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longsally
October 17th, 2009, 02:36 PM
We adopted a small kitten today. This is my 4th cat in my lifetime and every cat I have ever brought home, I just showed them the litterbox and that was that. Well, This new baby was shown the litter box several times today and yet he pee'd on my bed. I immediately picked him up and placed him where the litterbox is ( I have another car for 3 years now) and I put his paws in the litter and scratched them in. He jumped out of the box and pooped on the floor next to the litterbox. I am perplexed. What am I doing wrong and how can I jump right on this problem? I dont want bad habits to start.

Bailey_
October 17th, 2009, 02:48 PM
I have three cats, and we have three litterboxes. Maybe get this new guy his own litterbox if this current one has been used by your older cat.

ancientgirl
October 17th, 2009, 06:19 PM
I agree. Some cats like their own box and won't share with others.

Also, be sure to clean the areas he already went on, or else he may pee there again.

14+kitties
October 17th, 2009, 07:58 PM
Rule of thumb with cats is one box per cat plus one extra. Some kitties don't like to use a box belonging to someone else. A box of his own is a must.
Can you find out what kind of litter the person who you got him from used and use the same for a while? That way it isn't a huge change from what he is used to. Also, is the box too high for him? I know you said he jumped out of the one but maybe he doesn't like having to struggle to get into it.
Don't put his new box close to the other one. If they are side by side there may be issues too. Clean the soiled spots with a cleaner that is ammonia free. You can use Nature's Miracle (expensive) or the home made recipe that one of our members shared with us.... 1/4 cup rubbing alcohol, 1/4 cup vinegar, 1 cup water mixed in a spray bottle and applied liberally to the spots kitty has soiled.
You didn't mention if the litterbox was clean or soiled when you put the kitten in it. It is imperative when the kittens are small to keep the box as clean as possible. It is also very important NOT to use clumping litter. Kittens have a habit of munching on the clay which can cause blockages in their bellies and possible death.

longsally
October 17th, 2009, 08:44 PM
well, he pee'd on my bed and I washed the comforter, sheets and matress pad. Where he pooped was on the mat that the litterbox sits on. I put him in the boys bathroom which is large with a small dish of food and water and a towel to surl up on. On the other side of the bathroom I took a pie tin and placed a thin layer of litter in it. I again sat him in it and put the claws through it. I geuss in the am, we will see what happens.

He is VERY small, and was a stray with others found on a local road. He was turned into animal control and the group I adopted him from informed me that the local animal shelter takes from them and the animals up for adoption today were the shelter rejects and were to be euthanized if not adopted. He is skin and bones...very small and very young. He has been fixed and is utd on shots as well as microchipped. I need to get him in to see the vet as well. She said no one wanted him because he is a black cat. It is the jewel green eyes that got my attention!!!

Anyway, like I said, I have never had this problem before and I guess I will have to see how it plays out.

Bailey_
October 17th, 2009, 08:47 PM
I'm sure some of our cat people here will have great suggestions for you as you monitor his progress. You've come to a great place for advice.

I just wanted to add = thankyou so much for rescuing this little sweetheart. Keep us posted on his progress, and we love pictures!! ;)What did you name him?

14+kitties
October 17th, 2009, 08:53 PM
If he was a feral kitten then yes, he would not know how to use the litterbox.
Especially if mom was not around to show him. :sad:
It is a good idea to give him a small room with his own food, water, bed and toys. The poor baby will be stressed if he is very young and away from all that is familiar.
Here are a couple of sites that may give you some ideas on training.

http://www.catsofaustralia.com/kitten_toilet_train.htm

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+2137&aid=3288

Once he gets the idea that he needs to use the box it shouldn't take long. I'm really surprised the rescue is adopting out black cats at this time of the year. In this area they refuse to adopt black cats in October. Thank you for adopting him. I'm sure once he figures out what he needs to do he is going to be a super kitty. My black guys are all so lovable.:cloud9:

longsally
October 17th, 2009, 08:59 PM
We named him Midnight and I would love to post a pic if someone would tell me how to!!! I might also ass that he is a SNUGGLER!!!!! He just wants to be held and cuddler and he sounds like a train with all that purring!!!!

longsally
October 17th, 2009, 09:18 PM
just fyi, I took pics of the cat and tried to upload them to show in my post and even though the pic was there, it says upload failed and still doesnt show a pic.

