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rexdoggieowner
August 15th, 2004, 02:14 AM
i'm a college student who is an east side mario's waitress... i have been there for over 3 years now! but serving for less then 2 years...

it BUGS me when people tip only 10 percent.. i think of myself as a very good server.. i always get the drinks/food/apps fast... and everything you might need ( no matter how busy we are) and still shi@#y tips... its frustrating cause we get paid 6 bucks an hour... and i'm trying to save up for school.. and pay all of rex's vet bills ( neutering... shots.... obedience classes) and other expenses.. i work my bum off!! and all i get is people tipping 10 percent.. its suppose to be 15 the least!!!!!!!! ( not saying that EVERYONE tips bad though)

pllleaseeee people, serving is a very stressful job-- tip us right ( well if the service is good :) )

Luba
August 15th, 2004, 02:16 AM
I just dont think some people can calculate :D

Yes u have a stressful job, I give you credit!

rexdoggieowner
August 15th, 2004, 02:25 AM
haha.. thanks!! its GREAT experience with customer service tho... i usually find myself screaming in the back of the resturants at least 1 time during the night..lol...

Iggette
August 15th, 2004, 08:02 AM
I fully agree with you, if you ever want to loose weight become a GOOD waitress, they work their bum off is an understatment, they put up with bad cooks then get the blame when something is not right, or the owners that dont keep supplies up then get the evil eye because a customer orders something only to be told "sorry we don't have any tonight" cleaning up after all us sloppies for sometimes over an hour at a time for what 2 bucks :eek: When I can afford it and I go out for dinner or a night of boozin :p I always factor in 25% tip for a night out but I am also the type that will not tip kindly if your having a bad day and I'm getting the brunt of it or I walk in and it takes 20 minutes before I'm noticed or acknowleged ( If you never saw me I probably left), if it's cold I send it back if its over done I also will not eat it if you are understanding to my dilema of not wanting to eat a steak that has been cooked to medium well when I only enjoy medium rare then you are the waitress for me and will be rewarded for a job well done :) but if you roll your eyes when I say it is to well done..........NO TIP FOR YOU :mad: I become the TIP NAZI.....lol

LavenderRott
August 15th, 2004, 08:25 AM
I am a single mom with three kids, so dinner out someplace that has a waitress is a rarity for me. I don't have a problem tipping a good watiress/waiter. I do have a problem tipping a waitress/waiter that thinks that as long as they got the food to the table reasonably warm they did a good job.

chico2
August 15th, 2004, 09:29 AM
I actually worked in a restaurant here in Oakville for 20yrs :D,it was supposed to be for a couple of years,but got stuck because we had so much fun.
It was called"A landmark of fine dining",sure!!!
All of us had been there for years,I developed many longlasting friendships with customers,mostly cat-lovers :D
I was,if I may say so myself,very good at what I did and would not serve anything not up to par...
But it takes a lot of patience dealing with the public,diplomacy and a great sense of humour.
I worked only weekends for 15 yrs and families with children,were sometimes a nightmare,Mothers Day beeing the worst day of the year :eek:
Waiters/waitresses are highly underrated and underpaid and people who think any"dummie"can do the job,have no clue!!
Personally,I tip well for good service,not at all if the waitress knowingly gives bad service,not removing finished plates,refill coffee,not returning to the table other than giving the bill.
Believe me,being a good waitress/waiter is an art-form and requires more than big Hooters :D

rexdoggieowner
August 15th, 2004, 10:12 AM
woohoo... everyone gets it!!!!!!!!
haha... great thread!!!

EmmaJean
August 15th, 2004, 11:11 AM
I always tip 20% even if service is less than stellar. I will tip more than that for excellent service. I can handle service that isn't that super as long as there isn't attitude to accompany it.

My friends who used to serve told me that oftentimes it's the people who can afford it who aren't the best tippers. Pizza deliverers say the same thing. Nice houses tip less than small working-poor houses.

Of course it's a blanket stereotype, but it happens enough for it to become one.

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 11:19 AM
In Calif., the tax on restaurant meals is about 7.5%. It's so easy to just double the tax and round it up to the next increment.

$45.00 meal = $3.38 tax X2 = 6.76 = $7.00 tip

If the waitress is cheerful, helpful, and friendly, even if the food was slow/poor quality, etc., I will add another dollar or more. It's not her fault the restaurant is understaffed, or that the theatres just got out and everyone came in at once, or the owner is a cheapskate. But, those factors will determine what restaurant I go back to in the future.

What burns me up is when I get that helpful nudge when I get my change. I took my mom to our local Sonic drive-in where the theme is American Graffitti and the carhops wear rollerskates. We ordered 2 chocolate milkshakes. I don't remember the exact amounts, but the tab was around $4. I gave the carhop a $20. Instead of a $1, $5, and a $10 in change, I received 6 $1's and a $10. How obvious is that? Don't assume I have no other change in my purse. I calculate what I'm going to need, including tip, when I put my money out.

What is sad also, is when I pay anything anymore (not meals here), I usually will add enough extra change so that I can get a larger bill back. Like, if the charge is $6.37, I'll give the cashier $12.00 instead of just the $10 bill. They get so confused! I have to admit, it happens so often that I get a malicious enjoyment out of watching the reaction. No one thinks anymore. I would much rather get a $5 bill back than 3 more $1's to add to the $1's already in my wallet.

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 11:26 AM
EmmaJean, I read your post after mine was already sent. Yeah, there is a steriotyping of customers. Try getting waited on when you're two older ladies. That's why the "Red Hat Club" was created! LOL! It is aggravating when you get minimal service because the waitress is doting on the two good-looking young men at the other table. :o

Cactus Flower
August 15th, 2004, 12:35 PM
AMEN GlassLass!

