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I need all the help I can get please.

14+kitties
November 9th, 2009, 05:53 PM
Brownie is very anemic. I took him in last week and there was bloodwork done. It showed he was to the point where a blood transfusion may be the only thing that "may" save him. He has no parasites, no FeLuek, no FIP. I don't think I have him with me for much longer.
I feel like absolute crap not recognizing that there was something going on earlier. He has always been a quiet cat. I thought he was still eating. He was but not very much.
I need to know if anyone knows of any homeopathic remedies that may help him. I'm not ready to let him go yet. He is eating a small amount of Fancy Feast every day. More if I sit beside him and watch him. I got beef liver and ground it for him tonight. He ate maybe a tblsp of it. I know it's not much but I figure every little bit helps. I have read that B12 may help. Also iron tablets but if I can get him to eat the liver than that would cover the iron. I am giving him water through a syringe.
I need to at least try to do something to help him. I can see the fight he has left. He is interested in food. I know he has nausea too with the lip licking. I just need to do something for him.
If you can help at all let me know. I need ideas. Please. He's only two.

Winston
November 9th, 2009, 06:18 PM
14+ I am wondering if Lysine will help.?? I am no guru by any means!

Is Brownie in the house or in the cattery? I wish there was something else to reccomend? I am sure Growler or SCM will have some ideas! Boy you have had a lot to deal with lately! Hugs MF! and Good Vibes going out to your little sweetie Brownie...

Cindy

14+kitties
November 9th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Brownie is in the sanctuary. He is quarantined from the rest of the cats right now in a crate. I had moved him to the house but I could tell he was miserable in here so moved him back over. At least there I know he rests. He can see his friends coming and going. It's killing me not being able to help him.
I know it may come down to euthanization but I want to at least try to help if I can. :sad:

Tundra_Queen
November 9th, 2009, 07:20 PM
14+ I'm sorry to hear about Brownie.

Would he have IBS? When willie was first diagnosed with it, he was throwing up several times a day. The doctor put him on prednizone, hooked him up to IV's and did all kinds of testing. He was on IV for a few days as he almost died. It was found he also had a fur ball. He was given diazapam to get his appetite back. A short time after he ate the tranquilizer he just goggled up his food. We didn't keep him on it very long cause he was so unstable on his feet though. We also gave him the paste that is nutriental paste, sorry I can't remember the name. But u probably know what I'm thinking of. Cats with cancer or just not eating eat to get their calories.

Did the doctor test him for IBS? Maybe predinzone would help him like it did Willie?

Sorry I'm not much help.

Debbie

sugarcatmom
November 9th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Oh no! I'm not familiar with Brownie's story, but do you have a copy of his blood work and urinalysis? Was he tested for FIV? How was FIP ruled out? Do you know if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative? Is it possible he ate onions or garlic recently?

I'm sorry that I can't think of any specific holistic remedies to help with the anemia. So much depends on what might be causing it. I have no idea if an appetite stimulant and anti-nausea med like mirtazapine would be warranted in Brownie's case but it might be worth asking the vet about it.

ancientgirl
November 9th, 2009, 07:23 PM
14+, I'm so sorry Brownie isn't well. I know that liver is good for iron, but you're already giving him some. :pray:

Frenchy
November 9th, 2009, 08:39 PM
The only advice I had for you was giving him liver but I see you're already doing it.

and don't blame yourself , how could you notice this ? when you have so much on your plate :grouphug:

My Lodi Girl
November 9th, 2009, 08:49 PM
I don't have any advice just wanted to say I'm sorry Brownie is not doing well. I will be thinking of the little guy.

hazelrunpack
November 9th, 2009, 10:19 PM
:grouphug: You just can't catch a break this week, can you :sad: The vet couldn't venture a guess as to what might be going on?

Nothing to offer except :grouphug:s, prayers, and :goodvibes: for Brownie!

14+kitties
November 9th, 2009, 10:42 PM
Oh no! I'm not familiar with Brownie's story, but do you have a copy of his blood work and urinalysis? Was he tested for FIV? How was FIP ruled out? Do you know if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative? Is it possible he ate onions or garlic recently?

I'm sorry that I can't think of any specific holistic remedies to help with the anemia. So much depends on what might be causing it. I have no idea if an appetite stimulant and anti-nausea med like mirtazapine would be warranted in Brownie's case but it might be worth asking the vet about it.

