion, IMO they're doing more harm than good - regardless of how loved the animal would be inside the home. I've seen many "loved" animals that were part of the family one minute - abandoned the next.

People need to realize before getting a pet that there is more to owning a dog than just feeding it, watering it, and giving it shelter.

Golden Girls
February 11th, 2010, 03:54 PM
Bailey "People need to realize before getting a pet that there is more to owning a dog than just feeding it, watering it, and giving it shelter" I couldn't agree more.
Thanks for sharing Shibamom. Exactly - a prime example showing that small breeds can still need a lot of excercise, and that just because they're 'small' doesn't neccessarily mean that they'll do better than a large breed in certain living spacesIt's said Chin's exercise needs are minimal and their perfect for small living spaces like condo's - this is so not true unless it's because he's still a puppy. He's a duracell battery and never sits still in the house. When walking he's so alert to any noise and will growl at the wind, constant either pulling ahead or pulls back to leg lift, tries to catch snowflakes - soo easily bored. In unleashed areas if I didn't bring his squeeky toy I would not be able to catch him no matter how long he's been running.

He's a lively happy dog and extremely devoted as well as an excellent watch dog, all true but I've read their good with other pets just not ok with children that's not true. Maybe if one didn't socialize them from a young age he wouldn't tollerate children :shrug: that though could be said about all dogs.

Their an extremely confident breed and needs a strong leader and were bred strictly to serve as a companion and that he is, affectionate - he lives and breathes for attention and must be the center of it.

This is a general description of a Chin IMO he would not thrive living with an elderly in a condo but as said they each come with their own character which makes just another good reason to adopt; they usually will come with a manual :D

BenMax
February 11th, 2010, 04:06 PM
People need to realize before getting a pet that there is more to owning a dog than just feeding it, watering it, and giving it shelter.

Bailey - I like you and agree with you most times, but for pete's sake, I know this quote only too well.

It is not a perfect world. If there were organizations that only adopted out to people who sign a contract stating that they will always walk there dogs then I highly doubt that many animals would be adopted. And lets not forget, many rescues, breeders and HS will not adopt out dogs if there is no fenced back yard. So really - there is a catch 22 now isn't there.

I don't live in a perfect world. Heck - I am not perfect. My fosters and my dogs would love to play together, off leash, in a yard, all together. I think that they would benefit from this luxuary.

Bailey_
February 11th, 2010, 04:24 PM
BenMax, I'm not saying that dogs shouldn't be allowed to run around in a yard as a form of excercise. I do it with my own dogs, and I'm grateful to have this for them.

My stand is against people that seem to think they can give a dog everything it needs, without thinking of how much time they can allot for excercise & play.

Excercise for a dog, in whatever form it may come, is imperative.

If a person has no yard, they should feel they have no choice but to make TIME for their dog. I don't believe in excuses. I think someone in this thread previously commented about what should a person do if they have a dog but are in a wheelchair and perhaps this person has no money to hire a dog walker? Fine. Ask a friend, or a trusted neighborhood young person to do it for you. I can think of a great example in BabyMomma who walks some of the dogs in her own area because they wouldn't get that stimulation and excercise otherwise.

If your dog is not getting the proper amount of excercise and it's showing in their behavior - the owner is doing something wrong. Period - and YES - this is neglecting an animals trivial need for stimulation & socialization, which IMO is just as bad as neglect in other ways.

If we don't start telling people how important it is, this society will continue to believe that it is not a big deal. And that is why we see so many dogs continuing to fall victim to shelters - or bounced from home to home.

BenMax
February 11th, 2010, 04:30 PM
Oh boy - yeah - have a dog like my min pin and GSD...ask someone to 'walk into my home' and even try to touch the dogs....guess who is getting sued!

I understand your whole philosophy around exercise, stimulation, blah blah, you are 100% right. BUT - I know people that do not put a leash on their dogs and walk that have very balanced and happy packs. So one cannot say that ALL dogs should be walked on leash as this is not a standard 'must have'. Again - it would depend absolutely on the 'temperment' of your dog.

I am appauled about using ridiculous terms like 'should not own a dog' or 'ignoramous' or anything else of the sorts. It is a blanket statement that is just down right silly.

bendyfoot
February 11th, 2010, 05:18 PM
I don't think anybody here is trying to say "ALL DOGS MUST BE WALKED ON LEASH". Similarly, no one is saying "NO DOGS HAVE TO BE EXERCISED REGULARLY".

In fact, in reading this whole thread, everyone is saying some variation of the same theme:

"Dogs enjoy and benefit from regular, stimulating activity/exercise."

