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Making a rather hard decision, don't worry not about the cats

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 09:57 AM
I just need to vent.

I'm having a hard time financially. I make decent money, but it's just not enough for me to have any extra money at the end of the month after I pay the necessities. I can't save any money because I just don't have enough at the end of the month.

Since my boss seems to think paying me the same amount for the last 4 years is enough, I can't ask for a raise. I get bonuses at the end of the month, but lately they have been small, and some months I've not gotten any. I've decided this coming new year I need to try to start saving as much money as I can so that I can then begin looking for a better job.

So, I'm considering canceling my health insurance. I pay $200 a month, and it's just getting really hard to keep paying that. The problem is, I need my Advair! I sent an email to the girl that works at my doctor's office asking if there is a way I can pay them for the samples they get. I know they sell some prescriptions at their office for really cheap, so I'm hoping that if I can just buy the samples from them it would be cheaper than buying that medication at the pharmacy at $250 a pop!

I'd considered getting a cheaper health insurance plan, but my current carrier doesn't have any cheaper plans, and if I went somewhere else, they would not cover my asthma anyway.

I'm lucky enough to be blessed with pretty good health. I hope to not have to stay without insurance for a long time, but right now I just can't afford it. It's so bad I got a knock on my door yesterday, the cable company came to cut my cable and take my boxes. I've been behind, but they finally came to get their stuff. I had to pay the guy $539. Now I have to try and get one of those pay day advance loans this week so that I can have enough money for my rent at the end of the month, because this set me back big time.

This year has been so hard. I really hope the coming year is better, I'm getting a little tired of living like this.

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 11:13 AM
AG , I totally understand your situation , and I sent you a pm. Hope it can help. :grouphug:

BusterBoo
December 28th, 2008, 11:23 AM
So sorry you are having rough times, I think we have all been there at some point in our lives.

Not sure how your insurance works, but for me, if I were to cancel and try to reapply later, it would more than likely be more expensive. Hopefully you can find a way to keep the insurance and still be able to pay all the bills.

Wish there was something I could do to help you out..... :grouphug:

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 11:29 AM
if I were to cancel and try to reapply later, it would more than likely be more expensive.

Ditto BusterBoo. And her living in the US , there's always the "what if" ..... something happens and she has no insurance. They don't have free health care like we do here.

I saw "Sicko" yesterday (Micheal Moore) I knew it was pretty expensive in the US but didn't know it was that much !!! :eek:

Winston
December 28th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Ag I am so sorry you have been having it tough financially. Sometimes things come up like this and we are faced to make some hard decisions. I dont know if cancelling your health insurance is really a good decision. From what I have heard the US health care is a tough system and expensive. Can you look at alternatives? The reason I say that is because if something happened to you..what would happen to the kitties? Its not likely that you know someone who could take on or help out 5 cats. I was thinking maybe there are other ways. Can you cut back on other expenses to make them minimal? Like cable down to a basic package (your probably alrady at that!) or cut back on some of the kittie exams and only get the necessities? What about looking at a part time job? sometimes there are things you can do from home? or even a part time job on the weekend for a few hours?

I'm not sure what you do for a living but how do you get a bonus? is it performance based? At the very least could you talk to your boss about a raise? Provide him with all of the great things you do and see if he would consider a small raise?

Cindy

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 11:46 AM
Health care is one of the huge issues of this country. Even so called less "advanced" countries give their citizens better health care.

If I canceled my insurance, and reappled later with the same carrier or even a different one, I'd have to submit to a physical exam and the carrier I chose would not cover my asthma for a year.

Unless something changes, I just don't know how I can make this work for much longer.

I've cut back already on so much. I don't know how much more I can cut back on. I don't buy much in the way of groceries for myself, and the next cut would have to be on the food for the gang. Right now it's costing me close to $120 a month for their food. I'd have to find something less expensive and not as good quality, and even possibly have to try dry. I've been trying to avoid that.

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 11:49 AM
If you could find a nice butcher , I'm pretty sure you could feed raw for less than $120.00 , but it would be a bit time consuming.

Winston
December 28th, 2008, 11:57 AM
AG I found out recently that the store I buy my food from gives a better discount based on the volume. So heres how it works..I buy one case of cat food it cost $37.65 per case. If I buy 6 cases they reduce the price to $31.70. In addition if you buy 6 cases you get one free. So you would get s acase of free food and also save $35.70.

Is there anything you could sell on the side to make extra cash? I dont know if you have heard of Tupperware or Avon? This way working from home would be best so there are no travel expenses to incur?

Or what about suggesting you work from home to save some gas money? You boss may go for that? If you have laptop and wireless set up it might work? I may be grasping at straws here but I really think you need to reconsider this one!

Cindy

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 11:58 AM
Ag I am so sorry you have been having it tough financially. Sometimes things come up like this and we are faced to make some hard decisions. I dont know if cancelling your health insurance is really a good decision. From what I have heard the US health care is a tough system and expensive. Can you look at alternatives? The reason I say that is because if something happened to you..what would happen to the kitties? Its not likely that you know someone who could take on or help out 5 cats. I was thinking maybe there are other ways. Can you cut back on other expenses to make them minimal? Like cable down to a basic package (your probably alrady at that!) or cut back on some of the kittie exams and only get the necessities? What about looking at a part time job? sometimes there are things you can do from home? or even a part time job on the weekend for a few hours?

I'm not sure what you do for a living but how do you get a bonus? is it performance based? At the very least could you talk to your boss about a raise? Provide him with all of the great things you do and see if he would consider a small raise?

Cindy

My cable is expensive because I also have my internet on it, and since I have no life, the internet right now is my only social life. If I cut my cable and internet, I'd feel like I really had nothing.

My bonus is based on the company income. The problem is, my boss has been going through a mid life crisis, and his girlfriend (he's married) is taking all of his money and he's too self absorbed and stupid to realize this. He pays himself obscenely well and seems to think I make enough to get me by, so talking to him is impossible.

I've already decided I need to think about getting another job next year but in the mean time, I have to cut back. I don't take the cats in to the vet a lot and right now Kiska is the only one I need to keep watch on because I need to have her liver checked.

Part time jobs aren't easy to find either, but I'm going to see if there's anything out there.

Winston
December 28th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Oh Boy I am brainstorming now. What about a pet sitting service! Or be a dog walker! I think its important that when you work you need to pay yourself so keeping your internet is important. AG before you do it please try everything you can to make it work. I know it must be really hard but we never know what life is going to throw at us and if you get sick...well it could be a lot tougher! and you may kick yourself in the butt later...

