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Pictures of my babies

Wolf
December 4th, 2009, 03:21 AM
okay so i wasn't going to post pics.. but can't help it! hahaha
Looks are one thing. Personality is KEY! :)
Pictures do NOTHING for these guys! :(

8 months old female:
Vega
HC
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2666

http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2669

http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2668
(one of her at 6 months)
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2672


Submissive/sucking up:
both HC
Vega/Legion
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2665

http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2671

Legion:
HC
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2681

Male: not even one:
MC
Timber

http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2667

http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2673

Tundra:
MC
(the girl who was due to be pts)
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2676

http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2677

http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2678

Lycan:
LC
Mostly Siberian Husky
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2674
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2675

Eclipse:
LC
Mostly Alaskan Malamute
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2679
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2680


Siberian husky:
Escape
http://www.pets.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=364&pictureid=2670

Wolf
December 4th, 2009, 03:22 AM
Kitty's
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs108.snc3/15569_177177998866_504858866_2948809_6332555_n.jpg

Black Mexican King

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4347/111/13/504858866/n504858866_1789272_6534252.jpg

Blue Front Amazon

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v155/111/13/504858866/n504858866_268133_327.jpg

rainbow
December 4th, 2009, 03:36 AM
Your pupper pics aren't showing up for me. :shrug:

Cute little kitties :lovestruck: and love the parrot. :cool:

Skipped over the snake though. :o

Wolf
December 4th, 2009, 03:40 AM
k tried fixing it, hope that works??

rainbow
December 4th, 2009, 03:48 AM
Yep, they show up now. :thumbs up

Your dogs are absolutely gorgeous. :cloud9: :lovestruck: :cloud9:

ancientgirl
December 4th, 2009, 09:01 AM
Beautiful babies!

Macomom
December 4th, 2009, 09:05 AM
Wow, they are so beautiful.
Can you tell us more about your dogs? I remember you mentioning that they have wolf genes. Were they difficult to train or work with?

Wolf
December 4th, 2009, 11:31 AM
Wow, they are so beautiful.
Can you tell us more about your dogs? I remember you mentioning that they have wolf genes. Were they difficult to train or work with?

My pack my rules is what i usually say. The only rules I really care about is, respect me, and i'll respect you. which they all respect me and hold me in high reguards, and move when I want you too. hahaha

For the two high contents, I never expect them to act like a dog. and to do doggy things. It takes alot of time and training to raise one of them, But ihave never had any problems with them. Yes they are extremely smart, and they challenge you daily, they are extremely hard to care for, and lots of work! You need to know exactly what you are doing, They are not pets, they wouldn't make good pets, they would destroy the house(if i wasn't watching!), but i've never found them to be hard/difficult. but thats because i was always prepared/knew what to expect. I let them be them, I don't try to change them, and in the end, they are wonderful outgoing, loving animals :)

My Mid contents:
Timber was a snap to train(for me) but his brother and their family apparently had a hard time training him to be dog like. There is dog in him, but there is still wolf. They are not dogs but wolfdogs. and you have to respect both sides. Timber is like a puppet(bad wording but its the easiest way for me to explain/only way i can think of) anything i say, he does. if i move my arms to tell him to move. he moves on a dime. His dog traits make him more willing to please, he isn't as stuborn as the other two, but he's still a bit jumpy with fast movement(although it doesn't scare him, he is just unsure)
Tundra:
was abused first 6 months of her life. and was a challenge for her family to train and get used to her surroundings.
Tundra came here a couple weeks ago, because she was going to be PTS in Toronto(alot of complaints about her, being a wolfdog, and her behaviors). 24 hours before this, a friend had emailed me about her, then i emailed her family asking if they needed help. Knowing that wolfdogs are hard to handle/care for.. and very hard to rehome. 8 months ago Tundra went into seasn aka Winter wolf syndrom/WWS, before this she was doing so well. but once WWS comes along, everything goes to hell. This is the time MOST people rehome their wolfdogs. Her family did not want to give up on her, but because she was to be PTS or to be rehomed, she had no choice. and drove her all the way out here. Its taking me alot of time, and Tundra still does not fully trust me. She's doing really well, but there are so many challenges. as I said, rehoming a wolfdog is NOT easy!

