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ownedbycats
May 30th, 2009, 06:42 AM
I think you need to see this. I hate posting bad news stories, but if you didn't already know something was wrong at the THS, you might want to read this. There are two more articles on this topic coming, although I don't know when.
Warning: this article contains a disturbing picture, and links to disturbing pictures

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/killing-them-with-kindness/article1160810/

mollywog
May 30th, 2009, 08:55 AM
wow, that is a SCATHING article!!! Hopefully some good will come from it. Poor kitties and pups that had to live through that treatment :rip:

diandpat
May 30th, 2009, 09:14 AM
OMG, hopefully shedding some light on this situation will get some people in high places to act! It took a while to bring Barnotti down in Montreal, but they did :thumbs up Hopefully this guy will fall too :fingerscr

In the meantime, hopefully these poor souls can be spared their needless suffering :frustrated:

Golden Girls
May 30th, 2009, 09:27 AM
A shelter in crisis, more like a shelter in hell

Very disturbing and this is only Part 1 of 3 :eek: Wtg to all who came forward and for getting media's help. Because of the media our MSPCA forced Barnoti who then ran the show just like this Trow :censored: to resign. :fingerscr this exposure will do the same

Thankfully for Harley he was an unadoptable mistake, so sad soooo many others suffered without medical treatment.

NoahGrey
May 30th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Wow. I live near Toronto, and never even heard of this.

ACO22

Frenchy
May 30th, 2009, 12:36 PM
wow , this is "deja vu" :sad:

Mom_Of_Two_Dogs
May 30th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Unbelievable. I knew things were going bad and heard about that poor cat dying in it's cage, but the photos really took me aback.

I hope the OSPCA charges the place with animal cruelty. Also, the money they spend on this idiotic court case against the Hamilton SPCA could be spent on, ya know, taking care of the animals. :rolleyes: You just know they'll also trying to sue The Globe as well. Anything for ill-spent money.

They've also became waay too PeTA like for me. Saying coyotes are better off shot than at the Toronto Zoo . . .

NoahGrey
May 30th, 2009, 05:31 PM
Saying coyotes are better off shot than at the Toronto Zoo . . .

I believe that was the Toronto Animal Services that wanted to shhot them. They deal with Animal Control. It was THS who wanted to save the coyotes. It was not until the public made an uproar about the coyotes plight, that TAS changed their minds to wanted to now save the coyotes.

But, no I am appauled by THS and I am not defending them by no reasons, but I do think at this time, they need the community to come together and help put an end to how things are run, not just ignore THS and turn a blind eye. Community does play a hugh factor in finding a solution to make sure our animals are safe and cared for.

ACO22

chico2
May 30th, 2009, 05:42 PM
This is just horrific:cry:here i was thinking THS was a good place for animals,the only thing I did not like about them was the free-for-all they have ever now and then.
I really hope someone will step up for these poor babies:cry:

Chris21711
May 30th, 2009, 07:15 PM
I had heard about this kind of thing happening over the last several years, but put it down to one place bashing another....sadly it seems it was true :sad:

Mom_Of_Two_Dogs
May 30th, 2009, 07:38 PM
With regards to coyotes, from their site . .. "Isnít it just as bad for a wild animal to be locked up in a zoo as to be shot?" Not if the zoo looks after it's animals better than many pet owners, as the case is in Toronto Zoo.

THS saga is also being discussed here:

http://onebarkatatime.blogspot.com/

ownedbycats
June 1st, 2009, 07:39 AM
Here is the link to part 2 of the Globe's story on the THS:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/a-leader-with-a-passion-for-animals-loyal-supporters---and-an-iron-grip/article1162134/

Love4himies
June 1st, 2009, 02:13 PM
The president's response:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/the-presidents-response/article1162212/

BenMax
June 1st, 2009, 02:29 PM
hmmm what to think, what to think??

Have to tell you that is very easy to be a critic from the outside. Once you are an administrator on the inside, one's dreams and intentions become just that.

Whenever there is change, there are 'buckers'. It is hard to see who is right or wrong.:shrug:

But let me ask this question....do they let animals go into rescue groups to bring down their numbers and thus euthanasia rate? Does anyone know? If so, I can forward a few rescues in Ontario that want so much to help.

aslan
June 1st, 2009, 03:03 PM
I have to say, this sounds abit off to me, both of my sisters have volunteered at THS and nothing like this was ever mentioned. My partner and I go on a regular basis and i have never seen filth in the animals cages, or sick animals on display. When i adopted my ferret there, i was taken right into the hospital ward and i found it clean and the animals seemed well attended to.