Thanks for responding SCM. Brownie's story is short. I misspoke when I said I took him to the vet. My hubby did. I noticed something was definitely not right with Brownie early last week. I made an appointment for as soon as I could get him in. Unfortunately the only day I could get him in without waiting for this week was Friday when I had to work. Tried getting off early but they wouldn't let me go. By the time I got home the vet had called. I called back and talked to her. She asked about taking blood and having it sent out for analysis. I don't know why she couldn't have asked him but she didn't. I guess because to this date she has only dealt with me.
She got the results back today and phoned. She told me prognosis was not good. There was no Feline Leukemia, no FIP. She didn't mention FIV. Is that not checked by doing obtaining a urine sample or am I thinking of something else? She also said there was no sign of parasites in the blood. So the next thing would be to send him to a specialist to find out what is causing the anemia. I asked if a blood transfusion would help. She said possibly but until they found the source of the infection she wasn't sure. Again, as in TT's case, she said she wasn't sure of my funds and didn't know how much I wanted to put into just one cat when I have so many. I don't think I once have said anything about refusing treatment for that reason.
There has not been any testing on his urine or BMs. Should that not be done as well or is that a mute thing at this point? I have asked for them to be tested for Coccidia and Giardia because I know that when it rains a few little puddles form in the sanctuary and they drink out of them.
I am taking Mew in for an upper respiratory infection (I think) tomorrow morning so will ask a few more questions then. Not sure what to ask though. I just know if there is something I can do to try to help Brownie I want to try. I don't want to cause him pain. If she feels he is in a lot of pain I may make the decision to let him go. It's just so damned hard.
Sorry for the novel. Just trying to get all the information I can remember out.
Oh, she did give him one Marzapine pill in the office on Friday. She said she would give me more tomorrow when I go in if I want them. Well duh! If it will help him have an appetite!! I will also see if she will give me a copy of his bloodwork.

rainbow
November 9th, 2009, 10:46 PM
14+, I have no advice but just lots of :grouphug:'s for you and :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes: for Brownie. :sad:

14+kitties
November 9th, 2009, 10:55 PM
Thanks everyone for your kind thoughts. This has been tough for Brownie.

rainbow
November 9th, 2009, 11:07 PM
It's also been a tough couple of weeks for you. :2huggers: :grouphug:

14+kitties
November 9th, 2009, 11:16 PM
:grouphug: You just can't catch a break this week, can you :sad: The vet couldn't venture a guess as to what might be going on?

Nothing to offer except :grouphug:s, prayers, and :goodvibes: for Brownie!

It's gotta get better soon hazel. :fingerscr I now have four kitties with goopy eyes in the catuary. One more goes in tomorrow.

It's also been a tough couple of weeks for you. :2huggers: :grouphug:

Thanks rainbow. I will survive. I just need Brownie better. :grouphug::sad:

growler~GateKeeper
November 10th, 2009, 12:26 AM
:grouphug: Sorry to hear Brownie is not doing so good.

One of the first things to determine is the cause and whether it is regenerative or non-regenerative. There are several potential causes of anaemia (the 4 most common being kidney disease, parasites, injury, viral infection such as FeLk, FIV) as it is a symptom not a disease in of itself and treatment depends on which type Brownie has.

When they checked for parasites did they test a blood smear for Hemobortonella felis? This is the bacterial agent that causes Feline Infection Anaemia - not saying this is what he has, just a possibility.

Does Brownie have a warm fleecy blanket in his crate to snuggle into? One very common sign of anaemia is feeling cold, especially their feet.

Regarding iron & B12 supplements those should be discussed with the vet as to whether Brownie needs it and at what dosage, giving liver is good but supplementing with vitamins can be dangerous when not neccessary.

As for Homeopathic remedies or conventional treatments, it is best to get some more information from the blood tests first & see what is best for Brownie.

Some reading for you on Anaemia:
http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/erythropoietin.html

This is geared towards cats with Anaemia and CRF but the info is the same:
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm

Love4himies
November 10th, 2009, 06:53 AM
I am so sorry, 14+ :grouphug::grouphug::cry:.

I have absolutely no advice but will send you lots of :goodvibes: and keep you in my prayers today.

ancientgirl
November 10th, 2009, 06:58 AM
:pray::pray::pray:

Sending more prayers over for Brownie and a big :grouphug: for you.

Sylvie
November 10th, 2009, 08:37 AM
:pray::pray:for Brownie

Hope you have a good visit at the vet today. Also, hope that Brownie is better. My thoughts are with you.

diandpat
November 10th, 2009, 08:41 AM
Aw, he just has to be ok...only two years old :sad:

:fingerscr that it is something easily taken care of. And four runny eyed cats too...wow, you have alot going on :sad:

:goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes:

Good luck today

Dog Dancer
November 10th, 2009, 10:47 AM
14+ you are in my thoughts and prayers. Goodness you have your hands full. Sorry I have nothing to offer you in the line of advice, just good thoughts for Brownie and the others though. :pray:

catlover2
November 10th, 2009, 12:04 PM
So sorry to hear about "Brownie". I do hope you find some answers for his condition. Just wondering and this may be a longshot---was Brownie tested for heartworm? Because there have been puddles in the sanctuary, maybe mosquitoes hatched from them, and they can be carriers of heartworm.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+2236+2242&aid=742

dogcatharmony
November 10th, 2009, 03:52 PM
:pray: Sending my thoughts and prayers to you and Brownie!

chico2
November 10th, 2009, 04:11 PM
OMG 14+,here I am adding to your multiple problems,with Tux,I am so sorry.:sad:
I know nothing about anemia in cats,or who Brownie is,but I know you will not just give up on him, hopefully the vet can give you some workable options,to save him.,he's really just a baby.
It just has to get better for you and the kitties:pray::sad:

14+kitties
November 10th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Thanks for the prayers everyone. It's been a tough few days. I can only hope it gets better soon.
Catlover2 - I will phone the vet in the morning before work to see if they did a test for heartworm. I doubt they did. It's a long shot but worth it if it proves correct.
Brownie is now on Prednisone, Doxycycline and Mirtazapine. I know Prednisone is not great but in this case I don't think it matters. :sad: I am giving him till the end of the week. If I don't see some improvement I have to let him go. I don't want him suffering through more tests which may prove useless. He is just a shadow of himself.
With everything else going on with the URIs the other kitties have and the other info being tossed at me I forgot about asking for the bloodwork. :wall: So stupid! I know the vet mentioned bone marrow the other day. I am almost positive the test for Hemobortonella felis was done. The iron and B12 were actually things I read from a homeopathic web site. I was grasping at straws.
I am just at a loss. My heart is breaking. :sad:
chico - don't feel bad. I was the one pushing you. I just didn't see things going the way they did with Tux. :grouphug: The vet said today the outlook for Brownie was grim.

ancientgirl
November 10th, 2009, 05:06 PM
14+ I just don't know what to say. I'm so sorry Brownie isn't improving. I wish there was something I could do to help you. :grouphug:

Sheri H
November 10th, 2009, 05:18 PM
I don't have any advice for you, but I'm sending all the prayers and hope I can your way that Brownie will recover.

krdahmer
November 10th, 2009, 07:19 PM
:sad:Oh mf, I was really hoping you'd get more hopeful news. :grouphug: You know you and Brownie and all the kitties are in my prayers!:pray: And I meant it, you need anything give me a call!

edwina
November 10th, 2009, 07:49 PM
:pray: that Brownie gets better soon :sick:
:grouphug:

Frenchy
November 10th, 2009, 08:29 PM
14+ , I am so sorry about all the sick kitties :sad: I wish I could make it all better :grouphug:

the week is still early , I'm sending positive vibes for Brownie to get better real fast :fingerscr :pray:

hazelrunpack
November 10th, 2009, 09:32 PM
:grouphug: I was hoping you'd gotten some good news some time today, 14+. I know how overwhelming it must all seem with so much going on! Hang in there, kiddo--lots of :goodvibes:, prayers and good wishes heading your way!

Tundra_Queen
November 10th, 2009, 10:29 PM
14+ Willie has been on prednizone for about 5 years now and it has really helped him. I'm hoping that it will help Brownie too!! ((HUGS))

rainbow
November 10th, 2009, 10:56 PM
I was also hoping for better news. :grouphug:

Sending all the prayers and good wishes I can muster up for Brownie. :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes: :fingerscr :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes:

Magicwildwolf69
November 12th, 2009, 07:48 PM
so sorry 14+ i don't have any advice but i do send many :grouphug::grouphug: and :goodvibes::goodvibes: your way. i hope things clear up with your other kitties soon. hope brownie improves. hang in there. things will get better.

TwinTails
November 12th, 2009, 09:04 PM
14+, Brownie keeps showing me some stones or small blockages in his digestive tract (not quite in the bowel, but between the stomach and colon). I am not sure what that is, but is it something you can ask to be checked? That is all that he is showing me, but he's insistant that is something important that is bothering him.

rainbow
November 13th, 2009, 03:29 AM
Some more :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes: :fingerscr :pray: :fingerscr for Brownie. :grouphug:

mona_b
November 13th, 2009, 11:28 AM
Ohhhh Gerr....I'm so sorry to hear this.....:sad:


sending TONS of :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes:

:pray::pray::pray:

14+kitties
November 13th, 2009, 04:57 PM
Thanks everyone. :grouphug: Mona my friend. Brownie is hanging in. I said I was waiting till today to make a decision. He is still eating. Today he ate quite a bit. I know it probably doesn't make a difference but as long as he is eating and drinking and his bladder and bowels are working then I am holding off. I know that is selfish of me but he still shows interest in life. :shrug:
I will talk to the vet early next week. She was off the last couple of days.

ancientgirl
November 13th, 2009, 05:18 PM
I don't think it's selfish. You're giving him every possible chance to keep fighting. :grouphug:

Tundra_Queen
November 13th, 2009, 06:23 PM
14+ do u think the prednizone has given him some appteite back like it did fro Willie?

(((HUGS)))

14+kitties
November 13th, 2009, 11:09 PM
14+ do u think the prednizone has given him some appteite back like it did fro Willie?

(((HUGS)))

Brownie is on Mirtazipine which is an appetite stimulant. It is just helping him to control the nausea a little better and eat. I don't think it will make a difference in his outcome but it seems to be helping him for the moment. :sad:

Frenchy
November 13th, 2009, 11:15 PM
I don't think it will make a difference in his outcome but it seems to be helping him for the moment. :sad:

Maybe it will :goodvibes: it would boost his immune system. :fingerscr

and no , it's not selfish 14+ , you're only trying to do whatever is in your power to help yet , another kittie. :grouphug:

rainbow
November 13th, 2009, 11:40 PM
I also agree ... it's definitely not selfish of you. :grouphug:

One of my last sibes was given a poor prognosis and lived twice as long as the vet expected. I know you've likely been through this before as well so you will know when it is time. :grouphug:

growler~GateKeeper
November 14th, 2009, 12:37 AM
:goodvibes: Brownie :goodvibes:

Love4himies
November 14th, 2009, 04:41 AM
No it is not selfish :grouphug:.

