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Getting a puppy (or kitten)? Please read!

Lucky Rescue
August 3rd, 2004, 12:49 PM
Never buy a puppy or kitten at a pet store! These animals come from puppy and kitten mills and/or disreputable "backyard breeders" who breed ONLY for profit.

Don't be fooled by pet store staff saying they come from "responsible breeders". NO responsible breeder would even think of dumping their puppies/kittens at a pet store, to be sold to anyone who has the money!

Every time one of these animals is purchased it financially rewards and encourages the millers and perpetuates the incredible cruelty that is involved with producing the puppies and kittens!

Not sure what a puppy mill is?

No Puppy Mills Canada (http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/what_is_a_puppy_mill.htm)

sammiec
August 3rd, 2004, 12:51 PM
Great post Lucky!! :D

Luba
August 3rd, 2004, 01:52 PM
Tx LR :D Much needed

belly
August 12th, 2004, 01:59 AM
My sister bought our dog from a pet store for $900 CDN. The pet store had all his papers. I recently discovered that my dog is mostly likely from a puppy mill. My sister thought that becasue the dog was registered by the American Kennel Club that meant he wasn't from a puppy mill, but in fact the American Kennel Club will registers dogs even if their from a puppy mill!

Lucky Rescue
August 14th, 2004, 07:31 PM
but in fact the American Kennel Club will registers dogs even if their from a puppy mill!

Exactly!! AKC or CKC papers are basically worthless, as ALL they mean is that the parents of the puppies were purebred, and of the same breed. Doesn't matter if they they are kept in filthy conditions and abused, or bred in mills. Doesn't matter if they were extremely poor specimens, or not breeding quality in any way.

The AKC and CKC do NOTHING to discourage backyard breeding and puppy mills who are churning out tons of puppies with all kinds of genetic defects from being badly bred, and inbred. :mad:

It's time for these organizations to take a stand against this sort of thing.

Luba
August 14th, 2004, 07:45 PM
IMHO the CKC AKC have had their documents fraudulently reproduced (according to a HS cruelty investigator)

So what you even think may be certificates could even be fraudulent.

Cflat
August 15th, 2004, 09:24 AM
I would like to add to this thread to stay away from ads in newspapers where people are selling puppies that they have purposely bred (again as Luba said these are BYB/Millers). A reputable breeder does not sell puppies in the newspaper, they don't have to. Reputable breeders have waiting lists. I don't believe anyone of any reputation needs to breed period, but that is another topic altogether :p

krdahmer
September 21st, 2004, 12:42 PM
Well I noticed that my *******'s has been selling kittens for about the last year or so, they look well taken care of at the store but I am sure are coming from a BYB or just an irresponsible pet owner. They sell them for about $20, but they say the cat is free, you are paying for the 'starter' kit, and the kittens are dewormed (no doubt with something from the store). I have been buying my cat food there for years and they have always had fish and birds but not kittens. The kittens are not always available but I have seen them about 3 or 4 times this year (which made me think BYB). I went to check out Paulmacs.com and found that they advertise there that they do not sell Cats or dogs and instead encourage you to visit your local shelter. So, I started calling the main office, got transferred twice and have now left a message for someone and await a call back.

There is another store here in the falls at Niagara Square called **** and I am positive that they are dealing with Mills and/or BYB, the animals they have there look so sad and poorly taken care of, but the up side is it seems to be the only one of its kind here in the falls. The others here and in St. Catherines only adopt out their critters and are often in association with a rescue or foster organization.

debanneball
September 21st, 2004, 01:33 PM
[QUOTE=LuckyRescue]Never buy a puppy or kitten at a pet store!

:eek: Sorry Lucky, but I did. One Saturday my husband and I were at PJ's, buying fish food, looking around, I saw these 2 seal point kittens, and one of them was just terrified, crouching in the corner. It bothered me so much that on Monday morning, I called, and the kitten was still there. I left work, went and got her, took her home. Today, Rose is 11 years, and doing fine. :D Correct, I may have paid too much, but what else could I do...leave her there and have nightmares.....

Lucky Rescue
September 21st, 2004, 01:45 PM
but what else could I do

I understand, and this is why I never go into any pet stores that sell puppies and kittens. You can get everything you need at pet supply stores, and there is no temptation to financially reward and encourage these backyard breeders who don't care how much suffering they cause.

You can also write to the petstores and tell them just why you will no longer buy their products.;)

mastifflover
September 21st, 2004, 01:50 PM
My only defense for ******* is if like the Pet Valu around the corner from me they have cat adoptions monthly all the cats are from the Toronto Cat rescue they do not sell pets in the store. The owner said he would never allow pets to be sold in his store he refuses to put money in the pockets of BYB or Puppymills.

krdahmer
September 22nd, 2004, 12:11 AM
The *******'s here was in fact selling the kittens without the permission of their head office, the man I spoke to there said it is only acceptable if it is a situation such as in Toronto where they are adoptions only through an organization (the pet store just provides food and litter and space). The owner no doubt was trying to be helpful by helping these kittens find homes as he is a very nice man and his staff treated the kittens great. I actually went in to the store this afternoon and overheard that they were already contacting people on some sort of kitten list. So I guess the man from corporate nipped this problem in the bud. I just hope that this owner does decide to align himself with the local Humane Society because they really do need more space for these little critters.

Writing4Fun
September 22nd, 2004, 10:21 AM
Well done, Krdahmer! Very nice of you to get the owner educated in ways he can better serve the cat overpopulation issue! :D

jackieb
September 24th, 2004, 11:55 AM
Havent seen dogs and cats in shops till we immigrated here it isnt allowed in England althought they can sell some reptiles and small animals fish etc. Couldnt get over the shops selling cats and dogs well puppies and kittens and yes they are cute i know avoiding the shops as my boys pester me to buy them and i wouldnt. I personally dont think you should buy a puppy especially without seeing both parents and i wouldnt. I am doing research at the moment i a hope to rescue or purchase a english mastiff or both maybe.

mastifflover
October 13th, 2004, 09:31 AM
True Jackieb these are dogs and cats come from backyard breeders and puppymills. Disgusting that the stores support these breeders by selling there animals for inflated prices and bad health

lilith_rizel
October 13th, 2004, 06:42 PM
Lucky,
My husband and I just read the link on your post. How horrible!! I almost cried it was so sad. We noticed it said puppy mills in Canada. Do they have puppy mills in the USA as well? My husband is curious, because if there is, he wants to try to do something about it.

krdahmer
October 14th, 2004, 01:21 AM
OK...now I have gone into another PaulMac's and they were selling yet another kitten, this time a little older (looks maybe even old enough to be the mom of the last batch), but with a note on the cage explaining how much responsibility comes with owning a pet...oh and most importantly that for your $20 you get a starter kit! :mad: Grrr...maybe time for another call!

Lucky Rescue
October 14th, 2004, 10:18 AM
Do they have puppy mills in the USA as well?

There are many THOUSANDS of puppy mills in the United States. Many are concentrated in Missouri and Pennsylvania. The Amish are big time puppy millers.