I'm with Benmax, who do you believe.

Chris21711
June 1st, 2009, 03:16 PM
I've heard stuff over the years and know people that have worked at the THS....but it is just hearsay :shrug:.....one thing I have heard again and again is that animals that are really sick, although being taken care of, maybe should have been let go :sad:

As far as working with rescues Benmax, there are a huge amount of Pitties etc, that have been there for a very long time, so maybe they don't work with rescues.

Their adoption pages at one time listed the date of entry of each animal, they no longer do that.

BenMax
June 1st, 2009, 04:13 PM
As far as working with rescues Benmax, there are a huge amount of Pitties etc, that have been there for a very long time, so maybe they don't work with rescues.

Their adoption pages at one time listed the date of entry of each animal, they no longer do that.

If anyone has any pull or contacts with them, please let me know and I can ask rescues to pitch in to bring down their numbers. Moving season is approaching and they will be in a worse position shortly.

chico2
June 1st, 2009, 05:18 PM
I tend to agree with Aslan and BenMax,I've never been there,have not seen it for myself.
If something as terrible was going on,wouldn't outsiders notice:confused:
I know no-kill shelters,like ours in Oakville,only euthanize after the animal has been given every chance to live,but maybe sometimes euthanezia is the kindest thing:confused:

Winston
June 1st, 2009, 05:22 PM
I think I also have to question the valkidity of the report?? I have never seen the THS personally but I will tell you this. I donate to Toronto and not alot to Hamilton because THS is a no kill facility from what I know and people involved in rescue that have pulled dogs out of shelter like THS. In the Hamilton area the HBSPCA is very often confused with the Animal Control Office which is located in the same building as the SPCA. If you take an animal into Animal Control it most likely will die. If you go to the SPCA portion it is a 100% no kill. Many confuse the 2.

I have to wonder if it is as bad as it says why would people like Tre Smith one of the investigators not take action?? If you care enough as an officer I think this type of activity would bother those people?

As for their administration and how adoptions work etc etc I cant really comment because I dont know. I have only heard the positives.

I mean that just built a huge complex to house many many cats! why would they do that when they could freely euthanize? I had also heard that they have times when you can almost get a cat for free??

I just dont know.

chico2
June 1st, 2009, 05:34 PM
I was also thinking of Tre Smith,but could not remember his name(old age:laughing:)would he work for a place that let animals suffer??

Love4himies
June 1st, 2009, 06:09 PM
I was also thinking of Tre Smith,but could not remember his name(old age:laughing:)would he work for a place that let animals suffer??

I was thinking the exact same thing, chico. I don't think he could work for a place that neglected animals in their care.

Tre is my hero :lovestruck:

NoahGrey
June 1st, 2009, 06:56 PM
I agree with people on here, there are two sides to every story.

While, yes pictures say a thousand words, sometimes there is more into it. For instance, the grey and white cat in the cage with a bowl waterdown food and a syringe in it.

When I looked at this picture, yes I see a cat that looks really bad. However, how do we know that this cat did not just come and while waiting to see the vet, the staff was forcing feeding it, because it wouldn't eat on it's own?

Gosh, you should have seen the stray that I picked up on my nightshift. I transported him to the Emerg, he looked so beat up and very thin. Plus he was bleeding from his nose. When I go to the emerg they did a quick assessment and put him in a cage. If the media were to walk by and see this, they would have went into a rage.

Not everything is black and white. Just because you see something for a second, it doesn't paint the whole the picture.

Also, to the vets that are still working there and claiming that they can not do anything. They are vets. Vets have a code ethics that if an animal is in distress, they have the right to overide the owner or caregiver of that animal, or they could be charged.

ACO22

lmdp12
June 1st, 2009, 08:38 PM
Also, to the vets that are still working there and claiming that they can not do anything. They are vets. Vets have a code ethics that if an animal is in distress, they have the right to overide the owner or caregiver of that animal, or they could be charged.ACO22

Actually, that is not true. If a vet finds an animal in "immediate distress", and the owner's or caregivers won't treat the animal, they then have to report it to an SPCA or OSPCA Investigating Officer, and that officer can remove the dog/cat from the owner's care.

A vet cannot just take anybodys cat/dog away. I wish they could, but they can't.

So in the case of the THS, the vet's hands are tied.

Arwen81
June 1st, 2009, 09:15 PM
There are two sides to every story, but a lot goes on behind closed doors before the THS is open to the public at 11am.

ownedbycats
June 2nd, 2009, 06:57 AM
Last section of the story:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/a-humane-society-thats-short-on-shelter/article1164168/

Golden Girls
June 2nd, 2009, 10:22 AM
I doubt the THS works with rescues considering the amount of secrecy that appears to be going on. They also do not have a no-kill policy and although I've never been inside I'm cricting from what I'm reading so far in this investigation ...