:goodvibes::goodvibes: for Brownie :pray:

chico2
November 14th, 2009, 07:04 AM
All of us,carry the burden of deciding and we do it thinking only of the quality of life for the animals we love and there is not a selfish bone in your body:grouphug:
Brownie is enjoying his food,,a good sign,who knows...he might just get better:pray:

Tundra_Queen
November 14th, 2009, 07:47 AM
14+ does the vet know why Brownie is anemic? I don't remember reading that the vet found out a reason.

I hope now that he is eating better that will start giving him the nutrients he needs to build up his red cells again. (((HUGS FOR YOU AND BROWNIE)))

Debbie

My Lodi Girl
November 14th, 2009, 09:47 AM
You are not being selfish. If there is hope, you have to pursue it. If there had been ANY hope for Lodi's survival, I would have done it in a heartbeat. Take care and be strong, everyone is wishing for the best! :grouphug:

krdahmer
November 14th, 2009, 11:29 AM
Just wanted to send you a big :grouphug: and some more :pray::goodvibes: for Brownie!

catlover2
November 14th, 2009, 12:48 PM
I don't think you're selfish. Brownie still has a quality of life and is enjoying it enough to eat. If he were very uncomfortable or in pain, he would not do so. When he really starts to shut down, you'll know it's his time to go. All the best to you and Brownie. :pray: :goodvibes:

rainbow
November 16th, 2009, 01:44 AM
Just wanted to send some more :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes: for Brownie. :grouphug:

Tundra_Queen
November 16th, 2009, 01:58 AM
14+...thinking of you and Brownie. :grouphug:

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 09:02 AM
Thanks TQ. :grouphug:
I don't know if it's wishful thinking or not but Brownie's gums are looking pink(er) today! :fingerscr No sign of jaundice which he did show when he went to the vet. The yellow tinge is gone. He is drinking tons of water which may be helping to flush his system out. He ate approx one and a half cans of the FF Medley stuff yesterday and the day before as well as approx 1/3 cup of Wellness Core dry. I know the dry isn't good for him but at this point I don't care. I just want him eating and getting stronger.
Yesterday I had the door open to their house while I was cleaning the house and feeding the kitties. Brownie is in a large crate in there so he can be near his friends. I turned around to see him standing up with his paws on the bars of the crate. He clearly showed interest in being outside. That is also a first in quite some time.
I am picking up some better quality food for him today to see if he will eat it. If not then I will have to be happy he is eating the FF. I will be talking to his vet today after work or tomorrow. We'll see what she has to say. :pray: But he sure seems to me like he is fighting hard to survive. :cloud9:

Chris21711
November 16th, 2009, 09:05 AM
Great news on Brownie 14k :thumbs up he does seem to be rallying a bit....FF ain't so bad, there is far worse out there.

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 09:08 AM
Great news on Brownie 14k :thumbs up he does seem to be rallying a bit....FF ain't so bad, there is far worse out there.

Thank you m/g/f! I know the FF isn't too bad but if I got him eating Wellness or something maybe he would retain more nutrients. The vet wanted him on their stuff of course. She said it was so packed full of nutrients that he would only need to eat 1/3 of the can to match any other food I could give him. :rolleyes:
Ok dok, no arguing.

Love4himies
November 16th, 2009, 09:12 AM
I am so glad, 14+ :grouphug:. I hope Brownie continues to improve :goodvibes: :goodvibes:

Chris21711
November 16th, 2009, 09:13 AM
Thank you m/g/f! I know the FF isn't too bad but if I got him eating Wellness or something maybe he would retain more nutrients. The vet wanted him on their stuff of course. She said it was so packed full of nutrients that he would only need to eat 1/3 of the can to match any other food I could give him. :rolleyes:
Ok dok, no arguing.

:laughing: You wouldn't do that, now would you :rolleyes:

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 09:16 AM
:laughing: You wouldn't do that, now would you :rolleyes:

Who? Moi? :o I can't believe you would even say that about quiet little me. :D
I actually didn't fight about it. At that point I was willing to try anything. Now I want to try better food.

Chris21711
November 16th, 2009, 09:23 AM
There's a good girl :angel:

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 09:39 AM
There's a good girl :angel:


:D But did you notice Brownie wouldn't touch it? That's why I tried the FF first.
Gotta boogie. Work............

Chris21711
November 16th, 2009, 09:53 AM
:D But did you notice Brownie wouldn't touch it? That's why I tried the FF first.

Herbie and Kale won't touch it with a 10ft barge pole :evil:
Gotta boogie. Work............