14+kitties
October 17th, 2009, 09:23 PM
How large was your file? The pic has to be within the size limitations for this site and darned if I can remember what that size is. Me, the picture taking queen!! :rolleyes: :laughing:
You could try to resize your pic and then uploading it again. See what happens. If that doesn't work I'm sure someone who can explain how to's better than I will be along soon.
Neat name for kitty. My black kitties are Orbit, Jupiter, and Kearn. They are, well two of them are, snugglebums. Orbit especially. Jup we are working on. :rolleyes:

ancientgirl
October 18th, 2009, 09:45 AM
OH, another black kitty! I have two of my own, Vlad and Oksana.

longsally
October 18th, 2009, 10:58 AM
ok, the pic finally loaded and there he is with my hand in there to show just how truly small he is.

catlover2
October 18th, 2009, 12:19 PM
He is a very small little guy! Thanks for rescuing this black beauty. I wouldn't use an aluminum pie tin for the litter, as most cats don't like scratching on it. Your litter box shouldn't have sides higher than 2 inches and should be at least 12" x 12" --- better box is too big than too small! If it's struggle for him to get into your litter box, yes he will take the easy way and do it outside of the box. You might try some "Cat Attract" litter http://www.preciouscat.com/ that some people say is successful at getting cat to go in the box.

You're right in wanting to get him trained correctly as quickly as possible before it becomes a bad habit. Do praise him lavishly when he does use the box. Good luck!

longsally
October 19th, 2009, 12:52 PM
I know im posting a lot but......the kitten has used the pie tin since that first night without any problems or accidents. I told hubby I thought we should continue on like this for a few more days. He also knows where the food and water are when he is out and about so, no problems there. So, how do I transition him out of his room and maje sure that he still knows where the litterbox is? and btw, can I put 2 box's side by side?

14+kitties
October 19th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Great job on kitty using the pie plate! Hopefully he now has the idea and can graduate to a big boy box. Is it possible to leave a box in "his" room for a while? That way he will remember where to go and will return there. It's possible if you move the box too quickly he will go to where it was and use that spot. He is just a baby and will not always remember.
It is not always advisable to have boxes side by side. If the kitties do not get along and they have to use the boxes in close proximity of the other it is possible they will revert to using other spots.
Keep up the good work!
And there is no such thing as posting too much!! :D

Love4himies
October 20th, 2009, 07:03 AM
One of my foster kittens wouldn't use a litterbox and I used a tinfoil cake pan that she used :shrug:. When she got bigger, I put a kitten litter box in her room.

While she is young, I would keep a couple of litter boxes around the house for her to use. She is still such a baby and doesn't have momma to show her that she should only use a litter box.

longsally
October 21st, 2009, 01:21 PM
ok, I brought the cat down out of the room to play and socialize with the other cat and I bought a small litterbox, VERY small plasic and filled it with about 2 inches of litter and the cat wanted nothing to do with it and jumped out like he did on day one!!!

Well, I brought it downstairs anyway and when I put him away for the night, that is the box that he will have and hopefully he will use it.

longsally
October 22nd, 2009, 09:54 AM
I just wanted to update everyone and let you know that the kitten is using the litterbox downstairs without a problem. He never goes far from us so I carry the one from upstairs down when he comes down. I am not comfortable yet with letting him have roam of the house when I am not here but maybe soon as he is doing so well!!!

pbpatti
October 22nd, 2009, 10:14 AM
good for Midnight..he is so tiny you need to carry him around, I don't imagine that he will be able to use stairs for some time yet. Give him a hug and smooch from me.

catlover2
October 22nd, 2009, 11:07 AM
Great news! :thumbs up....hope this is the beginning of a good pattern of behaviour. Do lavish him with praise when he uses the box. Lots of "good kitty's" and caresses. You're doing the right thing by making it convenient for him to have the box closeby. As he gets a little bigger and older, you can gradually move it to where you want it.

longsally
October 24th, 2009, 08:20 AM
I had him downstairs yesterday for a while and even left the house and let him have run of it. There did not seem to be a problem. The kitten is able to go up and down the stairs when he wants. So last night, I found the dried poop under the window and what appears to be a very small area of urine. Oh well, live and learn. When he comes down, so does the litterbox!!!

longsally
October 30th, 2009, 01:59 PM
I took midnight to the vet today for shots. I was telling the vet that if the cat is confined, that he uses the litterbox and when he is downstairs, he uses the litterbox I put out but if I just give him run of the house, he always has accidents. I asked her what I could do help train him. I told her that I was concerned that he was very little and maybe forgetting where the box was and I had never had a cat like that before. She looked at me and told me that the cat knows exactly where it is but just chooses not to use it and that I should never let the cat out unless I am watching it..