A fundraising employee, Vets (who say the THS violates their Professional Oath's), Vet Tech's, former and present staff, former and present employees QUIT - some quoting their conscience is compromised ...

It's said animals are suffering and dying in their cages from neglect (low euthanization rates = good for fundraising) One quoted: There should be a column for "Died in Cage Neglected" ...

Mismanaging funds, short of meds and supplies ...

No transparency or accountability ...

And although everyone must sign confidentially agreements (applies two yrs after being fired or quit) some are risking their present jobs and others may be liable for a suit yet speaking to The Globe ...

The Globe quotes: "Former employees and volunteers describe volunteer president Tim Trow as a man whose grip on the Toronto Humane Society has hurt the very animals he strives to protect" as Frenchy said "Deja Vu" ...

Who do I believe ... when workers are saying the suffering they see is too great to remain silent - speaks volume :sad:

diandpat
June 2nd, 2009, 10:42 AM
OMG I just can't read any more of this...even if HALF of it is true it is still too unbearable to imagine :mad:

It happened here in Montreal and took a news expose to bring it to the forefront after many many years of "talk"...I hope someone goes in to clean this house asap. Can't read about anymore animals suffering and dying in pain in cages :yell:

BenMax
June 2nd, 2009, 11:38 AM
Great points GG - I am starting to sway alittle. My character however is to see for myself in order to have an opinion. I used to be an administrator quite a while back and remember how people would fabricate certain administrative decisions or even why animals would be PTS. I know first hand what people will do in order to buck the system.

Quitting though??? This is what is disturbing. People in 'mass' do not quit for nothing. There is a reason and I really do believe that people who volunteer or are employed at a shelter do it because they truly have an animal's best interest at heart. People in general do not make such a move in numbers unless there is some validaty to what is being reported.

This to me sounds like a sore that is starting to puss. And that is a good thing in order for everything to come to light.

brianna079
June 2nd, 2009, 01:17 PM
Of course I just read the article while eating lunch, and now my lunch is half uneaten in the garbage. i skimmed quickly through the article, but without really understanding *why* these animals have not been euthanised or treated in a timely fashion before all their suffering? Can someone clarify this for me?

I work part-time for our local SPCA, which is a no-kill shelter (one of few no-kill SPCA's in Quebec). I have yet to see an animal suffer and when an animal has a problem, it is seen by a vet.

Is the THS governement funded?

NoahGrey
June 2nd, 2009, 06:45 PM
Actually, that is not true.

Well I have worked with a few vets that say otherwise.

And no ones hands are ever tied.

ACO22

lmdp12
June 2nd, 2009, 09:08 PM
We recently had an incident in March where a dog was found on the side of the road with a broken leg. A good samaratin brought the dog into the clinic and it was determined the leg was broke at the elbow.

The owner's were found, and they did not want to pay for surgery, they just wanted to take the dog home and let it heal on it's own. The vet said "no way". The vet then explaned to them that a rescue group would take in the dog and have the leg fixed and find it a new home. Again, they wanted the dog back without surgery. The vet phoned the CVO (College of Veterinarians of Ontario), and asked if she could keep the dog from them or did she have to give the dog back & phone the OSPCA to have them remove the dog. The CVO said she did not have the power to hold the dog from it's owners. However, she had every right to call the OSPCA and report them.

The situation did resolve itself, as the owner's finally surrendered the dog to the vet clinic, who in turn, surrendered the dog to the rescue I volunteer for.

I just fired off an email to Hugh Coghill who is Cheif Inspector of the OSPCA and another one to the CVO general inquires, asking this question. It will be interesting to see what they respond with.

lmdp12
June 2nd, 2009, 09:43 PM
Letters to the Editor of the Globe and Mail regarding the THS. Our rescue group is even metioned, yeahhh!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/your-toronto-humane-society-stories/article1165746/

Golden Girls
June 2nd, 2009, 10:14 PM
Brianna079 The THS operates independently (public donations) but is accountable to the OSPCA.

ACO22 According to two former vets (and one current) say they are not allowed to decide whether an animal should be euthanized and must clear any euthanasia procedures with the shelter management. The shelter is micromanaged by the president on every shelter decision ... everyone's hands appear to be tied and if you question anything your fired. I'm sure many kept quiet but only for the sake of the animals.

