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Dog banning versus Responsibility

Terrie
August 19th, 2004, 06:02 PM
Where I live, recently we've had a huge problem with Pit bulls and rottis.
Last weekend, a man was rollerblading with his pit bull, when he lost his balance and stumbled to the ground, a lady saw this, tried to approach him to help him and his dog bit her... he gave the police a false name and address.
This weekend, some lady was walking her lil dog when a man approaching with his rotti told her to pick up her dog till he passed her, when she went to pick up her dog the rotti attacked her... This man gave a true address but left town. The dog was being watched by a friend who knew nothing of the incident.

Now our laws are in an uproar ... they want to ban pit bulls, muzzle all big dogs etc.... Personally, I walk my dog at 5:00am ( in the dark ) and refuse to muzzle my dog because he can't protect me or himself against possible attacks.

This is clearly not an animal problem but an owner problem..
All dog and cat owners should be registered and be accountable for their animals ...
It's known in one part of our town that pit bulls are used instead of weapons..
Teenagers walk around with the dog on a leash and just snare at people...
This is the "In thing" they don't love or care for the animal, they fight them and just use them as threats --- until the dog bites someone.

What's your opinion ?

melanie
August 19th, 2004, 06:16 PM
dont you have animal registration there?? you cant get away with out registering here in oz. all animals are registered and details kept on data base, the amount one pays for the service it is very well run. in australisa if a ranger catches you without a registerd dog, you get big fines (not such a big deal on farms though).
but i agree, maybe they should register the humans not the dogs, poor things. never a bad dog, just bad owners :mad:

Terrie
August 19th, 2004, 06:27 PM
No Melanie,
The rules here are very lax ...but because it's become such a problem, hopefully it will change..

Also a month ago a 5 year old small terrier was playing in her wire fenced back yard when two 7 month old pit bulls climbed the fence and in front of the terrier's masters ripped the dog apart... the owner of the pit bulls felt extremely bad and hurt but that didn't bring the terrier back and now the two pit bulls had to be put to sleep... these are just babies .... but it's in the genes .. that's all they know... shortly after that was in the Local news paper, the Humane Society had 11 pit bulls dropped off and left there.

How sad :( ,

heeler's rock!
August 19th, 2004, 11:14 PM
I totally disagree. Dogs are not bred to be vicious, and violent creatures. Any dog can be a threat, even a Yorkie, if it's trained to be so. Sure, some dogs have stronger tendencies to be dominant, or even vicious but I truly believe that with the proper training, diligence, and obedience, any dog can be friendly and lovable. Take dobermans for instance. I went to a lady's house a few days back and she has a big 8 mth old purebred doberman. He is the biggest suck I have ever met! Then, you have some not so nice and vicious dobermans. I have also met some fantastic pit bulls that are also purebred. I volunteer with a rescue group here in calgary and there was one staffordshire terrior we rescued who had been abused. She was the SWEETEST thing ever! She loved everybody and got along great with other dogs. It's up to us as dog owners to mold our dogs into what we want them to become, just like children. Although some things like dominance and agression are in dogs genes, we need to do our part to research the dog's breed/breeds before we get them and to know what we are getting into and what to watch for. A dog can be man's best friend, or man can be a dog's worst enemy.....

LavenderRott
August 20th, 2004, 01:07 AM
Tricia Barret of the Rottweiler Club of Canada's Breed Specific Legislation group spoke at the meeting in Windsor on Tuesday. Judging from the number of people who spoke out against BSL at that meeting and the responses of the committee members, I would be surprised if BSL was passed in Windsor.

It has been proven in a court of law, here in the U.S. that no breed is predisposed to being viscious based on genetics. It has also been proven in a court of law in the U.S. that animal control officers and veterinarians can not, consistantly and accurately, identify "pit bull" breeds.

ALL breeds of dogs bite. That is a plain and simple fact. To deem one breed more dangerous than another is shear folly. In 2002 an infant was killed by a pomeranian. Bigger dogs bite harder. Bigger dogs do more damage. These are simple facts. Since "pit bulls" are used to fight illegally, it is a bigger headline when a "pit bull" bites someone then it is when a labrador bites someone. This is a simple fact too.

Responsible owners are the key to stopping dog bites. Dogs need some things beyond the basic food, water, and shelter required by most cities. Dogs need human interaction and basic training. People need to realize that Lassie was a highly trained dog - not something that their family pet will just turn into one day with no help at all.

melanie
August 20th, 2004, 01:14 AM
thank you lavenderrot, very well put. never a bad dog, just bad owners.