Low contents:
Well I can go deep into genetics here....actually okay i wasn't going to but it will give you an idea. With wolfdogs you usually come with a percentage, a pure wolf is 100% you breed that pure wolf to pure dog you get a 50/50 f1(first generation from pure wolf) and you breed that animal to a 100% wolf, you get a 75% wolf f1 25% dog. then it goes on and one, F1, F2, F3, F4...ect
The further the F number (further generations from wolf) the less wolf you will have. Okay by sayign that you have two 98% wolf both being f1. now most peopl would say a 98% wolf is pure! yes this is possible. But not completly. To get an f1 98% you breed a pure wolf to a 96% wolf
Because the dog genetics are more dominant then the wolf(being domesticated is my reason of belief) the F198% could in reality be 96% wolf, getting all the dog genetics. or be 100% wolf getting all the wolf genetics and no dog. It can also be 98, 97..ect no way of telling! But then again you have the 96% wolf parent. being 96 one of her parents are lower yet! lets go with a 100% wolf and a 92% wolf which would make the 96% wolf an F1. This 96% animal could have gotten all the genetics from the 92% parent. so in reality it could be 92% wolf. where as before being called a 96. or it could have gotten more wolf genetics (rare, but not possible. remember dog genetics are more domminant) So now this 96% is a 92, and what makes the origional 98% pup? it could very well be 92% (not unrealistic, but who knows)
There goes the percentages. They don't work, but they give you the idea.

you breed to 98's together you can double up on the dog genetic, two 98's= 4 dog genes from both parents making the pup a 96% f2. which on paper is written as a 98% f2. is why you can't always call them pure. breed two 98 F2 (in reality both being 96%) you now have 8 dog genetics, now being 92.. and so on doubling up. This breeds the wolf out! so a f6 98% could have a tiny amount of wolf but will end up being more dog then wolf.

My low contents lets use Lycan: F2 25% wolf 75% siberian husky, his mother: 50/50F1, It is possible one of his other siblings got more wolf. where as in my opinion basing my idea's and comparing him to another mid-high content wolfdog. The wolf has been bred out. Yes he's an F2, But still in my mind its been bred out. I see a possiblility of charteristics of wolf. But its mostly dog in my opinion. Eclipse is an F3. having more wolf written on paper then Lycan. She is even further from wolf, which makes it harder to see the wolf.

When it comes down to it. Those two are dogs. Yes there are low contents that get wolf genes, and you do notice some. But the guys i have are dogs. So you can raise them, train them like dogs.

So with lycans mother: being a 50/50 bred to a 100% siberian husky. Lycan can very possibly be a 50% wolf or a 100% dog. My opinion is more leaning towards the 100% dog.

Lmao okay i'm rambling. But I love talking about them, and most people don't know alot about them.

They are all well mannered, out going, sweet, submissive animals. They all have wonderful personalities. BUT i don't recommend them to just anyone! you need to know what you're getting into! and be prepared for anything and everything.

This percentage thing is why when someone says i have a 98% wolf where it looks like 98% dog! isnt' always far from the truth. there is a breeder that i know who has f8's 98% wolf(written on paper) they look like dogs and act like dogs. because the wolf was bred out. So the people saying 98% wolf aren't completely wrong. because thats what it says on paper. But that doesn't make them right! they just dont know any better ;)

anyways i'm rambling. lol :sorry:

:pawprint:

ancientgirl
December 4th, 2009, 11:45 AM
Wolf, that kind of sounds like when you have a Serval cat. I remember seeing something on Animal planet about the different degrees of wildness, or something like that.

I think wolves are such beautiful animals, but agree people need to be aware that these guys are not pets. You are doing great in helping the ones you have. I know there is a lot of need to rescue them when you do see people trying to bring them into their homes only to realize they aren't like the average dog.

Dog Dancer
December 4th, 2009, 11:47 AM
Well all the stats aside, each and every one is just gorgeous. I always think it's funny because my Akita / Blue Heeler cross has a black face and very intense eyes (although they are brown not yellow) and sooo many people look and her and are afraid of her because they say she looks like a wolf. I always have to laugh, she so doesn't look like a wolf except for a long nose and pointy ears. Your pack is lovely and you really do seem to know what you're doing so keep on doing it.

hazelrunpack
December 4th, 2009, 11:52 AM
What a magnificent Pack! Lovely animals. So majestic. Tundra is a beauty--I hope she comes around for you soon. :goodvibes: The kitties are darling :flirt: So is your parrot. :D And yes, even the snake! I love the feel of snakes...good thing, too, since every summer I have to rescue a few and carry them outside the fence so the dogs don't harrass them too badly.