I will keep thinking!

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 12:07 PM
:lightbulb:

There's also a strong black market for organs in the US , you could sell a kidney , heck you have 2 , share the wealth :laughing:

just kidding. :p

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 12:10 PM
Luckily, gas has gone down, so it's not as expensive as it was to fill up my tank. My boss would never go for me working from home, he just wouldn't

Someone in my building already put up a dog walking sign.:laughing: Looks like I'm not the only one with financial problems.

I think tomorrow I'll call my insurance company and see if they will let me get an even cheaper plan. If not, I'll look into another carrier. I just changed my plan a few months ago. If I need to go with another carrier they won't cover my asthma for a year, maybe 2, but if I can get my medication cheaper somewhere else, I won't need to worry about that.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 12:20 PM
:lightbulb:

There's also a strong black market for organs in the US , you could sell a kidney , heck you have 2 , share the wealth :laughing:

just kidding. :p

Hey, don't laugh, I've actually been seriously think about selling my eggs!:laughing:

I'm even looking into those medical studies. I called one place but was such a moron I said yes when they asked if I had asthma! :yell: It was just to test a flu drug. Had I kept my mouth shut, I could have made $400!

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 12:23 PM
I've been offering my eggs here more than once and nobody wanted them :sad: probably because they have never met me :angel: because they're quite the deal. :rolleyes:

:laughing:

Seriously , I have thought about it but it's illegal here in Canada. You can give them , but not sell them. :frustrated:

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 12:28 PM
I think you can sell them here, or at least I believe that's what I'd read once. I'm going to look into it because really, I'm not using them and have no interest in using them. And right now, I can use the money!

onster
December 28th, 2008, 12:33 PM
awwwww AG...im sorry you have to go through this.

I urge you not to cancel your health insurance though, if something were to happen God forbid...

I can only suggest you cut down with the cats. I know you want to give them the best and I hope I dont get flack for this but people have perfectly healthy cats that lived for years on grocery brand food. Swheat scoop is really expensive too. It doesnt have to be a permenant change, just temperoraily until you can find a way to supplement your income?

onster
December 28th, 2008, 12:35 PM
oh and :grouphug::grouphug:

pbpatti
December 28th, 2008, 12:39 PM
AG I am so sorry that you are going through this crisis. Have you ever done any sales like Avon or Tupperware?? I know of a newer company called Tomboy Tools, this company sells tools that are built for women, you could sell to all of the women in your complex who have to do their own repairs, in Canada they pays us 30% of sales. go to www.tomboytools.ca and click on the USA site. this is still so new that I think the opportunties can be great.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 12:49 PM
I'm going to look into giving them Fancy Feast. I need to see what the cost would be. I think it will bring the cost of their food down a lot and I think FF is actually the best of the store brands. The Swheat Scoop is expensive. I tried using Feline Pine, which is also natural, but the pine scent made me ill. I don't want the clay litter so switching may not be an option yet.

pbpatti- I tried the Avon route and it was very hard to sell. Most women would rather just go and get their stuff at a store where they can see the product and touch it and get it right there.:shrug:

pbpatti
December 28th, 2008, 12:51 PM
I'm going to look into giving them Fancy Feast. I need to see what the cost would be. I think it will bring the cost of their food down a lot and I think FF is actually the best of the store brands. The Swheat Scoop is expensive. I tried using Feline Pine, which is also natural, but the pine scent made me ill. I don't want the clay litter so switching may not be an option yet.

pbpatti- I tried the Avon route and it was very hard to sell. Most women would rather just go and get their stuff at a store where they can see the product and touch it and get it right there.:shrug: check out the tomboy tools you may be surprised.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 02:13 PM
Those tools are actually super cute. I don't know anyone I could sell those to.

I'm going to sit down and take a look at where I can cut back more. I'm going to see if I can change my insurance plan, which I may not be able to do, since I just changed it.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 02:33 PM
I just did some number crunching, and going by the price of Fancy Feast per can, at Petco, it would actually cost me more per day to feed them FF than to keep feeding them what I currently feed them.

I give each of them about 2 to 3 tablespoons of food per meal. A 12 oz can of Innova yields about 2-3tbps each more or less and a can costs me $1.95approx. A 3 oz can of FF which would yield about the same, costs 56 cents each. So a can for each would cost me $2.80 for one sitting. That's surprising.

14+kitties
December 28th, 2008, 02:34 PM
ancient - you mentioned getting a payday loan or whatever. Is there some way you could ask your boss for an advance or a loan instead of going that route? They want such a ridiculously high rate of interest you won't be doing yourself any favours. You will just be putting yourself in deeper.

Have you ever tried Yesterday's News? I found mixing it half and half with what I was using my cats still used the boxes and didn't seem to mind it too much. It's fairly inexpensive at WM I think. It is here anyway. Also, just until you can get back on your feet, it wouldn't be such a bad thing to use clay litter. I know bad for the environment and all but sometimes you have to put your finances first.

And Onster is right. Cats have done well on grocery brand food for quite a number of years. I think the important thing is to find the best one in the grocery store and go from there. I don't have a choice with what I feed my guys outside. I feed them the best I can. They are all healthy and happy. I know things may change as they age but for right now, I do what I can. That's all that can be expected. I know you do the same for yours and then some. If it's cheaper to feed FF for a while then do it. Heck, even Sugarcatmom feeds FF to Aztec occasionally! ;)

I wish I could help. :grouphug: Hang in there. I think we have all been there!

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 02:44 PM
ancient - you mentioned getting a payday loan or whatever. Is there some way you could ask your boss for an advance or a loan instead of going that route? They want such a ridiculously high rate of interest you won't be doing yourself any favours. You will just be putting yourself in deeper.

Have you ever tried Yesterday's News? I found mixing it half and half with what I was using my cats still used the boxes and didn't seem to mind it too much. It's fairly inexpensive at WM I think. It is here anyway. Also, just until you can get back on your feet, it wouldn't be such a bad thing to use clay litter. I know bad for the environment and all but sometimes you have to put your finances first.