Puppy mills USA (http://www.hsus.org/ace/Article_Printer_Friendly?Content_ID=11797)

lilith_rizel
October 14th, 2004, 11:37 AM
Thanks Lucky,
I will let everyone that I know about this!

lexah
October 27th, 2004, 02:08 PM
I know that if you purchase a dog from a pet store then you are indirectly supporting puppy mills.... but what happens to these poor dogs otherwise? Its not their fault they are in the shop.

It makes me so sad, its a lose-lose situation.

Buy the dog, you support the puppy mill. Don't buy the dog and it will probably go to some ignorant owner who is only buying it to shut their kid up.

CaneCorso81
October 31st, 2004, 06:58 PM
can anyone suggest a good breeder / somoene who just does it for the love of dogs for mini schnoodles / (mini ?) golden phoo's????

thanks :) :)


You have to do research on breeders and ask many questions related to parents temperament, health guarantee such as OFA, CERF, SAS, and health problems, etc.. If a breeder tells you that her dogs don't have health problems, she is lying. Run away from this breeder period! A reputable breeder will inform you what kind of health problem do they see in their lines, etc. This is called homework.. It is your responisble to do homework and ask many questions. You should never depend on your friends or strangers about who is a reputable breeder, you are the one who make the decision to know if this person is a reputable breeder or not. Always ask for a proof of OFA, Cerf, or penn hips, etc...
Don't trust what a breeder tells you that she has OFA papers, etc. You have get the ofa numbers and search it up online.

I want to let you know that reputable breeders will never breed mixed breeds such as schnoodles, peekapoos, labdoodles, etc..

CaneCorso81
October 31st, 2004, 07:08 PM
I know that if you purchase a dog from a pet store then you are indirectly supporting puppy mills.... but what happens to these poor dogs otherwise? Its not their fault they are in the shop.

It makes me so sad, its a lose-lose situation.

Buy the dog, you support the puppy mill. Don't buy the dog and it will probably go to some ignorant owner who is only buying it to shut their kid up.

Yeah... If a person bought a puppy from petstore, the store will make money and fill in another sad/sick puppy in. It is sad, but this is the only way to put the pet store out of business by not buying their animals, products, etc...

Keep in mind some pet stores were sucessfully put out of business.

fuhggers
December 31st, 2004, 02:35 AM
Sorry folks. You have a wonderful community here, and I can tell you all care about your pets very much, but I cannot agree with everything you all are saying.

When it comes to breeders, I agree with your comments, get the papers, get your references, do your homework. Make sure your breeder is reputable, or go somewhere else.

As for pet stores, it is impossible to lump them all together. Yes, some of the pet stores out there, unfortunately a LARGE number of them, do match what you are saying about them. There are however, decent pet stores around. Once again, you must do your homework before shopping with them. Just like any other business: some get away with bad things, and they all get a bad name because of it. I have worked in a number of pet stores myself, and yes I have seen many things I do not agree with. I will not name any names however. I have seen many things that I DO agree with, that are common misconceptions by customers and the general public as well. Don't be misled by silly rumours and heresay.

Just because a dog in a pet store comes down with a disease, does not mean they were born in a puppy mill. If your child goes to school sick, are you automatically accused of child abuse? I don't think so. Even puppies are not immune, with or without their shots, with or without proper care.

As for cats in pet stores, often they Do come from irresponsible pet owners. I for one an a BIG advocate of neutering your animal. However, if you do have an accident, and your pet gets pregnant, would you rather have a responsible pet store take care of them, expose them to the higher traffic and get them a home, after having them checked out by a veterinarian? Or would you rather give them away at a yard sale, with no guarantees, no shots, no background, and not much chance of finding homes for them in a short time? How many people do you know who can actually handle 8 kittens or 8 or 9 puppies in a small house?

Yes these people should be slapped for allowing their pet to run free in heat, but those animals need homes too. Simple fact is, if the pet store IS legitimate, and will take them to a veterinarian for shots and inspections, they can expose the animal to a much higher volume of traffic than any simple consumer, and can find these animals homes faster.

Just because a store deals with a homeless shelter and adopts animals out, does not give them any more credit to their cause. Do some research on many of these shelters, including the SPCA, and you will find as bad of a history of complaints as many of the pets stores you all are complaining about. In many cases, I'm sure you will find worse.

Many complaints pet stores do recieve are from well meaning people who do not stop to ask a staff member about a problem. I have seen the SPCA called into a store because there is a small peice of fecal matter in the bottom of the puppies kennel. Most people do not understand that these puppies are young enough they have not been house trained as of yet, and they do tend to make messes in their kennel, which staff will attempt to clean up as soon as possible. Immediately is not always possible, as any retail worker will tell you.

Now I am not defending any specific pet store, nor am I condoning the practice of pet stores selling puppies and kittens, etc. I will never condone the running of puppy mills, and I will be right there beside any one of you to shut these illegal operations down. However, You should take each case as an individual case. Lumping EVERY pet store together is like saying all Men are bad because your boyfriend cheated on you. It's impossible to rate every store based on the bad ones you hear about. You notice good pet stores with reputable practices don't often make the news.

All I can say is keep an open mind, don't automatically assume everyone is bad, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE BUYING ANY ANIMAL!!!

Cflat
January 6th, 2005, 07:48 PM
A reputable pet store would never sell animals and a reputable breeder would never allow them to.
Unless you "need" to show a dog there is no reason to buy one from anyone. I can pick you out plenty of awesome dogs almost any day at almost any shelter.

lil_kirk
January 6th, 2005, 08:02 PM
No reputable breeder would ever put their puppies in a pet store window--to sit on a grated floor for days and nights on end.

No CKC breeder is permitted to sell their puppies to pet stores.

No one who truly cares about their breeding program would put their puppies in pet stores to be bought impulsively by any Joe Blow who walks in and has enough credit on their card.

WeeZee
March 6th, 2005, 09:47 AM
I used to go to the pet store in the mall to buy toys - no longer
I stick to our home-town guy and bypass the new **** (or whatever) too.
why ...
One day I was visiting a friend at the mall pet store. she said let's go in the back, I am taking a break.
To my horror, the 'seats' they used to sit on and hold their ASHTRAY was on top of animal crates .... with kitens in them!!! The kittens were in there because they had some sort of ailment and were waiting for a clean-bill before they could be put in the window again. 4 butts burning in the tray and I hightailed it out of there. (the only thing the manager said to me was that the staff room was restricted to staff)

I wanted to take every single one of them home. I was so sad for so long I just had to stop thinking about pet shop animals. Advice - take a look in their back room! Find out what conditions those precious things must live in when the store closes and you're not looking.

The home-town guy has a great store ... the employee's personal dogs roam around and it is a great treat for my dog to go and visit.

joeysmama
November 18th, 2005, 11:33 PM
When we finally decided to get a dog we were adamant about it being a rescue dog. Our kids were in high school and we knew they were responsible so our only condition was that it be rescued from a no-kill facility.

When I think I can, I'll post about how Joey touched our lives. On the day he died they must have heard my wails in the next state. I can't stop crying. I miss my baby dog so much !!