I once sat for THIRTY MINUTES without even a "hello", while a waitress went back and forth between two tables of men, flirting. There were only THREE TABLES occupied in this restaurant, and she saw me come in and sit down, taking up the fourth. Still, she stood there flirting and just chit-chatting. FOR THIRTY MINUTES. The manager was busy with something at the register, doing a readout or whatever, and didn't notice. But he DID notice when I said, in a very LOUD voice "HEY! DO I HAVE TO HAVE A PENIS TO GET SOME SERVICE AROUND HERE????????????????????????"

I'm the type that will tip four bucks for a ninety-cent cup of coffee, if you are friendly and good with the refills. Service is everything to me. I will come back for mediocre food if the service is good, but NEVER come back if the food is great and the service is bad.

rexdoggieowner
August 15th, 2004, 01:03 PM
yess... i agree with you too... some people should NOT SERVE!!!
but i just don't get when people are cheap when they go out to dinner....whats the point of going out for dinner if you are going to be cheap...

i just wanna say " LISTEN, IF YOU WANT TO BE CHEAP, MCDONALDS IS DOWN THE ROAD, GO THERE"

hahaha.... but i can't and will not ever do that....
for example... my friend, had a party and their bill came to 90 bucks... they tipped her NOTHING... at all...SHE ended up paying for their dinner cause we have to tip out the kitchen and bar

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 01:41 PM
i just don't get when people are cheap when they go out to dinner....whats the point of going out for dinner if you are going to be cheap...

For me, eating out isn't really a "night out". On a special occasion, I'll splurge, ordering things I don't normally order. But 90% of the time, we eat out because I'm tired after a long day at work and don't feel like cooking. Sometimes, hubby cooks. He's usually tired too. The tip is proportional to the bill with extra when the service was really good. If the service was really poor, I still tip, but very little to make a point. I don't want the waitress to think I just "forgot".

Good thing I wasn't sipping my coffee when I read your post, Cactus Flower! :eek: I'd really have spewed it! I'd love to have seen their faces! You got chutzpah! :D :D

Cactus Flower
August 15th, 2004, 02:16 PM
You got chutzpah!

Thanks GlassLass, my Mom gave it to me. :D

I waitressed for a few years myself, so I feel I've been on both sides of the issue here.

I don't do well with being ignored if someone isn't busy. If the place is very busy, I understand. But ignoring me because you are flirting, chatting with the staff, etc is not ok. I once walked right into the kitchen at a restaurant, grinned at the cooks and said "Could you please make me an omelette?". They not only made the omelette, they told the manager what I had to do to get it, and the manager apologized and made sure it was on the house.

chico2
August 15th, 2004, 04:44 PM
This thing with flirting did not apply in my restaurant and most of us girls were a bit older,it was a"fancy"restaurant.We had celebrities coming in often,Harold Ballard and entourage,came in ever now and then and others..Of course some handsome guys made us all swoon,but that's it!!We always made a point of treating women,especially singles very well.I once had a lady,write a long note,saying how she had felt bad coming in,occupying a table.She had come from the hospital and was down.
She mentioned how I had managed to make her feel better and what wonderful friendly service she got.
Then there were,the "bitches"usually realestate women and teachers(sorry Catt31),who made a point of being arrogant and difficult,but I could easily put them to shame :D
Then businessmen on the phone :mad:
I could write a book about my years as a waitress. :D
The thing is,the girls I worked with were all singles,divorced or other...I had the advantage of not really needing to work,so if we had a mouthy customer I took care of him/her,but never got fired for telling it as it is.
It is definetly a learning experience and a confidence builder and you do not have to take bull from anyone,the customer is not always right.
Also tipping is not a right,but if you give good friendly service,it is expected,but some people just do not believe in tipping(cheap I'd say)luckily they were few and far between.
The girls at my restaurant made good money,but they sure had to work hard for it.
Ok,I told you I could right a book :D

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 05:19 PM
People who have worked in customer service are usually the best tippers. They know and understand just how difficult it is to please the public.

Have to add - Nothing makes me more inclined to tip generously as when I witness some pompous egotist giving the waitress a hard time. Do they even realize how they're really impressing people?

chico2
August 15th, 2004, 05:24 PM
Well,GlassLass I am a tough broad :D at least when it comes to dealing with jerks,I usually get the last word :cool:
Now,animals is a different story,I am all mush-mush and sucky-like :)

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 05:35 PM
Maybe it's because animals are so upfront, loving, and honest. No ego, no games, Just pure emotions, trust, and loyalty. We can be ourselves with them and they love us back unconditionally. I gotta go hug my critters!

Cactus Flower
August 15th, 2004, 05:42 PM
Yes, people who have lived on tips before often are the best tippers.

