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Need Advice on teeth and cat supplements

Tundra_Queen
August 9th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Hi

I would like ask if anyone gives their cats salmon oil. What kind and how much?

Also does anyone use the teeth cleaning drops in water? How do u like them and what are they called?

What about yogart? Do u use it, what kind and how much?

Do u give any other kinds of vitamins or supplements to your cats?

Thanks for any info u can give me.

Debbie

Dr Lee
August 9th, 2009, 10:02 PM
Great questions.

1) Fish oils. They are great! We have a article on Pets.Ca regarding fish oils: Essential Info on Essential Fatty Acids (http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=59220). I also have this on my website which has links to a brand that I trust and recommend: Acerlux Fish Oil Article (http://www.acerlux.com/petscaarticles/omegafishoils.html).

2) I am not familiar with drops added to the water however there is a holistic spray that is used to disintegrate plaque and tartar. Here is the link: Leba III (http://www.lebalab.com/)

3) Yogurt. If you are looking for the benefits of a probiotic, human probiotics are different from feline probiotics. I have have good luck with Proviable in cats but there are several brands out there that are more specific for dogs and cats. Research is still actively being done in this direction. Link: Proviable (http://nutramaxanimalhealth.com/Products/Proviable-dc.aspx)

4) Other vitamins? I don't generally recommend additional vitamins if the pet is on a high quality canned food. I do strongly recommend the use of canned food over dry food. It is much closer to what they get in the wild and there is much speculation that dry food use may be an underlying cause or factor of obesity and diabetes in cats.

Hope this helps. :pawprint:

Tundra_Queen
August 10th, 2009, 05:27 PM
Thank you so much Dr. Lee!

My cats all eat canned food now.

My older cat Willie, 7 has only been eating wet for about 10 months, since I got the 2 kittens last september. I'm slowly trying him to eat ground chicken mixed in with canned food but it is a very slow process.

Unfortuantely I can only get walmart brands or whiskas, fancy feast and friskas up here. I live in a very small town and the closest city is 2 hrs away and we don't drive. So that is the reason I was thinking Willie might need vitamins.

The younger cats do eat pieces of raw meat, stewing beef, chicken etc.

I was also wondering about glucosimine as willie seems to be getting stiff when he climbs up our stairs.

Thank u for the links, I will check them out.

Debbie :)

sugarcatmom
August 10th, 2009, 05:31 PM
I would like ask if anyone gives their cats salmon oil. What kind and how much?

I do on occasion, but he's not a fan of fish and I have to mix it with something he can't resist, like chicken baby food. I like Genuine Health Omega3 extra strength (http://www.genuinehealth.com/o3mega-extra-strength.html) because it uses sardines and anchovies instead of salmon, which is a little better for the environment. It also comes in capsules, and therefore is less likely to go rancid. If you do get an oil in a pump bottle, keep it in the fridge and only get the smallest size bottles. With the capsules, just prick the end with a pin and squeeze a few drops into some food. If your cat likes it, you can increase the amount.

Also does anyone use the teeth cleaning drops in water? How do u like them and what are they called?

Nope, don't use them. A cat eating mostly wet food isn't going to be drinking enough extra water for it to be beneficial. I also don't like some of the ingredients in them, like sodium benzoate. A decent product, if your cats are okay with you handling their mouths, is Biotene Veterinary Maintenance gel (http://www.entirelypets.com/biomaintgel.html).

If you feel up to the challenge, you could try brushing their teeth. There's a great video by Cornell University on how to go about it: http://partnersah.vet.cornell.edu/pet/fhc/brushing_teeth

Raw chicken necks and gizzards are another possible tool in the dental care arsenal.

What about yogart? Do u use it, what kind and how much?

As an occasional treat, a tsp or 2 of plain yogurt is fine, but for the probiotics, I prefer capsules from the health food store. My favourite is Natural Factor's Ultimate Multi, which contains 12 billion organisms of 12 different types. You only need the smallest pinch (like 1/6th of a cap) per dose.

Do u give any other kinds of vitamins or supplements to your cats?

I think any extra supplements/vitamins should be tailored to the specific cat's needs. For instance, Coenzyme Q10 and/or extra taurine if a cat has cardiomyopathy, or colostrum if it has a weakened immune system, lysine if herpes is an issue, glucosamine/chondroitin in elderly cats with arthritis..... There are lots of little extras that could be used, with the proper research and after talking to your vet.

MadeleineI
August 10th, 2009, 06:57 PM
I question whether there is such a thing as a good commercial cat food. The best meat always goes for the pricier human food, so most commercial pet food takes the discarded food. The other thing is it's cooked. Cooking destroys enzymes and other nutrients. Cats evolved on raw meat and bones. Crunching up on bones is the best way to keep their teeth clean. A variety of quality raw meat will provide most of their nutritional needs, but a supplement or two can be helpful as long as it's from a natural raher than synthetic source. I prefer to give whole food rather than separated, so although salmon oil is good, fresh whole salmon is better!

Tundra_Queen
August 10th, 2009, 08:26 PM
I do on occasion, but he's not a fan of fish and I have to mix it with something he can't resist, like chicken baby food. I like Genuine Health Omega3 extra strength (http://www.genuinehealth.com/o3mega-extra-strength.html) because it uses sardines and anchovies instead of salmon, which is a little better for the environment. It also comes in capsules, and therefore is less likely to go rancid. If you do get an oil in a pump bottle, keep it in the fridge and only get the smallest size bottles. With the capsules, just prick the end with a pin and squeeze a few drops into some food. If your cat likes it, you can increase the amount.



Nope, don't use them. A cat eating mostly wet food isn't going to be drinking enough extra water for it to be beneficial. I also don't like some of the ingredients in them, like sodium benzoate. A decent product, if your cats are okay with you handling their mouths, is Biotene Veterinary Maintenance gel (http://www.entirelypets.com/biomaintgel.html).

If you feel up to the challenge, you could try brushing their teeth. There's a great video by Cornell University on how to go about it: http://partnersah.vet.cornell.edu/pet/fhc/brushing_teeth

Raw chicken necks and gizzards are another possible tool in the dental care arsenal.



As an occasional treat, a tsp or 2 of plain yogurt is fine, but for the probiotics, I prefer capsules from the health food store. My favourite is Natural Factor's Ultimate Multi, which contains 12 billion organisms of 12 different types. You only need the smallest pinch (like 1/6th of a cap) per dose.



I think any extra supplements/vitamins should be tailored to the specific cat's needs. For instance, Coenzyme Q10 and/or extra taurine if a cat has cardiomyopathy, or colostrum if it has a weakened immune system, lysine if herpes is an issue, glucosamine/chondroitin in elderly cats with arthritis..... There are lots of little extras that could be used, with the proper research and after talking to your vet.

Thanks so much for your answers SM.

For the fish oil is cod liver oil ok for cats? I take it, but I'm not sure about giving it to the cats.

Is Genuine Health Omega3 extra strength available in heath food sotres or at the vets?

About brushing the cats' teeth umm I sort of like my fingers attached! :laughing: I think I could get away with it with the 3 younger ones, but NOT Willie!

I do feed Mirabelle and O'Shawnnessey raw chicken giblets, but willie won't eat them and I haven't gotten Darby to eat any yet.

I will look into the probiotics at the health food store too.

Thanks so much!
Debbie :)

Tundra_Queen
August 10th, 2009, 08:30 PM
I question whether there is such a thing as a good commercial cat food. The best meat always goes for the pricier human food, so most commercial pet food takes the discarded food. The other thing is it's cooked. Cooking destroys enzymes and other nutrients. Cats evolved on raw meat and bones. Crunching up on bones is the best way to keep their teeth clean. A variety of quality raw meat will provide most of their nutritional needs, but a supplement or two can be helpful as long as it's from a natural raher than synthetic source. I prefer to give whole food rather than separated, so although salmon oil is good, fresh whole salmon is better!
http://bestcathealth.blogspot.com

Thank u for the link. I will check it out. :) I do try and fed them raw as often as I can, but Willie won't eat it at all.

SM, I forgot to thank u for the links too. I will check those out also.

Debbie :)

sugarcatmom
August 11th, 2009, 05:16 PM
I swore I made this post yesterday, but I must have hit the "preview" button instead of "submit". D'oh! :loser:

For the fish oil is cod liver oil ok for cats? I take it, but I'm not sure about giving it to the cats.

I would stick with the fish body oils rather than fish liver oil. Cod liver oil is quite high in vitamin A, and because it's a fat soluble vit, it can accumulate to toxic levels if too much is given.

Is Genuine Health Omega3 extra strength available in heath food sotres or at the vets?

From a health food store. There should be lots of other brands available (Natural Factor's is good, so is Nordic Naturals) if you can't find the Genuine Health one. As Dr. Lee mentioned, make sure it only contains omega3, not 6 and 9.

About brushing the cats' teeth umm I sort of like my fingers attached! :laughing: I think I could get away with it with the 3 younger ones, but NOT Willie!

Tell me about it! Ain't no way I'm brushing my cat's teeth either. It just stresses us both out so much that the damage it does to our bond isn't worth it. Instead I give him C.E.T. dental chews (http://www.virbacvet.com/cet/product/cet_oral_hygiene_chews_for_cats_poultry/31/), which he thinks are absolutely the best treat on the planet. They aren't going to eliminate the need for regular dental check-ups, but maybe they'll help keep some of the tartar at bay. I order mine online because they cost twice as much from the vet clinic. Anyway, I still like that Cornell video for the gentle approach it takes in trying to get a cat used to teeth brushing.

I do feed Mirabelle and O'Shawnnessey raw chicken giblets, but willie won't eat them and I haven't gotten Darby to eat any yet.

Ah well, you never know, maybe over time Willlie and Darby will learn from the other 2. Cats can be funny like that!

Tundra_Queen
August 16th, 2009, 05:53 AM
I swore I made this post yesterday, but I must have hit the "preview" button instead of "submit". D'oh! :loser:



I would stick with the fish body oils rather than fish liver oil. Cod liver oil is quite high in vitamin A, and because it's a fat soluble vit, it can accumulate to toxic levels if too much is given.



From a health food store. There should be lots of other brands available (Natural Factor's is good, so is Nordic Naturals) if you can't find the Genuine Health one. As Dr. Lee mentioned, make sure it only contains omega3, not 6 and 9.



Tell me about it! Ain't no way I'm brushing my cat's teeth either. It just stresses us both out so much that the damage it does to our bond isn't worth it. Instead I give him C.E.T. dental chews (http://www.virbacvet.com/cet/product/cet_oral_hygiene_chews_for_cats_poultry/31/), which he thinks are absolutely the best treat on the planet. They aren't going to eliminate the need for regular dental check-ups, but maybe they'll help keep some of the tartar at bay. I order mine online because they cost twice as much from the vet clinic. Anyway, I still like that Cornell video for the gentle approach it takes in trying to get a cat used to teeth brushing.



Ah well, you never know, maybe over time Willlie and Darby will learn from the other 2. Cats can be funny like that!

Thanks SCM...u sure know lots about cat stuff! *S*

We do have a small health food store here so I will go and check to see what she has.

Thanks again!

Debbie