And Onster is right. Cats have done well on grocery brand food for quite a number of years. I think the important thing is to find the best one in the grocery store and go from there. I don't have a choice with what I feed my guys outside. I feed them the best I can. They are all healthy and happy. I know things may change as they age but for right now, I do what I can. That's all that can be expected. I know you do the same for yours and then some. If it's cheaper to feed FF for a while then do it. Heck, even Sugarcatmom feeds FF to Aztec occasionally! ;)

I wish I could help. :grouphug: Hang in there. I think we have all been there!

I've never tried Yesterdays News but I can certainly try it. Is it good with odor control? I can get them one last box of Swheat Scoop and begin transitioning to that.

And yeah, I've worked out the numbers and what I'm feeding them is actually cheaper per feeding than if I changed to Fancy Feast. The store I buy the Innova sells it at what seems to be a very good price.

I can cut back a bit more on my own food which would be easier than finding something cheaper for them, since I think I've found the most inexpensive choice for them.

14+ I can't ask my boss for an advance. He seems to think he's my banker or something, and will only start to ask questions as to why his gracious salary isn't enough for me to live on. I just can't deal with that right now.

The pay day advance does give you a lot of interest, but I'll have to deal with that for now. Ugh, I just have to get through to February. I'm expecting to get some money back for my taxes and that will help A LOT.

14+kitties
December 28th, 2008, 03:06 PM
As I said, I have always mixed the Yesterday's News with their other litter so have never had just it. But a large bag of it costs 13.99 here which means it would probably be cheaper there. It lasts for quite some time. I didn't find it bad for odour control but hubby says I am immune to the smell. :rolleyes: He's probably right. I only change/clean about 10 boxes a day. :laughing: Even the kitties in the garage that come and go are using the box I left in there!

And I know what you mean about asking bosses. There is no way I would ask mine. :frustrated:

Stacer
December 28th, 2008, 03:17 PM
You could always move to Canada, that way you won't have to worry about health care. :D Landed immigrants get the same health care as Canadian citizens.

You'd have to give up beautiful Florida weather for cold, snowy crap. Summers are nice here though ;) and you get used to the cold really fast!

:grouphug::grouphug: Things always have a way of working themselves out!

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 03:24 PM
I just checked the pricing, and Yesterdays News is a few dollars more than the Swheat Scoop I get at Target. At target I get the 14 pound box, and they have the kind that always has 15% more, and they sell if for $9.99

I touched on an idea. I'm going to call my landlord tomorrow and ask him if I can pay him on Jan 15, instead of the first. That would mean I'd have to pay my rent again 2 weeks later, but it would be easier for me to pay him in the 15th since I'll have a little more money and won't be short.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 03:26 PM
You could always move to Canada, that way you won't have to worry about health care. :D Landed immigrants get the same health care as Canadian citizens.

You'd have to give up beautiful Florida weather for cold, snowy crap. Summers are nice here though ;) and you get used to the cold really fast!

:grouphug::grouphug: Things always have a way of working themselves out!

Stacer, don't think I haven't thought of that. If it wasn't for the fact I'm just not brave enough to go off and move to a different country by myself, I'd do it. At least speaking the language wouldn't be hard.:D I know I wouldn't miss the humidity that's for sure.

14+kitties
December 28th, 2008, 03:29 PM
I just checked the pricing, and Yesterdays News is a few dollars more than the Swheat Scoop I get at Target. At target I get the 14 pound box, and they have the kind that always has 15% more, and they sell if for $9.99

I touched on an idea. I'm going to call my landlord tomorrow and ask him if I can pay him on Jan 15, instead of the first. That would mean I'd have to pay my rent again 2 weeks later, but it would be easier for me to pay him in the 15th since I'll have a little more money and won't be short.


Weird! Here it's the other way round. Well, maybe not. I have never found the Swheat Scoop. Something close to it though is very very expensive here.

Could you give him part on the first and the rest on the 15th?

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Weird! Here it's the other way round. Well, maybe not. I have never found the Swheat Scoop. Something close to it though is very very expensive here.

Could you give him part on the first and the rest on the 15th?

The cheapest is the Feline Pine, but I really really can't stand that smell of pine. To me it smells worse than the poop!:yuck:

I'll ask him if I can pay him part of it. At least he'll have some and then I can pay the rest on the 15th. I'll call him in the morning. I just can't bring myself to do it today.

hazelrunpack
December 28th, 2008, 03:45 PM
So you've lost your cable now? Internet alone can be a lot cheaper, and if DSL is available you won't lose on speed. Get yourself a couple of the digital converter boxes and you'll get a few more channels than you would without them...after a while you won't miss cable anymore.

My :2cents:: Don't drop your insurance--the asthma will be a problem down the line if you want to pick some back up.

But do start looking for a new job now! It sounds like the small bonuses you've been getting are the beginning of financial difficulties for your boss caused by his new love interest :rolleyes: Network, post your resume online, search the classifieds as often as you can...but don't wait to save money first or you'll never find that new job. Now is the time to look--and the earlier you start, the sooner you'll find something :goodvibes:

I hope something comes up soon, AG! :grouphug:

mummummum
December 28th, 2008, 04:01 PM
I'm sorry you are going through this AG ~ :grouphug:

Most Landlords are willing to be flexible (within reason of course) particularly when they want to keep a good tenant.

But, please don't give up your health insurance ~ we need you well and so do your kitties. :o

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 04:02 PM
I've still got cable. I paid what I owed, and to get DSL I'd have to re-connect my land line, which I can't afford. I don't like any programs on regular TV, if I did I'd have no problem cutting my cable, but I only watch the stuff on History channel and TLC and Animal Planet.

I'm going to see if I can change my health plan again. If they will allow me to change to something cheaper that would help.

I've got to get my resume updated and I'm going to see what's out there. What frosts my ass is, here my boss is telling me he's helping his GF pay her rent, in the same breath he's telling me we have to wait to see what we make at the end of the month to see what my bonus will be.

He is always saying how I'm like a sister to him and how I'm one of his closest friends. Frankly, I'd rather be less sisterly and less of a friend and have him just be professional and pay me what I'm worth.

14+kitties
December 28th, 2008, 04:05 PM
I've still got cable. I paid what I owed, and to get DSL I'd have to re-connect my land line, which I can't afford. I don't like any programs on regular TV, if I did I'd have no problem cutting my cable, but I only watch the stuff on History channel and TLC and Animal Planet.

I'm going to see if I can change my health plan again. If they will allow me to change to something cheaper that would help.