As far as Tre Smith, just because he works there doesn't mean they're on the up and up, he too could feel the animal needs would be better met by staying quiet.

Search Warrant executed at THS http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_35039.aspx

habibi
June 2nd, 2009, 11:06 PM
Under Ontario law, animals are "property". A vet cannot take an animal from its owner if treatment is refused. The vet can report the incident to the OSPCA or one of its affiliates. Under the OSPCA Act, an agent will issue an order for treatment. If the order is not complied within a specific period of time (depending on the severity of the need) then the agent can sieze the animal and take it to be treated. If the owner agrees to pay for the treatment and subsequent costs then the animal can be returned to them or they can opt to surrender ownership of the animal to the branch or affiliate.

lmdp12
June 2nd, 2009, 11:23 PM
Under Ontario law, animals are "property". A vet cannot take an animal from its owner if treatment is refused. The vet can report the incident to the OSPCA or one of its affiliates. Under the OSPCA Act, an agent will issue an order for treatment. If the order is not complied within a specific period of time (depending on the severity of the need) then the agent can sieze the animal and take it to be treated. If the owner agrees to pay for the treatment and subsequent costs then the animal can be returned to them or they can opt to surrender ownership of the animal to the branch or affiliate.

You are exactly right, habibi.

Jim Hall
June 3rd, 2009, 12:36 AM
1.000 animals?? good lord

chico2
June 3rd, 2009, 09:38 AM
Jim,the large number of animals at the THS is solely because of careless irresponsible owners,not the THS.

I too wrote the OSPCA,not accusingly,since I don't know the facts,but that an investigation was needed.
With all the complaints,the OSPCA could no longer ignore it,or they would lose donations,my monthly one included.
It's all about the animals after all,they cannot speak,but some people would see personal greed ahead of animals needs.
Barnotti in Montreal a good example.
I hope the OSPCA gets to the bottom of this and that while this is going on,no animal is suffering,no mass-euthanazia takes place:pray:

BenMax
June 3rd, 2009, 12:37 PM
Spoke to a rescue group today and they are not given permission to take any dogs to help out. WHY????

Jim Hall
June 3rd, 2009, 12:41 PM
no i wasnt blaming ths for so many just that thats a hell of a lot of animals

EndOfFashion
June 3rd, 2009, 01:50 PM
Well, here is the outcome from the OSPCA's investigation (SO FAR):

THS's side of the story:

"Dateline June 3, 2009: In a surprise inspection yesterday, the Ontario SPCA, along with its veterinarian, examined each of the 1,100 animals at the Toronto Humane Society’s 11 River St. shelter and found not a single animal suffering and needing to be euthanized. This inspection proved the allegations made in the Globe & Mail to be false and without merit. After an exhaustive 5 hour search the Ontario SPCA found the clinic and shelter to be spotlessly clean and orderly.

“As we have repeatedly stated, the Globe & Mail articles do not accurately portray the Toronto Humane Society and the diligent care animals receive when they are in our clinic shelter.” Said Ian McConachie, Senior Communicator at the Toronto Humane Society.

The Ontario SPCA veterinarian recommended different treatment plans for a total of 4 animals. It was agreed that 2 cats in the hospital be given a dental consult and 2 other cats receive additional fluids.

“We expected our ‘Whatever it Takes’ animal care policies to be vindicated,” said Tim Trow, The Toronto Humane Society President. “but now we must show leadership in ending the old fashioned impound and kill policies in Toronto where every second animal is killed in the municipal pounds.”

The Toronto Humane Society hopes that the Ontario SPCA will conclude the investigation in short order and will restore the cruelty investigative powers of The Toronto Humane Society very soon. Animals are being neglected and abused and the powers of The Toronto Humane Society to respond have been legally removed. “The real tragedy of these false accusations in the Globe & Mail are that it has led to animals suffering.” Said Ian McConachie."

OSPCA's side of the story:

"Newmarket, ON (Wednesday, June 03, 2009) - The Ontario SPCA conducted an inspection at the Toronto Humane Society yesterday in response to numerous complaints regarding allegations of the unnecessary suffering of animals in care at the Toronto Humane Society. Ontario SPCA Orders regarding the Standards of Care for four animals were issued.

The Ontario SPCA is required to respond by legislation to any credible allegation of neglect, abuse or cruelty as mandated by the Ontario SPCA Act.

"The investigation is ongoing and we are limited as to the information we can provide at this time. We can disclose that we found animals in distress requiring immediate intervention and as a result, Orders have been issued," says Ontario SPCA Senior Inspector Mindy Hall who is the lead investigator on the case.