And of course I said I would never get another dog--no one could replace him. But there is an empty space in this house that needs to be filled with a furry. When we passed the pet store at the mall and saw baby dogs in the window it broke my heart and my husband said we could start calling breeders. We just wanted the experience of a puppy---although I know that our rescue days are not over.

Anyway....here's my problem. I was working with local kennel clubs trying to find a breeder with a litter in the near future and haven't had any luck yet. One breeder I'd heard good things about said that he knew someone who would be breeding in about 9 weeks and then another 9 before the puppies would go home.

Well my husband brought me home a puppy. And I'm sure it's from a pet store. I absolutely ABHOR pet stores!! I agree that no one who cares about animals, no one who has a conscience, could send their puppies to live in cages, to stand on wire, to have almost no human contact except from the parents who indulge their kids by letting them take the puppies out. And then I don't think there is any supervision by the workers to be sure that the animals are being handled correctly.

The day we got Joey there was a family looking at him when we got there and they were told that they weren't a good match and they werent allowed to take him. Those kids were rough and the rescue agency was looking to be sure these dogs found good homes. The stores dont care.

In the stores these puppies and kittens are just merchandise and they want to move the merchandise.

So...what do I do? My husband is a sweetheart and he thinks that he is making a grand gesture to heal my broken heart. He has never felt that anyone should buy a dog from a store OR a breeder. He's always said that there are plenty of dogs out there. So I think he just wants, somehow to make things right. That guy thing of trying to fix things. I can not take this little guy back--could you put him back in a cage after he's been freed? And our money is very tight right now after having spent THOUSANDS on Joey when he was sick. It's very upsetting to me to have our money spent there.

Bottom line---I love my husband, and I am growing to love the new baby dog. But I'm embarassed about it. I'm truly just embarassed. I think when I add a rescue dog to the family it will make me feel that I've evened the score somehow.

Anyway--thank you for listening. I love this website because it's such a supportive community and you all feel the same way I do about behaving responsibly towards the creatures in your care. People thought we were crazy for taking Joey to specialists and spending money on tests and hospital stays. But when I found this website I got wonderful advice and even, at the suggestion of some members here, found a chiropractor for him. And he came to the house. There was a point where we knew it wouldn't alleviate his problem but it did alleviate the pressure and was kind of a treat for him so we continued with the visits until he was hospitalized.

Sorry this is so long. I had to get this off my chest. Thank you for listening.

Prin
November 19th, 2005, 12:04 AM
I would tell your hubby about pet stores and puppy mills, outside the context of your doggy. I'd say, "Hey did you hear about the puppy mill busts this past week? I'm learning so much about them and apparently, pet stores buy from puppy mills. Let's promise never buy from a pet store ever again, ok?" :)

You have the doggy. The best thing you can do now, is do what you are doing: give him a happy home with love and care and health.:)

Lucky Rescue
November 19th, 2005, 11:08 AM
Of course I wouldn't take the puppy back to be resold to anyone with money in their pockets, or to end up dumped at a shelter because it's shelf life has expired and it's not profitable anymore.

But, in your case, this is how petstores sell puppies. Many people cannot/won't wait for a puppy from a reputable breeder or rescue and want what they want right now. You can see how it happens. Your husband KNEW all about the abuse and mills, yet got one there anyway. Many people do not know.

What you can do is spread the word about where petstore puppies come from and urge everyone you know NOT to patronize these stores at all and to tell the store WHY they will not shop there. Petstores care only about profit/loss, so the only way to put pressure on them is to cut their profits.

You could also volunteer to help a rescue. There are many ways to do this, incuding fostering animals, helping at adoption events or fundraisers etc and your help would be so appreciated!!:)

joeysmama
November 21st, 2005, 11:16 AM
Thank you for your responses. Prin, I did just what you suggested. I brought the subject up in the context of dog food, buying him a coat etc. I told him that I would feel better if the store didn't get any more of our money and I told him that they buy from puppy mills. And then he said "Oh no--he's a purebred, he has papers." (It turns out his aversion to buying a dog was a monetary thing--he always had a houseful of dogs growing up and they just found their way there--he didn't see a reason to spend money. That's my guy !) So later I showed him a few posts in a kind of offhanded way and the next time I mentioned that the puppy should have a sweater he said something about driving over to Target.

Deb, I would LOVE to get involved with a rescue organization. I don't want to foster until this guy is housebroken but I'm going to ask about adoption days. I stil have the info on the rescue organization that saved Joey. I always hear from them about this time of year too. I'll contact them ! Thank you for suggesting that !

Bette
December 27th, 2005, 11:09 AM
Hello to all. I have never posted to the site before. I have been reading with interest, especially about the puppy mills. I thought buying from a pet store was OK. We had a tragic experience during Christmas with a pet store puppy. We purchased him as a birthday present on the 23rd. By yesterday he was dying (canine parvovirus). We had to have him euthanized. He died in our arms. I have heard since that *******'s has a bad reputation. How could we have been so ignorant of the facts. Apparently, these puppies are taken from their mothers too young. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Kayla1984
May 20th, 2006, 11:44 AM
My Paulmacs sells Kittens and Cats for our SPCA but that is all.

However I was in Toronto yesterday at YorkDale Mall and they have this huge pet store. I just decided to wander in and they had about 50 + puppies. I currently have a purebred boxer and home and was wandering down past the puppies and noticed 2 boxers. They wanted 3600.00 for a boxer and they were SO skinny. I mentioned something to the girl who worked there and they were like "Oh well we get them in from Europe so they were stressed and probably didn't eat the whole two days on the plane"

I was so angry!! TWO DAYS on a plane wasn't going to get this puppy that skinny!!! I have never been so mad!!!

:mad:

phoenix
May 20th, 2006, 12:41 PM
kayla, i was there this week too. I shouldn't look, but anyway... the 2 boxers were very skinny... and also they didn't look well bred at all... fairly long noses, and their coloring seemed off too. The prices that store is asking is absolutely insane. So sad.

Kayla1984
May 20th, 2006, 04:21 PM
kayla, i was there this week too. I shouldn't look, but anyway... the 2 boxers were very skinny... and also they didn't look well bred at all... fairly long noses, and their coloring seemed off too. The prices that store is asking is absolutely insane. So sad.


Yah I know. I wanted to cry!!! Europe MY BUM!!! They had WAY to many pets in there. But people are stupid enough to buy them. Thats all one sales girl had to say to me about it. *Shakes head* :mad:

Benny Schnoodle
May 26th, 2006, 12:34 AM
I live in barrie Ont There is a ***** pet store in our local mall I was looking in t here one day when i saw this little bully and he was all alone and skinny no water in his cage and all dirty .His price was 950 .00 and i did not really have the money but i offered the store 750 .00 to take him now just to get him outta there but they said no way.And i asked how long he was there and it was three weeks the store clerk told me that he was already discounted from 1600.00 what a shame i heard the owner of doogans shoots and barries his dogs that are too old on his farm.I would call for a province wide ban on all ****** pet stores as i will not even go into that store now.

