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canada and decriminilisation of da toko

melanie
July 21st, 2004, 10:06 PM
heoolllloooo lovelies. just heard the radio news, and a smooth talking canadian man had a little report about your decriminilisation of pot/marijuana and your priminister. well i had to laugh, he said in his smoooooooth canadian voice
"current studies show 1 in 8 canadians admit to smoking dope, doubled number in the past 10yrs. but this is still not as high as those statistics of australian maijuana use' :D :D lol lol lol oh hysterical. such a funny comparison to use.
weelllll after that i am definatly RALFMAO, so funny, so many similarities between us, all a bunch of bloody pot heads, yahhhhoooooo, lol lol lol :D
good luck with it, it is only the law in a couple of states here but we are pushing for more. :eek: just shocking- oh i shake my head in disdain, what is the world coming to :D :D :p

glasslass
July 21st, 2004, 10:11 PM
Melanie . . . :eek: . .you didn't just take a toke did ya? Me . . I prefer a nice glass of wine! :p

Luba
July 21st, 2004, 10:13 PM
(Luba looks around...goes to grab a glass of water.....) LMFHO

melanie
July 21st, 2004, 10:14 PM
well you never know do you?? ha ha ha. but i love wine too, and esp that wonderful golden ale, beautiful beer. lol, oh sooooo funny. RALFMAO :D

Sneaky2006
July 21st, 2004, 10:16 PM
I'd rather have the pot :)

glasslass
July 21st, 2004, 10:38 PM
With wine, you don't wake up the next morning with red eyes, all lethargic and good for doing nothing, and knowing you really, really blew the diet! ;)

Sneaky2006
July 21st, 2004, 10:43 PM
I was kidding, sort of.
And believe it or not, any alcohol makes me feel horrible!! I can't even stand the smell of it.
The eye thing doesn't bother me anyway, my eyes are always red cause they don't like my contacts.
Ok, I totally agree with blowing the diet, lol.
Melanie? You still with us? Or did you pass out? :D

Catt31
July 21st, 2004, 10:51 PM
Munchies anyone????? LMFAO

Sneaky2006
July 21st, 2004, 11:23 PM
Melanie's probably raidin the fridge as we speak! lol :D

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 01:45 AM
no you big bunch of smart asses, the fridge still has some food. :D
glassy after a few good years as a smoker your eyes dont really turn red anymore, its a tolerance thing, you just get glassy eyed sometimes :D and many of us are bouncing out of bed, being totally hyper and not lethargic at all, maybe that is associated with the bad eating habbits many smokers develop, eating junk and whatever, not being healthy.
i dont drink much, i used to be a real boozer but have stopped that nonsense, it just makes me be baaaad, seriously annoying and cheeky and take far to many risks that have not always been good risks :eek: (cheeky me, no neveeeer) :p i could never have a glass and leave it :( .
but i believe each to their own, what ever floats the boat :D .
here 1 out of 5 admit to being smokers, it is a pretty comon thing. and i know many a person who has achieved lots of things as smokers, normal lives just smokers, they work, get degrees, have lives etc. BUT then i know so many people that have totally become paranoid freaks and lazy fools as smokers, it is just a personality thing, who you are but i suppose that is for most things isnt it??.
hey did anyone notice luba never made it back with that water, hmmmmm hope she is not too shocked with me or paraniod lolololololololol:p :p :p

Cactus Flower
July 22nd, 2004, 02:10 AM
Say it isn't so :eek: .

Did Canada really make it legal?

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 02:22 AM
no legal is a bit different to decriminilisation and your priminister is just reintroducing an attempt at new bill or something like that.
decrim is where you can legally have a small amount of pot. here it is a few grams and a couple of plants in the yard, but only for personal use, lg quantities still illeagle and still get you in jail. it really is a very good way of reducing financial prob for society associated with ppl being busted, like the waste of court and police time, associated court cost etc. yes you can still be fined for certain reasons, but that is far better than going to court and wasting valuable time and societies money but u still get the fine. quite effective here.

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 02:23 AM
sorry cactus, not your priminister, theirs :D :D

Cactus Flower
July 22nd, 2004, 02:32 AM
LOL well I am originally from Canada, but I left when Trudeau was "my" prime minister.

Thanks for the info. My brother is still in Ontario and partakes in this habit.

I'll put my opinion on "mute" regarding this issue.