I feel sorry for wait staff sometimes- I think everyone should have to spend a week or so waiting tables! Then they'd realize that if the food isn't right- it's not the waitress' fault....and should have no bearing upon the size of her (or his) tip. I am very friendly to wait staff (unless they ignore me for a half hour while they flirt and chitchat lol)- I don't want to be that person- every restaurant has one- the regular that makes everyone wince when they walk in the door because they are such a jerk. I used to date a fellow that was HORRIBLE to wait staff- he would literally SNAP HIS FINGERS in the air to get their attention, or when he needed a refill, he would hold up his cup and yell MORE COFFEE!- ack! I would shrink in my seat. He was rude and obnoxious no matter how hard they tried to please him. I would love to see him waiting tables in rush hour!

melanie
August 15th, 2004, 05:51 PM
well tipping is not standard in australia, it is becoming popular in the trendy areas though. here as a waitress you get between $8-13 an hour. there is always a tip jar on the bench at the register for small change, this money is usually saved and divided up between both waiting and kitchen staff at the end of the year and yu get about $10 out of it. i once worked in a fancy pasta place, we had big business ppl come there, well bugger me dead, i was getting up to $50 a night for tips, i shared them all with the kitchen staff ofcourse (no one wants the chef after them it is standard for the kitchen to get any freebies to). that is the only place i got tips. and it certainly doesnt inspire one to give good service, i am the worst waitress around, i hate being forced to smile for anyone. but i dont know hardly anyone who tips, my dad does but that is about it. but we also know you get a good hour rate here, it is the minimum wage but most of us are on it so cant afford to tip anyway, if they got less than normal i assume we would tip more.
we have always been told here to only tip 10% in canada and us, i thought that was a standard. well if i ever come to your cafes i will make sure i leave %20 for good measure :D :D

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 06:06 PM
I don't particularly agree with the waitresses having to share their tips. Oftentimes, I tip generously because I know the waitress gets minimum wages, less than the chef, and is the one that catches the flak when the food is overcooked, cold, etc. I'm tipping for the service SHE gave me. Everyone taking a cut of her tip doesn't seem fair. If everyone shares equally, one really good waitress would be screwed while the other mediocre waitress would benefit from the good one's efforts. The mediocre one shares the tips while the good one has a harder time of it trying to take up the slack? Nope! Not fair!

wAggie
August 15th, 2004, 07:28 PM
O-K!

u, ladies, are going to HATE me!

for the LIFE of me, i can NOT understand y someone would choose to become a waitress, when there are plenty of other jobs that pay by the hour/salary. if you know, u'r gonna get $6/hr and must please ur clients for tips...??!?! i used to work in the RETAIL industry. there, we got no tips for helping a customer out for 45 min with the "bed in a bags," we didn't get tips for bagging the customers' merchadise, accepting returns, SMILING and being pleasant and the pay was only a dollar more!!

like, GEEZ, when i go to a restaurant, it's to EAT THE FOOD bc it tastes different from the way i make it or my mommy does :p

heck, i would GLADLY "serve" it myself, but even the buffet restaurants expect tips when they bring me my nestea. :rolleyes:

i PREFER not to tip, but i do... it's pathetic, and i totally regret it, not bc i'm cheap but bc ur EMPLOYER should be paying for ur performance, not the customer!!!

sha!t.


questions? comments? lets hear em! :D :o :) :p

chico2
August 15th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Ok Aggie,here it goes :D
Waitressing is actually a fun job,retail for minimum wage would have killed me,boooring!!
When I waitressed we made $5.95/hour,but easily(well,not exactly easy)took home $80-100/sat and sun in tips,you do the calculation :D
You pay tax on your tips,but since I only worked 2 days..no tax.
I would probably net as much as you would working a week in retail in two days and no tax.
I usually worked only 5 hours and not in Swiss Chalet or any other fast food joint.
Also,since we all(usually 5)helped each other we pooled our money,only gave our bus-boy about 15%,did not pay cooks or bartenders.
For a very part-time job,it's perfect....but of course you had to be able to balance 5 dinnerplates in your hands and know where silverware goes and what glasses to use with what beverage,fold fancy napkins etc...
There is waitressing and then there is waitressing :D

Luba
August 15th, 2004, 08:08 PM
I think everybody should work under the table :D
did I say that?
phooey on Revenue Canada taking every last dime!

wAggie
August 15th, 2004, 08:10 PM
hmh, so Ur not complaining bout the tips, gotcha ;)


FYI, i did Catering at the metro hall in mississauga, for those who know, back in the day b4 retail. so i know what it's like carrying 6 bowls of steaming soup. :p

been there, WON'T do that again. :D oh, that was my first job,... i think :o in grade 10.. or 11. (in other words, i didn't know any better ;) )

Luba
August 15th, 2004, 08:29 PM
My first non-family business job was in a bakery as a cashier/bakers assistant.

I was 14 years old and worked my buttocks off literally! It was hot in there no a/c up early in the morning to greet customers, clean the store, set everything up, eat the RUM BALLS hahahah!

Most of my experience a good one, except for the jerks that get crabby because their fav bread/buns were all gone or the RUM BALLS!!

I loved those things! wooo hooo! I was happy worker! :D

wAggie
August 15th, 2004, 08:33 PM
where they at, Luba? I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE RUM!!!!!!!!!!

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 08:38 PM
Ummm, Luba? Did you by any chance get the recipe for those ummm rum balls? :cool: :o

glasslass
August 15th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Waggie, have you tried the Vanilla Rum? So good with coke and sweet lime juice! :rolleyes: ;) :D

Luba
August 15th, 2004, 09:15 PM
That was 20 years ago, they're long gone!! LOL
I wish I did get the recipe. I never drink but even as an adult the rum balls I enjoyed. Would get them from a Brittish Store in a local mall but they're now closed too! Most places that have them taste crappy u need a really nice bakery for some good ones :D Thats my alcholic flavour, rum balls!! :eek:

wAggie
August 15th, 2004, 10:24 PM
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Luba's getting diRRty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

glasslass, i haven't heard of those either, imagine that!! what have i been missing>??! :( :(

are they like donuts? :confused:

http://www.eatcake.com/images/newpics/bourbbls.jpg

... that DOES look good... kinda like timbits. :p

wAggie
August 15th, 2004, 10:42 PM
glasslass, this

http://www.bininn.co.nz/images/70987.jpg

or this?

http://www.liquorbrands.com/images/Baja%20Rosa.jpg


LOL, sooon sooooooon... i'm going to a wedding this saturday, open bar!!! WHOO! :D :D :D :D and FINALLY off work the nxt day :p

(i promised my buh-bees i'd take them to high park or somewhere like that :p :D :D )

glasslass
August 16th, 2004, 02:08 AM
What was that first bottle? Extract? ;) I'm having to squint! LOL! :D
I've had rum balls from a bakery. Never made them. One is never enough, even though they're soooooo rich! Come to think of it, I did make a really great chocolate rum cake for a friend's birthday once. Took it to the office and the fumes reeked! :D It was demolished really quick!

melanie
August 16th, 2004, 02:13 AM
well the reason we share the tips with the kitchen staff- most staff in the kitchen (dish pigs and hands, not many chefs but some) get exactly the same rate as the wait staff if not less (i have been a dish pig on less that the wait staff), the kitchen staff also get no break in a shift. so it is very evident that without the food there would be no customers. so the kitchen staff turn out the final product that gets delivered to the table and are not out the front to serve so cannot impress anyone for a tip, i see it as a group effort and thus the group is rewarded. i have been on both sides of the fence (in the kitchen more than the other) and have found our system great, it gives every one a little bonus as we all work as hard as each other. and when you slog your guts out in a kitchen, often in cramped, sweaty and unpleasent conditions (not to mention dealing with the complaints that come from wait staff and stupid chef) and get a misely $8 an hour, i would be a bit less than pleased if someone on $9 an hour got a bonus when they are serving the food that i helped cook before they deliver, again a group effort..
oh and taxing tips, boy that is crap, it must be a real hassle when doing tax etc. what a silly system. why dont they just give you all $8-9 an hour and do away with the tips, less hassle wouldnt it be??
also do cafes etc over there have a sign on the window or door advertising the tip requirements? wand if not how is anyone who does not come from there supposed to know??
waggie, i have a glass, so gets pouring :D

chico2
August 16th, 2004, 08:27 AM
I believe part of the allure for waitressing is,the not knowing...you have excellent days and slower days.
I don't think any waitress would work without tips,the incentive would be gone.I know I would not have,too much work for too little money!
A girl I used to know,worked in a very popular hangout,down by the harbour,on busy nights she could take home $300/night.
In the place I worked,the chefs all had good wages,fot the proffesionals they were,full fringe benefits,where the waitresses had none.
Melanie,waitresses do pay tax on their tips,only the government can never know how much someone makes,usually a waitress will declare 10%of their wages as tip.Also if a waitress has to claim unemployment,the tips don't count,you'll only collect a percentage of your very low wages,even if you declare tips in your taxes.
Ok,Promise no more on waitressing :D

Cactus Flower
August 16th, 2004, 12:27 PM
I made better money bartending, although I HATED babysitting the drunks....the money was fantastic. Here in the states you have to declare your tips as well.......but when it came to declaring them, it was always a "slow' night *wink wink*.....

Luba
August 16th, 2004, 12:56 PM
I couldn't handle being a bartender I'd quit the first day. I hate being around drunks, bunch of slobbering idiots!! It really bothers me I have no patience for them! UGH!

Though that may mean they can't see what tip they're giving u ;)

Sneaky2006
August 16th, 2004, 04:01 PM
I definitely agree with the ppl who say good service = good tip. But I also agree that the employer should be paying them more to begin with. But if a waitress/waiter wants better tips then they should be giving awesome service.
Did you ever go somewhere that said what your tip should be on the bottom of the receipt, or a place that ALREADY adds in the tip? That really urks me.
Good service gets my servers about 20%, bad service, hardly anything. By bad service I mean not coming back to ask if anythings needed, charging too much, attitude. If the food's not cooked right, that's not the servers fault so it shouldn't reflect tips.
I have a friend who will tip $2 every meal he will eat out, whether it is only a cup of coffee or a 3 course meal. Needless to say we don't go out with him, it is really embarassing. Then my mom, who doesn't make very much money will tip $10 for a small lunch.
Now for bartenders, they put up with a lot! But on the other hand it seems like none around here know how to make drinks/shots!
We asked for a buttery nipple once, it's supposed to be Bailey's and butterscotch schnapps, and she brought back what we think was peach schnapps and what looked like curdled milk or cream. We said right off that it wasn't right and the server said to try it and see if it was ok and if it wasn't she'd take them back. We tried them and it was nasty! She took them back and then charged us for them because we tasted it. There were 6 of us X $4 a shot! If they don't know how to make something they shouldn't try to! Ok that's my rant.
I have some Tequila Rose in the fridge, now that's some good stuff!! :p

wAggie
August 16th, 2004, 05:05 PM
a bit off-hand but still related, if i'm craving pizza, and i got $25 in the house, i'm gonna get what's worth for 25, not break it down so that i have nuff to give to the delivery guy, like COME ON.

me and my dogs come first before any stranger. :rolleyes: and lord knows even i don't follow that (it's more like, dogs and THEN me... :o :o )

melanie
August 16th, 2004, 05:57 PM
so what happens if a person does not tip, is that not paying for the meal?? and if the tip is put onto the bill at the end of a meal, and i only paid for the food, not the tip, is that also not paying? boy i think i will stick to pizza and mcdonalds in your countries, it is too confusing and i dont want to be sent home for crappy tipping :D

Luba
August 16th, 2004, 06:26 PM
Look at it this way, you go on vacation.

Take a cab to get to the airport
TIP

Fly to your destination

Get into the airport and sit down at the airport restaurant for a meal and drink.
TIP

You take a cab to your hotel destination
TIP

You get greeted by the doorman who opens the door for you
TIP

You check in and a bellhop takes you to your room
TIP

The next morning you order breakfast to be delivered (room service)
TIP


For ONE day you could be spending 100 bux on TIPS???
Eat my shorts!! LMFHO

Everyone wants a tip and to be honest it gets overwhelming.

wAggie
August 16th, 2004, 07:12 PM
OMG, Luba u SERIOUSLY scared me for a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek:


i thought u were agreeing to all ur "tip" comments that it was the right thing to do!!!!!!!!!!!

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCk, i get PAID from my employer when i work, not my clients... again, too bad, they're the ones who see how much work i do ;)


:cool:

heidiho
August 16th, 2004, 07:22 PM
Are you saying you would not tip the pizza guy?? I would never order delivery if i did not have money to tip,i think it is pretty obvious they are not pizza delivery guys for the fun of it,if someone is gonna deliver my food,i will surely tip them...I also would not eat out if i could not tip..

heidiho
August 16th, 2004, 07:25 PM
P..S By the way pizza delivery people only get paid about 5.00 an hour,they are working for tips......

wAggie
August 16th, 2004, 07:57 PM
ok, heidi, listen to this, if my food total w tax comes to 22.69, the rest goes to the delivery guy.

i don't take out 5 exclusively FOR this dude and cutting my meal short, NO THANKS!!!!

now, going back to waitressing, so someone gives u a lousy tip, like $2 (i'm estimating) for a $30 meal, and they sat there for 1 hr, ... AREN'T u servering 3+ other tables? and if they all leave "lousy" tips, u've scored $6 on top of ur $5,

like, SERIOUSLY, WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT??!


sorry about the caps, but i have NO sympathy towards waitresses/waiters who whine about "lousy" tippers. NONE.


g'day :)

Cinnabear
August 17th, 2004, 12:14 AM
Boy do I agree with Waggie, I have no sympathy for people who complain about tips. Ps I was a waitress at a Legion. At least they're getting minimum(sp) wage plus tips. They are other jobs that just pay minimum no tips.

rexdoggieowner
August 17th, 2004, 12:33 AM
wAggie.... that is EXACTLY the point... we are not serving anyother tables because you are sitting in our section for 1 hour!!!!!

like say i get like 4 ladies out to dinner ( i love doing that with my friends) i don't mind AT ALL.. on a monday- thursday... but on the weekends, i sure do mind!!! its PACKED all the time, and i just think its rude when you just sit there and talk for hours on end... and you STILL get a crappy tip... that means i could have made like 20-30 bucks on just that ONE table, instead I will get $ 2 ... because people like that don't bother going somewhere else... like timmy's to talk ... but i understand it goes both ways- " i'm paying for it and should be allowed to stay there as long as i want"... BUT, i think its out of respect, when you see people waiting for like 45 min for a tabel... and your just sitting there, after your done ( and i'm talking like 4 hours...) i think its rude!!! but that is just server talk talkin.. when i go out to eat, and me and my friends stay there a long time ( never EVER do we do it on weekends though) we tip good... or go somewhere else, like timmy's or a house for coffee...

rexdoggieowner
August 17th, 2004, 12:34 AM
and don't you think 2 bucks on a 30 dollar bill is too little ? its not even 10 percent.

Cactus Flower
August 17th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Lordy lordy....who would have thought that a "waitressing" thread would get this heated!

I can tell you this: people who are known for leaving little or no tip often get only mediocre service as a result. Right or wrong, one works off of the other.

Rex- I can SO relate to what you are talking about. We have a diner in town where people sit for hoooooooooours, practically ALL DAY (sometimes reading a book), drinking free refills on a 90 cent cup of coffee. What do they leave for a tip? Usually nothing. Or perhaps, one dollar. So they occupied a booth for nearly the whole day, drank about thirteen gallons of coffee, had a waiter/waitress running back and forth giving said refills and creamer etc-and paid 90 cents. Some of the employees think they should start charging rent! LOL. The managers there began imposing a time-limit for people who are not ordering food- trying to solve this problem. Did it work? Nope! The wait staff would get all the guff from the customer because the waiter/waitress was the one who had to tell you "I'm sorry, but you have to leave now since you've been here for over an hour and not ordered any food". BOY did things get ugly. People were hurling threats and curses. Made the waiter/waitress look bad- and don't think for a minute that they left a tip before stomping off in a fury.....

Luba
August 17th, 2004, 01:34 AM
I truly don't mind tipping in most circumstances.
If I get waited on I know these people are generally working quite hard and getting crap from customers who are picky/unsatisfied with something the 'cook/chef' did not them!

What does become frustrating is when you go through a scenerio like I posted above, it becomes 'too' much tipping. Everyone expects a tip.

I can carry my own luggage, flag over my own cab, push the buttons on the elevator myself AND I can open a door on my own how about that!

If wealthy people wanna tip door people and such let them, cause I don't / won't do it. My arms are strong :D I can load/unload my stuff myself!

Seems like people over do it, you can be in a hotel somewhere or even the airport and ask a conceirge (sp) for directions to something, the washroom/taxi stand and they automatically want a tip? Come on thats more like pan handling and begging.

melanie
August 17th, 2004, 03:34 AM
well bugger me ladies, that is the problem over here in oz you know, cause you only get **** service most of the time most place you go, so if we get a tipping system going maybe someone will get of their arses and actually do something. ubloodyreka we have it. :D :D
but seriously the service in most place you go over here is absolute crap, ooohhh how many times i have had to point out my existance to someone, and i see ppl do it everywhere i go. but i to am very, oh so very guilty of dishing out crap service, but if i get paid crap i have no incentive do i. so i just stay away from service :D

chico2
August 17th, 2004, 09:02 AM
Melanie,exactly!!!!!
Luba,my husband and I have travelled a lot,but rarely do we stay in a hotel with a doorman,bellhop etc...we carry our own luggage,even though at the air-port people will play tug-of-war with it :D
Aggie...I knew a lot of people like you in my years at the restaurant :D and if we all knew,you were a non-tipper with a rotten attitude towards waitresses period,the service you would get,would be proffesional,but less than stellar :D
We were all friendly people,75% of our customers were regulars,who had been coming for years,who really appreciated a good meal and trusting us to give good service even if the place is packed.
As for the Pizza-boy,if you can afford a $25 pizza,surely a couple of bucks for the delivery-boy is not going to break the bank :D
Many restaurants,if they had to pay the wait-staff wages(no tipping) to keep them there,would probably go under...
As for Buffet,most waitresses do not expect a 15% tip,but after your fifth plate of food,it makes for 5 trips to your table to clear your dish,so you won't be embarassed :D and numerous refills of drinks,that too is called service and worthy of a tip :p
I remember one customer,who came in with his family and casually threw a few coins on the table,probably totalling 75cents on a $50 bill,I actually went after him and said"You forgot your change,sir!"
If you for any reason are unhappy with the service you get,which he wasn't,"everything was wonderful"don't insult the waitstaff,voice your displeasure,or don't leave a tip at all.
As I said before,I'll tip well,if the service is up to par,but it is not a right,everything in life is earned,be it respect or tips.

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 10:44 AM
2 dollars is a joke of a tip on a 30 meal,especially if the service was really good,what am i complaining about cheap people like you,that go out to eat,and leave a crappy tip,it is common knowledge waitresses and waiters make most of there money from there tips,i used to work for tips myself,i do not have alot of money but if i plan on eating out i will make sure i have enough for a tip,and if i get a 25.00 pizza delivered to my house i would tip at least 5.00 that is just me.Yes minimum wage here is 5.75 an hour.

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 10:47 AM
I sure would hope you never sit at my table,what a bad attitude you have..

Princesss04
August 17th, 2004, 11:22 AM
minium wage is only $5.00 where you live? :eek: eeep!!! it is $7.16 here.

Laura I saw that you live in the USA but where because I live here as well and min wage is only 5.60 where I am from. I want to move were you live at if I ever get a job were I am only getting paid min wage.LOL :D ;)

Princesss04
August 17th, 2004, 11:29 AM
Alot of the eatting places around here do not even pay min wage they pay like 4.00 an hour and you keep what ever tips you get. The one sit down place I worked in we were paid 4.50 an hour and than all out tips we put in a jar in the back and divided them bewteen all the waitress there, it was crap needless to say I did not work there long. Because than you have people that do not care how they treat the people because they will get tips at the end of the day any ways. :eek:

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 12:15 PM
THAT is true to,like pizza delivery places only pay about 4.00 an hour here..

Luba
August 17th, 2004, 12:16 PM
The next time I'm out I"m gonna offer to help the waitress :D wait on her table and see what she does :D

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 12:34 PM
I just dont see how you guys do not believe in tipping well for good serivce..I understand crappy service no tip,that is a great idea if you are not gonna tip,help them wait there tables.......

Cinnabear
August 17th, 2004, 01:41 PM
Tipping for great service is fine. I think lately waiter/waitress are not up to par. They are slow and not very pleasant. I don't think sitting in a restaraunt waiting for coffee and menu for 10 minutes deserves a good tip. I would tip better for faster service and pleasantness. It seems to me most are interested in chatting and not serving and then expecting a tip.

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 01:48 PM
I agree crappy service gets a crappy tip for sure,but when i get service that goes above and beyond they will get a really good tip,service that is good but nothing special still will get at least 15%

rexdoggieowner
August 17th, 2004, 03:09 PM
but you have to take into account that on a weekend... servers CANNOT sit there and talk to you.. i LOVE talking to my tables... we often have very good conversations... but i hardly get to do that with my tables on the weekends... if i'm REALLLLLLLY busy, and a table is waiting ( i always go to the table 30 seconds after they been sat) i go over to the table, appologize and say i will be with you in one moment... i think the majority of guests that come into east sides are understanding, like if i say that to them.. they appreciate me coming over at least.. cause that is what i would want my server to do..

i hate bad servers too... and i also hate when people blame US for what the kitchen did wrong... or the bar... its NOT my fault... i understand being pissed, but not tipping ME for it... thats not fair... i still give you the service you want.. and when the kitchen does something wrong, we will make you another dish!!!! no problem...

here is a story about a server i work with:

this lady was pi**ed about the head on her beer ... and ashley, the waitresses name, was trying to ask her a question ( would you like me to get a new one?) and the lady said " SAVE IT, i don't wanan hear it"

then, at the end of the night, the lady was trying to "appologize" about the outburst, and ashley just replied, " SAVE IT, i don't wanna hear it... i was trying to be nice to you and you disrespected me.. etc etc" her husband was aggreeing with ashley ( notting his head) and the lady said nothing after that!!

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 03:59 PM
That is so true,i never complain to the server for something the cook screwed up,i do not take it out of there tip.

chico2
August 17th, 2004, 05:14 PM
Well Heidi,having been a waitress myself,actually you should complain to the waitress and give her a chance to rectify the problem,either by taking your food off the bill,or get you another meal.Waitresses are supposed to make sure everything is fine,it's up to her to make sure you leave as a satisfied customer.But there are some customers,few and far between,whom you just cannot please.
Now,I only worked 2 days a week,but I thouroghly enjoyed it,we had a great time at work,I miss it sometimes,but still see some of the customers I knew for 20yrs.Every Christmas we each used to take home tons of choclates and a couple of hundred $$$we got as Christmas-gifts.
Aside from the money,doing waitressing is great for the hours,I never could handle working 9-5,5 days a week...I also had 2 sick kids and it was never any problem getting time off.
Rex,I've been to Eastside Marios here in Oakville for lunch and the young man waiting on us was great,although he was super busy and could hardly move because of baby-chairs and strollers.

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 05:23 PM
Maybe i said that wrong,i would bring it up,but not blame her or take it out of her tip..I would for sure say something if my food was not right.

rexdoggieowner
August 17th, 2004, 05:32 PM
yeah, let the serve correct your food.... not blame THEM for the problem

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 06:16 PM
You know it rex...........I am in full agreement,just like when a dealer comes to my office yelling at me for something i had NOTHING to do with.I must say i believe fully in tipping well,maybe that is why i am broke,but oh well..Say i get my hair done the cost is 80.00 for highlights i love me hair dresser i will give her 25.00 tip.To much or not i dont care,she is awsome..

rexdoggieowner
August 17th, 2004, 06:46 PM
haha... wow.. that is A LOT... i usually top 5-10 bucks... most people don't know to tip hairdressers

heidiho
August 17th, 2004, 07:27 PM
It is not cheap to be blonde,that is just a partial highlight,full is about 100.00 ,but i have long long hair,short hair is cheapier...GOtta tip the hair lady well////

wAggie
August 18th, 2004, 12:15 AM
rexdoggieowner - please don't tell me that the 2 ppl sitting at table #4 are your ONLY customers in the store... i'm sure u serve more than one table at a time, hence the "hectic" environment, no?

every so often (it turns out to be annually), my girlfriends and i get together for dinner... a looooooooong dinner in a restaurant lasting a good 3 hrs, we're there to eat AND socialize... so tables are cleared after dinner, a few have some alcoholic beverages (cha-ching ;) :rolleyes: )... more talking... and finally we settle on desert. so what? we're there not only to eat, but socialize, as i'm SURE this occurs in EVERY restaurant (look at where blind dates start off). we're not there to make sure we carry our a$$es off the chairs and into mcdee's for sundaes bc u feel u'd be getting more tips from the next couple.... sorry! (oh, timmy's and "houses for coffee"... stick imho of *barf* coffee, no TY!)

2 bucks on a 30? nah!! i could take that home and do laundry!!


Cactus Flower - how do they get mediocar service when they pay the tip AFTER the service is provided... oh, this brings me back to the topic of waitresses in strip clubs... so u do this, or let the guy do that, does it ensure a good tip? u never know! catch my drift?


Luba, next time i'm in the elevator of my mom's condo and i hear a "could you please press "9" for me?" i'll reply w a "sure... that'll be 5 bucks!" ;)

oh oh! and every time the conceirge there unlocks the main door for me so that i dont have to find the key or dial upstairs, i say THANK you, no tip... is that ok? or would U tip? :p

Chico2 - AGAIN, i'm stating i don't always tip "lousy," i tip as i please and as my pocket book can handle... i don't go out on a weekly basis either, so i'm sure no one would remember me and beside t.o. is too big to go to one place more than once. ;)


LADIES! re: the 2 dollar tip for 30 dollar meal, it was a HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE!


Heidi, tipping should be ibolished! employers should pay "full price" for their employees. end of story!

*****I always believe this. if you can't afford to tip much, don't be embarrassed, last thing u need is for the waitress to give you a dirty look, THEN i'd feel like taking it back... it's like the parable in the bible about the poor woman who gave 10 cents to charity while the rich man gave barrels and barrels of gold. who's donation was worth more?

whow! aggie's remembering grade 5 religion class! :eek:


back to Heidi... when I went to the hairdressers in Poland (they did a STUNNING job... i could post pix :o :D ), my mom gave me money to tip the lady... boy was she ever surprised! even felt some what embarrassed but at the same time looked as though i had spit on her... she seemed a bit insulted... eek, what an uncomfortable situation! ok, ok... lol

over and out!

Cactus Flower
August 18th, 2004, 01:33 AM
how do they get mediocar service when they pay the tip AFTER the service is provided...

Because they are already known as being lousy tippers. They've been in there before, or might even be regulars.
people who are known for leaving little or no tip often get only mediocre service as a result.

wAggie
August 18th, 2004, 07:40 AM
doh! my bad, i guess i've never actually received "excellent" service so i don't visit the same restaurant that often, then AGAIN, i'm not Always a lousy tipper.....

uhhh, mental note to self, this is not a personal thread, it's based on general experience... :p :rolleyes:

:)

rexdoggieowner
August 18th, 2004, 08:07 AM
wAggie... i understand that you and your friends wanna sit down and talk-- NOOO PROBLEMO.. BUT, don't do it on a fri-sun, and if you do, make sure its not the dinner rush..

and on a friday night... we usually have 4 tables, and 1 means A LOT...

ohh yeah.. another polak in the house..!!! woohoo :)

iRONKNiGHT
August 18th, 2004, 08:46 AM
lol i always taught "rexdoggieowner" was some 15 year old kid name josh..
as far as tipping i think i over tip LOL.. i know what "hard labour is about"

i had to add this in..
I totally agree with every word that "wAggie" said...

Cactus Flower
August 18th, 2004, 09:54 AM
i guess i've never actually received "excellent" service

Seriously?? That is so sad.

I've received excellent service as well as lousy service. I am just as vocal about voicing my COMPLIMENTS as I am my complaints, too. I think that is important.
You should see their face when I ask if I can speak to their manager. It really sinks (even if there is a smile painted on top). Then I add "I want to file a compliment", and it just lights up. If I have great service I always let the manager know. Some people only speak up when it's a gripe.

rexdoggieowner
August 18th, 2004, 10:06 AM
15 year old kid ?! well.. since i said i was a server.. you would assume i'm over 18 :) haha... what made you think that ?!

i guess you never know till you become a server... like the saying goes " you never know untill you put on another man's shoes and walked around in them"

yeah, that sucks if you haven't recieved any "excellent service" cause that is what makes the dinner experience 100 times better

iRONKNiGHT
August 18th, 2004, 11:01 AM
it's from your early days posting! this is one
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=38528#post38528
just gave me the idea you're a kid ohh well!
i'm heavy duty.. so we're both in different line of work!
i worked for Home Depot Canada.. Lumber & Cement Department (21-22)

rexdoggieowner
August 18th, 2004, 11:11 AM
wow.. that must be tough too :o

wAggie
August 19th, 2004, 07:27 PM
ok, rexdoggieowner... i think u've actually taught me something new today.

each server takes care of 4 tables? but there are MANY more tables in the restaurant... correct?


we usually start either in the early-mid afternoon (2-3:30) or late evening (9-9:30) so the idea is that we, hopefully, don't cause too may line ups.... :confused:

:)


(ps, hi iRONKNiGHT *waves* lol)

iRONKNiGHT
August 19th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Tomorrow's Friday.. let's go to a resturant of your choice..
i am sure the rest of the board can rest asure knowing that we're going to tip Right.. err Right? lol :p

heidiho
August 19th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Poor waitress.....

wAggie
August 19th, 2004, 07:47 PM
iRONKNiGHT - HA HA HAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

good one! i'm starting to like u! (wonder what the bf would say :eek: )

:cool: hehe



heidi, come on... don't tell me u didnt find that funny :p :p

heidiho
August 19th, 2004, 07:48 PM
;) Yeah I Did.... ;) ;)

wAggie
August 19th, 2004, 07:50 PM
ooo- k.... i'd like to THINK ur actually teasing in a healthy way so i'll --> :)


:D

rexdoggieowner
August 20th, 2004, 07:53 AM
but your not the problem.. there are many people that do that so it makes up for it...

but we are both polish-- that means we are both stubborn... hhaha ;)

iRONKNiGHT
August 20th, 2004, 08:08 AM
ooo- k.... i'd like to THINK ur actually teasing in a healthy way so i'll --> :)

:D

wAggie... i had no idea i was teasing.. but if you like it then
1010101001101001010101 <--that's a coded message LOL
so i'll --> ;)

wAggie
August 20th, 2004, 12:00 PM
:p :p :p how cool is that, rex??!! :D


iRON... i'm confused. :confused: my teasing comment was in reference to heidi's last post... :p

glasslass
August 20th, 2004, 01:14 PM
What's the coded message??? I feel like someone's talking in a foreign language, or worse yet, whispering! I feel left out! Wahhhhhh! :confused:

iRONKNiGHT
August 20th, 2004, 03:27 PM
this thread should be over by now LOL

iRONKNiGHT: pssssst glasslass
glasslass: yeah?
iRONKNiGHT: *wispers so you wanna know what the coded messages is eh?
glasslass: sure
iRONKNiGHT: lean's over and wispers into glasslass ear*

01100111011011000110000101110011011100110110110001 10000101110011011100110010000001101100011001010111 01000010011101110011001000000111010001100001011010 11011001010010000001110000011101010111001101110011 00100000011100000111010101110011011100110010000001 10000101101110011001000010000001110100011100100110 10010111100001111001001000000110101101101001011101 00011101000111100100100000011001100110111101110010 00100000011000010010000001110111011000010110110001 101011001000000011101000101001

http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php
^^^Copy the code then click on link ^^^
and paste it in the "Binary code box" then hit decode to see the message..

TalonsMa
August 20th, 2004, 04:34 PM
AMEN GlassLass!
I'm the type that will tip four bucks for a ninety-cent cup of coffee, if you are friendly and good with the refills. Service is everything to me. I will come back for mediocre food if the service is good, but NEVER come back if the food is great and the service is bad.

I am the EXACT same way! As I used to work in the service indystry and know exactly how it feels to get crappy tips :)

glasslass
August 20th, 2004, 07:22 PM
Too cool! Can't wait to show my hubby! Yea!!!!! I'm BI-lingual!!!! :cool:

TalonsMa
August 21st, 2004, 12:02 AM
this thread should be over by now LOL

iRONKNiGHT: pssssst glasslass
glasslass: yeah?
iRONKNiGHT: *wispers so you wanna know what the coded messages is eh?
glasslass: sure
iRONKNiGHT: lean's over and wispers into glasslass ear*

01100111011011000110000101110011011100110110110001 10000101110011011100110010000001101100011001010111 01000010011101110011001000000111010001100001011010 11011001010010000001110000011101010111001101110011 00100000011100000111010101110011011100110010000001 10000101101110011001000010000001110100011100100110 10010111100001111001001000000110101101101001011101 00011101000111100100100000011001100110111101110010 00100000011000010010000001110111011000010110110001 101011001000000011101000101001

http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php
^^^Copy the code then click on link ^^^
and paste it in the "Binary code box" then hit decode to see the message..

Ha ha ha that's alot of numbers for that little sentence :D