[/QUOTE]There is another store here in the falls at Niagara Square called ******* and I am positive that they are dealing with Mills and/or BYB,.[/QUOTE]

Lucky Rescue
May 26th, 2006, 10:09 AM
If you see animals being mistreated or neglected in any petstore, PLEASE call your local humane society. They WILL go and check it out!

Jleew
June 16th, 2006, 04:48 PM
I think it is kind of funny that people are all about going to shelters shelters shelters and forget going to breeders. don't get me wrong i strongly encourage people to go to animal shelters as well but no one should be criticized for wanting a specific breed. each breed has their own good qualities and bad which is why there is a need to do the research of the line. when going to a shelter there is no history. you have no idea what kind of parents these cats and dogs came from.

i definitely think that shelters should be highly thought of when choosing a pet but there is also nothing wrong with going to a breeder for a specific kind, especially if someone is looking for a breed that is going to do well with children. all factors should be considered and what is good for one person is not necessarily good for another.

jesse's mommy
June 16th, 2006, 06:52 PM
I think the point that everyone is making about going to shelters is to rescue dogs that are the result of BYB's or irresponsible owners. There is nothing wrong with going to a breeder, provided it's a reputable breeder and not a BYB. There is a lot of research involved in finding a reputable breeder including the history of genetic testing, etc. Most people think it's cute to buy a dog from a petstore because it's "pure bred", but don't realize the health and behavior problems that BYB dogs are prone to have. They also think it's cute to buy a dog from someone who advertises in a newspaper or an online swap site. These are the reasons that most people are advocates for rescuing dogs from shelters and truly try to educate those who don't realize the cruelty out there. Again there is nothing wrong with a breeder, but a reputable breeder is fully educated on how to better a breed and isn't there to make a quick dollar.

Prin
June 17th, 2006, 05:00 PM
Yeah, pet stores are not the way to get a pure breed puppy (or any other puppy for that matter). Most of the "pure breeds" in pet stores LOOK like they're pure but actually aren't. And if by chance they are pure, you can bet that their breeding is so bad that you'd be wishing you had gotten a cheaper rescue mutt anyway.

mamasina
October 1st, 2006, 12:07 PM
we got my dog from a pet store only after we tried to rescue a dog from a kennel. We unfortunately lost our first puupy to the parvo virus. We had no clue about puppy mills or anything I feel terrible about this now that I know about this. I thought that because the pet store was a very reputible place that everything was ok!! Any way we still love our dog I just feel that it is very unfortunate that these puppy mills profited off of the sale of our family pet!

Daisy2943
January 7th, 2007, 07:06 PM
There is one thing about breeders who sell in the paper. First they need to build a reputation and a newspaper is the best way your able to screen out people who don't know a lot about the breed. It took my mom ten years to build a reputation and she gets calls about papillons all the time even though she doesn't breed anymore. Also when i bought charlie, i got him through an add in the paper the breeder made us do research before we brought him home by quizzing us about possible health risks and proper ear care it was weird being quizzed but it made me feel comfortable about buying him from a BYB who is now a kennel affliliated with the AKC. The breeder also does an in home visit and has visited my home three times since i bought him to make sure that he has a good home. Also she would get him i ever get rid of him and she would pay for him. ( 20% of the cost of the dog is depleted each year) She just did an in home visit about two months ago. Some breeders with reputation had to start out somehow...

Prin
January 7th, 2007, 11:04 PM
No way! You don't start by having a litter of unwanted puppies. Good breeders, regardless of reputation, won't breed unless the puppies are already sold. And the ads in the paper are always for puppies who are already born.

Seems to me you build a reputation in the show ring and competition and not through cheap, sleazy ads.:rolleyes:

mafiaprincess
January 7th, 2007, 11:46 PM
No good breeder starts as a byb. That logic is so sickly flawed...

You do build your rep in the ring, in sports, getting to know people who have reps in your breed. Make friends, network. When that first litter of pups finally comes, people off a mentors wait list may be interested.

Last place a good breeder would advertise is a newspaper, yuck.

DiNKy
January 17th, 2007, 03:50 PM
what are puppy mills? all the pet stores in my area have dogs and cats for adoption on certain days of the week, but they are all animals from local rescue shelters. the animals cost anywhere from $65 to $85 to adopt. i always thought it was pretty convienient; you can pick up a pet and in the same store buy everything he/she needs.:D

cpietra16
January 17th, 2007, 06:32 PM
what are puppy mills? :D


One of the most horrific place you can find a loved pet:sad: You can google "puppymill" and just look at the pictures....they speak louder than words

Prin
January 17th, 2007, 09:11 PM
Go here to learn about puppymills: http://www.stoppuppymills.org/

DayaXaron
January 26th, 2007, 05:34 PM
what are puppy mills? all the pet stores in my area have dogs and cats for adoption on certain days of the week, but they are all animals from local rescue shelters. the animals cost anywhere from $65 to $85 to adopt. i always thought it was pretty convienient; you can pick up a pet and in the same store buy everything he/she needs.:D

I am new here and from the other side of the world.
But over here we have shops and so called animal loving stores also. One good rule to follow is.. if they charge you, it is a scam. They are even breeding for profit. The real shelters here (if they can afford) will even pay you for a year of medical services if you adopt one of their animals.

Whe i got one of my dogs, they first came to check me out. Then i had to agree to bring him in every 3 months for a check up. He had a better medical plan then i ever had.

D

RolandsMom
January 26th, 2007, 06:07 PM
i bought my kitty from Petland but he was part of the pets for life adoption program and i had to sign loads of forms and stuff to promise to return him to pets for life if i couldnt take care of him anymore and not take him to a place that would put him down.
i agree that these pet mills should be closed and not supported but i think that when they have rescue cats they have a better chance of adoption cause there is a higher flow of traffic.
please dont think i am supporting pet stores who buy from these mills but those that have rescue pet sections, i think are certainly doing a good thing
I went in every second day for three weeks to visit my kitty before i convinced my boyfriend that i needed him. hehe. he caved when he met him and i have a wonderful lively, very vocal and social boy that i would never have met were it not for the chance encounter at the local petland.