There's just disagreement about how that can be accomplished. Everyone here has different ways of doing it depending on their dog's personalities, their own schedules/time availability, access to off-leash or fenced areas. But EVERYONE is saying, "yeah, I provide exercise for my dog".

Why is this thread 2 pages long? :confused:

Sheri H
February 11th, 2010, 05:38 PM
I'll admit that I don't take my dogs on long walks every day, but they get to run around our backyard, a park or dog park and play with each other and their other doggy friends. I find that they are much happier when they can run and play freely instead of having to trudge along beside me so that's what they get.

t.pettet
February 11th, 2010, 05:53 PM
Generalizing that 'all small breeds are hyperactive' is false. Its like saying all labs love water activities.

Frenchy
February 11th, 2010, 06:13 PM
one would think that a back yard to romp in is better than the dog finding themselves in a gas chamber, on the euthanasia table and then freezer.



ditto BM :)

Generalizing that 'all small breeds are hyperactive' is false. Its like saying all labs love water activities.

also ditto , I know many of them who are low energy. not the case with my Pom though , but a dog his size , he would be ok with the exercise he gets inside :crazy:

another example , my great dane Nelly. They say the most great danes are low energy but not her :shrug:

Equla
February 11th, 2010, 10:44 PM
My two don't get regular walks. The reason? Both are dog-selective and generally only like each other. Miko doesn't need as much leash time because we have a rather large house that he runs around in and he is small. Mansa is a pitty and if there were to be a fight, it would most definitely be blamed on him. We have numerous dogs in our neighborhood and it's not worth the risk of losing him over a dog fight to take him out... at any hour. At 75 pounds, he would pull me right off my feet if he decided he didn't like one of the dogs he saw.

On the other side of the coin, both get a LOT of exercise in the yard and in the house. Both ARE leash-trained (use it every time they go to the vet or the groomer) and actually follow at my heals at all times anyway.

For more strenuous exercise, we go to the lake and swim once a week during warm weather... March-October. We also hike once a week.

I understand that it may seem like certain dogs are never exercised because they are not out while you are out, but that may not be the case. Maybe they are walked at 2am. That's not uncommon here in Vegas. Or maybe it's a similar situation to mine and they are exercised in ways that are safe for them and other dogs.

I always say, don't judge until you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes.

14+kitties
February 12th, 2010, 06:32 AM
Y'know, I know that type of owner too. The ones who tie their dogs to a doghouse or the back door and the dogs can't go too far. I would hesitate to say that going for walkies is the least of that dog's problems.

Golden Girls
February 12th, 2010, 08:31 AM
I agree with you BenMax to a certain extent. While I'm certainly not saying that 'death' is a better option for an understimulated and underexcercised animal, in my line of work I see way too many animals that are so unbalanced and deprived because people don't take into account that stimulation, play, and excercise are VERY important things when taking on a dogA perfect example of what your saying here. I took in a Boxer that was brought in to be euthanized because she had health issues; worms, coccidia and had *vet confirmed* a mild case of demodex. Trust me she has never been outside the home, nor ever walked on a leash. The owner said she cries all the time and is just a very bad dog and wants her gone :frustrated: Found out she was purchased as a bargain for $300 over the internet :yell:

When I picked her up there was a new tiny long haired Danshound which just didn't surprise me. They did not even say goodbye :( At this moment of her life a leashed walk isn't a priority but I can assure you we will find a home that will not only walk her, but socialize & stimulate her properly to help her become all that she could be! She's with me now and having alot of fun but she will go to one of our foster homes who has experience and proper time later today as I will not compromise my own dogs needs which is my priority!

These are the type of owners Melinda was speaking of sheer ignoramuses ...

Chris21711
February 12th, 2010, 10:37 AM
Why is this thread 2 pages long? :confused:

Why, you ask Bendy...because some people have just got to be RIGHT :)

Melinda
February 12th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Why, you ask Bendy...because some people have just got to be RIGHT :)

exactly:goodvibes:

tenderfoot
February 28th, 2010, 02:19 PM
Getting in on this way late - sorry.

Common sense needs to prevail here. If the 'neglect = abuse' podcast doesn't apply then don't take it so personally.

Yes, many people get dogs and toss them in the back yard and ignore them. I seriously doubt that anyone who spends much of their time on this site writing about dogs is ignoring their own. You care and that's why you are here.

You know the kind of caretakers you are, and when I am trying to reach out to the world about 'neglect = abuse' I have to spread a large blanket and hope those who know they don't belong under it will quickly crawl out.

mona_b
February 28th, 2010, 04:14 PM
*L* need to lose weight? look at your dog, if he/she is overweight then you usually do too!