I've got to get my resume updated and I'm going to see what's out there. What frosts my ass is, here my boss is telling me he's helping his GF pay her rent, in the same breath he's telling me we have to wait to see what we make at the end of the month to see what my bonus will be.

He is always saying how I'm like a sister to him and how I'm one of his closest friends. Frankly, I'd rather be less sisterly and less of a friend and have him just be professional and pay me what I'm worth.

Maybe that's what you should tell him. But then again, maybe not. In these troubling times it's better to hang on to a job, no matter how bad, than to be out of work.
Maybe just a part time WM job or something to tide you over. :shrug:

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 04:11 PM
I'm sorry you are going through this AG ~ :grouphug:

Most Landlords are willing to be flexible (within reason of course) particularly when they want to keep a good tenant.

But, please don't give up your health insurance ~ we need you well and so do your kitties. :o

I'm going to try and get a cheaper plan, even if I have to change carriers. If I can managed to get my medication without paying full price, I may do that.

My landlord up to now has been very nice and flexible. Hopefully he'll understand and be able to wait.:fingerscr

Maybe that's what you should tell him. But then again, maybe not. In these troubling times it's better to hang on to a job, no matter how bad, than to be out of work.
Maybe just a part time WM job or something to tide you over. :shrug:

No, I can't say that. If I did, he'd feel like I was being greedy and selfish and like I was back stabbing him or something. The best thing I can do is be a hypocrite and pretend nothing is wrong.:rolleyes:

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 05:09 PM
You could always move to Canada, that way you won't have to worry about health care. :D Landed immigrants get the same health care as Canadian citizens.

You'd have to give up beautiful Florida weather for cold, snowy crap. Summers are nice here though ;) and you get used to the cold really fast!



Here , she wouldn't have to move :D :

http://www.hookacanuck.com/

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 05:12 PM
LOL, I'll bookmark that!

chico2
December 28th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Aww AG,I am so sorry,but things have a way of working out,hopefully they will for you too.:fingerscr
Do you not have any family that could give you some help???

You could spend some time on the Internet and check out different Health-Insurances,the same as we do with car-insurance,but do not cancel it right now.

I have often thought that you do bring your sweet kitties to the vet a little too often,they do not need to be tested all the time.
Something like regular Wellness tests are really not needed on young healthy cats.
As for the litter,I checked out Swheat-scoop here and for my 2 huge boxes,it would cost me $39,I refuse to pay that amount for litter,I am still using the clumping clay,changing all of it every 2 weeks.
With the economy being the way it is now,a lot of bosses have an excuse,not to give raises or bonuses,for most people today,it's a thing of the past:frustrated:
You are in a very difficult situation right now,as most of us probably have been at one time or another,but hopefully you'll be able to dig yourself out...


.

mummummum
December 28th, 2008, 05:22 PM
Here , she wouldn't have to move :D :

http://www.hookacanuck.com/

Frenchy ~ this is CANADA (the real land of the free and the brave :D) ~ you can marry her :p

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 05:24 PM
Frenchy ~ this is CANADA (the real land of the free and the brave :D) ~ you can marry her :p

So she can divorce me and get all my money ? :rolleyes: na ha ! :laughing:

she doesn't need any more problems :D

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 05:54 PM
Chico, I'm hoping that the new year brings better things. I'm going to keep my eyes open. I know what I need to make as far as salary. So I'll be looking for positions that pay that. The only two I need to take for some vaccines are Maks and Kiska, and I needed to have Kiska's liver checked. But that's not anything I can't wait a little bit on I think.

I wish I could get my income tax now, because I really need it.

Frenchy, at this point, I'd marry you for your health insurance! Could you imagine that menagerie of pets? :laughing:

otter
December 28th, 2008, 06:40 PM
AG.... I totally understand your reluctance to ask your boss for $$. I was in similar predicament as you a few years ago. I was going to be bankrupt because my drug costs were so high. I asked my boss if he would cover part of the cost of a drug plan for me... turns out he said "no" but I did find out that I could get coverage WAY cheaper if it was through the business. I had him take out a plan for me (well basically I did all the work and he signed a paper for me), and I payed for the whole plan. The plan was through the chamber of commerce (of which the business was a member). Does the business have any "affiliations" with larger networks who may offer group insurance plans? Something worth looking into to reduce health costs .... don't cancel your insurance, please!

Let me know if I can help with any info on this... I'd be more than happy to help with some research or whatever I can

:grouphug::grouphug:

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Otter, he won't take out a plan for me through the company. Apparently, his accountant had advised him against it, or so he told me. That's why he had me just do an individual plan.

I have a couple of options. If I can't get a lower coverage plan from my own carrier, I'll look into another carrier. I just need to find a way to still be able to get my medication without paying an arm and a leg, since any new carrier would not cover my asthma.

otter
December 28th, 2008, 06:54 PM
Otter, he won't take out a plan for me through the company. Apparently, his accountant had advised him against it, or so he told me. That's why he had me just do an individual plan.


I'm really starting to dislike your boss... and his accountant :frustrated:

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Right now, my boss is only thinking about himself. He's an incredibly needy person and one of his major issues is he needs to be loved and liked by everyone. He's also very selfish and at this point, is only interested in HIS happiness. Hence, this ridiculous mid-life crisis.

I just found a website that sells the Advair I use for $74 per disk, and $61 for generic. It's called drug world Canada. I had no idea Advair had a generic, because when I've asked about it at the pharmacy I've been told it doesn't:frustrated: Nice.

When I have some money, I'm going to order some from there. I have to see how it would work with prescriptions.

otter
December 28th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Right now, my boss is only thinking about himself. He's an incredibly needy person and one of his major issues is he needs to be loved and liked by everyone. He's also very selfish and at this point, is only interested in HIS happiness. Hence, this ridiculous mid-life crisis.

I just found a website that sells the Advair I use for $74 per disk, and $61 for generic. It's called drug world Canada. I had no idea Advair had a generic, because when I've asked about it at the pharmacy I've been told it doesn't:frustrated: Nice.