Prin
January 26th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Yeah, I saw some of those in Ontario- pet stores who have rescue animals in them. That's a good thing, IMO, if they're still screening like a rescue would. :)

CyberKitten
January 27th, 2007, 04:03 AM
Good grief, no reputable breeder advertises in the newspaper!!!! Most good breeders have their litters spoken for long before they are born - if they are purebred dogs and cats and have their proper pedigree, championships and are of show quality and meet the breed standard.(Hopefully, they more than meet the standard!) Anyone seeking to buy from a breeder, though there are also lots of cats and dogs in rescue that need homes too, many of them purebred, (Up to 25% of animals in rescue are purebred), seeks out breeders by contacting the main registries (and I do not mean the ones given out at pet shops), visits shows or does his or her research prior to adoption. This is a lifelong commitment and that does not happen thru the classified section unless one considers the 5 or 10% who find a significant other thru the personals, <g>

To me, adopting a cat or a dog or any animal is the same as adopting a child because they become part of our families. In fact, people are warned NOT to use the newspaper as resource in adopting an animal. It is one of the key signs that one is likely dealing with a byb. As the 2nd poster noted (I am sorry - I forgot to look at the name, forgive me! :sorry: ), good breeders - many of whom do this as a hobby - spend thousands of dollars a year for just one dog or cat!! They have the vet on speed dial and have researched the breed probably better than the vet and certainly know their own animals' pedigree, championships, characteristics and can ID a pet quality versus a show quality in that breed. They are NOT in it for the money - or some frivolous and silly notion that they want their family to "experience or see" babies being born. There are many videos for that or one can always visit a rescue or SPCA any day of the week. (or a puppy mill if they really want to see where newspaper advertised and pet store puppies and allegedly purebred cats come from). Ask any personnel pet store to show you the proper certification, the pedigree - how many championships and rosettes the animal's parents and even grandparents won on the show circuit, demand the health info for several generations - (all documented by vets with a good reputations) - and that is just a few questions I can think at this early hour. You will not get those replies because they are not available.

No breeder who has invested not just their money but their love and caring over a long period of time would EVER in their wildest imagination hand over one of their precious babies to a pe store. They are simply not that foolish nor do they lack knowledge. They will investigate every single person who wants to adopt one of "their" babies - and most of them keep up to date with the adopters for long periods of time. (and have ironclad contracts that are just as rigid as most social service agencies are!!) (There are some exceptions but these are the minority - usually ppl who have entered the breeding biz without a mentor or knowledge and thought they might actually earn money at this.)

Buying from a pet store supports the depravity and cruelty one sees in puppy mills. That money goes to people who have no interest in the well being of their animals and worse! (There are enough videos and info web sites to explain this. )

Anyway - that's it - I cannot even comprehend how this issue was brought up after reading Lucy Rescue's excellent article!

azaleyes
February 25th, 2007, 03:12 AM
I started to work at a Petstore Company (who shall remain nameless) who sells puppies. In terms of keeping their puppies healthy - they did an excellent job. They had a vet on hand, keep all puppies up to date on vaccinations/worming/ect and would take older individuals outside to learn to walk on the leash and basic obedience skills. You could argue that yes - this was a responsible pet store. You walk in, the cages are always maintained, the puppies always look healthy (sure, some sulk, as would any puppy stuck in a small cage 24/7) and the store itself has no odor.

Than you realize WHERE the puppies came from. I quit after I learned their motto was "Sell, Sell, Sell" and that yes, there puppies came in bulk from brokers and dealers. More than one puppy had a "Hunte Corporation" listed as their breed on their AKC registration papers. No matter how healthy the puppies look, you cannot change where they came from.

aussiemedogs
March 17th, 2007, 07:34 PM
I am a strong believer in not buying from a pet shop. I currently have 3 australian shepherds (all rescues) and just all around great dogs, they have their own little quirks....but...my husband and I went to the shop and low and behold they had the cutest little aussie pup, we looked and I wanted to leave, he wanted to see her...well we saw her, played with her and so on...I forced him to leave (it was getting to much for me) well for 3 days and nights her kept shoving money at me to go and get her...I kept refusing, we argued a little ......I can proudly say.....I am owned by another australian shepherd!
I was however quite impressed with this pet shop. I have a 2yr warranty on eyes, hips and other breed defects (not like I would trade her for the world) but I basically got the same written guarantee that I would have if I had purchased her from a breeder. I'm sure she came from a byb but hey she was only 8 weeks old when we came around so hopefully she won't have any memories of this. I still give the hubby crap for buying her but only because she came from a petshop. So....here is Indy I called her that as I am sure she could run the 500!
We have just begun training with her. Indy is a wonderful addition to our home.

aussiemedogs
March 18th, 2007, 08:32 PM
I need to put my 2 cents in here. I used to have goldens and I did the show ring, championship / Obedience titled my dogs etc...CKC, you name it I did it. But I believe alot of you put way to much faith in the so called "reputable breeders" I know some of these "reputable breeders" they have cut the nerve in a dogs tail so that the tail would lay properly, they have hidden "hot spots" missing teeth that the judges haven't noticed. These dogs have allergies some really severe...but they are labeled good breeders because they are in the CKC book and they do the circuit. Well what makes them different from someone advertising in the newspaper? Breeders advertise on the internet....My feeling for BYB is someone who has a litter be it puppies or kittens and fails to imunize them, feed them and make sure they get a good home. There are plenty of "GOOD" Breeders out there that do it for the love of the breed and they don't want the politics that go with the show ring.
I know a few "good" breeders that have had "OOPS" litters. Bottom line if you knew that your breeder that you thought was a reputable one sold you a pup from an "oops" litter would it make a difference? BYB are not all puppy millers. This is my oppinion.

Prin
March 18th, 2007, 08:37 PM
That's why it's not just about showing but about health checking (DNA testing, eye testing, hip testing, etc etc).

A health guarantee till two years of age is nothing, especially since most of the time they'll either refund you (in exchange for the dog) or give you another puppy (in exchange for the dog), and especially since a lot of the genetic issues occur later on, and not before 2 years of age.:shrug:

Good luck with your puppy.

Spirit
March 19th, 2007, 12:08 PM
No way! You don't start by having a litter of unwanted puppies. Good breeders, regardless of reputation, won't breed unless the puppies are already sold. And the ads in the paper are always for puppies who are already born.

Seems to me you build a reputation in the show ring and competition and not through cheap, sleazy ads.:rolleyes:

SO COMPLETELY 110% TRUE.

My dog was born in December 2005. I paid for him in the summer of '04. All her puppies are pre-paid for as her waiting list is very long, or you take a chance on someone changing their minds (doesn't happen). She decides which two she wants to breed ahead of time, and you put your name down with a sex of choice (as well as "family pet -neutered" or "show dog-unneutered"), and give her a deposit. I told her I wanted a family pet, but since she pays for all the show dog stuff (ring fees, health tests, breeding costs if any, etc), that I would concider keeping him unneutered if he grew up to be of good health and show quality. I told her I wanted a big male. Big feet, big block head, blonde, etc. She looked at me like I was absolutely out of my mind. I never got to chose which puppy was mine, and he is the complete opposite of what I wanted (he's small, darker, cute as hell but no block head, etc). BUT based on his personality, I'm not convinced I would have been happier with any other dog. I just love him to pieces, and he really is the perfect dog for me.

She does a FULL run of tests on mom and pop, as well as looks into the family history to make sure there's no signs of dysplasia or other major health problems. When the puppies are 6 weeks, a specialist comes to the house and does an analasys on them to test their personality, as well as give us a best guess which might grow up to be #1 pick for show ring quality (this is the dog she usually hangs on to for breeding purposes). We're all one big happy family (show dog people are weird), so I see my boys siblings (and aunts & uncles, cousins, half siblings, etc) on a regular basis. Some of which he's made very close buddies with.

She's never advertised in the paper because she's never had to. If you want to be a good breeder, and you put the effort in into establishing yourself as one even before your first litter, people come to you and the need to advertise is non-existant.