Sorry, but I'm not impressed by this comment. Cracks like this are uncalled for. MY :2cents::2cents:

Firstly, to each is own. If the dog is loved, groomed, feed well and has a warm place to stay - then who cares if someone opens their back door to let them out?

exactly.:thumbs up

There are times where I am way to tired, or I'm not feeling well(I get migraines) these are the times where I don't take my dog for a walk. He's content with going in the back, doing his thing and coming back in to be with me. When I had my surgery, I was NOT allowed to take him for a walk. And this is a well trained dog. He did get walked the first 2 weeks as my daughter came to take care of me. After she left, the only place Tron was able to go was the back. And no I don't just let anyone take my dog.

Huge misconception. Small breeds *ARE* hyperactive, and most require just as much or more excercise than some of our large breeds. We need to remember when picking a dog for energy level - size does not mean that it will be a less hyper or active dog. Look at the breed, and then look at the individual personality of the dog.

Sorry but I disagree. My mom has a Shih Tzu(4 years old) and she just inherited another(pup). Tiny is far from hyperactive. She is very calm. And Shadow the pup is the same way. My mom is 72 and has some health issues. One being cancer. She is on an acre. She doesn't go for walks, BUT they have room to exercise. And you know what, all Tiny wants is to be close to my mom, and Tiny is a very well trained dog. And Shadow will not be any different.

Golden Girls
February 28th, 2010, 04:40 PM
Getting in on this way late - sorry.

Common sense needs to prevail here. If the 'neglect = abuse' podcast doesn't apply then don't take it so personally.

Yes, many people get dogs and toss them in the back yard and ignore them. I seriously doubt that anyone who spends much of their time on this site writing about dogs is ignoring their own. You care and that's why you are here.

You know the kind of caretakers you are, and when I am trying to reach out to the world about 'neglect = abuse' I have to spread a large blanket and hope those who know they don't belong under it will quickly crawl out.Well said, thank you.

Melinda
February 28th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Sorry, but I'm not impressed by this comment. Cracks like this are uncalled for. MY :2cents::2cents:.

sorry, I'll let my heart dr know your displeasure *L* he's the one that told me that little diddy....I laughed and told him "ok ok, I get the hint"

Melinda
February 28th, 2010, 05:48 PM
*L* this thread is cracking me up, I was reading it to hubs and he cannot believe all the silliness*LOL*

Vinss
February 28th, 2010, 10:07 PM
As a pet shop clerk I have much to rant about. Everyday I've got people walking into the fish department, buying fish althoug strongly advised against it because they don't have the ideal tank size for their fish to live happily. Many just walk straight to the cash and leave without a water heater although I've insisted on how primordial warm water is for tropical fish. I have tens of clients that come in for turtles and walk out as soon as they here you have to take care of it and buy it filter, water heater, large aquarium, turtle dock, etc. instead of letting it sit in a puddle of water like they thought.

I had a client come buy a betta fish tank for her goldfish (way too small for a comet fish) because at home it was in a coffe pot; and she also noted that she wanted a tank not because they coffe pot was small, but because it wasn't nice-looking in the living room.

The number of clients that buy the animal and say that they'll come back for a tank or a missing requirement is uncountable; it's ridiculous, would you buy furniture and stuff before buying a home or a space to put them? Of course not! People work bacwards and their pets will suffer for their stupidity.

Golden Girls
March 1st, 2010, 08:17 AM
sorry, I'll let my heart dr know your displeasure *L* he's the one that told me that little diddy....I laughed and told him "ok ok, I get the hint":laughing: too funny!

Melinda
March 2nd, 2010, 08:56 AM
R.I.P. Golden girl, :sorry:I wish I would have pushed the issue harder with her, I no longer have to worry about my one neighbours dog, it was out back having its "exercise" and dropped of a heart attack, she was a good 30 pounds overweight and it was outside over 1/2 hour when the owner went to get it but it was too late. She was 8 yrs old. Now if I could just talk some sense into the other owners and get them to allow me to take their dogs when I take Brina out....maybe because of this they will let me now.

GG, this is the dog you met when we took brina next door to visit on our walks

Golden Girls
March 2nd, 2010, 09:13 AM
Are you kidding me, I'm sorry Melinda :( omg :rip: Golden Girl

Melinda
March 2nd, 2010, 09:21 AM
Brina will miss her

Golden Girls
March 2nd, 2010, 09:24 AM
You should bring the lady an artificial plant and tell her she doesn't even have to water it - hopefully she'll get it and not replace her much loved companion :rolleyes:

She probably died from the fumes of the raid she constantly sprayed all over her :censored: people should be charged with cruelty anyways ... :(

:angel2: Run free :angel2:

Golden Girls
March 2nd, 2010, 09:40 AM
*L* this thread is cracking me up, I was reading it to hubs and he cannot believe all the silliness*LOL*Yep the laugher continues, go read the "chat room" comments err I mean the TJT :rolleyes:

It appears some feel this thread should be :shrug: closed?