Not sure I totally agree with you on all of the genetics though--if the domesticated genes are dominant in the phenotype, they might mask the wolf recessives. Especially since phenotypic dominance of a gene has no effect on selection. So it would be difficult to tell from phenotype if there are any wild-type recessives, yet the phenotype might show up in the next generation. :shrug: It can be hard to tell when you've actually managed to breed something out.

Wolf
December 4th, 2009, 11:56 AM
What a magnificent Pack! Lovely animals. So majestic. Tundra is a beauty--I hope she comes around for you soon. :goodvibes: The kitties are darling :flirt: So is your parrot. :D And yes, even the snake! I love the feel of snakes...good thing, too, since every summer I have to rescue a few and carry them outside the fence so the dogs don't harrass them too badly.

Not sure I totally agree with you on all of the genetics though--if the domesticated genes are dominant in the phenotype, they might mask the wolf recessives. Especially since phenotypic dominance of a gene has no effect on selection. So it would be difficult to tell from phenotype if there are any wild-type recessives, yet the phenotype might show up in the next generation. :shrug: It can be hard to tell when you've actually managed to breed something out.

the genetics, is not my idea. its from someone who's done over 30 years of researching on them ;) i'm just learning, and who knows if its 100% true. you can never trust peoples words. Glad you challenged the words though. Thats how we learn and grow :)

but it is me retyping it all out in my own wording.. haha

hazelrunpack
December 4th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Regardless, they're all beautiful animals! :flirt:

I've always wondered...is wolf fur soft or are the guard hairs sort of stiff?

Wolf
December 4th, 2009, 12:30 PM
its kinda in the middle of being soft and not. its alot like a husky that lived outdoors. LOL best thing i could think of for explaining.

Love4himies
December 4th, 2009, 01:20 PM
Awwwww, I just want to pick up those kittens and smoosh my face into that soft fur :cloud9:

Equla
December 4th, 2009, 01:26 PM
Wolf, I have a question...

Each subsequent generation is going to be traced back to an original wild(?) breeding pair, right?

I don't have a whole lot of knowledge when it comes to how often or how easy it is to domesticate(ish) a wild animal, but where did yours come from? I would imagine at some point, there was a wild litter and the original 100% wolf came from that and was bred down over the years to get your hybrids. So, how do breeders come across their first wolf? Zoo rescue? Rehab?

When I was little, one of my distant cousens ended up with a hybrid puppy. I never really got to learn much about him, but I'm very curious.

Your pack looks beautiful! How much do they weigh? How do you exercise them? I imagine for the more pure bloodlines, a leash would be almost out of the question. haha!

Chaser
December 4th, 2009, 02:09 PM
Wow - your Pack is stunning. Very impressive work you seem to do with them!

chico2
December 4th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Beautiful,beautiful animals..esp Vega,she looks very much like a wolf,the kittens are to die for,OMG are they cute:lovestruck:
Question,are all your dogs outdoor dogs,they never go in the house??
Do they have a bigger area where they can run??
I would imagine they need a lot of exersize:confused:

Wolf
December 5th, 2009, 11:34 AM
Chico- they are allowed inside, but most of them don't like being inside. they get bored, and tend to destroy the house (the low-no contents how ever do not destroy the house)

Some are trained to be sled dogs, so in summer we run them on bikes, in winter we sled with em :) we also give them alot of walks.

a leash works perfectly fine for all of em(all very well mannered). I take them into the public often, even to schools(they LOVE children of all ages-with any large breed, ALWAYS keep an eye on them)

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Equla:
Let me take Vega for example, I have her pedigree back up to the 70's, saying who was bred to who...ect

Her first family(in the early 70's?) comes from a fur farm. and then the breeder we got her from has been breeding the same lines for 30 years.
They were sold to wolf sanctuarys, zoo's(i believe?)...ect

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Eclipse, Escape, Lycan 40-70lbs
Timber-i'm guessing 80+lbs
Vega-last time we weighed her she was over 60lbs she's gotta be around 90- 100(that was awhile ago)
Legion-120lbs(maybe more maybe less)
Tundra- ??? never weighed her. still trying to get her 100% trust.

chico2
December 5th, 2009, 04:43 PM
It sounds to me like they have a wonderful life,you know,don't be shy,keep posting pics,ok:laughing:
The kitties too please:cat:

Ryan48
December 6th, 2009, 12:17 AM
WOW, absolutely beautiful.

RM

angeldogs
December 6th, 2009, 12:23 AM
They are all goregous babies.