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Something for chico2...and anyone else who wants a peek...

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:03 AM
hazel went to the Butterfly House at the Beaver Creek Reserve today
and was reminded of chico2 everywhere she turned.

chico, you'd love this place!! There were monarchs everywhere!

There were monarchs on parsley...
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...on asters...
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...and on lantana.
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hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:05 AM
There were old monarchs...
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...and young monarchs.
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MyBirdIsEvil
August 24th, 2009, 12:09 AM
Cools pics.

I haven't seen any monarchs around this year. I want to know where they're at :yell:

Maybe it's partially because I don't have many flowers this year. My petunias croaked when it hit 107 degrees awhile back and I didn't replace them. My hostas went downhill when it got to 107 too, but they're perking back up again and flowering.
Usually I see some butterflies around my hummingbird feeders but all I'm seeing are hummingbirds and not even many of them this year :shrug:

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:10 AM
There were monarchs on lobelia.

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hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:14 AM
The black-eyed susans were hosting a few...
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...as were the hollyhocks...
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...and a few monarchs even visited the nectar feeders.
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hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:19 AM
But mostly, there were monarchs on the Joe-Pye weed!

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growler~GateKeeper
August 24th, 2009, 12:23 AM
Wow that's a lot of Monarchs! :thumbs up Do they have other kinds of bflys there too?

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:26 AM
madame hazel is going to try to remind me to get some Joe-Pye weed for the garden next year...
I couldn't believe how the monarchs went after it! :eek:

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Once the season is over (I think the week after Labor Day), they take the mesh cover off the butterfly house and let the butterflies go.
The monarchs will fly south to Mexico and return next year.
So maybe next spring, some of these very monarchs will stop at your house, chico! :cloud9:

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:30 AM
Cools pics.

I haven't seen any monarchs around this year. I want to know where they're at :yell:

Maybe it's partially because I don't have many flowers this year. My petunias croaked when it hit 107 degrees awhile back and I didn't replace them. My hostas went downhill when it got to 107 too, but they're perking back up again and flowering.
Usually I see some butterflies around my hummingbird feeders but all I'm seeing are hummingbirds and not even many of them this year :shrug:
107!!!!! *gasp* Way too hot for life! :eek:

We've had an exceptionally moderate summer, though, MBIE, and we haven't seen monarchs in any great numbers, either. I have to go to the Reserve to see them :D

Hummingbirds, however, are another matter. We're still hanging nectar for the migrating birds--the migration is starting to wind down, though. Going through less than a gallon of nectar a day now.

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Wow that's a lot of Monarchs! :thumbs up Do they have other kinds of bflys there too?

Funny you should ask! :whistle:

:laughing:

Eastern comma butterfly partaking of a little yummy rotting apple core. :eeew: :o
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A cabbage white on some goldenrod.
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MyBirdIsEvil
August 24th, 2009, 12:35 AM
As far as butterfly attracting flowers go my Bougainvillea always attracted a ton of different butterflies (and lots of monarchs) and hummingbirds. I just ordered a new one since the last one I brought in for the winter the cats knocked off a cabinet and then my dog ate it :rolleyes:
I can never find them at any garden stores or anything (though that's where I got my first one) but you can order them online and they're stunning.

They don't survive the winters, but they're super easy to keep potted, cut back and bring in over the winter. Just over the summer they will grow into a huge vine (just attach them to a trellis or something) and grow lots of flowers. They're a low water plant too, which is nice.

Not trying to threadjack, I just had to share since that's my favorite flower and I try to convince everyone else to get one :laughing:
Maybe if more people buy them more stores will carry them.

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:39 AM
A mustard white on tall boneset.
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Two cabbage whites ensuring the next generation (cover your eyes! :eek: :o).
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And two star-crossed lovers... :laughing: A bit of a mismatch, but they say opposites attract. :o
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hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:45 AM
There was a clear-winged sphinx moth hanging around just outside the butterfly house,
partaking of some phlox and totally unconcerned that there were a bunch of pesky humans gathered around with cameras. :D
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And finally, inside the butterfly house but not a butterfly, I found this character. :lovestruck:
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hazel loves walking sticks!
The walking sticks aren't a planned part of the show--they just make their way inside and hang out with the visitors. :thumbs up

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 12:46 AM
As far as butterfly attracting flowers go my Bougainvillea always attracted a ton of different butterflies (and lots of monarchs) and hummingbirds. I just ordered a new one since the last one I brought in for the winter the cats knocked off a cabinet and then my dog ate it :rolleyes:
I can never find them at any garden stores or anything (though that's where I got my first one) but you can order them online and they're stunning.

They don't survive the winters, but they're super easy to keep potted, cut back and bring in over the winter. Just over the summer they will grow into a huge vine (just attach them to a trellis or something) and grow lots of flowers. They're a low water plant too, which is nice.

Not trying to threadjack, I just had to share since that's my favorite flower and I try to convince everyone else to get one :laughing:
Maybe if more people buy them more stores will carry them.
Low maintenance, eh? Sounds like hazel's kind of plant! How do you keep them over winter? And does that mean you keep them in a pot when they're outside all summer?

MyBirdIsEvil
August 24th, 2009, 12:50 AM
Well, you CAN plant them in the ground, but then you have to dig them up and bring them in for the winter, which disturbs their root system and they have kind of sensitive roots, so I don't do that.

They do just fine in a pot all summer and will still grow into a long vine, that's how I grow them.
When it starts to get cold you cut the vine back to about a foot and bring it in the house over the winter. If it's in a warm room with lots of sunlight it might keep growing but usually they just go dormant until you bring them outside when it gets warm again.

I ordered mine from here http://www.bgi-usa.com/, and they also have all kinds of info on care.

My plant ships out tuesday so I'll see then in what condition and stuff it gets here. They had lots of good reviews though.

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2009, 01:02 AM
Let me know! Will you start them outside this fall already?

growler~GateKeeper
August 24th, 2009, 01:19 AM
Cool Walking Stick :cool: :D

MyBirdIsEvil
August 24th, 2009, 02:55 AM
Let me know! Will you start them outside this fall already?

Yeah. It should have a couple of months out there, it usually stays warm here for awhile.

I'll post pics when I get it, it's kind of a neat white and pink strain. The normal ones are just pink.

It MIGHT keep growing in my house because I'm going to put it in my back room where it will be fairly warm and I'll have plant lights up for my tropical plants, but they're hard to grow indoors, so we'll see.

chico2
August 25th, 2009, 08:31 AM
Aww Hazel,thank you for telling me,I blame getting a new PC etc..
Beautiful,beautiful pics and yes,I would have loved it:lovestruck:

It seems I am getting more Monarchs right now,a little late,isn't it?
Any plant I buy has to say"attracts Butter-Flies".
We have a Butterfly-place here too not too far away.
Maybe we'll go before they are all gone.

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 09:22 AM
Look at all those beautiful butterfly's!! and a walking stick? don't think I have ever saw one.

I love the marking of the caterpillar on the leaf :thumbs up

hazelrunpack
August 25th, 2009, 11:20 AM
I thought you might enjoy them, chico! :cloud9: I wasn't expecting quite that many of them.

It seems I am getting more Monarchs right now,a little late,isn't it?


I think it's about the right time for them to head south. Around here, the major push is through September. :thumbs up

When I buy plants, I look for the ones with both hummer and butterfly markers on them! :laughing: I may just buy a flat from a catalogue nursery cuz we're so far from the place that sells native plants here. But every time I go into town, I try to find at least one plant to bring home. :D

Look at all those beautiful butterfly's!! and a walking stick? don't think I have ever saw one.

I love the marking of the caterpillar on the leaf :thumbs up

Walking sticks are really cool! We get them here, too, only ours are green and not quite that big.

The caterpillar is a monarch-in-waiting...you should have seen the milkweed plants in the butterfly house--chewed to ribbons! :laughing: I think they need more milkweed plants if they're going to have that many monarchs again next year. :o

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 12:26 PM
are they always that color??

The monarch caterpillar

the only caterpillars we see have very fuzzy fur in all colors.
the one I saw this morning that Archer wanted to eat :frustrated: was a pale yellow with long black kinda spikes coming out of it's back

hazelrunpack
August 25th, 2009, 01:32 PM
I think the monarch caterpillar might start out brown when it's very small, then turns greener with the striping as it grows. But that's just a guess--I don't remember for sure. :o

Bendyfoot might know. I think she's into bugs. :D

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 01:44 PM
I think the monarch caterpillar might start out brown when it's very small, then turns greener with the striping as it grows. But that's just a guess--I don't remember for sure. :o

Bendyfoot might know. I think she's into bugs. :D


BENDY Where are you????

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 01:56 PM
AAAKK!!!! I'm here, I'm here!!!