I am perplexed by her answer and now wonder if I have a cat that can never be trusted in the house. Is she right? I am confused.

catlover2
October 30th, 2009, 04:46 PM
I wouldn't say "never". He is still young, but you will have to watch him carefully. Praise him when he does do his business in the box. Male cats, for whatever reason, do seem to have litterbox issues more than females....that's my experience.

14+kitties
October 30th, 2009, 05:47 PM
Have you tried having a box in each room he visits? That may make it easier on you having to move it all the time. If he was a feral kitty or born outside to a mom who would have trained him to go wherever it probably will take a little longer.

MyBirdIsEvil
October 31st, 2009, 02:08 PM
That's kind of a stupid answer from your vet.

Yes, it is likely that she knows where the box is. What she doesn't know is that she's supposed to use it every single time, or she may not feel like going all the way to the box.

Usually with young kittens one box isn't sufficient, especially when you don't have other cats showing them correct behavior. Their attention span sucks and if there's not a box within close proximity and they really have to go they will have accidents. It may take a fairly long time for them to completely train. Some kittens catch on immediately some are slow learners.

It would help to have several boxes. Put them where she's likely to have accidents (corners are a common place). I usually move some used to litter to new boxes to get the smell in them (doesn't have to be dirty, just from a box that has been used, it will have enough smell), otherwise young kittens sometimes don't realize what they're for. The smell is often what will trigger them to use it, so also make sure to clean any spot they've had an accident really really good.

You also might try scooping the boxes several times a day, whether there's anything in them or not. It seems like cleaning the litterbox triggers them to use them. At that point you can give them a small treat for using it.

longsally
November 2nd, 2009, 02:49 PM
I just wanted to update you all. The cat appears to be completely housebroken and has run of the house. I moved the food and water down where the other cats is...no problem. Now, the litterbox is sitting in the boys bathroom and I would like to slowly move it to the laundry room where the other cats box is. Is the feasable? Is it possible that they might share one day if I put them side by side?

catlover2
November 2nd, 2009, 10:20 PM
Yes it's feasible, just do everything very gradually little by little. Depending on the temperament of the kitten, the laundry room isn't always the best place for a litter box, as the noise of washing machine and dryer may frighten and disturb the cat from wanting to use the litter box there. Some cats aren't bothered by the noise, but for others it would discourage them from using the box. Great to hear that he's using the box consistently now. You want to keep encouraging him.

longsally
November 3rd, 2009, 01:07 PM
so I went upstairs to scoop out the kittens litterbox and there was nothing in it. I was perplexed and I heard a noise and went to investigate. The kitten was using the other cats box!!!!!!!! If this keeps up, I am home free!!!!

14+kitties
November 3rd, 2009, 01:43 PM
That is wonderful news!! I would leave the box in the bathroom for a few more days to be on the safe side. If the kitten needs to use a box and runs to the bathroom expecting it to be there and it isn't he will use wherever he can. That would be a major set back for him.
After a few days you can start moving the box a few feet a day till it is where you want it. Smart kitty!! :cloud9:

dollface
November 12th, 2009, 12:37 AM
I've read that having a litter box on each floor of the house is a good idea, why not just leave it upstairs? Or have 2 on each floor of the house, that way (just in case) less accidents :)

longsally
November 12th, 2009, 10:02 AM
quick update: No accidents, no problems, kitten is using the one big bix and I removed the small one witho no difficulty!!!!! Midnight is doing so well and he is always playing with my other cat Tigger. One big happy family!!

catlover2
November 12th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Fantastic news! I think you're home free.
Thanks for the update...so many don't bother and leaves us wondering. :confused:

MyBirdIsEvil
November 15th, 2009, 03:38 PM
I would still keep 2 boxes, even if they're side by side. It's good to have a litterbox per cat. If one cat is using the litterbox and the other has to go you can have accidents. It also means each box will stay cleaner and the cats will be more likely to use it.
It may not be a huge issue right now, but once the kitten is an adult the box will get soiled more quickly and if it's not clean enough to their liking one of them may go somewhere else.

longsally
December 20th, 2009, 06:29 AM
Fantastic news! I think you're home free.
Thanks for the update...so many don't bother and leaves us wondering. :confused:

I may have spoken too soon......new problem. For the last 2 night the cat has jumped up and peed on my bed!~!!!!! why? what can I do? Hubby says to lock it up and start all over again. He isnt doing it anywhere else, just my bed and just at night while we are sleeping.

catlover2
December 20th, 2009, 07:03 AM
I think hubby's right, "lock him up and start all over". You don't want peeing on the bed to be a new behaviour. Nip it in the bud quickly. There's the slim chance that if he's peeing more than usual he may have a urinary infection. But he's still a young kitten, how old now? Anything else changed in the house he may be reacting too....new cat or dog or house visitor?

longsally
December 20th, 2009, 08:48 AM
well, 1st of all, right after I posted that, I found him in the litterbox pooping. He knows where he is supposed to go for sure. He is just doing it at night and aways on my bed and always just once. I think he is mad. 2nd, we have been letting our black lab into the house at night here cause it is so cold. They dont seem to mind eachother.


I dont know if locking him up or just barring him from our bedroom is the key. The rest of the time during the day, no problems.

catlover2
December 20th, 2009, 09:41 AM
Ah... so something has changed....the Lab is now in at night. Even tho you say "they don't seem to mind each other", to me it's obvious Midnight is "mad" and he's not happy with that arrangement. Maybe he feels threatened, insecure being alone with the dog? Do you have a dog crate or kennel that you can put the Lab in at night? Or confine the kitten somewhere in a warm spot away from the Lab? Perhaps if you put Midnight away with Tigger, he would be happier. I've always kept my cats out of the bedroom at night, but that's my choice. Hope you can get Midnight straightened around again. :fingerscr

longsally
December 21st, 2009, 02:30 PM
well, the lab stays downstairs and the cats stay upstairs. They are not around eachother at all unless they want to go get food. Interesting twist to the story, my hubby thinks that it might be our other cat that is mad!!!!! In either case, the cat has not peed on the bed in 2 days now. maybe it was an isolated thing?

catlover2
December 21st, 2009, 11:12 PM
So, do you know which one peed on the bed for sure?....was it Tigger or Midnight? Just curious why your hubby thought it was Tigger. Well, I hope they're OK again and no more accidents and that's the end of it. Let's :fingerscr!

longsally
December 23rd, 2009, 08:40 PM
ok, midnight for sure. Woke up this am with the wet spot again on the bed and then tonight, while I was folding clothes, the cat jumped up on the bed and right in front of me and hubby and kids, squatted and started to pee on the bed!!! Huby was mad, grabbed the cat, rubbed his face in the wet urine spot, yelled no and spanked him once and then put him right into the litter box where he promptly pooped. What the heck is going on? and btw, I wash the mattress pad, sheets and comforter every time he does this so there should not be an odor bringing him back.

14+kitties
December 23rd, 2009, 09:13 PM
You said the cats stay upstairs and the dog down unless the cats want food. Do the cats have to go downstairs and past the dog to get to the basement where their litter is? I would venture to say that is a huge part of the problem. Most likely the whole problem. What a dog does when it's humans are around is not what that same dog does when they are not around to intervene to stop it from being a dog. It is quite possible while you are sleeping at night the dog is terrorizing the kitten. It does not take much to make a small kitty petrified of a larger being, dog or human.
Which leads me to the next part....... rubbing a cat's nose in its pee does nothing but teach it to show fear for the person doing it to him and may possible lead to more issues. The cat has no idea why it's nose was rubbed into the urine. Also the yelling and spanking does no good. The kitten has no idea why it is being hit. The kitten at this age is the equivalent to a 3 or 4 month old human baby in age.
If we look at this from the kitten's point of view we will see it was quite settled and happy in the house and all of a sudden a large animal with the potential to hurt it badly was brought into the picture. The poor kitten has no idea how to react. He is afraid to go to his bathroom because he is afraid of this larger being. So he uses the closest thing he can find that resembles his bathroom. Unfortunately it's your bed.
Are you using something like Nature's Miracle to clean your sheets and mattress? You need to completely get rid of the smell of the kitty's urine. You may think it's gone because you can't smell it but the kitten may still be able to. A mixture of 1/4 cup vinegar, 1/4 cup rubbing alcohol, 1 cup of water mixed in a spray bottle and sprayed liberally on the areas the kitten has peed on will help eliminate the smell.