Have a good one at work...........I'm gonna play today :crazy:

rainbow
November 16th, 2009, 01:25 PM
So happy to hear that Brownie is looking better :thumbs up and hope he keeps continuing to improve. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

We all know he is getting the very best care in your hands. :grouphug:

ancientgirl
November 16th, 2009, 02:01 PM
I'm so glad to hear Brownie is feeling better. The great thing is he is eating, and yeah sometimes it doesn't matter what, but just that they eat something. :pray:He continues to get better.

Tundra_Queen
November 16th, 2009, 03:09 PM
14+ I am so happy Brownie is still eating!! *doing the happy dance* :grouphug:

What kind of FF do u feed Brownie? Is it the new kind that is suppose to free of meat by products and grain? I have tried to find it here in walmart and they don't carry it.

chico2
November 16th, 2009, 03:50 PM
14+,great news:thumbs up
Maybe Brownie is diabetic,when my Peppi was diagnosed he was very jaundiced,with pale gums and had lost weight.
He was fine with insuline,until he got cancer years later.

Hazmat
November 16th, 2009, 04:46 PM
Please check for fleas. again. Perhaps I am paroniod but fleas for fleas chech again, no one want to admit that they have them. Dam fleas will suck the blood out of your pets.

krdahmer
November 16th, 2009, 05:08 PM
Aw mf, that sounds like he might be getting better!:thumbs up:grouphug: (those vets and all their doom and gloom...:frustrated:) Did they check his blood sugar when you were there? Sounds like another possible culprit. I really hope you can find the cause and get it treated.... sounds like he's obviously ready to fight whatever it may be!:goodvibes::pray:

Magicwildwolf69
November 16th, 2009, 06:36 PM
so glad to hear he is doing better. sometimes time is on our side and does heal the unknown. :goodvibes: and prayers he keeps pulling through. you're such a :angel2: 14+

mona_b
November 16th, 2009, 07:06 PM
ohhhh mf, I am soooooo happy to hear he is doing better....:grouphug:

keeping my :fingerscr that it continues.

Frenchy
November 16th, 2009, 07:57 PM
woohoo !!!

go Brownie go !!! http://bestsmileys.com/happy/7.gif

hazelrunpack
November 16th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Yay, Brownie! :goodvibes:

How are the kitties with runny noses? Are they better, too? :fingerscr

growler~GateKeeper
November 16th, 2009, 10:49 PM
:goodvibes: for continued speedy improvement :goodvibes:

Did you get the bloodwork?

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 10:59 PM
14+ I am so happy Brownie is still eating!! *doing the happy dance* :grouphug:

What kind of FF do u feed Brownie? Is it the new kind that is suppose to free of meat by products and grain? I have tried to find it here in walmart and they don't carry it.

He is eating the FF Medleys which are the new ones. I got him some of the Wellness pouches tonight and will give him that and the FF starting tomorrow. Hopefully he will try the Wellness. The pouches have gravy which he loves and more nutrition than the FF.

Please check for fleas. again. Perhaps I am paroniod but fleas for fleas chech again, no one want to admit that they have them. Dam fleas will suck the blood out of your pets.

Was checked and double checked. None. I am the first to admit if there are fleas around with the gang I have. In fact I expect them.

Aw mf, that sounds like he might be getting better!:thumbs up:grouphug: (those vets and all their doom and gloom...:frustrated:) Did they check his blood sugar when you were there? Sounds like another possible culprit. I really hope you can find the cause and get it treated.... sounds like he's obviously ready to fight whatever it may be!:goodvibes::pray:

Yep. We need to talk yet about what exactly the vets told you when you overheard them. Dr B told me about that but only after I asked about Buddy. No blood sugar check as far as I know. But she only saw him the one time when hubby took him in. He's fighting for sure. :thumbs up Not out of the woods yet but I think better. Thanks mf for your support. :grouphug:

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 11:03 PM
Yay, Brownie! :goodvibes:

How are the kitties with runny noses? Are they better, too? :fingerscr

Kitties with runny noses are getting much better thanks. I picked up more meds for them all. It has just about run its' course with them all. I think I caught it early enough. :fingerscr I still have one with a goopy eye and of course the darling boy that started it all. Anyone have any suggestions for medicating a feral kitty? :D I have started putting L-Lysine in all of their food. Including Ace and Ajax's.

:goodvibes: for continued speedy improvement :goodvibes:

Did you get the bloodwork?

Can I just ask her for it and expect her to hand it over? I am sure she would be curious as to why I want it. I was going to ask last time but she was so busy she didn't have much time. I will be phoning tomorrow to make an appt for Meowzer's recheck and for the tuxedo kitty's checkup.

