May 15th, 2009, 11:57 AM
I have a problem I could use some help with. The mother of the cat below disappeared a few months ago. We don't know what happened to he, but we suspect coyotes got her. We live in a rural area in central Texas, and they nab small cats, and dogs upon occasion.
My problem is since the mother cat disappeared my lab has taken up nursing the cat. It was not a problem at first, but now I want to breed my lab, and she will not go inot to her heat cycle while nursing this cat. The cat is 7 months old now, and she does not need to be nursing. Both are outside pets, and neither will stay inside......Boarding is not an option for either on .....too expensive!!.....I tried to wrap a t-shirt so the cat could not access the milk, but that did not work.......Like I said live in Texas and it is already up into the mid 90's, and a t-shirt on a black lab would be cruel.......any suggestions would be appreciated...Thank you in advance
May 15th, 2009, 04:21 PM
:eek: Your dog is nursing and you are wanting to breed her again right away? :eek:
Please read the following thread and ALL the website links that are provided .....
May 15th, 2009, 04:25 PM
Personally, this is an interesting bond they have going....and maybe you should just them them be...not sure, but I think that's what I'd do after asking a vet if this is a problem.
You should also know that we are a very pro and spay neuter forum, and so I'm taking the liberty of speaking for the majority on this forum....it would be best not to breed your dog and have her spayed. I know this is not what you were asking but it is the pulse of this particular forum.
May 15th, 2009, 05:28 PM
your advice, and I respect your neuter stance, but I have a large investment in this animal, and I would like some of my money back......A brief history...I also have Lady's mother, and I kept Lady for a companion to her mother......When she was a pup I walked her, and her brother daily to train them, and also get a feel for the pups......I also held a male back, as I was trying to decide which dog to keep (all pups had their first set of shots)........Like I stated above we have coyotes in the area. One Sat afternoon the male pup took sick.....would not eat, or drink....we took him to the doggie emergence room, and he was diagnosed with parvo.....we brought the pup home, and first thing Monday morning I took him to our vet.....I had to put him down because he was too far gone.....A couple of days later Lady showed the same symptoms.......I called a vet friend in Austin who suggested a animal hospital that was very successful in treating dogs w/ parvo.......I could not in my heart put another dog down...........it really pained me to have to put the male down.......Lady was in the hospital for over a week, and she came out a very healthy - happy little puppy...............the cost was $3400.00........That was 3 years ago.........After consulting w/ our vet he said she would be fine for breeding, and I intend to breed her ........sorry but that is what I plan to do....
May 15th, 2009, 06:02 PM
Wow!!! You intend to breed your black lab to recoup some of your "investment" in her! Wonderful!!!!!!! I only pray that #1, your dog has a problem free pregnancy and delivery, #2, there are no hidden health issues with your girl, #3, by the time you have raised a possible litter of 12 for 12 weeks, administered first shots, tested for parvo, dewormed, etc, etc, etc,..... that the small amount of money you make from breeding her is worth it for you.
Good luck little sweetie. :sad: You have a hard enough life living outdoors facing inclement weather and wildlife. Now you have to face an unneeded pregnancy. :sad:
I am not even going to get started on the cat issue. :wall:
May 15th, 2009, 06:58 PM
Glad to hear your mind is made up.
There are 27,899 labradors of various colors looking for homes on Petfinder today. Two thirds of them will probably not find homes and be euthanized.
The current estimates of dogs euthanized annually in the United States is 4 MILLION. Killed for no reason other then they don't have a home.
Labrador Retrievers are prone to the following genetic disorders which are crippling or can be fatal:
Other disorders which have an increased incidence in this breed
These disorders occur less commonly or are less devastating than those mentioned above.
Acral lick dermatitis
Central progressive retinal atrophy (primarily in the U.K.)
Cervical vertebral instability
Hemophilia (factor VIII and IX)
Intrahepatic portosystemic shunt
Labrador retriever central axonopathy (leukodystrophy) (very rare)
Labrador retriever myopathy
Persistent pupillary membranes
Progressive retinal atrophy
Tricuspid valve dysplasia
Vitamin A-responsive dermatosis
Many of these diseases require being seen by a veterinary specialist (not your family vet) for diagnosis and many of them are frequently over looked by a family vet performing a yearly vet.