Melinda
March 2nd, 2010, 09:49 AM
well as far as I'm concerned, with the death of the dog....this thread has run its course, and I don't go to that thread, I really don't know any of the posters *S* my rant is over now I suppose. poor pet. live and learn, my only hope is that the other neighbours learned a valuable lesson and start walking their dogs, its never too late to start

Chris21711
March 2nd, 2010, 09:58 AM
Early on in this thread I was accused of being rude and sarcastic, to be fair I think I was more immature than anything else.

It is really sad that Melinda's neighbour's dog died, not something laughable as some of the members on here are making it out to be, if the shoe were on the other foot, I'm sure those members would not appreciate anybody laughing at their sorrow.

As far as the "chat room" comments are concerned....you are right GG, both Frenchy and myself feel that this thread should be "closed", it is getting out of hand with silliness. To top it off, to laugh at the death of a pet is just "crossing the line".

Golden Girls
March 2nd, 2010, 09:58 AM
You opened it for this very dog and in the end she died, sadly from neglect. How it got to be about everyone else is beyond me :shrug:

It's your call to close it :2huggers:

Melinda
March 2nd, 2010, 10:05 AM
Marko I'd like to respectvely ask for this thread to be closed, thank you.

Frenchy
March 2nd, 2010, 10:23 AM
sorry, I'll let my heart dr know your displeasure *L* he's the one that told me that little diddy....I laughed and told him "ok ok, I get the hint"

*L* this thread is cracking me up, I was reading it to hubs and he cannot believe all the silliness*LOL*

:laughing: too funny!

you guys think this is mature ? :confused:

Frenchy
March 2nd, 2010, 10:25 AM
it was out back having its "exercise" and dropped of a heart attack,


I'm very sorry for this dog but how do YOU know this was from a heart attack ? :confused: :rolleyes:
Yep the laugher continues, go read the "chat room" comments err I mean the TJT :rolleyes:



you got a problem with that ?? :confused:

14+kitties
March 2nd, 2010, 10:46 AM
You should bring the lady an artificial plant and tell her she doesn't even have to water it - hopefully she'll get it and not replace her much loved companion :rolleyes:

She probably died from the fumes of the raid she constantly sprayed all over her :censored: people should be charged with cruelty anyways ... :(


WOW!

Yep the laugher continues, go read the "chat room" comments err I mean the TJT :rolleyes:

It appears some feel this thread should be :shrug: closed?

Totally agree. Don't know why it was reopened when it had been put to rest.

Early on in this thread I was accused of being rude and sarcastic, to be fair I think I was more immature than anything else.

It is really sad that Melinda's neighbour's dog died, not something laughable as some of the members on here are making it out to be, if the shoe were on the other foot, I'm sure those members would not appreciate anybody laughing at their sorrow.

As far as the "chat room" comments are concerned....you are right GG, both Frenchy and myself feel that this thread should be "closed", it is getting out of hand with silliness. To top it off, to laugh at the death of a pet is just "crossing the line".

Well said Chris. We do get a little silly at times. Just as other members do when bantering with their friends. :shrug: I can't see the problem.
It is waay past time this thread was locked for good.

marko
March 2nd, 2010, 11:56 AM
Not every phrase that every member writes is directed at every other member. Some members are taking things way out of context.......and honestly quite a few threads are being wrecked because of this. Newbies are leaving along with some regulars because so many threads are bashfests for no good reason. People are allowed to use the wrong word, and if they do...it's OKAY to let it slide or NOT talk about it for 2-3 pages.

Tenderfoot's comment is bang on.

Getting in on this way late - sorry.

Common sense needs to prevail here. If the 'neglect = abuse' podcast doesn't apply then don't take it so personally.

Yes, many people get dogs and toss them in the back yard and ignore them. I seriously doubt that anyone who spends much of their time on this site writing about dogs is ignoring their own. You care and that's why you are here.

You know the kind of caretakers you are, and when I am trying to reach out to the world about 'neglect = abuse' I have to spread a large blanket and hope those who know they don't belong under it will quickly crawl out.

marko
March 2nd, 2010, 12:12 PM
Closed at the request of the OP.