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 11:04 PM
Oh, and thank you all for the continued good vibes and prayers. I am sure they are helping Brownie. :cloud9::grouphug:

hazelrunpack
November 16th, 2009, 11:06 PM
The tests were done on your kitty, so you should have access to all the lab printouts. :shrug: Just tell her you want it for your records. We keep all our dogs' lab results... It only takes up one drawer in the file cabinets. :D

14+kitties
November 16th, 2009, 11:16 PM
The tests were done on your kitty, so you should have access to all the lab printouts. :shrug: Just tell her you want it for your records. We keep all our dogs' lab results... It only takes up one drawer in the file cabinets. :D

Thanks hazel! I was thinking along that line as I have a drawer full of records as well. :rolleyes: Hopefully she won't argue with me. I am not in the mood for arguing.

hazelrunpack
November 16th, 2009, 11:29 PM
If she wants a reason, tell her you paid for the test, the least she can do is make you a copy of the results for your file. :p

growler~GateKeeper
November 16th, 2009, 11:36 PM
Can I just ask her for it and expect her to hand it over? I am sure she would be curious as to why I want it. I was going to ask last time but she was so busy she didn't have much time. I will be phoning tomorrow to make an appt for Meowzer's recheck and for the tuxedo kitty's checkup.

Absolutely, just ask the receptionist for a copy when you phone or go in next - you don't actually have to ask the Dr for it. As a matter of fact you can have them copy the entire file for you, Drs notes & all, if you wish. There is no reason you should be refused. I have Duffy's lab work emailed to me as soon as it comes in :D.

rainbow
November 16th, 2009, 11:39 PM
I agree as well and any time I have wanted something I just ask one of the girls at the desk. :thumbs up

krdahmer
November 17th, 2009, 12:56 AM
Yep. We need to talk yet about what exactly the vets told you when you overheard them. Dr B told me about that but only after I asked about Buddy. No blood sugar check as far as I know. But she only saw him the one time when hubby took him in. He's fighting for sure. :thumbs up Not out of the woods yet but I think better. Thanks mf for your support. :grouphug:

pm'd ya....call me if you have any questions! So maybe blood sugar would be a good one to check.

14+kitties
November 17th, 2009, 11:23 AM
Meowzer is going in for his recheck tomorrow. He had a slight issue with his urine that last time it was tested. They weren't sure what it was either. :rolleyes: When I phoned to make his appt I asked for a copy of Brownie's bloodwork. I am picking it up tomorrow so will post it asap.
Yesterday Brownie ate - two cans of FF Medley, approx 1/2 cup of Wellness Core, two gizzards and a chicken heart. Plus he drank approx 1/2 cup of water. I know he is on appetite stimulates which are helping his appetite. Now I am expecting the vet to tell me that is why he is eating as much as he is.
I am wondering if he had a bug of some kind and it needed to work itself out of his system. Maybe a course of antibiotics? I am almost tempted to take him along when I take Meowzer in tomorrow but don't want to stress him any more than necessary.

Love4himies
November 17th, 2009, 11:35 AM
Hmmmmm, that Brownie is really mystifying us all, isn't he.

I just hope he continues his recovery :goodvibes: (I personally would like a blood recheck if he was my kitty to check organ functions and cell counts, but I am a bit :crazy: with bloodwork).

14+kitties
November 17th, 2009, 11:42 AM
Hmmmmm, that Brownie is really mystifying us all, isn't he.

I just hope he continues his recovery :goodvibes: (I personally would like a blood recheck if he was my kitty to check organ functions and cell counts, but I am a bit :crazy: with bloodwork).

I will definitely be asking for another work up. I want to see if he continues where he is now. I will be talking to the vet tomorrow to see what she has to say.
As for mystifying us... you got that right. I cried so much last week my eyes always felt gritty. This week I am filled with hope. I can only pray it stays that way. :cloud9:

Love4himies
November 17th, 2009, 11:44 AM
I will definitely be asking for another work up. I want to see if he continues where he is now. I will be talking to the vet tomorrow to see what she has to say.
As for mystifying us... you got that right. I cried so much last week my eyes always felt gritty. This week I am filled with hope. I can only pray it stays that way. :cloud9:

There are so many mysterious viruses out there that can attack organs and never be detected. DH had a heart virus that mystified the cardiologists for months.


:goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: for him.

ancientgirl
November 17th, 2009, 11:45 AM
I really hope Brownie is out of the woods and whatever he had is working it's way out of his system:pray:. Good luck with Moewzer at the vet too:goodvibes:.

These kitties need to stop scaring us.

dogcatharmony
November 17th, 2009, 01:05 PM
+14 we are sending all our good vibes (fuzzy ones included) to you and Brownie! And I am sending you extra ones, just having gone through a mystery with Zoe, I have lots saved up.

rainbow
November 17th, 2009, 01:44 PM
I hope Brownie is finally on the road to recovery. :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes:

How long is he on the appetite stimulants for? I was thinking maybe it's best to get the bloodwork done again after the meds are finished. Glad there was no problem getting his records. :thumbs up

Good luck for Meowzer at the vet tomorrow. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

chico2
November 17th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Yes 14+,last week was a weeping week,but it looks like things are turning around :pray:for Meowser and little Brownie.
You should never have a problem getting test-results from the vet,you paid for the tests.
I am getting ours from now on,they might not mean much to me,but our experts here can help.
Good Luck tomorrow:fingerscr