SSAC
August 20th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Just FYI.....When I was an animal cruelty Investigator, I seized alot of pits. (there is a problem with fighting). During this time and handling many dogs, I never had a problem with any of the pits. Even the aggressive ones and the one that I had riding up front with me because I needed a quick get away. (wow, if I had a dollar for every time my life was threatened)...............
I have, however been bitten by the following:........................
Chihuahua
Shih Tzu
GSD
Shar pei
cats, cats, numerous cats
Chow
( this is over a course of 10+ years working in vet clinics also, so please don't think that I'm bad at handling dogs. I am the one that volunteers to handle the "problem dog", knowing full well the possible outcome).

Now because I was bitten by a GSD, are all GSD's vicious?.........NO!
again with Shih Tzu's.....................Hell no!

So why are all pits being tarred with the same brush?...... BAD OWNERS AND BAD BREEDING AND LACK OF EDUCATION WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
If pit bulls and other "dangerous" breeds are banned, do city officials really think that it would be the end of the problem? :rolleyes:

What would happen is that these dogs, would still be owned by the wrong people, hidden away from the mass population and most likely become placed in some very bad situations. The good owners will suffer from this bill, not to mention the good dogs. :mad:

When a less desirable member of the public says to an officer "you'll have to put a bullet in me before you get my dog, I've made too much off him". You know that these people are not going to just hand them over when the bill comes into effect. They will most likely be hidden away in basements, barns etc, chained up or crated 24/7 going insane. :mad:

In the U.K, you have to go through intense interviewing and reviews before you can have a "dangerous breed" and show your licence for that breed to anyone that asks. May be this is an alternative to banning???? :confused:
Although a more costly one.

If it wasn't for Pits, the humane societies would have no dogs to adopt out......very sad :( I think that speaks volumes about ownership. Too bad we can't ban the bad owners.

There are more good pits out there than bad. Unfortunately bad ones make good media ratings. :(

glasslass
August 20th, 2004, 01:04 PM
A dog can be man's best friend, or man can be a dog's worst enemy.....


I love that quote! So true!

Terrie
August 20th, 2004, 06:41 PM
Very Informative SSAC and thanks ...

SSAC
August 24th, 2004, 01:48 AM
you are very welcome terrie :)

iRONKNiGHT
August 24th, 2004, 05:05 AM
lol you guys trying to compare cat's with Dog's LOL
i'v never seen or heard of a cat jumping out from behind a fence and maul'ed a jogger or just someone walking by..
i've never seen or heard of a cat chasing down someone the street..
i've never seen a cat put someone in the hospital..
i can go on forever on this....
what i've seen is and i asume you're talking about stray cat's..
when i walk down the sidewalk and a stray sees you, they would run under a car and hide until you pass.. i've yet to see a Big dog like a "Pitt bull" or "Rotti" do that...
i've never seen or even heard of a "CAT" jump out and claw'ed a "Pitt Bull" too death but we all know for a fact that dog's kills cats..not the other way around..

so Pretty please with a Cherry on top.. leave cat's out of this!!!

iRONKNiGHT
August 24th, 2004, 05:20 AM
maybe they should register the humans
LOL umm what do you call that paper your parents get for you when you're born? i think it's a Birth Certificate which then is used to register your baby at the Division Registrar’s (municipal) office...
(ps: i'm just being cheeky melanie)

chico2
August 24th, 2004, 09:49 AM
Actally Knight,it's not entirely true....I've ended up twice in hospital from cat-bites :D My Rocky on two occasions,reacted to a situation outside,became like a crazed wild animal and attacked me...the first time I had deep gashes on my legs arms,tummy etc...the second time he just got my ankle,but I had to go to the hospital both times and then a wound specialist,the bites were very deep and infected.Cat bites are very dangerous and could probably kill a person.
Not that I believe cats would ever stand a chance against an angry dog,or attack soomeone on the street :eek:
Yes,Rocky is still with me and I love him bundles just the same...I know now what his problem was and am very careful not to get into that situation again.

Writing4Fun
August 24th, 2004, 11:10 AM
With all due respect, Knight :) , I have now met 2 cats that stood their ground, backs arched, hissing and spitting, instead of running for cover when I approached. In one situation, the cat (a neighbor's intact male :mad: ) was in my backyard. My dog tried to chase him (as dogs will do with intruders in their own yard) but instead of running he turned and attacked my dog (she had a couple of nice gashes across her nose). When I came out to shoo him away, he turned on me. He only left after I brought my dog inside and started making loud noises from a safe distance (other neighbors have BB guns, which I know he was familiar with :( ). The second happened just yesterday! I pulled into my sister's driveway and saw one of her neighbor's cats preparing to foul her flowerbed. I approached with the intention of scaring him off. He stood his ground, arched back, hissing. We stayed that way for quite some time, since he was right by the front door and I didn't dare get any closer! I had to actually throw something at him (no, I didn't aim at him, just near him) to get him to move out of the way! Neither of these cats was a stray. I know exactly who their owners are. :rolleyes:

Cinnabear
August 24th, 2004, 12:38 PM
I was helping my dd with papers and saw this cat attack my dd. They use their claws and do bite. And it does hurt too.

iRONKNiGHT
August 24th, 2004, 01:50 PM
Cinnabear i have a BIG kitten she's like a MUTANT..she bites and claws me all the time i really enjoy it!!

as for Chico and Writing4fun lol .. i am soo touched i feel your pain's on such tragic accidents i can only imagine how "traumatize" you guys have been...............LOL... hahahah i am kidding i love you guys! i just had to laugh... it really sounds funny even tho i am sure it was not at the moment!

glasslass
August 24th, 2004, 01:58 PM
When Den-Den3 was about a year old, this large yellowish grey cat (no tail) came into our yard. The cat jumped Den-Den and the poor pup was ki-yi'g and they were rolling on the ground. I yelled at them to break it up and the cat came after me. I grabbed something, don't remember what now to try to keep it away while I got Den-Den inside. That cat still came after us and stuck his head through the doggie door. Terrified me! I got the doggie door locked. Never saw it again after that. We always refer to it as "the bahboola kitty!"

debanneball
August 24th, 2004, 02:01 PM
To SSAC, well, sounds like you're full of wounds. :eek: Actually a runt jack russell bit our mail lady last week (truly, she's the runt of the litter). The pup's name is Melanie, but on the street we call her Terror. I have a 9 month GSD, and I realize that when she's older, I will have to muzzel her, both for my benefit and for the strangers we will meet on our walks. I believe that is the responsible thing to do, you never know. Right now she's okay...she is afraid of dogs she doesn't know, will bark at strangers if they say BOO, but if they ignore her and we chat, she's fine. :rolleyes:

chico2
August 24th, 2004, 02:26 PM
The truth is really,any animal if frightened or cornered,will go into defense mode.In a cat hissing and an arched back,means stay away!A calm happy cat will more than likely never hurt anyone,my Rocky was special circumstances,he is normally just a big old cuddle-bug.

Freyja
August 24th, 2004, 02:27 PM
I learned the hard way about how bad a cat can attack when I was about 9. My siamese was under the car yowling at another cat, I went to "rescue" her and she turned on me. I can still see the scars on the inside of my arms today from where she gashed me and that was 30 years ago!!

Writing4Fun
August 24th, 2004, 02:39 PM
The truth is really,any animal if frightened or cornered,will go into defense mode.In a cat hissing and an arched back,means stay away!

Granted, and I would never corner an animal. These cats were not cornered - had more room than I did to turn tail and run! In the case of the cat in my yard - this is a very large, open back yard. Any other cat would have turned and run long before I got close enough. This cat was just nasty. He had a history of attacking neighborhood cats, as well as dogs and people for no apparent reason. the only explanation I have is that he was not neutered, and his testosterone made him more agressive than a neutered male. The cat at my sister's house is little more than a kitten (maybe 10-11 mths old). I don't know if he's been neutered yet, so that might explain his behaviour as well.

SSAC
August 24th, 2004, 07:39 PM
Was putting a catheter in an 18yr cat, in renal failure, for euthanasia afew years ago. Got bit, nearly lost my finger due to the huge amounts of bacteria in kitties mouth. Still have quite the scaring and it happened 1 week before my wedding. Needless to say, that hand was hid in all the pics :D

If anyone has seen the movie "brain Candy", the part with "cat on my head, cat on my head, cat on my head" can really happen. LOL :D
Just try to capture, handle, spay and release a feral cat! Give me a pissed off dog anyday! :p


As for being full of wounds.........I do wonder, when people see my arms, if they think I might be a "cutter"? :o LOL

LavenderRott
August 24th, 2004, 07:52 PM
To SSAC, well, sounds like you're full of wounds. :eek: Actually a runt jack russell bit our mail lady last week (truly, she's the runt of the litter). The pup's name is Melanie, but on the street we call her Terror. I have a 9 month GSD, and I realize that when she's older, I will have to muzzel her, both for my benefit and for the strangers we will meet on our walks. I believe that is the responsible thing to do, you never know. Right now she's okay...she is afraid of dogs she doesn't know, will bark at strangers if they say BOO, but if they ignore her and we chat, she's fine. :rolleyes:

I am not sure why you are "planning" to muzzle your dog when it gets older. Was this dog poorly bred and has an unstable temperment? Is there some sort of problem that makes training impossible?

I have owned my rottweiler for seven of the ten years of her life. She has NEVER worn a muzzle, nor will she ever wear one. She has always been a welcome visitor where ever she has gone due to her training.