When I have some money, I'm going to order some from there. I have to see how it would work with prescriptions.
I understand... my old boss and yours seem to share some commonalities :frustrated: Nice guys, with some issues :laughing:

Be really careful with those online pharmacies... alot are crocks, they sell phony drugs or drugs from Mexico of questionable quality. Is Advair a prescription? If not I can check on pricing for you in Canada at a legit pharmacy and see how it compares with what you are finding

Karin
December 28th, 2008, 07:07 PM
AG, I haven't had insurance since going through cancer treatment in 2002, I could not afford to keep it up.
Here in Florida and probably all over our country, Doctors are teaming up with their own clinics offering health care for free or on a sliding scale based on income. This is a huge tax write off for them, so it's win/win all the way around. I have been going to Trenton Medical since the beginning of last year. My office visit payment was $20 and all Rx's are $5 each, thet have their own pharmacy. Another is the Acorn clinic in Alachua which also offers dental work for a 3 county area.
Check with your local health department. Go on line. I'm willing to bet you have a Doctor's group like this in your area too. They are all over up in N. Central Florida and growing!
I get better care than when I had insurance!

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Grace says she has first dibs on frenchy so if you marry her you have to adopt grace. psssst. she has a really good drug plan:thumbs up

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:09 PM
I understand... my old boss and yours seem to share some commonalities :frustrated: Nice guys, with some issues :laughing:

Be really careful with those online pharmacies... alot are crocks, they sell phony drugs or drugs from Mexico of questionable quality. Is Advair a prescription? If not I can check on pricing for you in Canada at a legit pharmacy and see how it compares with what you are finding

Otter, yes Advair is a prescription medication. I use the 250/50 diskus.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:12 PM
AG, I haven't had insurance since going through cancer treatment in 2002, I could not afford to keep it up.
Here in Florida and probably all over our country, Doctors are teaming up with their own clinics offering health care for free or on a sliding scale based on income. This is a huge tax write off for them, so it's win/win all the way around. I have been going to Trenton Medical since the beginning of last year. My office visit payment was $20 and all Rx's are $5 each, thet have their own pharmacy. Another is the Acorn clinic in Alachua which also offers dental work for a 3 county area.
Check with your local health department. Go on line. I'm willing to bet you have a Doctor's group like this in your area too. They are all over up in N. Central Florida and growing!
I get better care than when I had insurance!

Karin, that's good to know. Now that you mention it, I may know someone who can give me some info. I'll ask my doctor if he's got any kind of plan he works with that's like this. Like I said at the beginning, I'm pretty healthy. My only issue is the asthma.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Grace says she has first dibs on frenchy so if you marry her you have to adopt grace. psssst. she has a really good drug plan:thumbs up

:laughing:Isn't that something? Nowadays you don't look at a person's income to marry them, you look at their health benefits!

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:14 PM
I understand... my old boss and yours seem to share some commonalities :frustrated: Nice guys, with some issues :laughing:

Be really careful with those online pharmacies... alot are crocks, they sell phony drugs or drugs from Mexico of questionable quality. Is Advair a prescription? If not I can check on pricing for you in Canada at a legit pharmacy and see how it compares with what you are finding

Otter the problem is trying to get it to her, i've sent the same advair to her twice now and it gets sent back, ummm second time with a not so nice note:D. still haven't given up.

otter
December 28th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Otter, yes Advair is a prescription medication. I use the 250/50 diskus.

I can check pricing for you, just FYI.

BTW I paid more than $200 a month for insurance (including drug/dental with 80% coverage) here in CANADA!!! Medical care in Canada is FAR from free :frustrated:

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:19 PM
if we can get them to her i can get them for $2. but i haven't been able to get them across the border.

otter
December 28th, 2008, 07:20 PM
Otter the problem is trying to get it to her, i've sent the same advair to her twice now and it gets sent back, ummm second time with a not so nice note:D. still haven't given up.

hee, hee, I have a connection with someone traveling to Florida soon... I could try and reserve some suitcase space :D I'm sure he's got asthma :D:D
(oh dear, am I gonna get in trouble for saying this... )

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:23 PM
well i have one sitting here waiting for her and i can grab another before your friend leaves, i can get them to you. no law shipping them in canada just taboo to cross the border. they take no space at all:thumbs up

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Aslan, $2!!!! Wow, that's a huge bargain!

Otter, where is your friend stopping at in Florida? I'm in Miami. Is he flying in? I don't want anyone getting in trouble for asthma medication.

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:27 PM
ag i think if they were open they wouldn't even stop him, i've never been stopped or even asked about my inhalers. yeah my drug plan covers all but $2. so i have the one i keep sending you, and i can get another and mail them to otter(if she pm's me her address). Your other inhaler i've never heard of, i use the ventolin.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:29 PM
That would be very helpful if I had those. It would give me 2 months of medication. I'm going to send a message to a friend of mine who works for this one new health clinic. I'm going to ask her for a list of the doctors they use and I'm going to talk to the girl at my doctors office tomorrow. If I can get something like a clinic for less than what I'm pay for my current plan, I may go for it.

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:40 PM
lol on a roll now, left messages at both mom's and sis's to see if they can get you atleast one each so that's 4 mths.

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Grace says she has first dibs on frenchy so if you marry her you have to adopt grace. psssst. she has a really good drug plan:thumbs up

Now you guys do know I don't have any money right ? :p

AG , you know your cats DON'T need vaccination EVERY year ! There's a new protocol about it .... I have it printed out but erase the e-mail about it :yell: will look it up and get back to you if you like.

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:41 PM
grace just wants you for your land.:D

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Hopefully Otter's friend will be coming down close enough to me so I can meet him with the stash.:laughing:

Frenchy
December 28th, 2008, 07:44 PM
grace just wants you for your land.:D

But , but .... she does know I'm freaking adorable right ? ....

I feel so used :sad:

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 07:45 PM
ummmm shall i remind you, you don't have big boob's/:D

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Now you guys do know I don't have any money right ? :p

AG , you know your cats DON'T need vaccination EVERY year ! There's a new protocol about it .... I have it printed out but erase the e-mail about it :yell: will look it up and get back to you if you like.

Frenchy, my vet told me they need the distemper every 2 or 3 years. Maks and Kiska are the only two that haven't gotten their s yet and getting them both vaccinated will cost me $60 and then that's it for a while.

I'm going to ask our accountant at work when he can have my 1040 done, so I can get my taxes done and sent ASAP! If I do my taxes online, I can get my refund within 2 weeks! If I can get my info when I get back to work, I can hopefully get my money quickly.

Karin
December 28th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Karin, that's good to know. Now that you mention it, I may know someone who can give me some info. I'll ask my doctor if he's got any kind of plan he works with that's like this. Like I said at the beginning, I'm pretty healthy. My only issue is the asthma.