Freyja
July 22nd, 2004, 10:22 AM
It really is a personality thing, like anything. My ex uses pot to self medicate, he has pre-existing mental health issues that he refuses to deal with so the pot just exacerbates the issues. People can get addicted to anything really, if it helps them avoid dealing with their life. Pot, booze, drugs, work, porn, sex, internet, gambling, you name it. The majority of people are able to carry on life enjoying sex, the internet, occasional trips to Vegas, a glass of wine and yes the occasional toke without ill effect. Just cause there are people who abuse is not a reason to make it illegal. Can't criminalize sex cause there are sex addicts, can we?

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 11:42 AM
Alcohol causes so many deaths,drunk driving and such,i see nothing wrong with pot being legal,you never here someone was driving stoned and killed family of five,then you have cigarettes,so addicting and causes so many deaths,but they are legal..........

sammiec
July 22nd, 2004, 11:55 AM
In Canada it's referred to Driving Under the Influence, I believe that's mean to cover drinking and driving as well as any other substances... They really have no road side test for pot smokers - that's something else that they are working on. But on one can really get arrested driving while high beacuse they have no way of proving it - they can't simply ask for a urine test on the side of the road. :eek:

We are slowly phasing out smoking in Canada - higher cigarette prices, not smoking in public (pretty much). It's very difficult to be a smoker in Canada - I quit 2 years ago, my hubby still does though. It's sick the amount of money wasted on a pack of smokes. :rolleyes:

I believe there is a psychologial addiction to pot smoking rather than a physical. People love the high and they do it so frequently that they just don't know how to cope without... :(

Donna Marie
July 22nd, 2004, 12:24 PM
I used to be a toker.....many many many years ago (quit before I was pregnant). It seriously doesn't bother me either way, I know plenty of people who still do it.

Now if I ever became in need of some serious pain medication, I would choose pot over pills. Synthetic drugs do more harm than good over time to your body. I was overpresribed pennicillin in my teens, up until I was about twenty one. I can't take it now without it having negative effects on my body. So it will be puff instead of pop for me!

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 01:43 PM
I am a cig smoker myself,they run about 5.00 a pack,i think it is mostly mind over matter and a matter of willpower,which i dont have right now,it is a habit very hard to kick.Used to smoke pot in my 20', dont know,i just dont see why alcohol is legal but pot is such a no no

sammiec
July 22nd, 2004, 01:45 PM
I used to be a toker.....many many many years ago (quit before I was pregnant). It seriously doesn't bother me either way, I know plenty of people who still do it.

Now if I ever became in need of some serious pain medication, I would choose pot over pills. Synthetic drugs do more harm than good over time to your body. I was overpresribed pennicillin in my teens, up until I was about twenty one. I can't take it now without it having negative effects on my body. So it will be puff instead of pop for me!

I'm with you!! I think I'd much rather have a puff that an pop too!! :D Luckily I have never had a problem with prescription drugs, but I think I would feel a lit-tle more comfortable using natural" remedies...

sammiec
July 22nd, 2004, 01:48 PM
I am a cig smoker myself,they run about 5.00 a pack,i think it is mostly mind over matter and a matter of willpower,which i dont have right now,it is a habit very hard to kick.Used to smoke pot in my 20', dont know,i just dont see why alcohol is legal but pot is such a no no

5 bucks a pack is pretty good... ours can run you abour 8.50 a pack!!!

Why it's not legal - government. 'nuf said. If they can grow it just as well and they can get a cut of the money, They'll be in. Canada's government is trying that right now, just can't grow the stuff quite as good I guess.

I think when they bust these grow ops. that they find they should force the people to grow it and supply it for the goverment. But I don't think that would turn out.... maybe instead of burning all their plants, just keep them adn sell it themselves. :D

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 01:52 PM
OH MY GOD 8.50 That is crazy........................

Donna Marie
July 22nd, 2004, 01:52 PM
I am a cig smoker myself,they run about 5.00 a pack,i think it is mostly mind over matter and a matter of willpower,which i dont have right now,it is a habit very hard to kick.Used to smoke pot in my 20', dont know,i just dont see why alcohol is legal but pot is such a no no

You will quit when you are ready to quit....I understand. I smoked for twenty years (12-32). It will be our four year anniversary on October 3 for quitting.

Smokes up here in BC run you about $7.00 or more a pack.

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 01:54 PM
It is hard,when i drink,when i first wake up,after s*x,after a good meal,it goes on and on...

sammiec
July 22nd, 2004, 01:56 PM
It is hard,when i drink,when i first wake up,after s*x,after a good meal,it goes on and on...