Frenchy
November 17th, 2009, 09:28 PM
Hopefully she won't argue with me. I am not in the mood for arguing.

rrrreeeeerrrrr I like that side of you 14+ :D

keeping sending :goodvibes:

growler~GateKeeper
November 18th, 2009, 02:06 AM
:goodvibes: for Meowzer's recheck

Good job on the eating Brownie :highfive:

14+kitties
November 18th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Ok so, still waiting to hear the results of Meowzer's retest. Hopefully things are good. He was not impressed with them manipulating his bladder.
Brownie is going back in the middle of Dec. for another blood workup. He will be checked for heartworm at the same time. Of course she said if he tested positive for them then probably all the cats will. :frustrated: I just wish she would give me some good news once in a while!
Anyway, I told her how much he was eating. Her eyes kind of opened wide like she was in shock. She asked what pills she had him on. I told her. She said Oh, well that's why he's eating. They are all appetite stimulants.
My observations from today - his gums are pinker, he isn't panting any more when he moves, he's grooming himself, no sign of jaundice (which she said wasn't that bad in the first place although at the time she made it sound like it was), he is BORED!, he ripped apart his crate - buried his food dishes under all the straw, spilled his water. He tried making a run for it when I opened the door to clean up the mess and give him his pills. I put him in a carrier so I could clean up and then sat with him on the porch of their house for a while. He sure wanted to get down and explore.
SCM and growler - I have the bloodwork but am having some issues scanning it. Could you tell me what numbers to look for in particular and I will let you know what they are.
I took a couple of pics of the poor boy today.
Mom, let me ouuuttttt!!
59973
Ok, I will just sit here and look sad.
59974

hazelrunpack
November 18th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Yay, for the continued improvement in Brownie!!! :highfive: He's looking mighty handsome, even if he isn't happy with being locked up... :cat:

One question--if the vet thinks he might have heartworm, why would she wait to test him for it? :confused:

When do you think you'll get Meowzer's tests back? Today sometime?

hazelrunpack
November 18th, 2009, 01:52 PM
Oh, and the good news will be when she tells you Brownie is all better and none of the kitties have heartworm :thumbs up :D

ancientgirl
November 18th, 2009, 01:55 PM
Yay Brownie. I'm glad he is improving.

14+kitties
November 18th, 2009, 02:01 PM
Yay, for the continued improvement in Brownie!!! :highfive: He's looking mighty handsome, even if he isn't happy with being locked up... :cat:

One question--if the vet thinks he might have heartworm, why would she wait to test him for it? :confused:

When do you think you'll get Meowzer's tests back? Today sometime?

I think she still figures he will eventually have to be euthanized so isn't too worried about testing him for it. It was me who asked if that was a possibility. Of course then she said with all the coyotes that we have around it's possible. I guess the mosquitoes were stinging the coyotes and then traveling across an acre of so of land to get to the cats to sting them. :shrug:
I swear I think she still has the impression that I am a hoarder. :wall: I don't know why she can't get the concept that people in this area DO NOT pay for cats when there are so many available for free and I am not giving my cats away to just anyone! And most of the ones I have are not exactly people lovers as some of my visitors can attest.
Yes, they should be able to tell me Meowzer's results later today. If not tomorrow morning.

hazelrunpack
November 18th, 2009, 02:07 PM
In my experience, doctors in any field are not notorious for their understanding. Normally, they're quite set in their attitudes. :frustrated: Best you can do is go in as well-informed as you can, and demand the best care. She'll either get it or she won't. :shrug:

14+kitties
November 18th, 2009, 02:52 PM
In my experience, doctors in any field are not notorious for their understanding. Normally, they're quite set in their attitudes. :frustrated: Best you can do is go in as well-informed as you can, and demand the best care. She'll either get it or she won't. :shrug:

How very true hazel!
I saved the report to paint and tried uploading it to here but it keeps saying the file is too big. If I make it any smaller no one will be able to read it. :rolleyes:

rjesak
November 18th, 2009, 02:58 PM
I swear I think she still has the impression that I am a hoarder. :wall:

14K, that must be incredibly frustrating! I remember seeing in one of your posts that she wanted to come see your set up. Did that ever happen? Grrr. How annoying!!!!:frustrated:

14+kitties
November 18th, 2009, 03:07 PM
14K, that must be incredibly frustrating! I remember seeing in one of your posts that she wanted to come see your set up. Did that ever happen? Grrr. How annoying!!!!:frustrated:

Nope. I am not allowing anyone in until all the kitties are feeling better. Most of them are great but I am not taking chances. I think it was more curiousity to see how the cats are treated more than an honest desire to see what I do. :wall:
If she's lucky I may let her come out in the spring. Her partner wants to come out as well.

chico2
November 18th, 2009, 03:47 PM
I don't understand why she did not test him for heartworms right away,if that is what he has,the sooner treatment starts the better,right:confused:
Brownie certainly does not look sick,now I know who he is,a beautiful,beautiful boy:lovestruck:
I have always gotten the impression,some vets just don't think you know anything and they get annoyed if you come up with your own suggestions.
Suggestions that come from years of experience and knowing your own animals.
:fingerscrfor Meowsers test-results to be good:fingerscr

ancientgirl
November 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM
How very true hazel!
I saved the report to paint and tried uploading it to here but it keeps saying the file is too big. If I make it any smaller no one will be able to read it. :rolleyes:

14+ did you try compressing it? I've found it's harder to save into paint, because it tends to save things really large. Most computers allow you to save as a pdf file. That might be easier.

