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Drugs and Drug Companies

Dog Dancer
April 17th, 2009, 06:06 PM
I didn't want to hijack AG's thread, so thought I'd start one here about what people think about the drug companies and their products. I'm not looking for any bashing specific companies or anything please. Just when the ladies were talking about what they pay for drugs and such it got me thinking about this again.

I personally feel that a cure for cancer (and many other diseases) already exists, but that the drugs/cures are being withheld from the market for economic reasons. Cancer is a big business industry, and if you could cure it with pills a lot of money would be lost to the companies and to government.

The same thing as with cars, electric cars and hybrids and such have been technologically available for years but business has kept them unavailable to the public because it would hurt their bottom line. I think the drug companies are doing the same. Agree, disagree?? Anybody got an opinion?

ancientgirl
April 17th, 2009, 06:49 PM
DD, I completely feel that if there isn't a cure for cancer already existing, researchers are very close. It isn't to the benefit of drug companies to find a cure for any disease. These companies are huge lobbyists and much of the research for diseases are conducted by them I believe.

And cars? Oy! Maybe GM would not be so close to bankruptcy had they delved a little further into cars that are more fuel efficient and that run on a fuel other than oil.

But back to drugs. It's obscene the price of some of these drugs. I mean you know they can't cost that much to make, since generic drugs are the same thing yet cost so much less! So it's all greed. Greed that is literally killing people, because there are so many people in need of medications that they just cannot afford! And health insurance companies many times don't cover many of these drugs. So the patient, even though they have insurance often has to pay for the medication out of their own pocket.

In my case, my insurance plan doesn't cover mental health. So not only won't they pay for a therapist, but they will not cover medication. So I'm paying for insurance that won't even cover one of my medical conditions! Sheesh!:sick:

Dog Dancer
April 17th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Yeah, the generic drugs are so much cheaper, it's hard not to feel like the big companies are gouging us. I understand a lot of money has to go into research and testing. I do get that, and it's not going to be cheap, but like you said AG, the costs of these drugs is killing people because they can't get them.

I find it so hard to believe your insurance won't cover the drugs. I understand the therapy itself, that's not uncommon. My medical plan covers the therapy, but it's very limited in value. If I were you I'd send in the bills for your drugs anyhow and see what happens. Worst they can do is send it back and say sorry it's not covered. My plan says they don't cover birth control drugs, but I was on the depo shots a few years ago and they paid for that, and now I send in the bills for my pills and they cover them too. My motto is it doesn't cost you anything to send it in (except the stamp). Many drugs are used for multiple treatments so your carrier may cover it.

ancientgirl
April 17th, 2009, 08:50 PM
I find it so hard to believe your insurance won't cover the drugs. I understand the therapy itself, that's not uncommon. My medical plan covers the therapy, but it's very limited in value. If I were you I'd send in the bills for your drugs anyhow and see what happens. Worst they can do is send it back and say sorry it's not covered. My plan says they don't cover birth control drugs, but I was on the depo shots a few years ago and they paid for that, and now I send in the bills for my pills and they cover them too. My motto is it doesn't cost you anything to send it in (except the stamp). Many drugs are used for multiple treatments so your carrier may cover it.

The problem is, I have a plan that's an individual plan. If I were on a group plan, I wouldn't have these issues. But when you are not covered by your work, and you have to get an individual plan, you are very limited.

I can't send them my bills for the pills. They won't cover me. I know because this is what I do. I work for an insurance broker. My boss is an agent and we find health insurance for companies. We get paid on the commission the health carriers pay us for bringing them business.

Isn't it ironic? I work for a health insurance agent and my own health insurance is a piece of doodoo.:rolleyes:

When an employee for one of our clients has a problem I am the one who contacts the insurance company to help solve it, so I know it won't do any good. These companies will go the extra mile to make sure they don't have to pay for things like this if it isn't specifically included on your plan.

Dog Dancer
April 17th, 2009, 09:57 PM
:sad: Rotters.

clm
April 18th, 2009, 03:27 AM
The patent laws have a lot to do with how expensive the drugs are. The drug companies have a limited amount of time to recoup their many years of research, trial and testing costs as well as make a what they deem is a reasonable rate of return on a drug before generics are allowed. If there was a longer period of time a drug could be protected by a patent, then the cost of the drugs would come down. The problem with generics is they are not identical to the original drug, manufacturing processes can differ, raw material supply, country of origin for both manufacturing and raw materials and type and grade of raw materials can differ so I prefer to not use generics where possible.
Big Pharma definately is out to make a profit, just like every other company, but because their product directly affects heath care it's deemed that much more evil for them to want to make that profit.


Cindy

chico2
April 18th, 2009, 09:04 AM
I agree Dog Dancer,every time I see a"run,walk for a Cancer-Cure"I wonder where the millions of $$$ go,part of it should go to people fighting cancer,people who are not able to pay for expensive meds.

Or like in Ontario,where the waiting-list for treatment is too long,they have to go to Buffalo for treatment if they have the money.

We were lucky,hubby had a good plan for my kids meds,but I can imagine people going without,because of costs.
In Sweden,everybody pay a certain amount,say $6 for any prescription,does not matter how expensive it really is.

CearaQC
April 18th, 2009, 09:45 AM
A lot of drugs are plant based. If you dig deep enough you can find out which plants were used and what compounds in the plants do the job. Of course you need to see a specialist that knows about plants and can advise. But I wouldn't recommend self diagnosis or self treatment without knowing as much as possible about the plant and its effects.

There's a book called "Grow Your Own Drugs" by ethnobotanist James Wong that has recipes for everyday ailments that often work better than OTC drugs. Stuff like Elderberry cough lozenges, or cucumber eye gel. Tea tree oil is AMAZING and I believe everyone should have a bottle in their medicine cabinet. It stinks, but works wonders for skin problems. Calendula officinalis too is great for skin problems. Compounds in globe Artichokes can help reduce bad cholesterol. Garlic can be used to help fight Athlete's Foot. Evening Primrose is good for women's issues.

Of course nothing can benefit health better than a balanced diet and lifestyle, both physical and mental. The whole idea is to be as healthy as possible, with a strong immune system that can battle most anything.

Mental health has a lot to do with it as well.

Look at the word disease. Split it up into dis - ease, or lack of ease. If you're constantly worried about stuff, you WILL develop problems. Identify what is causing the dis - ease, change what you can control, and come to terms with what you can't control, i.e. let it go. Don't hold grudges, love yourself. It is not fun to work through these issues, but if you do it, you will feel so much better overall. It doesn't do any good at all to be covering up symptoms with a prescription drug when you can work through things yourself. Or else it's like pushing the dirt under the rug. Sooner or later that pile under the rug will be so huge that you have no choice but to deal with it. That's when many people begin to have really bad health problems. It's better to deal with things now than to deal with them later.

Laughter is the best medicine of all. Hearty, knee-slapping, belly laughs too... not just a snicker now and then.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5164660/Laughter-really-could-be-best-form-of-medicine.html

Self-educate and ask a ton of questions with your medical care provider. That is the best combination for beating the massive drug companies. They are relying on you being ignorant. It's time to take back your power.