Since the Globe articles were released, the Ontario SPCA has received dozens of additional, credible complaints outlining serious concerns that point to a pattern of poor care over the course of many years.

The Toronto Humane Society is currently suspended as an Affiliate member of the Ontario SPCA. The suspension means that Toronto Humane Society will not be able to conduct cruelty investigations and will not have authority or protection under the Ontario SPCA Act. Cruelty complaints can be directed to the Ontario SPCA in the interim.

The investigation may take several weeks."

bds1960to
June 3rd, 2009, 02:28 PM
Not humanly possible that in 5 hrs., the OSPCA could have "examined" 1,100 animals. That's 220 an hour, or 4 every minute, or 1 every 15 seconds.

Second, as an ex-news reporter who knows people at all the major news outlets across the country, I can say without fear of contradiction that the G&M is far too reputable a newspaper to be so wrong as the THS claims. Considering that the vast majority of the 3-part series is made up of quotes from ex- and current employees and volunteers, along with documentation from the THS itself, the G&M would have had to fabricate all these people and all the documents. Not possible. As well, the high quality of journalism you have to exhibit to be hired by the G&M means the reporter on these stories would be far too smart and experienced to be duped by a bunch of disgruntled employees trying to pull the wool over her eyes with phoney tales. You just don't get to work at the G&M by being that naive and gullible.

Moreover, as the OSPCA has itself said, it is now getting a volume of calls directly to its own phone lines about conditions at the THS.

EndOfFashion
June 3rd, 2009, 02:38 PM
bds, it's unbelievable how the THS has "interpreted" the situation, eh? The statement I highlighted is in direct contradiction to what the OSPCA has stated in their press release...

Jim Hall
June 3rd, 2009, 02:47 PM
well its shaping upto be an old fashioned pissing contest

im still trying to get my head around caring for 1500 animals in a daily basis

bds1960to
June 3rd, 2009, 02:57 PM
well its shaping upto be an old fashioned pissing contest

im still trying to get my head around caring for 1500 animals in a daily basis

When I "rescued" my cat in December, it was during one of their adoption blitzes, so I don't know what the place is like on a regular week. But at that time, the customer service staff were overwhelmed and many seemed at the end of their wits. In the cat house, the rooms are all full so cages are also stacked in all the halls, 3 high against every wall. In my cat's case, there was no litter box in her cage. I was told it was probably being changed but didn't see anyone doing that kind of work in the vicinity. She was also filthy. She stank, as did the small blanket they'd put in her cage. I would have expected a certain amount of kennel stink, but this, it turned out, was because her bottom was caked in feces (she is long-haired, so I know this is a matter of vigilance to begin with) and when I got her to my vet, she said a good deal of the smell was also urine. As well, big swaths of hair had been razored off her because of, I was told, matts. Funny thing...in the 6 months she's been with me, matting has not been an issue whatsoever.

I think the place is overwhelmed in the same way a one-bedroom apartment meant for 1 or two people would be if 3 full families lived in it.

bds1960to
June 3rd, 2009, 03:07 PM
BTW, can anyone explain to me why staff and volunteers would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement? It's a volunteer animal shelter, not the Pentagon, for pete's sake! Non-disclosure agreements are usually reserved for people who've held jobs dealing with sensitive government material and people in the private sector who know proprietary information that would commercially damage their company should it be revealed to the competition. There's neither such situation here.

Mom_Of_Two_Dogs
June 3rd, 2009, 05:00 PM
“We expected our ‘Whatever it Takes’ animal care policies to be vindicated,” said Tim Trow, The Toronto Humane Society President. “but now we must show leadership in ending the old fashioned impound and kill policies in Toronto where every second animal is killed in the municipal pounds.”

Once again, the lame TAS bashing starts up again. Why is it okay for them to slander others but god forbid the Hamilton SPCA say their money (Toronto's) isn't being donated to them. You don't see the other organization suing them for saying the same thing . . .

lmdp12
June 3rd, 2009, 10:05 PM
Well I have worked with a few vets that say otherwise. And no ones hands are ever tied.ACO22

Here is the response to my question to the College of Veterinarian's of Ontario.....so yes, the vet's hands were tied at the Toronto Humane Society.

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:31 PM
To: DJ Vandongen
Subject: Question

Hello CVO,

I have a general question, and I am hoping you can answer it for me.

If a vet finds an animal in "immediate distress", can the vet take the animal away from the owner/caregiver himself or does the vet have to call the Humane Society, and then it is the Humane Society that can take the animal away? Does a vet have the power to remove an animal from immediate distress?

