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kellsbells
August 25th, 2004, 01:49 AM
Our family purchased what we believed to be an AKC registered German Shepherd puppy in May of this year. The minute we brought her home the puppy was showing signs of being unhealthy she had explosive diariah and some vomiting so we had her at the vets ofc on that Monday(we purchased her on a Friday evening) and he diagnosed her with giardia and gave us medicene. Well for 2 months we were in and out of vet offices,and specialist's for numerous health problems with our puppy and she eventually died in our home in June and never really found out what was wrong but several vets believed it was a congenital problem). We kept in constant contact with the breeder trying to find out why this puppy was so sick and she kept saying she had no idea why that all the puppy's littermates were fine and the last time I tried to contact her she had her phone number disconnected. So we took her to small claims court to try to recoup some of the money we had spent trying to save our puppy and accept some kind of responsibility and she appeared in court with a falsified document stating she would not be responsible for any health problems after 48 hours of purchasing the puppy. I told the judge that it was my signature on the paper but that was not the contract that I had signed but he said his hands were tied and since I did admit it was my signature we lost our case. :mad: Since the case we have found out that our puppy was never registered with AKC and it is well past the 6 month time frame for the breeder to do this so wouldn't that have made our "contract" null and void since we were under the assumption that we were purchasing an AKC registered puppy??? I have thought about taking this breeder back to small claims court not just for money but to stop her back-yard puppy mill and continuing to sell sick puppies for profit to the unsuspecting public. Do you think I would have a case the next time or should I just drop it. I just don't want another family to go through the pain and heart break our family went through for 2 months with a sick puppy. Any advice would be much appreciated.

OnlyInMyDreams
August 25th, 2004, 01:56 AM
Im sorry but I dont have any answers for you... I am unfamiliar with all that applys here. But I am sure someone here will be able to give some type of advice. Im just here to tell you how deeply sorry I am for what you had to go through. Some people have no heart and the ones that do often get the raw end of the deal. Just keep your chin up, your heart strong and fight for the justice of the little puppy that never had a chance thanks to that pathetic excuse of a person. And your absolutely right... you shouldnt wish that same heartbreak on any other family and they have to be put to a stop. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help and please keep us updated on your progress. :)

Writing4Fun
August 25th, 2004, 08:26 AM
Well, I'm no laywer, but it seems to me that if you have written proof that a) the pup was sold to you as AKC registered, and b) that the pup was never registered, you should have a case.

Good luck in your fight. These people need to pay for their negligence. :mad:

chico2
August 25th, 2004, 08:36 AM
KellsBells...so sorry about your loss :(
Where are you,what's the name of the place you got him from?
Depending on where you live,there are laws against puppy-mills,if not,you can help other unsuspecting buyers by giving the name and location of this person.
I am quiet certain there is a GSD-Board on the web who,I am sure,will be happy to spread the word.
I would do everything I can to make this puppy-mill owners life miserable :mad:

krdahmer
August 25th, 2004, 11:27 AM
So sorry to hear about your ordeal and the unfortunate outcome for the little pup, who would have had a loving home with you. I would have to say that you should go get the advice of a lawyer maybe, or contact an animal welfare group in your area. Maybe they could pursue this woman as well for selling you an unregistered pup. :mad:

P.S. I hope this doesnt sour you from try try tryin again...cause you seem like you have a lot of love to give....so good luck! :D

glasslass
August 25th, 2004, 01:00 PM
I too am sorry you and your family had to go through this experience. I say "go for it"! Even if you lose, there will be documentation that the next family may be able to use to show what this BYB is doing.

debanneball
August 25th, 2004, 01:07 PM
So sorry for your loss, but I am sure that you took the best care possible for your puppy, and she knows that she was loved!!! There is a poem out there, called RAINBOW BRIDGE, author unknown, read it, weep, but then be happy!!

kellsbells
August 25th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Thanks all!! I so want to purchase another puppy but I am also very scared after this episode it makes you paranoid about people and their intentions also my 8 year old daughter still cries everynight at bed time for Lexi she was in my room and saw her die on my bed that night. She just can't understand why Jesus would take something she loved so much away from her so I really want to give her time to heal before we go out and get another dog. I know we can never predict the future of our pets but this all seemed so unneccasary and for what? someone trying to make a living off of poor innocent animals. I have tried to put this all behind me but this same breeder is still running ads in our local newspaper weekly selling more puppies and saying they are AKC registered and it just kills me to think it is a real possibility that the same thing will happen to someone else. Anyway, thanks again for all the kind words I will keep you updated on any progress I have made if any!!! Kells

debanneball
August 25th, 2004, 01:09 PM
They are still running ads...have you thought of putting one in yourself, just to let the people know.

Writing4Fun
August 25th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Hi Kells. I am so sorry your young daughter is having to go through this. :( You all need time to heal, that's for sure.

When you are ready to get another dog, may I suggest a few things? Have you thought of a rescue? Petfinder.org can help you find the perfect fit for your family, whether you want a brand new pup or an older, more seasoned dog. You'll be saving a life, too! You can find mixed-breeds as well as pure-bred dogs there, except that they probably won't be registered, but if you're not showing, who cares, right? :D

If your heart is set on a purebred, then I'd suggest you stay away from newspaper ads! Reputable breeders don't need to advertise in newspapers. Start looking now to determine what breed you might want. Then start interviewing breeders. Type "selecting a breeder" in your search engine - there are lots of sites with helpful advice on what to look for in a good breeder. When you've found one you're comfortable with, put your name on a waiting list. The whole process takes quite some time, so you might want to start now... ;)

Good luck! :D

Bill & Bob
August 25th, 2004, 01:26 PM
Yeah, I'd recommend going through the rescues or SPCA as well. You have to spend some time doing it, but like previously mentioned you are saving a life. I did lots of searching on the internet, lots of driving to the SPCA to see the pooches, lots of heartbreaking moments getting there and finding out that they'd been adopted an hour before I got there, etc. It was really kind of heartwrenching and I didn't know if I could keep it up.

Then I found Bob. He's not a purebread shepherd, but I'm totally ok with that. He sure looks like a GSD but he's a bit longer and taller and has a more interesting coat with some strange lines along his back. He's a big boy and I don't know if he would have been adopted because of his size. The thought of him not being adopted and just continuing to sit in the jail cells just gives me the willys.

I really can't remember what life was like before I got Bob. He certainly has his quirks, but you're not going to be guaranteed that with a purebread won't either.

Cflat
August 25th, 2004, 01:27 PM
IMO anyone "breeder" who advertises in the paper is not reputable. Most "good/reputable" breeders (and I will admit I'm against all breeders) don't have to advertise. Their litters are mostly presold. They have long waiting lists.
I am sorry that you've had this experience. I'm not sure about the AKC registration - are you in the U.S.? Sounds like you only had the pup a month. Was your dog tattooed in any way? I know that practice is becoming less and less but just wondering. Are you sure the dog wasn't sold as CKC (Continential Kennel Club). Thats a little BYB sham club.

I hope that you will reconsider buying another dog and chose to adopt instead. Please visit your local shelter or even check out petfinder (www.petfinder.com). There are hundreds or thousands of dogs all shapes and sizes looking for homes. If you find one in another area, there are people who will do transport to you.

Papers don't make a dog so don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Unless you're going to show the dog, they are unnecessary.

Again, I'm sorry for your terrible experience. I hope that even if you are unable to recoup some of your losses, you can get the word out of how this person conducted themselves and their business.

I'd be interested in knowing who they were and where. You can pm me if you like.

*edited to say Vicky and I were definitely thinking alike while posting at the same time!

Bill & Bob
August 25th, 2004, 01:31 PM
As for the issue with the breeder, you might consider getting in touch with a Law Society in your area. They might be able to direct you to a non-profit organization that deals with legal matters. I used to work in the field and I know that the Salvation Army usually has a pro bono legal advice program. They might not represent you in court, but they can look at your information and tell you whether the situation is something that could be dealt with in court. As well, many universities have a program in their law department where law students help with legal issues to give them experience. They don't usuall deal with cases that are really serious which is appropriate, but you might find a real dog loving law student that would chomp at the bit to tear the BYB a new butthole! I've dealt with them on a number of occasions and have found the students very professional. They are always supervised by a lawyer in good standing with the local Law Society, and they are usually law professors as well.
Then you'll have the satisfaction of having at least pursued the matter to the best of your abilities.