While you're talking to your Doctor, ask him about the manufacturer of your medication, many of these companies will underwrite the expense of the meds by the prescribing physicians by request only! This is not advertised but again, it is a write off and they do need that. If it is a needed medication, you can be supplied for free.
The health care system does need a rework but I found many caring doctors and medical facility's that are changing how they operate due to the many people who are lacking. This benefits all.
Trenton Medical, where I go now, also has a Pediatric clinic, 3 pharmacy's and services a tri-county area. So I have to drive almost 20 miles, no big deal.
The Acorn Clinic also serves 3 counties, mine not included.
They are sprouting up all over!
Ocala & Orlando has them too.
I had a complete physical including rads and ekg and 2 Rx's last year for $30 total. I made the appointment, filled out the paperwork and within 20 minutes I was in. The 20 minute wait was for everything to be put in the computer.
I was so impressed with the care I received I still go back even though my income changed and I pay a higher rate.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 07:56 PM
I'll see what I can get my doctor to do for me. Free meds would be ideal.

onster
December 28th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Now you guys do know I don't have any money right ? :p

AG , you know your cats DON'T need vaccination EVERY year ! There's a new protocol about it .... I have it printed out but erase the e-mail about it :yell: will look it up and get back to you if you like.

Yep :thumbs up I dont need to get onnie and bunduk vaccinated for another 3 years :D

ive been trying to rack my brains all evening for a way to help out ......i wish i used advair! I have a whole whack of symbicort (when i went to egypt i took a huge amount to give to my bro but he didnt need it anymore).

badger
December 28th, 2008, 08:22 PM
AG, you could have the titer test done before vaccinating, to see if their immune response is still active. Of course, the titer test may be more expensive than the vaccs. Distemper is the one my vet thinks is important as well. I'm afraid to say that most of mine are way behind :rolleyes: I do think a wellness check is a good idea for the older ones - Badger just passed his with flying colours - but none of the others see a vet unless a problem arises.

A few weeks ago, my neighbour's cat ripped her leg open, probably on the fence; I caught her licking it and the ugly truth was revealed. You could quite clearly see the bone. The wound was almost an inch wide and 2-3 inches long, no longer bleeding, quite clean. I knew that the chances of her seeing a vet were pretty much nil (based on past experience) but hoped that they would be shocked enough to consider it.

They had just had their fourth child the day before and his mother-in-law was there holding the fort, a very kind woman. Hoping to save her daughter from a fat vet bill (we agreed it would be 2-300$), I held the cat while she laid down a fat trail of Polysporin lengthwise into the wound and then wrapped the leg in several winds of sterile gauze. I changed the dressing maybe twice after that; the wound looked better and better, not even a hint of infection. The cat made no effort to tear the bandage off except close to the end, probably because it was itchy. There is barely a scar.

This is not an argument in favour of do-it-yourself vetting - it could have gone badly - but I have to admit I was mighty impressed. She is one tough cat.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 08:42 PM
Yep :thumbs up I dont need to get onnie and bunduk vaccinated for another 3 years :D

ive been trying to rack my brains all evening for a way to help out ......i wish i used advair! I have a whole whack of symbicort (when i went to egypt i took a huge amount to give to my bro but he didnt need it anymore).

Onster, I've been using my Symbicort that I had left over. I wish there was a way I could get that from you. I don't know anybody that is traveling to Canada :sad:

onster
December 28th, 2008, 08:45 PM
if aslan is going to send something to otter, i could just send to otter too? or to aslan to send to otter?

are there different kinds of symbicort?? I could send u at least 3/4 full things.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 08:51 PM
AG, you could have the titer test done before vaccinating, to see if their immune response is still active. Of course, the titer test may be more expensive than the vaccs. Distemper is the one my vet thinks is important as well. I'm afraid to say that most of mine are way behind :rolleyes: I do think a wellness check is a good idea for the older ones - Badger just passed his with flying colours - but none of the others see a vet unless a problem arises.

My vet told me my younger guys didn't need another wellness check for at least another 2 years. I do need to get Kiska back in to get her liver checked, which showed some elevations somewhere. Czari is 4 so she's my oldest girl. If anything she's the one who might need to be checked more regularly, but she's been quite healthy so far :fingerscr

A few weeks ago, my neighbour's cat ripped her leg open, probably on the fence; I caught her licking it and the ugly truth was revealed. You could quite clearly see the bone. The wound was almost an inch wide and 2-3 inches long, no longer bleeding, quite clean. I knew that the chances of her seeing a vet were pretty much nil (based on past experience) but hoped that they would be shocked enough to consider it.

They had just had their fourth child the day before and his mother-in-law was there holding the fort, a very kind woman. Hoping to save her daughter from a fat vet bill (we agreed it would be 2-300$), I held the cat while she laid down a fat trail of Polysporin lengthwise into the wound and then wrapped the leg in several winds of sterile gauze. I changed the dressing maybe twice after that; the wound looked better and better, not even a hint of infection. The cat made no effort to tear the bandage off except close to the end, probably because it was itchy. There is barely a scar.

This is not an argument in favour of do-it-yourself vetting - it could have gone badly - but I have to admit I was mighty impressed. She is one tough cat.

No I agree, you shouldn't substitute real vet care, but I know there are certain things we can do ourselves. When I thought Vlad had ringworm, I bought sulfer soap at the pharmacy. I used that on him for a couple of weeks and his hair grew back well, even though he didn't have ringworm. The vet told me that was a brilliant idea. If you think about it, the treatment they use is a sulfer treatment. It just made sense to use a sulfer soap. And the vet had also told me to buy neosporin, cream to put on him too. So that's a human medicine we can use on them for cuts. I have bandage and cotton, so heaven forbid they should ever get some sort of cut, I at least have something to treat them wtih. The biggest thing is they are indoors, so that's half the battle in keeping them healthy, and luckily I don't have to buy them any flea treatment. The only thing my vet suggested was getting them heartworm medication, which would cost me about $25 a month so I can start doing that probably at some point.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 08:56 PM
if aslan is going to send something to otter, i could just send to otter too? or to aslan to send to otter?

are there different kinds of symbicort?? I could send u at least 3/4 full things.

I think otter was going to find out if one of her friends who will be traveling is coming to Florida and see if he would take some stuff down here.