Thank you in advance,

Hello XXXXXXX

Iím not exactly certain of the context you are asking this question, but veterinarians are not authorized to enforce the OSPCA Act. They are required to notify the SPCA in cases where they believe an animal is being abused.

Martin Fischer

Investigator/Practice Resource Officer
College of Veterinarians of Ontario
2106 Gordon Street
Guelph, Ontario
N1L 1G6

Telephone: 519-824-5600 X 2238
Tollfree: 800-424-2856 X2238
Facsimile: 519-824-6497
Tollfree fax: 888-662-9479

E-mail: mfischer@cvo.org

Website: www.cvo.org

CClover
June 3rd, 2009, 10:57 PM
I found this in one of the many links posted here (in red in one of the G&M page)...

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00048/By_the_numbers_48221a.PDF

habibi
June 3rd, 2009, 11:57 PM
I am absolutely confident that this investigation will bring about a huge forward step for the Toronto Humane Society.


This is an organization that has a very long and noble history, and this dark chapter will serve to strengthen its mandate.

The OSPCA has a brilliant Board of Directors and an absolute gem in its CEO, Kate MacDonald. They are movers and shakers and have an unswerving resolve to better the lives of all animals in this province. They will guide the THS back to its former self and help it grow in a healthy, progressive way.

The affiliates of the OSPCA are absolutely necessary to help protect the animals in Ontario. They must maintain a level of success in order to keep their affiliate status, so that they can be depended upon to look after their jurisdictions properly and serve their communities well. They are separate organizations - unlike the branches of the OSPCA.
Therefore, their fundraising efforts are also separate. If you live in a community that is served by an affiliate, be sure to include them in your charitable donations plan.

It's going to be messy cleaning this up and it may take longer than we'd all wish, but this is a time to be happy! There's about to be a BIG change for the better! :cat: :dog:

habibi
June 4th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Here is the response to my question to the College of Veterinarian's of Ontario.....so yes, the vet's hands were tied at the Toronto Humane Society.

The vet is an employee of the THS, so must follow the direction of his/her superior. As well, the THS is the "owner" of the animal and the vet cannot step in to force treatment.

But now with Bill 50 in place, the vet can report the incident to the OSPCA without fear of legal reprisal. Before the Bill passed this last March though, the vet was not protected under the law.

chico2
June 4th, 2009, 08:44 AM
With major changes at the THS,I hope the most important will be not to adopt out in tact animals,as is the practice right now.
Their free blitzes(a donation is expected)only adds to the problem,giving in tact animals away,who in many cases will end up adding to the cat/dog population at the THS.

Also,the fact vets hands are tied to not euthanize a severely abused or sick animal,makes no sense to me,what should be the main issue,is ending the animals suffering.
But I suppose that too could be abused,killing animals that could be saved:sad:

habibi
June 4th, 2009, 10:03 PM
I do feel every Humane Society should have a no-kill overpopulation policy but when vets voice their professional opinion that an animal cannot be saved it's horribly inhumane to keep them alive suffering in a cage not to mention how many are turned away from lack of space

I know it seems heartless to euthanize because of over population but this thought needs to be considered.....

Shelter life for animals is a very stressful experience - they are, in essence, in jail. Stress in animals causes their immune systems to become depressed and they are much more suseptible to disease. In a shelter the animals that are sharing space have often no known medical history - they are often harbouring diseases that are airborne and can infect a whole population in a very short time.

If a shelter allows overpopulation by keeping a policy that only euthanizes animals too sick or injured to enjoy a good quality of life, then they risk the entire population's lives. You cannot "warehouse" animals - the shelter has a maximum number that it can sustain healthily. That number can be exceeded to a certain degree but there comes a point where the numbers MUST be reduced for the good of all.

Believe me, this is a heartbreaking occurance and I have witnessed it a couple of times in my shelter career. Many of the staff experience a syndrome referred to as "compassionate fatigue", where you just break down emotionally because the pain of the truth you see is just too much to bear. I personally had to just go home on one occasion because I couldn't be there to witness the babies going to sleep. But I knew it was necessary for the good of the remaining animals.

At least, having assisted at many euthanasias, I have the comfort of knowing that a humane euthanasia is virtually stress free for the animal - it's the people who must carry it out who suffer.

Perhaps in a decade or so there will be less homeless and unwanted animals, with the rise of affordable spay/neuter clinics and the heightened awareness of the puppy/kitten mill cancer.

Speaking of spay/neuter, the OSPCA has a relatively new service that will fix all cats and dogs between 5 months and 5 years of age for a fabulous fee! Check out www.spayneuter.ontariospca.on.ca. The wait time is huge, but it's SO worth it!