I feel completely lucky to have found mine. WE LOVE YOU GRANDMA! (she's not really my grandma, for the record... that's just what we call her cause that's what she is to the puppies. lol) :lovestruck: :lovestruck:

clm
March 19th, 2007, 12:20 PM
I'm afraid we'll still be having this conversation years from now. Until they ban the selling of live animals from pet stores, there will always be people there to buy them. I know people at work, the first words that came out of their mouths, I know I shouldn't have bought the puppy or the kitten from a pet store, but.....
A lot of people know better, and it doesn't matter.

Cindy

Prin
March 19th, 2007, 04:13 PM
A lot of people know better, and it doesn't matter.Isn't that the saddest? :sad: :sad:

Mia101
August 24th, 2007, 03:21 AM
Why only adopt from no-kill shelters? :eek:

The ones in the kill shelters need saving the most!

I got the best dog in my life to date from a kill shelter. She would have gotten the needle because she 'looks vicious'. The only reason she's alive is a rescue person put her in the section where they give them more time.

They pick animals that are highly adoptable, but aren't catching anyone's eye for some reason to give more time to (6 weeks, I think, in my dog's case)

The dog is anything but vicious, but she does look and sound it, which is good for my safety :thumbs up

I am VERY GLAD I saved one from euthanasia!

snowflake1
April 3rd, 2008, 01:40 AM
I have read this thread and i totally understand where everyone is coming from about not getting dogs that are not from puppy mills and to get ones from the shelter or rescue.. I tried to get one from the rescue in my local town, but was denied because one of my 3 cats is not fixed. she is a female who i have had for 8yrs with no problems, she has never had a litter, never and I mean never goes outside, she is actually scared outside. I know i should of got her fixed when she was younger, but i never got around to it. so now because I am not able to get one from a rescue, which I would love to do, I will have to either see if my family and friends knows anyone that has puppies or go through the paper. SO I am wondering am I bad person because I am doing this. And before you ask, no I am not getting my cat fixed. I don't feel that I should have to. and yes if i did get a dog I would get it fixed as they are outside and I woudn't want to have any puppies.

clm
April 3rd, 2008, 06:46 AM
I know i should of got her fixed when she was younger, but i never got around to it. so now because I am not able to get one from a rescue, which I would love to do, I will have to either see if my family and friends knows anyone that has puppies or go through the paper. SO I am wondering am I bad person because I am doing this. And before you ask, no I am not getting my cat fixed. I don't feel that I should have to. and yes if i did get a dog I would get it fixed as they are outside and I woudn't want to have any puppies.

8 years old is not an old cat and not too old to get spayed and I don't understand why you wouldn't get a female cat spayed anyway. Saves them from going into heat which will make her a whole lot happier.
Small price to pay to get her fixed so you can get a puppy from a shelter instead of purpetuating the problem by getting one from a mill or a byb.
IMO knowing that getting a puppy from questionable sources is wrong and doing it anyway simply because you don't want to get your female cat spayed is pretty lame.

Cindy

Love4himies
April 3rd, 2008, 08:10 AM
8 years old is not an old cat and not too old to get spayed and I don't understand why you wouldn't get a female cat spayed anyway. Saves them from going into heat which will make her a whole lot happier.
Small price to pay to get her fixed so you can get a puppy from a shelter instead of purpetuating the problem by getting one from a mill or a byb.
IMO knowing that getting a puppy from questionable sources is wrong and doing it anyway simply because you don't want to get your female cat spayed is pretty lame.

Cindy

Well said clm!:thumbs up. I would like to add, that spaying your cat is healthier for her. I had a foster cat in heat and I don't think she was happy at all during it. I ended up keeping her and she is sooooooo much happier as a spayed, just loving life kitty.

ancientgirl
April 3rd, 2008, 09:52 AM
I have read this thread and i totally understand where everyone is coming from about not getting dogs that are not from puppy mills and to get ones from the shelter or rescue.. I tried to get one from the rescue in my local town, but was denied because one of my 3 cats is not fixed. she is a female who i have had for 8yrs with no problems, she has never had a litter, never and I mean never goes outside, she is actually scared outside. I know i should of got her fixed when she was younger, but i never got around to it. so now because I am not able to get one from a rescue, which I would love to do, I will have to either see if my family and friends knows anyone that has puppies or go through the paper. SO I am wondering am I bad person because I am doing this. And before you ask, no I am not getting my cat fixed. I don't feel that I should have to. and yes if i did get a dog I would get it fixed as they are outside and I woudn't want to have any puppies.

I can't believe that you've put your cat through 8 years of heat cycles? Do you like watching her suffer? Because I'm sure you have to realize it isn't a pleasant experience for her to go through. What bothers me is your "I don't feel that I should have to" attitude.

Do the research. Your cat will be happier and healthier when she is spayed. Any animal regardless of being indoor or outdoor should be S/N.

snowflake1
April 3rd, 2008, 05:35 PM
I can't believe that you've put your cat through 8 years of heat cycles? Do you like watching her suffer? Because I'm sure you have to realize it isn't a pleasant experience for her to go through. What bothers me is your "I don't feel that I should have to" attitude.

Do the research. Your cat will be happier and healthier when she is spayed. Any animal regardless of being indoor or outdoor should be S/N.

Actually from what I read, the older that cat is, the longer they have to be under and the bigger the risk. I am sorry, but I am not taking that risk. I am taking her to the vet on monday for a check up. maybe I will talk to the vet then about it, but at this time I am not getting her down. I think I will talk to a vet, who will actually know what they are doing.
But even if do get her fixed, I have decided not to adopt a dog from the rescue. many people I have talked to understand that if I had a dog that was not fixed, why there would be a no, but she is cat, cat and dogs can't mate, unless i missed something. but that is their decision, this is mine.

sugarcatmom
April 3rd, 2008, 06:12 PM
But even if do get her fixed, I have decided not to adopt a dog from the rescue. many people I have talked to understand that if I had a dog that was not fixed, why there would be a no, but she is cat, cat and dogs can't mate, unless i missed something. but that is their decision, this is mine.


The reason the rescue denied you the dog due to your un-spayed cat is because it shows a lack of responsibility on your part, and they don't want to place dogs in homes with irresponsible people.

snowflake1
April 3rd, 2008, 08:26 PM
The reason the rescue denied you the dog due to your un-spayed cat is because it shows a lack of responsibility on your part, and they don't want to place dogs in homes with irresponsible people.

but it is ok to leave the dog in a foster home where it has been for 2 months with 5 dogs 6 cats a rabbit and birds. oh and where it smells like poop.... the person that is fostering the dog is only fostering one other dog, the rest are theirs and the 6 cats are theirs too not foster.
yes i know I should of done it years ago, but i didn't. i have been responsible with my pets. if there is anything wrong with them, they go to the vet quicky. an irresponsilbe ower would let their pets outside when they are not fixed and not care if they get pregnant. i do care. the boys that i have are both fixed. but i don't know why i keep on responding to the response. it hurts me when you say that I am not a responsilbe pet owner. I love my pets. yes one of cats is not fixed, but she lives a spoiled life.

sugarcatmom
April 4th, 2008, 10:08 AM
it hurts me when you say that I am not a responsilbe pet owner. I love my pets. yes one of cats is not fixed, but she lives a spoiled life.