I'm using one that is 160/4.5. I have no idea what that means.:shrug:

I have an online friend who has a boyfriend in Canada I think. I don't know where in Canada he is. I'm going to ask her. She sees him I think once or twice a month. Maybe she can get him to bring it over.:fingerscr

onster
December 28th, 2008, 09:05 PM
:goodvibes::goodvibes: that transportation can be figured out. aslan, what did they write on the 'nasty' note? lol:evil:

and yeah i agree somethings with the vet you can do at home. Most online sources/ vets say that you *must* bring a cat in when it has an abscess. One of my cats a long time ago got one and before we knew what happened it had burst. My mom squeezed all the puss out :yuck:, sprayed cologne on the wound :eek: and I used a high concentration salt solution plus polysporin to clean the wound and prevent a scab forming before it healed. My cat was vicious at the vets and would definately need to be sedated for treatment but at home, he let us put alcohol and salt solution, no fuss at all. i was annoyed with my mom at first that she didnt let me rush him to the vet but she said if it showed any bad signs we would..it healed perfectly fine. The same cat had a urine infection and they kept him overnight to get a urine sample from him and we were supposed to pick him up first thing in the morning......by 4pm they didnt call so i called them, wheres my kitty :yell:. When we came in they said they had been trying to pill him for 4 hours....my mom opened his mouth, popped the pill in and gave him a cuddle :rolleyes: lol.

onster
December 28th, 2008, 09:06 PM
ack ..now that i think of it my parents were in miami airport all but a week/2 ago (4 hour layover).

aslan
December 28th, 2008, 09:12 PM
lol, the polite version is " it is a big no no to transport, plants, medication, etc across the canada/us border." meanwhile i can have a case of it in my car and drive across. idiots.

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 09:15 PM
:goodvibes::goodvibes: that transportation can be figured out. aslan, what did they write on the 'nasty' note? lol:evil:

and yeah i agree somethings with the vet you can do at home. Most online sources/ vets say that you *must* bring a cat in when it has an abscess. One of my cats a long time ago got one and before we knew what happened it had burst. My mom squeezed all the puss out :yuck:, sprayed cologne on the wound :eek: and I used a high concentration salt solution plus polysporin to clean the wound and prevent a scab forming before it healed. My cat was vicious at the vets and would definately need to be sedated for treatment but at home, he let us put alcohol and salt solution, no fuss at all. i was annoyed with my mom at first that she didnt let me rush him to the vet but she said if it showed any bad signs we would..it healed perfectly fine. The same cat had a urine infection and they kept him overnight to get a urine sample from him and we were supposed to pick him up first thing in the morning......by 4pm they didnt call so i called them, wheres my kitty :yell:. When we came in they said they had been trying to pill him for 4 hours....my mom opened his mouth, popped the pill in and gave him a cuddle :rolleyes: lol.

I'd be afraid of not taking them for an abscess, but it sounds like your mom knew what she was doing. Miguel says that he remembers in Cuba many people never too their pets to vets. They not only treated their own pets at home, but they ate anything and everything and all lived to very old ages.:shrug:

Oy, who would have known. Your parents were right in my back yard!

ancientgirl
December 28th, 2008, 09:18 PM
lol, the polite version is " it is a big no no to transport, plants, medication, etc across the canada/us border." meanwhile i can have a case of it in my car and drive across. idiots.

I don't know what the big deal is. It's medication for pete's sake. :frustrated: I have a headache from thinking about my finances.

I think I need to get to bed. I'm going to talk to my landlord first thing in the morning to see if he'll let me slide a little on my rent next month. If he does, it will be a huge weight off my shoulders until pay day.

Thanks everyone for all of your help. I really do thank my lucky stars the day I found this place that fateful day back in May of 2007.

You are all angels.:grouphug:

onster
December 28th, 2008, 09:20 PM
LOL :offtopic:

but this reminded me of when my mom tried to smuggle, of all things, stuffed pigeons into canada. UMM..yeah. So in egypt, we eat pigeons (not the normal street pigeons) and we stuff them with rice. My mom felt sooooooooooooooo bad for mobro that he didnt get to go to egypt and have this delicacy that she cooked one and froze it and put in the luggage (yeah ummmm no comment). she thought it would be ok cuz it was cooked. We also had some dates with us which was what she was worried about, cuz she figured those might be illegal ( she honestl thought the pigeon was not). Sooo to be safe, she wrote the dates down on the customs card, turns out dates are fine :shrug:..but then she saw the biiiiig poster with the things u cant bring in. There was a cooked chicken right in the poster. I was like omgomgomg were gonna get arrested and my mom was like :eek::eek:...sooo he officer was about to clear us when my mom goes...so...you cant bring chicken in? Officer: no Mom: not even cooked chicken? Officer...:confused: uhh no. Mom: what about pigeon? :wall::wall: *this is the point where i was backing away slowly* Officer: no..umm ma'm do you have cooked pigeon in your bags?? Mom: Nono..no..umm..she's all red. The officer laughed and let us through...I think he knew we did have it, DUH lol but thought poor lady hahaha. THEN when were getting the bags and we JUST took the bag with pigeon in it off the luggage thing, she notices those dogs that sniff bags and starts calling it over cuz its "soooo cute" ..ummm MOM..LOL

and that is why onster prefers to travel without her mom.

Sorry to hijack ancient, lol.

onster
December 28th, 2008, 09:21 PM
night ancient, sleep well. :sleepy: Im sure it will work out :grouphug::grouphug:

luckypenny
December 28th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Sorry to hear you're having a rough time, ancientgirl. I think you got some great advice and support already. I just wanted to add, that if you should ever consider it, feeding raw would cost you pennies per day, literally. I just prepared meals for two cats that ought to last 3-4 weeks...did the math and it works out to about 25 cents a day for both cats. You could save over 100$ per month and you wouldn't be compromising the quality of their food :shrug:.

chico2
December 29th, 2008, 08:17 AM
WOW,the pets.ca network on a roll again,you girls/guys are the best:thumbs up
Too bad nobody is driving to Florida,in the 20 yrs we've driven to S.Carolina nobody ever checked our car and we crossed over with a lot of stuff..sssshhhh:laughing:

ancientgirl
December 29th, 2008, 12:32 PM
I talked to my landlord this morning. He said he can wait until the 15th of January for my rent. That's going to help me a lot. I'll still have to pay him on the 15, then 2 weeks later again, but I'll have the money and hopefully at the end of the month I'll have a little extra money from a bonus. And then hopefully my tax return. I should get what I need to do my taxes around the first week or two of January. The minute I get that I'm filling out my return via the internet, which will get my my money fast! I expect to get some money back this year.