Even little wee bitty baby monarch caterpillars have the distinct white/yellow/black stripes...it's their defense mechanism: a bright, bold warning that says "DANGER! I'M POISONOUS!!!"

hazelrunpack
August 25th, 2009, 02:03 PM
Cool! Tri-colors from birth! :highfive: :laughing:

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 02:05 PM
:laughing:

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 02:09 PM
Bendy what about pale yellow caterpillars with black spikes coming out of their backs. what kind of butterfly's are they??

guess I will have to tell Archer that they are not good to eat or play with. lol lol

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 02:15 PM
are the spikes fuzzy or just extensions of the skin?

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 02:17 PM
are the spikes fuzzy or just extensions of the skin?


fuzzy...........

I should have gotten a picture butIwas more worried that Archie was going to eat it.

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 02:20 PM
was the yellow part fuzzy too? (Fuzzy anything means it's a moth, not a butterfly...)

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 02:21 PM
was the yellow part fuzzy too? (Fuzzy anything means it's a moth, not a butterfly...)


very very fuzzy like winter coat fuzzy

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 02:23 PM
Dagger Moth (http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i.pbase.com/o4/48/95248/1/21740223.pmAGDUK5.21740223.AmericanDaggerMoth.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/21740223&usg=__CzXDSFf7G5eYBiZlcDXN9Mnrl20=&h=367&w=500&sz=109&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=U74iSl6YZnFIDM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddagger%2Bmoth%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26s a%3DG)

Banded Tussock Moth (http://butterfly-fun-facts.com/images/banded.tussock.moth.larva.6.jpg)

Yellow-based tussick moth (http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.richard-seaman.com/Arthropods/Usa/Caterpillars/NorthernIllinois/YellowBasedTussockMoth.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.richard-seaman.com/Arthropods/Usa/Caterpillars/PhotoGalleries/index.html&usg=__fvfBoSUUUVF9VbudPCo-33iaTAk=&h=705&w=983&sz=104&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=57VAacFLUgg1nM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dyellow%2Btussock%2Bmoth%26hl%3Den%26u m%3D1)

hazelrunpack
August 25th, 2009, 02:30 PM
(Fuzzy anything means it's a moth, not a butterfly...)
Really? So woolly bears are actually moths in the making? I love woolly bears :flirt:

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Yep! They actually turn into rather pretty yellow tiger moth...

Wolly Bear on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrharctia_isabella)

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 02:36 PM
like the dagger moth but much much paler.


so it's a moth??:sad: and here I though it would be a beautiful colorful butterfly and that the fuzzyness meant a lot of snow this winter..
silly me. old wife's tales, shouldn't listen to them. snif snif

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 02:43 PM
Pale dagger moth (http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://bugguide.net/images/raw/SZTLZZELZZ9LMRUL7ZQHIZBLIZCLRZPLYLCZSRTZXRCZ4RLH6R RH8RDL8RTZMRNLJLWLIZ1LIZBL.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bugguide.net/node/view/34497&usg=__v9c6CxYGVfDSeGo_gsnLWzgmgis=&h=362&w=560&sz=283&hl=en&start=61&um=1&tbnid=NTMJvYRPuSUA5M:&tbnh=86&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddagger%2Bmoth%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%2 6sa%3DN%26start%3D54%26um%3D1)

Bright dagger moth (http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://k43.pbase.com/v3/70/406470/1/47187572.IMG_3600cr.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pbase.com/rneubig/image/47187572&usg=__aUJejvmEOUMKNc2z_-22srIYMkA=&h=340&w=512&sz=59&hl=en&start=42&um=1&tbnid=t2qJRcTSCjjx1M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddagger%2Bmoth%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%2 6sa%3DN%26start%3D36%26um%3D1)

Looks like the yellow shade can vary a bit, some are very vivid yellow!

:D I'd never heard that tale about the fuzziness meaning a cold winter!:D

The moth is still pretty...subtle, but really extensive markings...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Acronicta.psi.7153.jpg

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 02:55 PM
well he is in a tree out back and arch did NOT eat it sothe moth will be safe from the jaws of archie:D:D

and it was as pale as this guy ---->:goodvibes:

bendyfoot
August 25th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Tell Arch moths taste :yuck::yuck::yuck: :laughing:

breeze
August 25th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Tell Arch moths taste :yuck::yuck::yuck: :laughing:

I did.... I did.....

the moth is safe. this time.:D

hazelrunpack
August 25th, 2009, 03:03 PM
Yep! They actually turn into rather pretty yellow tiger moth...

Wolly Bear on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrharctia_isabella)
Wow! As many woolly bears as I see each year, I don't think I've ever seen a moth like that. Most of ours are pale tan or white...unless they're Cecropias, Lunas or Polyphemus moths, anyway. :D