Sorry, that did sound harsher than I intended. I have no doubt that you love your pets very much. It’s just that you have to view it from the Rescue’s perspective: they’re front-line in dealing with the consequences of the many irresponsible “owners” out there, so they’re naturally going to be very cautious on this issue. Take my co-worker, for example. Her cat, not even 2 yrs old, is probably pregnant for the second time. I just want to drag her by the hair to the Calgary Humane Society and arrange it so that she has to euthanize a perfectly healthy cat because there’s no more room for it. And it’s not like she’s the only one out there like that, tragically enough.

Is there a Humane Society near you? What if you looked for a dog there? They might not be as paranoid about your situation as a rescue is.

Love4himies
April 4th, 2008, 12:50 PM
For rescues who see daily the result of pet owners who don't get their pet fixed, they would consider it irresponsible pet owner. They don't know if you are allowing your kitty to reproduce or not.

Frenchy
April 4th, 2008, 01:00 PM
Actually from what I read, the older that cat is, the longer they have to be under and the bigger the risk.

Maybe you should have read the whole thing .... if you get your cat a blood test before the spay and everything is ok , the surgery can be done without risks , and what's this you're saying , cat has to be longer under ? :confused: Not true at all !!!! sounds to me like you have really poor excuses , you don't seem to care about the health problems your cat can encounter later.

snowflake1
April 8th, 2008, 12:09 AM
well i have to say that many of you guys are very rude and very harsh when it comes to answering people's question....... but I wanted to let you know after an night of crying and not being able to eat for a few days because I couldn't in good faith get a dog from a pet store or from a farm when I know ones in shelter/rescues need good homes. I am getting my cat fixed, so I can qualify to adopt a dog from the rescue!!!! I have to say thank you all for your insights. but please remember next time don't be so harsh towards people, I have feelings too. :) wish my cat luck, she is going in on weds to have the surgery. so next time someone comes on here and talks about their cat or dog not being fixed, yes tell them to get it fixed, but do not be so harsh. thank you for time!

clm
April 8th, 2008, 07:04 AM
That's wonderful news that you're going to get your cat spayed and will now qualify to adopt a dog. :thumbs up
Let us know how your little girl is doing after her surgery and keep us posted on your new doggy addition once you find him or her.

Cindy

ancientgirl
April 8th, 2008, 09:06 AM
well i have to say that many of you guys are very rude and very harsh when it comes to answering people's question....... but I wanted to let you know after an night of crying and not being able to eat for a few days because I couldn't in good faith get a dog from a pet store or from a farm when I know ones in shelter/rescues need good homes. I am getting my cat fixed, so I can qualify to adopt a dog from the rescue!!!! I have to say thank you all for your insights. but please remember next time don't be so harsh towards people, I have feelings too. :) wish my cat luck, she is going in on weds to have the surgery. so next time someone comes on here and talks about their cat or dog not being fixed, yes tell them to get it fixed, but do not be so harsh. thank you for time!

Snowflake, sometimes people are harsh because many of those on this board work in shelters and rescues. They see the reality of owners who don't have their pets spayed and neutered, both in the amount of unwanted animals and in diseases that could have been spared the animal had one simple preventative procedure been done.

Many people come here LOOKING for someone to take on their pets, as they have suddenly become a burden because they pee or poop too much, or they no longer get along with a family member. They might be having a baby and suddenly their pet is just one piece of furniture too many.

They are harsh because they are tired of trying to politely educate people, for the animals sake, only to have the person tell them they don't know their situation, but they know it all too well because they have heard every excuse in the book.

I don't volunteer, I don't believe I'm strong enough for it. I also don't have enough room, since I fear I'd want to bring home every homeless animal I see.

Yes you love your cat, but we all wanted to give you information, and many of those here who have had pets for many many years have been involved in the care of animal and have been through just about every situation imaginable.

Don't take it personally. There is a lot of information here and there are a lot of good people here. You won't find a more caring group of people anywhere else. We don't know your cat, and we haven't seen a picture of her, but I can tell you we all care very much for her.

I hope she does well, and I have no doubt she will do well when she's spayed. I hope you post a picture of her for us, as well as the new pup you are soon to have as an addition to your furry family.

snowflake1
April 8th, 2008, 12:44 PM
this is my princess. her name is chewie ( chewbacca) i hope she will do ok tomorrow with the surgery.

ancientgirl
April 8th, 2008, 01:14 PM
She's got a beautiful face. :lovestruck:

Good luck tomorrow, I know she'll do just fine.

BusterKitty
April 8th, 2008, 07:22 PM
Aww, she's beautiful. I'm so glad you got her spayed, many of us have questions about spaying and neutering but if you're not sure about something, just ask. We might sound harsh because(as ancientgirl stated), many people will just not go through with the procedure unless we're hard on them. All of us are trying to help so yay for another kitty being spayed! ^^

clm
April 9th, 2008, 06:36 AM
She's beautiful. I love the name Chewie, too cute. Happy spay day little Chewie!

Cindy

snowflake1
April 9th, 2008, 10:24 AM
i just took her to the vet, I am very worried. I know I shouldn't be, I am getting the extra blood work done just to make sure she is healthy, and that everything is ok, but I worry about her too much! :) I will post later today when I get her home!

ancientgirl
April 9th, 2008, 10:38 AM
I had all 4 of mine done when they were around 5 to 6 months old and I worried like crazy too, even though I knew it would be a fast operation and they'd be all right. When I went to pick up some special flea stuff this weekend, the girl at the front desk of my vets office told me the operation itself doesn't take more than about 15 minutes, so they really aren't under for a really long period of time.

You love your girl and it's understandable you are going to worry. The blood work is a great idea. I had that done to 3 of mine and will have it done to the last 2 soon, when they are a year old. I think it's a good way of being sure they're healthy.

Please let us know how she's doing later.

snowflake1
April 10th, 2008, 01:21 PM
I just wanted to let you all know chewie is ok. she did great and the blood work can back ok!!! she was really stumply last night when she got home, so i slept with her on the floor in my living room so she wouldn't have to go up stairs to sleep with me. The 2 boys and cranky at her, but I figure it is because she smells weird. So far everything is ok. she hasn't pulled any stitches yet.

Elizabeth Ann
April 10th, 2008, 01:39 PM
I just wanted to let you all know chewie is ok. she did great and the blood work can back ok!!! she was really stumply last night when she got home, so i slept with her on the floor in my living room so she wouldn't have to go up stairs to sleep with me. The 2 boys and cranky at her, but I figure it is because she smells weird. So far everything is ok. she hasn't pulled any stitches yet.

That's just to cute. Happy to hear she is doing well.

Oh, you slept on the floor with your kitty... That's just so sweet.

Elizabeth Ann
April 10th, 2008, 07:48 PM
This might be a little :offtopic:, so sorry.... but....