catlover2
December 23rd, 2009, 10:56 PM
Rubbing kitty's nose in urine, spanking it and yelling will not train kitty to behave; it will only make kitty stressed and anxious. I can understand how exasperated and frustrated you both are, but it's too bad your kids had to see your hubby loose his cool with Midnight and hope they don't model his behaviour.

You definitely want to get Midnight out of the habit of going on your bed. I really think to get kitty's mind off the bed you're going to have to keep him out of the bedroom completely as he seems to be very focused on peeing on the bed. You'll have to keep your bedroom door closed all the time. The bedroom should be off limits--you'll have to be consistent with this for any chance of success. Do you have a warm small room?---laundry room or bathroom--where you can put Midnight at night with Tigger to keep him company away from your Lab. Set it up with cat bed or blankets food, water and litterbox. (if he pees on his blankets or cat bed, put down a cardboard box on its side and put in some shredded newspaper). This should settle him down, and hopefully in six months he has forgotten about peeing on your bed. Hope this will be a solution to your problem.

longsally
December 24th, 2009, 07:16 AM
Laundry room is upstairs with the litterbox in it so the cat doesnt have to go anywhere near the dog to go to the bathroom. We did start locking the cat out of the bedroom. We started last night and I guess that we will have to keep him out. I am wondering if I have to close my door during the day as well as it seems he only does this at night...very odd. It will be interesting to see if this continues after the weather warms up and the dog goes back out at night,

catlover2
December 24th, 2009, 09:21 AM
I suggest you keep your bedroom door closed night and day. Why take a chance? And at night I would keep both Midnight & Tigger in the laundry room...does it have a door? It's possible the Lab roams around at night unless he's confined too, and a lot of dogs do love checking out litter boxes for "snacks". This kitty is in a crucial stage for correcting inappropriate peeing, and you need to be consistent and not give him any opportunities to slip up (enough litter boxes and cleaned out 2x/day). In my experience, generally speaking, male cats do have more problems with inappropriate elimination than female cats. That's why you have to be diligent and nip any unwanted peeing behaviour in the bud, and be consistent.

Hope your hubby is making up to Midnight by giving him extra loving and playing with him for his rough handling. :cat:

longsally
January 8th, 2010, 06:49 AM
well, I would like to have good news but.....We have locked both cats out at night. Midnight only pees on the bed once and only at night so both cats are on the bed during the day, no problem. Things have been good and then this am, I got up to help my youngest get dressed, went back to bed and.....yup.....you guessed it.....hubby was outraged and said that he wants the cat gone. I had a cat before I met him that I owned for 13 years and when he and I started dating, this cat was peeing in the dryer on clean clothes etc,.....we lived with it for years until he became ill and had to be euthenzed. Hubby stated he WILL NOT live with another cat with this behavior and he will not clean up after him for the next 14 years...I am very sad and unsure what else to do at this moment. It is not feasable to consider that I will be able to keep him out of our room all the time and the odor is becoming a problem. He also started to pee on the bean bags we have for the kids....we threw them out. I guess we are done.

catlover2
January 8th, 2010, 09:40 AM
:wall::wall: Why did you leave your bedroom door open so that he could pee on the bed? When I said previously you have to be consistent and not give him any opportunities to slip up, I meant not just for a few days or weeks, but in this case it may have to be for months or forever. Midnight has a thing about peeing on the bed and will do it every time there is a chance. Don't give it to him! Sorry, if I sound ticked, but it's not Midnight's fault here. If you want to keep this cat and hubby happy, I think you'll have to try harder.

lUvMyLaB<3
January 8th, 2010, 11:49 AM
Did you take him to the vet and have him checked for any urinary troubles? What do you feed him? Did you try a change in food? It is very possible peeing hurts, or did once while he was in the box, and now associates the pain with it.

