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Maurac24
November 3rd, 2008, 09:22 AM
Hi

I am really looking for some ideas.
I have a 5 year old DSH cat( I also have one LH calico and another tabby).
He has been healthy most of his life (sick as a kitten with the usual stuff).

In July he started vomitting and slowed down on eating. I took him to the vet they ran blood work (found nothing) he had no fever and the vet looked him over and said there was no sign of kidney problems, dehydration etc. He had lost weight. Otherwise he was normal.

I gave him antibiotics and some appetite stimulant. The vomitting stopped for the most part. But I did notice that he was chewing funny and really wasn't enthusiatic about eating. I was giving him tuna or chicken but he really refused to use his teeth.

I have had him back to the vet 4 times since and they can't find anything wrong.

Now I asked my vet to look at his teeth EACH time I was there and she said she doens't see anything that would put a cat off his food. So we continued giving him tuna etc for some time.

Then he seemed to improve for about 3 weeks; eating more (and his own cat food), more livley etc.
I was THRILLED. Finaly he was getting better.

Then a few days ago, he vomited again. I actually saw him..he was throwing up and backing up at the same time. It looked wierd to me, but I have to admit it's the first time I have seen him vomit. So I can't say if it's normal for him or not.

I keep thinking there is something wrong with his teeth! I cooked him some chicken this morning and he was so excited..but licked at it and anything he did try and chew fell out of his mouth.

Now he purrs and plays..and otherwise is mostly OK

I am confused! Can someone make some suggestions?
My vet says the next step would likely be dental xrays..very expensive.

Thanking you in advance.
Maura

aslan
November 3rd, 2008, 09:32 AM
it does sound to me like there is something wrong with his teeth. i'm very surprised it isn't one of the first thing your vet would look for. I would either request the x-rays or find another vet.

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 09:41 AM
His teeth or his throat could be the problem. I am wondering about the vomiting and the cause of that :shrug: I don't know if an infected/cracked tooth would cause that issue.

What cat food are you feeding your kitty, if it is kibble I would try some slightly watered down cat food. If your kitty really likes chicken, then add some water and pulverize it, so your kitty can easily lick it up.

Maurac24
November 3rd, 2008, 09:48 AM
Thanks Alsan...my vet tells me that an infected tooth should be visible without an xray..but that sometimes you need a dental xray to see absessed teeth :shrug:

Hi love4himies

We have fed them Medi-cal for years now. They get mostly wet food and sometimes dry good.

I also keep thinking there is some infection in the mouth or throat..I was thinking the vomitting was from a build up of infection in the tummy? Woudl that happen?

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 09:58 AM
Signs of infections should show up in his bloodwork in WBC, GRAN, LYM or MON counts so the vet would have some indication.

Medi cal is not really a great quality food and can be part of the problem. Puddles used to eat poor quality food and would vomit all the time, changed her to Wellness grain free and rarely does she ever vomit.


Here is how to read your kitties bloodwork:
http://www.catdoctor.com/info/?category=4&article=8

Maurac24
November 3rd, 2008, 10:03 AM
:eek: Medi-cal is not a high quality food? Oh dear!

It is the preventative formula as my one Tabby boy had a UBlockage YEARS ago, so we switched them all to it.

Hmmm can you give me some suggestions regarding canned food that would be better quality?

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 10:10 AM
Poor quality food can take a while to show signs of the kitty's health not thriving. Before I changed Puddles' food, DH and I thought she only had about a year left to live. She's had permanent kidney damage since she was a year old so we thought this was the beginning of the end. Changed her food and a year later, her fur looks like it did when she was a young adult, she developed muscle mass (previous you could feel her spine :sad:) and her fur thickened and she is much more energetic.

She was never really "sick" through out her life either, and nothing but high blood calcium was showing up in her bloodwork.

If you kitty is vomiting, could it be the stomach acid that is causing some irritation in the esophagus?

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 10:16 AM
:eek: Medi-cal is not a high quality food? Oh dear!

It is the preventative formula as my one Tabby boy had a UBlockage YEARS ago, so we switched them all to it.

Hmmm can you give me some suggestions regarding canned food that would be better quality?


Best thing for kitties with UTI issues is raw, then a high quality cat food. My recommendations are: Absolutely NO kibble should be in that kitty's diet.

Compare ingredients:
http://www.medi-cal.ca/diets/diets.php?diet=43&page=ingredients&lang=en
My favs:
Nature's Variety Instinct:
http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat_can

Wellness Grain Free: Changed ownership back in the summer and there is some controversy about it now, but they state they haven't changed anything.
http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_wellness_can_beef_chicken.html

Organics by Nature (I find only Sweet Pea will eat this food and only the chicken and makerel)

http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/productpages/organiccannedcat.php#ttl

I used to feed Puddles some Fromms, but since it is made in China I don't anymore, can't trust anything from China, even their human grade ingredients:

http://www.frommfamily.com/products-fs-c-c-chicken-duck-tuna.php

It did help switch Puddles to a quality meat diet from her poor quality stuff though.

All real human grade meat. :thumbs up

Here is some good reading:

http://www.catinfo.org/

Maurac24
November 3rd, 2008, 10:29 AM
Hi Love4himies


I JUST posted to the food board! :thumbs up

I tried the EXACT diet from the catinfo org site.
<sigh> the other 2 cats LOVED it, Mr Sick wasn't eating much but he was very interested in it and eating some of it.
<sigh> I stopped it because it constipated my 14 year old female..and it really scared me.

i might be willing to try it again if I could ensure she would not get constipated!! Any ideas?

P.S I loved making the food and feeding it to them. I felt they were getting such a good diet!

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 10:36 AM
You can try adding a bit of real cooked pumpkin (not pie filling) or baby food: butternut squash to give your kitty some fibre.

To get Puddles to change food, I sprinkled some freeze dried human grade salmon that I pulverized (she was a fish addict). Bought it at Global Pet Foods. You can also try some grated parmisean cheese. Cheese may make your kitty constipated so I wouldn't give that to your senior.

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 10:38 AM
Oh, too much bone (calcium) can make your kitty constipated too.

Maurac24
November 3rd, 2008, 10:38 AM
Maybe I will try the pumpkin. I was adding psylium as they suggested.

Maurac24
November 3rd, 2008, 10:43 AM
Do you think that chicken thighs have too high bone to meat ratio?

Tundra_Queen
November 3rd, 2008, 10:48 AM
When Willie got very sick a few years back, the vet didn't know what was wrong with him. He was in the hospital on iv for a long time, they finally figured it might be inflammed bowel sydrom, but they were never 100 % what was causing it. He was put on a special diet.

He still gets sick every so often, but I'm thinking that might be because his food dish needs to be raised up 2 inches so the stomach acide doesn't flow the wrong way.

Good luck with your furbaby.

Debbie

Maurac24
November 3rd, 2008, 10:50 AM
Hi Tundra!!

Was your furbaby chewing funny? Was s/he vomitting?

Thanks

Chris21711
November 3rd, 2008, 11:08 AM
Maybe I will try the pumpkin. I was adding psylium as they suggested.

My 13 yr old cat Herbie suffers from constipation at times, I add psyllium to his food, apparently if given too much it can further constipate your cat. I add 1/4 teaspoon to his wet food and mix with water almost to a thick soup consistency.

One of our Cat Guru's Growler also suggests a little unsalted butter and salmon oil, here is a link to the salmon oil she sent me
http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/salmon_oil/salmon_oil.html

CaptainOlimar
November 3rd, 2008, 12:17 PM
:eek: Medi-cal is not a high quality food? Oh dear!


I know! For the price you think it would be good for them. This forum is a great place for advice. I've switched from Medi-Cal to grain free. It's only been a day but the cats love it. It does make sense to feed them raw or at least grain free as that's what their digestive systems are evolved to eat.

Good luck with your kitty, I hope they figure this out.

krdahmer
November 3rd, 2008, 12:38 PM
Wellness Grain Free: Changed ownership back in the summer and there is some controversy about it now, but they state they haven't changed anything.
http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/cat_wellness_can_beef_chicken.html


I used to feed Puddles some Fromms, but since it is made in China I don't anymore, can't trust anything from China, even their human grade ingredients:

http://www.frommfamily.com/products-fs-c-c-chicken-duck-tuna.php

http://www.catinfo.org/


I've been having issues with the Wellness too, the only flavour they seem to like is the salmon and trout, but on the upside 4 out of the 6 are eating at least a bit of the watered down wellness! (Man did that ever take some work!) And :eek: about the Fromm! I had no idea the canned was still made in China, I use the dry Duck/Veg one, but it's made in Wisconsin.(I called to make sure.)

Best of luck Maura to you and your kitty, hope you get it all figured out! :goodvibes:

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 12:44 PM
Their canned is produced in China:

http://www.frommfamily.com/frequently-asked-questions-general.php#q6

Their kibble is produced in the states.

Love4himies
November 3rd, 2008, 12:46 PM
When Willie got very sick a few years back, the vet didn't know what was wrong with him. He was in the hospital on iv for a long time, they finally figured it might be inflammed bowel sydrom, but they were never 100 % what was causing it. He was put on a special diet.

He still gets sick every so often, but I'm thinking that might be because his food dish needs to be raised up 2 inches so the stomach acide doesn't flow the wrong way.

Good luck with your furbaby.

Debbie

IBD and IBS can cause vomiting in humans. Any cat I know who has had IBD did better on a raw diet than canned or kibble.