I got Gizmo (supposedly a pure bred **** tzu) from a friend who got him from a pet store. How can I find out if he came from a puppymill after the fact?

Not that it really matters because it wont make me love him any less, but I was just curious.

(sorry again for taking this a little :offtopic:)

Jim Hall
April 10th, 2008, 08:19 PM
I just wanted to let you all know chewie is ok. she did great and the blood work can back ok!!! she was really stumply last night when she got home, so i slept with her on the floor in my living room so she wouldn't have to go up stairs to sleep with me. The 2 boys and cranky at her, but I figure it is because she smells weird. So far everything is ok. she hasn't pulled any stitches yet.



yea and tha nks for sleeping on the floor i have done that a few times with sick fuzzbutts I bet chewie is gonna be a lot happier.

alot of the posters here do sound harsh but it is because they see the consequnces of un neuterd pets. But the final choice is always yours to make

snowflake1
April 10th, 2008, 10:52 PM
This might be a little :offtopic:, so sorry.... but....

I got Gizmo (supposedly a pure bred **** tzu) from a friend who got him from a pet store. How can I find out if he came from a puppymill after the fact?

Not that it really matters because it wont make me love him any less, but I was just curious.

(sorry again for taking this a little :offtopic:) maybe try calling the pet store where gizmo is from and see if they have a record of where it was from. i don't know if that have that kind of info, but you never know :)

jim......Chewie was very happy that I slept with her last night. I think she was in a little bit of pain and just wanted some cuddles. I must say I am glad that I got her fixed. I wish i did it sooner. next time I know better!

ancientgirl
April 11th, 2008, 08:50 AM
I'm so happy to hear Chewie is doing well, and that's great about the blood work. My vet has a program where they do blood work and test for all kinds of stuff, and they do it at a great discount.

snowflake1
April 13th, 2008, 05:10 AM
so i went to the humane society today, got the paper work. their main requirements are having all your pets in your house fixed and having a fenced yard.. which I have both. But I am wondering, if who my prev dog died may cause a reason for the adoption getting rejected.. Cain was about 5.5 yrs. the vet said he probably died of a heart attack, but I didn't get an autopsy done so I don't know for sure. I am just going by what the vet said.
DO you thing that the humane society will look at that and think that I am not a good pet parent. He was fine when ever i took him to the vet and running around like crazy up to the minute that he collapsed. Many people have told me that maybe he had a clot that I didn't know about that just dislodged at that moment. I feel like it is my fault and I am afraid the humane society will see it that way. What you guys all think???thank you

ancientgirl
April 13th, 2008, 09:47 AM
I don't think they will think you were a bad pet parent because of that. I don't know what breed your last pup was, but I believe I've read some dogs as well as cats are prone to certain illnesses.

Heck, people just up and die from heart attacks, who have never had heart issues, so I think it happens the same with pets.

snowflake1
April 13th, 2008, 08:33 PM
cain was a german shepard/black lab. he was a big boy. he was a little over weight when I took him to the vet last june, but we worked on bringing his weight down. the vet last june he just had to lose like 10pounds.

Gucci
April 3rd, 2009, 01:11 PM
Never buy a puppy or kitten at a pet store!

Not sure what a puppy mill is?

No Puppy Mills Canada (http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/what_is_a_puppy_mill.htm)

We almost bought a puppy at ******* in coquitlam, BC!!! But we decided to find a home breeder instead. Who has looked after the puppies inside their house and knows the mother and father.

After watching this HORRIBLE video about ********, I will NEVER even consider buying a pet from a pet store again!!! It makes me sick to even THINK about puppy mills!!!! I had NO IDEA!!!:cry:

LavenderRott
April 3rd, 2009, 01:44 PM
We almost bought a puppy at *********** in coquitlam, BC!!! But we decided to find a home breeder instead. Who has looked after the puppies inside their house and knows the mother and father.

After watching this HORRIBLE video about *******, I will NEVER even consider buying a pet from a pet store again!!! It makes me sick to even THINK about puppy mills!!!! I had NO IDEA!!!:cry:


Please don't think that, just because the puppies are in the house and the breeder "knows" the mother and father, the breeder a good breeder.

NakedSun
August 30th, 2010, 12:33 PM
I bought my first dog at a petstore. I know many people say not to do it, but I got enraptured with him. Makes me sad he can have come from a puppy mill. On the plus side the pet store took fabulous care of the animals once they were there. Walking them several times a day, having outdoor play space and being right next to the vet office.

I just rescued a dog yesterday from a rescue group. For the last few weeks I've been on a search for the perfect companion for me. I was shocked at some of the humane societies I visited. There were people walking straight in, talking with the volunteers for a few moments before taking a dog home before. I asked at one of the locations if that person had been in previously and nope. I find it hard to imagine they're accurately matching dogs based on life styles through a few minute discussion. Not only that, but the cages they kept the dogs in were disgusting and tiny. Far worse than some pet stores I've seen. Really shocked.

Captain Crash was at a rescue group. I submitted an application and they sent him home with me within a day. No requirements had to be met aside from the fact they asked who was in my house. Surprised me as well.

I question if rescue shelters are any better than pet stores at times. The adoption fee for Crash was through the roof. (they are affliciated with the Humane Society)

BenMax
August 30th, 2010, 12:44 PM
I bought my first dog at a petstore. I know many people say not to do it, but I got enraptured with him. Makes me sad he can have come from a puppy mill. On the plus side the pet store took fabulous care of the animals once they were there. Walking them several times a day, having outdoor play space and being right next to the vet office.

I just rescued a dog yesterday from a rescue group. For the last few weeks I've been on a search for the perfect companion for me. I was shocked at some of the humane societies I visited. There were people walking straight in, talking with the volunteers for a few moments before taking a dog home before. I asked at one of the locations if that person had been in previously and nope. I find it hard to imagine they're accurately matching dogs based on life styles through a few minute discussion. Not only that, but the cages they kept the dogs in were disgusting and tiny. Far worse than some pet stores I've seen. Really shocked.

Captain Crash was at a rescue group. I submitted an application and they sent him home with me within a day. No requirements had to be met aside from the fact they asked who was in my house. Surprised me as well.

I question if rescue shelters are any better than pet stores at times. The adoption fee for Crash was through the roof. (they are affliciated with the Humane Society)

Like any shelter or rescue group, all vary. All I can tell you with certainty (regardless of the care of the animal or the conditions of the cages) buying at a petstore enables the brokers and the millers to operate. Shelters and rescue groups are picking up the pieces.

aprilster
February 6th, 2014, 05:35 AM
Me too, I think nobody should add to the overpopulation of cats and or dogs and breed or not neuter their animals unless somebody really is interested in adopting the animals from the litter. I feel that for many this is a very emotional subject, so, ahem, may I add some numbers to the table? This statistic I found http://www.statista.com/statistics/250805/origin-of-previous-cats-or-dogs/ actually shows, that, at least as far as cats are concerned, breeders aren't the ones to be blamed here, as only 2% of Americans (and I guess it's not that different here in Canada) buy their cats from them (or pet stores for that matter). I hope this helps...