The only one of this kind in Ontario so far is at the York Region Branch of the OSPCA and another will hopefully be able to book appointments in Barrie by mid September. More are being planned in other regions of the province, and for this I give Kate MacDonald and the Board of the OSPCA a great big hug! :angel2:

habibi
June 4th, 2009, 10:16 PM
My link to the spay/neuter service doesn't seem to work so just go to the main OSPCA site at www.ontariospca.ca and click on the link at the left side of the Home Page that says "Spay/Neuter Service".

Rottielover
June 5th, 2009, 06:52 AM
I know personally at least from my vet that they can not take an animal and save it if the owner wants to dump and euthanize unless the animal has been signed over to them. Very sad :(

Golden Girls
June 6th, 2009, 08:32 AM
I know it seems heartless to euthanize because of over population but this thought needs to be consideredYour right - I should of said "I wish" it was possible that every HS were able to have a no-kill overpopulation policy.

Rescues could of helped had they allowed as well as not adopt out intact animals much less have those "give away" blitzes ... directly contributing to the already overpopulation much?

:fingerscr for this shelter

That's wonderful that the OSPCA is offering the S/N Program :thumbs up

Arwen81
June 15th, 2009, 10:38 AM
Here is a link to a new article on the situation at the THS that was in the Globe and Mail on Saturday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-raid-on-the-humane-society/article1181202/

Love4himies
July 29th, 2009, 10:20 AM
http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/peter_worthington/2009/07/27/10272266-sun.html

BenMax
July 29th, 2009, 10:29 AM
Thanks for the update L4H. Very serious accusations initially. The sad part is in the public's minds there is going to be continuous problems at THS which will discourage adoptions.

Very confusing based on initially what was reported.

Chris21711
July 29th, 2009, 12:02 PM
I read the article in the Toronto Sun that Mr. Peter Worthington wrote, I would like to know where he gets his information from that he feeds the public :frustrated:

One thing I know for sure OSPCA Agents receive way more than 2 days training. Also they must complete training sessions yearly to retain their Agent status.

He also states that the OSPCA's "powers exceed those of the police to invade without a warrant".....that is complete hogwash :frustrated:...If that were true, why is it then, that everytime they obtain a warrant the Police MUST accompany them?

I would like to think that I am not biased towards one or the other, but feel that Peter Worthington has a personal vendetta towards the OSPCA, which is all fine and dandy, but he should not be feeding false information to his readers.

BenMax
July 29th, 2009, 12:05 PM
The sad thing about this 'dispute' is that the animals pay for it. Shame on them both.

Chris21711
July 29th, 2009, 12:09 PM
The sad thing about this 'dispute' is that the animals pay for it. Shame on them both.

Yep, Politics shouldn't be an issue when trying to save lives, be it animal, human or otherwise :sad:

BenMax
July 29th, 2009, 12:11 PM
Yep, Politics shouldn't be an issue when trying to save lives, be it animal, human or otherwise :sad:

Politics, ego and who is better than who. So darn pathetic!

Love4himies
July 29th, 2009, 01:26 PM
The sad thing about this 'dispute' is that the animals pay for it. Shame on them both.

So right, BenMax, both their reputations will be tarnished which may discourage people from donating. :sad:

BenMax
July 29th, 2009, 01:42 PM
Why cannot rescues, animal control, HS, shelters kill or no kill just put their guns down, put on their gosh darn thinking caps on and come up with some solutions??? I am so darn sick of the bickering back and forth. They offer nothing in the end. And they are the voices for the voiceless as they always say? The voiceless would be saying shut the F up and SAVE ME!

OMG is this ever going to be understood?:shrug:

NoahGrey
July 29th, 2009, 02:04 PM
Politics, ego and who is better than who. So darn pathetic!

Very true and sad. The no kill grip about the kill shelters and the kill shelters grip about the no kill shelters. It all comes down to money and what will make them look good. That goes for non profit and city run shelters.

Sorry a little off topic...

Look at TAS. They euth over 50% of what they bring in, but yet get millions of dollars each year from our government. How come these resources are not being used to decrease euth rates in their shelters. Why...because this would interfere with their wages, and the thousands of dollars in equipment, such as computers, etc. I also don't understand why a shelter can preach about the importance of spaying and neutering your pet, when they don't even do that for their adopted animals. Yes, they have a spay and neuter clinic, but they leave that option up to the new owner. Not really pro active in the helping to decrease the pet overpopulation or there animals would be fixed before they went home. Again...it all comes down to money.

And I think the police are involved when Agents obtain a search warrent, due to safety issues. Until Agents are able to carry firearms, police will assist. Right now, Agents carry the ASP stick, OC spray and up until a few months-a year ago, they have been issues vests...which are not even bullet proof, but classifed as punture resistant....which means, a knife could go through. And Chris is right, Agent training is not 2 days...Years ago it was. Then they put it too a week long training section and now it is 4 weeks of training.

ACO22

Chris21711
July 30th, 2009, 01:15 PM
Agent training is not 2 days...Years ago it was.

You are right on that ACO22.

Then they put it too a week long training section

My daughter did two weeks when she did hers 2 years ago.

and now it is 4 weeks of training.

ACO22

The four weeks training is now done at Guelph University.

NoahGrey
July 30th, 2009, 02:26 PM
Yeah, I know Chris and you are right it is now at Guelph University. Alot more is now being covered. We just had two officers who finished the course and passed.

As for me, no course for me. I have decided to go back to school and broaden my passon of animals and their welfare and wildlife conservation fits the bill. I am taking the fish and wildlife Tech program in the fall. I love the Animal Control field, however I wanted to also broaden the many aspects of animal welfare. One aspect that I am very interested in is Wetland Conservation. A home to many many different species of wildlife, from mammals, frogs, turtles, waterfowl, ducks, insects, plants, trees, etc.

ACO22

Sylvie
August 7th, 2009, 07:45 AM
There are 2 sides to every story and then there is the truth !

My :2cents: worth :D

Chris21711
August 7th, 2009, 08:58 AM
There are 2 sides to every story and then there is the truth !

My :2cents: worth :D

I'm confused by your statement Sylvie :confused:....I know it doesn't take much to confuse me :laughing:

14+kitties
August 7th, 2009, 10:32 AM
There are 2 sides to every story and then there is the truth !

My :2cents: worth :D

I'm confused by your statement Sylvie :confused:....I know it doesn't take much to confuse me :laughing:

I can't say for sure what Sylvie means but I can tell you what the saying means Chris. I haven't read this whole thread. Just bits and pieces. So I am only commenting on the old saying Sylvie put out.

It means each side has "their story" as they perceive it. Of course it leans heavily on their side being the right one. Somewhere in amongst the "stories" the people put out there is the truth. It is almost impossible to figure out what that truth is.

Chris21711
August 7th, 2009, 11:13 AM
I knew what the saying meant...I was thinking that Sylvie maybe knew more......yoou know what I mean :)

Love4himies
August 14th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Boy this sounds like the Montreal SPCA all over again. :rolleyes:

It is very hard to please all the people, especially when it comes to something they are so passionate about like these precious animals.


We all have our own thoughts on what is best for the animals.

Golden Girls
August 16th, 2009, 10:30 AM
If even some of these accusations are true the people living in that area (Arwen81's link says within 60 km of 11 River Street) should register to qualify and vote out Trow & friends.

Sounds alot like what happened here and many thought it would be impossible to throw Barnoti to the curb but he was

Doubt it's ALL disgrunted ex employees, staff and other shelters :rolleyes:

In order for change all three sides must be told! It'll hurt donations/adoptions but must look at the bigger picture :shrug:

Arwen81
August 19th, 2009, 09:14 AM
There is a new article this morning in the GTA section of the Toronto Star if anyone is interested.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/682797

The same article was published in the Toronto Metro.

Chris21711
August 28th, 2009, 10:31 AM
The saga continues :wall:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/687675

Love4himies
August 29th, 2009, 07:28 PM
And what is the mission it was created for?

Arwen81
August 31st, 2009, 01:31 PM
From Today
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/humane-society-blocking-new-memberships/article1270106/

Friday August 28th
http://www.thestar.com/article/687675

Tuesday August 25th
http://www.thestar.com/article/685965


Thursday August 20th
http://www.thestar.com/article/683077

BenMax
August 31st, 2009, 01:40 PM
All this is sounding very familiar to similiar situation a few years back here. It took 15 years to resolve THAT one.

In all this, who suffers? Really, if you are a true animal lover, one would step down in order to give everything a break and ensure the animals will be cared for. This is about egos and not about animal welfare.

Arwen81
September 13th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Two new articles

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/694945

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/09/13/10867316-sun.html

Arwen81
September 30th, 2009, 10:12 AM
Huge article today in the Globe and Mail about the 2006 investigation into the Toronto Humane Society. Included in the article is a link to the 2006 report that a private investigators group submitted to the OSPCA.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/allegations-of-abuse-at-humane-society-ignored-by-agencies/article1306348/