But hey. You want to make your money back on your bitch.
I would have killed to have been able to spend $3400 to keep my dog for just another 6 months. But I certainly wouldn't have required her to "pay me back". And a reasonable person would think that if you spent that kind of money to save her life, you would let the poor thing in the house.
May 15th, 2009, 07:26 PM
the bottom line is that you really wont make much money at all if you breed your dog and insure health checks, deworming, vaccinations, food etc for the litter. That is *if* everything goes ok. We have a member here who just had a stray cat give birth in her garage and 2 kittens (of 3) have passed on :rip:. You could breed your dog, put her life at risk and then not make any money.
I am also wondering, if the area has coyotes how safe would little puppies be outside???
IMO the best way to recoup your money is through the hours of enjoyment and happiness your dog can give you when you spend time with her. Think of it this way- if a family member was sick and you had to cover medical expenses, would you then turn around and ask them to repay you in some way? No, you would just be thankful, eternally grateful and move on. I would definitely get her spayed.
Finally, not to be mean, but for advice on how to get her to stop lactating and in heat - don't hold your breath. It's just not something our members would know/divulge.
May 15th, 2009, 07:50 PM
How if you say boarding is too expensive can you afford to breed your dog????? Your dog has been through enough surviving parvo, let her just be your FRIEND.. You know also what the chances are of the litter catching parvo also? Can you afford that bill for 12 puppies? There are MORE than enough lab puppies no one needs yours.
I cannot believe you said you want to make some of your money back.. wow.. Glad to see you love your dog and you think every penny was worth saving her life, most would think that you have been paid back already by having her alive.. shocking.. truly shocking..
May 15th, 2009, 08:53 PM
..... A few more things.......
We really don't go out of our way on this site to be mean to people. I am sorry if we come across that way.
One thing I would love for you to do before you make a final decision to breed your beautiful girl.......... take the time to read some of the stories on here.
In particular read some of the work that BenMax has done. She has rescued/fostered over and above 63 dogs so far plus numerous cats; read cpietra's ongoing thread about 8 more cats being euthanized. Read about the issues she has been having finding homes; read Love4Himies threads. She fosters cats as well; read stories from our Frenchy. She has many horrific back yard breeding stories and the work she has done to save some of the results of that back yard breeding. One of her girls (dog) that she has gone on to adopt had such a horrible beginning it's a miracle she survived. She's very lucky to have found Frenchy who saved her and loves her; read chico's stories. She can't foster/adopt because she has a small home and three cats already. But she loves every single living breathing thing that comes within her circle; read Poodletalks stories; Keep on reading....... I know there are thousands of stories on here. I have given you just some names to read about. We have a woman on here who works tirelessly to rehome beagles/bassets/you name it. We have another who takes in smaller breed dogs who have been abused, neglected, etc.
Please, spend some time to read....... Does the world really need another litter of pups and one more back yard breeder?
May 15th, 2009, 09:53 PM
I do small dog rescue. Guess what was left at my home tonight? Tied to my steps.... A purebred chocolate lab about 1 year old. And not spayed.
She is off to a new caring home tomorrow. Get your dog spayed...
May 16th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Next door neighbor's dog had parvo..nasty stuff. The vet told them that the parvo virus can live for up to a year in any feces or vomit that might be laying around...how long ago did the dog have parvo? It sounds like you live in a more rural setting and there could easily be some contaminated feces laying around.
Having pups in this setting could set you back a hell of a lot more than you expect if they come down with parvo.
May 16th, 2009, 05:24 PM
WOW,at first I thought it was wonderful to see a cat nursing off a dog,both look like beautiful animals.:lovestruck:
Then it went down-hill from there,cats/dogs outdoor in 90F,Coyotes prowling,breeding to recoup money.
I certainly hope you reconsider,black labs are not always easy to find homes for and you could find yourself giving them away to anyone who wants them.
We all here have faced huge vet-bills and yes,it is an investment,an investment to provide your dog/cat with a healthy happy life,because you love them.