As for the um...stuff, I want to thank you guys for trying, but I really really don't want anyone to get into trouble.

I'm going to speak with my doctor's office and if I can get enough to last me for this month, once I get my taxes I can pay the stupid deductible I need so i can get my medication. Right now my deductible is $250. I have to pay that and then my benefit kicks in, so after that I'll pay $45 a month for the meds, which is still a lot but better than not getting them and better than my friends getting into trouble.

I appreciate you guys trying to help me like this, really, there aren't many people who would try as hard. But like I said, I don't want anyone to get into trouble!:grouphug::grouphug:

I feel better today. Knowing that I don't have the pressure of not having enough money to pay my rent at the end of the month, was driving me nuts.

Dracko
December 31st, 2008, 12:11 AM
Too bad you couldn't find yourself some nice, handsome pharmaceutical rep to date. ;) My ex was one and let me tell you, they usually have LOTS of samples. One of the drugs he repped was Maxalt for migraines. They were $16/pill at that time. He used to have sample packets in the garage and they'd get driven over, stepped on, etc and he'd throw them in the garbage! I always used to think about the people out there who'd kill to have them free.

When I first met him he repped Vioxx (before it was pulled). EVERYONE asked him for samples.

He used to barter with other reps for drugs that his parents took and his company didn't make so he could get them free.

krdahmer
December 31st, 2008, 02:11 AM
Well all I can say is financially I am looking forward to starting a new year.... we had to park our truck and took a $56000.00 hit for it, and are another whopping $30000 in debt! Wooo good riddance 2008 I say. Hopefully the new year will be better for everyone money wise! :goodvibes: :pray:

As for you AG, if you do look for a part time job, what about one at a pet store, just a couple nights a week or one day on the weekend is a few extra bucks and maybe a discount on pet supplies! And I know when I was really broke and without benefits for almost 6 months my doctor was nice enough to give me the advair samples he had (I think that is the MOST expensive thing I take, plus if they don't give out the samples, they expire and get thrown out anyhow! what a waste!).... oh and you mentioned a generic, as far as I know there is no approved generic for advair yet, so I'd be careful. You'll figure something out... and great that your landlord is understanding (ours had to be a couple times this last year too, but I never feel guilty about that because they charge a ridiculous amount for this house anyhow).

:goodvibes: for you and the kitties in the new year! :grouphug:

ancientgirl
December 31st, 2008, 09:56 AM
Dracko, thinking back, I should have gone into the pharmaceutical rep business myself! I really only need one medication now daily, and wouldn't you know it's unbelievably expensive. It's sad to know many times those samples are just thrown away, when there are people out there in dire need of them.

Kr, from your lips to g0ds ears. We can all use a better year, in many ways.

I started very late trying to get my finances in order. I managed to settle two credit card accounts and am going to try and do the same for another one. I've got two more cards I'd like to keep but need to pay down. Luckily they weren't accounts that had high amounts, but they are maxed out simply because everything has skyrocketed I had to use them to make up for what I wasn't making in pay.

I've been observing the cats, and I think I've been over feeding them. I was giving them 3 tablespoons of food each feeding, but they didn't really eat all the food. So for the last several days I've been cutting back to 2 tablespoons each feeding and they still leave a bit, but not so much I have to throw out a lot of food when next feeding comes. So, I think I'll be able to get an extra couple of days of feeding from the regular amount of food I buy them.

I've got to find my resume. I know I've got it on a disc somewhere, if not I'll have to create it again and just start putting it out there. The job market stinks, but you never know.

onster
December 31st, 2008, 10:35 AM
:goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: all round.

Youre on the right path AG :thumbs up

ancientgirl
December 31st, 2008, 11:36 AM
Onster, I just have to pay more attention to things from now on.:D

I think that will help with my spending.

chico2
December 31st, 2008, 01:06 PM
AG,I used to feed my cats 3 times daily,they would share a 5,5oz can of Wellness each feed.
Vinnie is really putting on the Lb's and I am a little worried.
Now,I've started buying the 12oz cans and give them half in the morning and half at night and they seem ok,save a bit of money too.

ancientgirl
December 31st, 2008, 01:19 PM
Yeah, that's about right. When it was just Vlad and Oksana, they would share one 5.5 oz can and there would still be some left over for the evening meal. I feed my gang twice a day. In the morning before I go to work, and in the evening when I come home.

They always eat a little, then go off and play and come back to their plates throughout the day. I noticed that there was still a lot left over with I was throwing some away. This morning I fed them all from 2 5.5 oz Merrick Cowboy Cookout. They each got two tablespoons and walked away satisfied. Last night I fed them from a 12 oz can and have enough left for a little snack this afternoon.

I think if I measure their food better, they'll be okay and it won't cost me a whole lot more than what I'm spending and may even help me save some money. They are all maintaining their weight really well and aren't over eating so I'm happy about that.

onster
December 31st, 2008, 01:59 PM
vinne is in the same boat onnie is in chico.....ive started to cut down food. He's started to be interested in things like lettuce now (for the first time ever he had some romaine yesterday). I think he thinks were starving him now and he must hoard all supplies :rolleyes:

ancientgirl
December 31st, 2008, 02:10 PM
I know many people frown on treats, but I give my gang treats after dinner.

I'll give them maybe 10-15 little pieces of these Whiskas temptations treats nightly. I usually buy them the ones that are the Naturals, and I also sometimes give them Organix or Greenies (my vet told me they changed the formula so it's better), and they are all maintaining their weight.

Now and then, when I make myself some pasta with olive oil, I let Vlad and Oksana have a few strings of pasta. LOL, last night I was making some ricotta with a little spenda, and I took a little of the plain ricotta and Vlad and Oksana were going nuts over it. I also gave Vlad a few pieces of scrambled eggs this morning.

I remember my vet saying that as long as they weren't eating a huge amount for dinner giving them some treats wouldn't hurt, and I've been checking their weight regularly.

Maks is the lettuce stealer over here. :laughing: I can't take my eyes off the salad plate when I make one, because Maks will steal the pieces.

Jim Hall
December 31st, 2008, 05:39 PM
i wish i could find a treat du likes right now its half and half or ourina kitty kibble

manda will try anything and usually likes it lol

ancientgirl
December 31st, 2008, 05:51 PM
My gang love their treats. When I shake the plastic container they ALL come running.:laughing: