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Advantage or not??

chico2
July 8th, 2009, 05:17 PM
This is the time of year I usually buy Advantage for my cats,but I hate to put pesticide on them and they do too.
We have not had a flea-problem for 20yrs at least here,but that's probably because I used Advantage.
Do you think I could skip it and take a chance this summer,I am at cross-roads over this:confused:

dmc123
July 8th, 2009, 06:35 PM
chico2,

like you I have not liked putting this stuff on my babies. We live in the southeastern US and have a lot of trouble with fleas - so what to do?

My recent searches discovered a lot of information on diatomaceous earth and just this week ordered some to try. I should have it in a few more days.

After I ordered it, I searched pets.ca and found a lot of articles on it, so I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will work for all of mine.

We've used Frontline in the past, but along with hating using this on them, it hasn't worked so well in the last year or two. Three dogs, and 7 cats here, so fleas love us.

I wish you the best in your decision and cross your fingers that is works for all of mine. All I know is if your babies get fleas, you and they will be miserable. It is a constant battle here.

Diane

edwina
July 8th, 2009, 11:30 PM
I dont use flea medications till i have to, i dont like them. I do use revolution from time to time because i have several cats that hate there ears messed with and of course they get ear mites :frustrated:, so revolution is alot less painful for me. :rolleyes: I do believe in natural ways of killing bugs though. :)

TeriM
July 9th, 2009, 02:34 AM
I would skip it if it were me :shrug:. My dogs and cats rarely have flea treatments and I don't have any problems. The occasional year when fleas have been a real problem in the environment I have given a single dose if I see any fleas. I would think your cats are a pretty low risk.

chico2
July 9th, 2009, 07:35 AM
Thank's everyone,I still have not made up my mind:confused:
I am taking Rocky to the vet on Monday,I have to make up my mind by then.
My cats are outside with us in the summer a lot,with other flea-ridden critters like the Squirrels,but maybe Squirrel-fleas don't like cats:laughing:

Golden Girls
July 9th, 2009, 07:58 AM
I'm battling this very issue myself. Flea meds, vaccinations so bad for them :shrug:

However Chico your cats are indoors and out only in your backyard. Personally I'd check daily for any hitch-hikers which is easily detected over giving flea meds.

chico2
July 9th, 2009, 08:18 AM
GG,I think that's what I will do,any freeloaders are easily detectable on Vinnie(white),but I am totally paranoid about fleas,isn't it too late though,to put Advantage on once the Fleas are there:confused:
A long time ago,both my dog and my then cats had fleas,my dog(Collie/ShepardX)got a terrible rash,it was awful and in those days there was only sprays and shampoos:yell:

onster
July 9th, 2009, 11:15 PM
I hear ya chico.

Personally, I use advantage for the summer months. I never did with my cat TY until he got fleas once...it wasnt even a big infestion, just a few here/there. Treated it..then he got tapeworm..treated that. Then i didnt do preventative advantage the next yr and he got fleas again and tapeworm again. Fleas i can handle but the lil rice tapeworm segments stuck to the bum :yuck::yuck: ugh.

So now I pretty much use advantage with my guys in the summer when i know theyll be out with me. I worry with Onnie too if i would spot fleas :eek:

I really dont know bout the toxic effects tho...

kathryn
July 9th, 2009, 11:23 PM
i use frontline on all my cats, ferals and fosters. it's cheaper then advantage and i feel it's more effective because it does ticks too. i think frontline is really safe as well. advantage is okay, but all it does is fleas.

i sat threw a presentation on frontline from a merial rep and asked a bunch of questions and overall i was satisfied with what he had to say. I like Merial but I do feel Bayer's vet medicine division is really good as well. So either or are fine with me.

Personally since I have so many cats all the time going threw my house I dose out my medications. I buy everything for large dogs and for an extra few bucks and just measure it out for each cat. sure that's going to freak everyone oue :eek: but for advantage buy the largest dog size and pull it out with a syringe and it's .4 for small cats .8 for large cats.. frontline plus large dog is .5 regular frontline i go by weight and do .1 for every two pounds (10 pounds would be .5).. i use the frontline spray as well which is very cheap.

stating the obvious but no flea collars (!!) NO HARTZ and just don't cheap out.. get a name brand flea and tick that's been on the market for a decent amount of time from a real pharmaceutical company not just dollar store brand.

chico2
July 10th, 2009, 08:05 AM
Kathryn and Onster,thank you..
Kathryn,I would never use flea-collars of any kind,much less any Hartz products:yell:
I understand your situation with several cats,but I only have 3 and I have used Advantage reluctantly for all their lives,usually only for July/August.
These 3 kitties I have now,have never had fleas,but I remember the time I had an infestation and it was awful.

Onster you make a valid point,so,I really don't know what to do,but I'll buy it on Monday when I take Rocky to the vet,even if I don't use it,I'll have it here.

krdahmer
July 10th, 2009, 08:20 AM
I've always preferred the revolution when I have to use something (because of Fagan's allergy we have to be pretty careful, and we're not always in control, the last bout was most likely a neighbour dropping off their 'friends' in our entranceway:frustrated:) I find the cats don't get as agitated and it's really effective. I also started spraying my doorways and entrance mats with that siphotrol, as we are not currently treating the cats (we've been pest free for almost a whole year now:fingerscr-no doubt because said neighbour has not been inside the house much since then!:rolleyes:). I know it's a long shot but I'm hoping that any pests that might find their way in, fall at the door and die there before they get to my babies!:o

I'm hoping I can get away with only using it when we move/ or someone has to stay at the vets. I'm like you, don't like using chemicals on them, but it is preferable to Fagan chewing his little belly raw. :shrug:

Love4himies
July 10th, 2009, 09:17 AM
I only use Revolution, don't know why, maybe because I know the cats don't react to it.

I only use it twice a year, once late spring and later in the summer, I do not do it monthly as recommended as I think that may be too much chemical.

My kitties seem to pick up fleas, then I have a tape worm problem, etc. etc.

ancientgirl
July 10th, 2009, 09:27 AM
When Czari was outside I put Revolution on her. My vet told me of all the products out there she felt the most at ease with Revolution.

chico2
July 10th, 2009, 04:35 PM
You girls scare me talking of Tape-Worm etc...maybe I should get Revolution rather than Advantage,is it much more expensive??
Advantage is already quiet pricey..

krdahmer
July 10th, 2009, 05:45 PM
I pay about $60 for a box of 6, or $4 per dose if I bring the cats in.... (they give me a break and sometimes put the stock stuff in syringes so I can do it at home for the $4 per dose)

sugarcatmom
July 10th, 2009, 08:51 PM
My vote is to skip the chemical flea prophylactics. Check out the info at these links before you make up your mind, but I would especially be cautious about using any spot-on flea treatments on Rocky because of his hyperT. If you're worried about the cats bringing in fleas from outside, beneficial nematodes in the lawn should take care of that (they eat flea larvae). Regular combing with a flea comb and vacuuming are your best, least toxic weapons.

http://www.apnm.org/publications/resources/fleachemfin.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/health/flea-tick-control.html
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/IG106
http://www.eartheasy.com/article_natural_flea_control.htm

growler~GateKeeper
July 11th, 2009, 02:29 AM
In the years you have been using the Advantage have you seen any fleas around the begining of "Flea Season"? If not I would think you'd be fine to not bother.

I personally would skip it. In the past 18 years I've only used flea products on Duffy twice - once when she was first brought home & I had to treat the fleas that came with her :rolleyes: and once several years ago when I had a dog & the neighbours flea-invested :rolleyes: dog came over to play & dropped a few little friends :rolleyes:. Duffy had to be treated at that time because my dog had Flea Allergy Dermatitis.

chico2
July 11th, 2009, 08:52 AM
No,I have not seen ay fleas for at least 20 yrs and with these 3 kitties,I've only used it July/August every year and they HATE it..:cat:
I think I've decided to skip it this year..
I brush the cats regularly and do the water-paper towel test for any flea-poop,I get a little paranoid though if the cats are scratching:laughing:
SCM,I'll look up Nematodes..thank's for the sites:thumbs up

kathryn
July 12th, 2009, 03:42 PM
Oh and I do use revolution when I can for outside kitties. Revolution is very safe. It's just annoying that in the US you need a prescription.

There are essential oils you can use around your house that are supposed to help. We sell them where I work (the pet store) and I'm just more used to doing the topical stuff.

sugarcatmom
July 12th, 2009, 03:56 PM
There are essential oils you can use around your house that are supposed to help. We sell them where I work (the pet store) and I'm just more used to doing the topical stuff.

Careful with essential oils. They're very toxic to cats, who's livers can't process them effectively. From one of my links above:

Cat owners take special note: Cats should not be given any essential oils, period.

The use of essential oils with cats is a potentially volatile combination. Cats do not efficiently metabolize essential oils and their use can lead to symptoms of toxicity. In addition to essential oils, cats have known metabolic sensitivities to certain herbal preparations and allopathicmedications. Because the cat's body does not efficiently excrete essential oils, they can build up to toxic levels. Symptoms of toxicity include vomiting, dizziness, clumsiness, lack of appetite, lack of energy and shock. In addition, cats have very thin, delicate skin. Essential oils are absorbed rapidly into their skin and enter the bloodstream, overwhelming their systems. Cats dislike strong odors and generally keep away from strong scents -- even highly diluted essential oils.

Many people find that they can use essential oils on their cats with no obvious adverse effects. Although one or more applications of an essential oil product or blend may not cause immediate harm, the effects of essential oils can be cumulative and manifest themselves at a later date in the form of toxicity for which owners and vets often can find no attributable cause.

phoozles
July 13th, 2009, 03:43 PM
I'd skip it too chico.. the only time I used them was when we actually had fleas (little Alley brought them in because we got her from a rescue).. I haven't had a flea problem since - but we do keep them inside.. I know what you mean about being paranoid about them scratching - I get like that too :o