You cant give up on him this soon. He is a baby. Did you try spraying the bed with a cat deterrant? There is a reason this is happening, and it likely has an easy fix, they deserve our time and effort to really try to figure it out and help them through it. He doesnt want to pee on your things and upset you, he doesnt understand. I also think that it is very unlikely he will pee on things forever, he is young, there is a solution, but you cant give up on him.

longsally
January 8th, 2010, 02:49 PM
well the thing is, he does not pee on anything else, not the kids beds, not the couch...just our bed!!!! I threw out the mattress pad since this am and put a clean new one on the bed along with new sheets and closed the door. I did all this just in case the smell was attracting him. Anyway, my 9 year old went into my room and left the door open and.....you guessed it....he went on the bed. My new sheets and pad are in the washer as we speak. Where can I get a spray deterent to try on the bed that will work but wont make my sheets smell bad for us? I have NO intentions of telling him about this last incident as I dont know the cat would make it through the night!!

longsally
January 8th, 2010, 05:25 PM
I also want to add that it was suggested to me that the cat is "marking" the bed as his since that is where the other cat likes to sleep. If that is the case, I am not sure that thee is anything to be done.

catlover2
January 8th, 2010, 06:55 PM
longsally, it doesn't matter what is the reason Midnight pees on the bed, the solution is to ban both cats from the bedroom period! Keep the bedroom door closed all the time, read the riot act to your kids. If this can't be done, maybe it is time to rehome Midnight, as the tension and anxiety between you and hubbby are not good for your marriage, or your kids. :2cents:

dollface
January 9th, 2010, 02:34 AM
Listen to catlover2 she knows what she is talking about :) I have trained my bf to keep the bedroom door closed to prevent accidents of jealousy, or no matter how loud Forest meows to be near someone while we sleep! Please don't give up! It can be fixed :goodvibes:

catlover2
January 13th, 2010, 07:10 AM
For those who are wondering about this kitten.....I sent longsally a pm, and things have clamed down and she's worked out a solution. Midnight sleeps on her son's bed without any more peeing incidents anywhere, and Tigger sleeps with her and hubby. She's going to cover the bed with a sheet of plastic during the day. Good for her! :thumbs up

longsally
January 31st, 2010, 06:16 PM
All is good here...last week, hubby was out of town and the kitten could not stop hitting the door, wanting in. I decided the heck with it and let him in. In one week now, he has not gone on my bed, even though the door is open. I am cautiously optimistic and hubby thinks that the problem may be over. I said if he starts up again, we can put him out again. So far, so good.

catlover2
January 31st, 2010, 11:11 PM
I'm wondering if it was the fact that your husband was away for a week that Midnight did not pee on the bed. Perhaps it was hubby's rough handling he was upset about and it was his way of showing it? I think I would keep your bedroom door closed just in case or put on the plastic sheet. I wouldn't want to take the chance so soon that he might revert back to his peeing. I 'm glad to hear your "cautiously optimistic" and I'm hopefull too that this is just a phase he's going through, and in time will forget this behaviour. :fingerscr Hang in there! :goodvibes:

longsally
February 11th, 2010, 05:06 PM
no, the cat was rough handles due to his peeing on the bed!!!! Anyhow, he seems to have stopped.

catlover2
February 12th, 2010, 11:53 PM
:thumbs up Happy to hear he's stopped peeing on the bed. That's great news. :):goodvibes:

longsally
April 8th, 2010, 04:09 PM
just another update.....NO more problems. He did go on the bed once for some unknown reason, we banned him for a week and then it stopped again. That was over 1 month ago. He is so snuggly and sleeps with me when I get home in the am from work.

catlover2
April 8th, 2010, 10:01 PM
That's gr8 news! thanks for the update. Glad to hear all is well and Midnight is a happy boy. Your patience and persistence paid off.

kungfuMao
April 8th, 2010, 10:58 PM
Awesome!! :thumbs up Don't you love it when a plan comes together?? :D