Love4himies
November 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM
I scanned and saved mine into a pdf file to upload and works great.

I am so happy Brownie is doing so well :thumbs up. :goodvibes: for continued improvement.

edwina
November 18th, 2009, 07:04 PM
:pray: that all the kitties will be ok. :grouphug:

rainbow
November 19th, 2009, 12:51 AM
I'm so glad to hear that Brownie is still doing well :thumbs up but if she was my vet, I would really be soooo completely frustrated. :wall: I really dislike people that are judgemental. :frustrated:

Hope Brownie continues to improve and good luck ith Meowze'rs results. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

growler~GateKeeper
November 19th, 2009, 12:54 AM
He's looking good :cloud9: :grouphug:

Blood work response is in pm.

Has Brownie been coughing at all? I'm not talking about vomiting or retching but actual coughing. That would be an indicator towards heart issues ie heartworm.

The panting was likely the lack of oxygen in the red blood cells caused by anaemia. The anaemia, jaundice & liver numbers would respond to the pred. which is also helping the appetite - that in turn will also be good for the liver since we all know what happens to the liver in a cat that eats less than normal amounts of food over a prolonged period.

14+kitties
November 19th, 2009, 07:33 AM
He's looking good :cloud9: :grouphug:

Blood work response is in pm.

Has Brownie been coughing at all? I'm not talking about vomiting or retching but actual coughing. That would be an indicator towards heart issues ie heartworm.

The panting was likely the lack of oxygen in the red blood cells caused by anaemia. The anaemia, jaundice & liver numbers would respond to the pred. which is also helping the appetite - that in turn will also be good for the liver since we all know what happens to the liver in a cat that eats less than normal amounts of food over a prolonged period.

Thank you very much growler for your immediate response! :grouphug: I appreciate it. I wish the vet would work that way. :D
No Brownie has not been coughing. From the research I have done on heartworm in cats it is rarer for cats to get it. I mentioned it because I was not getting any answers from the vet except for euthanize and Brownie's outlook was grim. And of course catlover2 mentioned it earlier in this thread which I also appreciate. :thumbs up
She did explain the panting. He is not doing that any more thank dawg! :thumbs up
rainbow - I pray daily for Brownie's continued improvement. I may have a lot of cats but it doesn't mean I do not love each and every one of them. :cloud9: It is frustrating for me. To the point where I am looking for another vet who is willing to work with me.

chico2
November 19th, 2009, 07:53 AM
That vets comment about Brownie,would be the same as a doctor telling a mother"you have so many kids,if one dies it should not matter too much":sad:
There is not one person here,I am sure,who does not feel Brownies little life is worth fighting for and I :pray:you get the opportunity to show her,how wrong she was.
Every little life is important:cat:

If you lived closer to me,I would recommend my vet,he is a good vet,even though my cats don't agree..

quincymycat
November 19th, 2009, 08:03 AM
That vets comment about Brownie,would be the same as a doctor telling a mother"you have so many kids,if one dies it should not matter too much":sad:
There is not one person here,I am sure,who does not feel Brownies little life is worth fighting for and I :pray:you get the opportunity to show her,how wrong she was.
Every little life is important:cat:



I would have a hard time with my vet telling me that euth is a good decision without fully explaining why. I have seen my vet cry when she has had to put down an animal she has worked with .... it should not be an easy solution for the vet.
Thank you for fighting for Brownie and all your other charges under your diligent care!

14+kitties
November 19th, 2009, 10:55 AM
That vets comment about Brownie,would be the same as a doctor telling a mother"you have so many kids,if one dies it should not matter too much":sad:

Mmmm, I think I've heard that before. :D

I would have a hard time with my vet telling me that euth is a good decision without fully explaining why. I have seen my vet cry when she has had to put down an animal she has worked with .... it should not be an easy solution for the vet.
Thank you for fighting for Brownie and all your other charges under your diligent care!

I really think this vet is a little jaded. She sees a case where there is multiple cats and not a huge amount of funds available and she thinks that the person would not be willing to work to get the cat healthy. I guess she never met me before. :rolleyes: I'm sure if she has seen the cats for quite some time that she has feelings for that cat. At least I hope so.
I'm not sure she even thinks I took the cats to a vet before. :shrug:
And thank you QMC.

chico2
November 19th, 2009, 03:51 PM
My old vet from many years ago,cried with me,when,Sammy,Peppi and Cookie had to be put down,I am sure for many vets it's not an easy thing to do.

Usually a vet can tell what the owner is all about and this one is certainly wrong about you,she does not know how much you love all of them and what great care you take for all the kitties,money or not.