LOL, that's so funny!! I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. I find it REALLY hard when I have a drink not to crave a smoke. Then I end up shoving chips or something in my mouth... :D

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 02:13 PM
I know so sad,i will kill myself by smoking but dont want to quit cause i dont want to gain weight.....Great priorities

Donna Marie
July 22nd, 2004, 02:24 PM
I know so sad,i will kill myself by smoking but dont want to quit cause i dont want to gain weight.....Great priorities

Keep your dietary intake, or improve it with better foods, and exercise. I wish I had done so when I quit smoking, but I was always munching on a candy or two....it adds up.

Heather MH
July 22nd, 2004, 02:25 PM
Smoking pot is as good a legal here in Canada. Your not going to walk down the street in broad daylight smoking, even though I was at Tim Hortons getting lunch the other day and there were two guys in the parking lot smoking, and not trying to hide it.

Smokes here in Calgary are $10.25/pack. Now that is ridiculous. We WASTE so much money every month on smokes, everyday I want to quit. I recently did for 3 months which was the longest ever, said I would never smoke again. Then I watched my sister get REALLY sick, acctually I watched her have a gran-mal seizure. My Dad, my other sister and I all stopped on the way to the hospital to buy a pack. I'm not going to quit quitting though. I wish they would make smoking illegal.

Donna Marie
July 22nd, 2004, 02:34 PM
Smoking pot is as good a legal here in Canada. Your not going to walk down the street in broad daylight smoking, even though I was at Tim Hortons getting lunch the other day and there were two guys in the parking lot smoking, and not trying to hide it.

Smokes here in Calgary are $10.25/pack. Now that is ridiculous. We WASTE so much money every month on smokes, everyday I want to quit. I recently did for 3 months which was the longest ever, said I would never smoke again. Then I watched my sister get REALLY sick, acctually I watched her have a gran-mal seizure. My Dad, my other sister and I all stopped on the way to the hospital to buy a pack. I'm not going to quit quitting though. I wish they would make smoking illegal.

You have 25 packs too, don't you? We have 20 packs here in BC.

Sneaky2006
July 22nd, 2004, 02:48 PM
I smoke cigs too, although they are not as expensive here, I get them for about 3.50 a pack.
Pot on the other hand is way different, I don't see myself as addicted or see myself as someone who could become addicted. It's way more expensive so I can pretty much take it or leave it depending on money issues. I don't think it should be illegal, drinking is not illegal, but DUI of alcohol is, just as DUI of pot should be too.
In the states the legality of it differs so much from state to state. Where I am, any amount could be $1000 fine and jail time at the least, but say California, you could have a small amount and get your license suspended and something like a traffic ticket. I really don't think that's fair.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that there's websites that sell cigs for $15 a carton if anyone is interested.

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 03:00 PM
Ares are 20 packs,10.00 i dont know what i would do,when i moved to kentucky in january they wer only 2.50 a pack and 22.00 a carton.........

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 06:15 PM
bloody time zones, i miss so much,. well gooooooood mornin to yas.
i sadly smoke the ciggies, in aussie $$ i pay $7for a pack of 25, i hate smoking and kick myself daily for it. my sister is quitting and has this amazing book, i will find out the name for you, but it is by an aussie bloke who has had immense success, he has written to health orgs worldwide to discuss his system yet they are not interested (i think $$$$$$ has alot to do with that one). anywho he discusses brainwashing, it actually sounds good, will get it when she finishes. he believes we are all brainwashed into thinking it is too hard to quit, as he says you see signs everywhere, 'smoking is addictive' and i am always being told of the hardness of quitting, been told like quitting heroin, the weight gain=all add up to fear of quitting and that is his angle. interesting.
in aus they do have tests for driving under the influence of pot, but currently thay are only used in victoria, NSW will start at the end of year studies show that 1 out of 3 aussie smokers drive regularly under the influence. i would like to say it has no effects on driving, but i cant honestly, it does slow reaction times and causes distraction. here in aus if you are in an accident you must take a blood test asap, that way if you are stoned or pissed they will know.
and i agree the govt will find a way to make money of it soon enough, perhaps a tax, lollollol.
as far as addiction goes, that is again dependant on the person. i have smoked for 14yrs now and i can smoke all i want or not, it doesnt really matter, it is not like i crave a smoke often (during high stress sometimes, but then i crave a cig or a drink as well). depends on many factors such as weather, police and good growing years. and often we do detox and choose not to smoke for a few weeks. (im the fittest cig smoker i know :D ).but we are lucky that our bodies are like this, i know many a person that cant go without.
but i do not advocate young teens smoking as i did, it is not good stuff. at least if decrim we could possibly to an extent put age limits on it (say illeagle for under 18yo) or a bit of control or bigger educational campaigns, and teens with these probs could come foreward for help etc, this is not really encouraged yet.teens have big emotional probs as it is and smoko can exaserbate alot of problems in a teens mind, i know this very well from exp.
it is all a bit funny, humans are so different yet all exactly the same, strange isnt it.

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 06:17 PM
You know what gets me,we can send an 18 year old to WAR,but they cant have a drink...............

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 06:38 PM
i know your law is amazing, in aus you can drink at 18yo, boy talk about not treating them like adults.
forgot to mention my nana in new zealand smokes. a carton of 20's is $75 there, she nearly died at the duty free shop in aus when the girl charged $35, she thought they made a mistake. in NZ pack of 20's $9. now that would be my incentive to quit definatly, smoke or eat. :eek: :D

heidiho
July 22nd, 2004, 06:40 PM
That is crazy,yeah i would have to try and give it up,that is way expensive

glasslass
July 23rd, 2004, 12:51 AM
I've known a few addictive personalities. One friend was an alcoholic, then he became active in AA and became a counselor and did nothing but meetings, he drank Pepsi like water, couple 6packs a day. He bought a camera, decided it was the best camera (not cheap either) ever and bought 6 more just like it. Every thing he does, he goes to extremes. He hasn't gotten into religion yet. I'm sure he'll be a fanatic if he does. To his credit, he stayed sober and it's been over 20 yrs now. Scary thing with the pot though is the company that it keeps. Maybe if it was legal, people wouldn't be forced to take risks to get it. Then there are those that will lace it with something else. If it was legal, you could grow your own and not have to chance it. Here in the Central Valley though, pot isn't the big problem anymore. It's old hat. Now it seems that methamphetamines are everywhere, as well as crack. Now that's really scary! Kids all think they won't get addicted.

melanie
July 23rd, 2004, 05:56 AM
wow that is one addictive personality, but at least he doesnt drink so that is wonderful and helps one understand his behaviours.
i dont quite understand the company it keeps thing comment, i think i do, but i hope your not saying that pot leads to bigger and worse things, cause it mostly doesnt, most smokers i know wouldnt actually know what crack or heroine actually looked like or even how to use it. most smokers do not become junkies or anything like that.
as far as lacing goes, well it is not very common and you would want to be rich to do it. eg. here 2 grams of pot costs $20. a cap of hreoine $50. so it does not seem economically viable to waste heroine on pot, unless you were a very very bad person. i have heard of people lacing stuff to get you addicted to say heroin, very rarely happens and you would have to be buying pot of junkies on the street or really seedy people, and a real smoker would be mighty pissed if it happened and would easily know, a waste of good smoko (most junkies havent the time for any drug other than their bad stuff anywho, would a addict spend half of a hit in $$ for a smoke, doubt it).. look it is all really a quite civilized habit and community, you never get on without a nice hot cuppa and a chat, yes in a teen world it may not be so. but in most normal communities it does not really make any difference.
it is a wild and varied world we live in and it is wonderful to see the world becoming a slightly more tolerant place for different people and spirits. :D :D yas are all just so bloody cute

glasslass
July 23rd, 2004, 06:00 PM
When I say by the company it keeps, I'm referring to the fact that the kids are buying it from illegal sources. I smoked my share in the 70's. Big fear then was that it may have been sprayed with Paraquat (sp?). Most pot came from Mexico and that was the government's answer to eradicate it. People were having some nasty health problems because of it. There was a big bust in the Modesto high schools last May following an undercover investigation. One of the kids charged had taken $10 from the undercover officer and then failed to deliver. We laughed about that, but the truth is, that's a good way to get killed! Not uncommon, believe me. These kids think they know how to handle themselves.

Everybody knows that cops have the best dope! I've heard that expression a lot as a joke, but I remember our friend got his from his neighbor, who was a probation officer! No slur on police officers! Hubby and I were originally law enforcement students in college. Neither of us went into it.

Bill & Bob
July 24th, 2004, 01:43 PM
BC has or at least had the honour of growing the best pot around too. Mel, this stuff knocks you on your butt. Believe me. Although it's still illegal here, the police in Vancouver don't ever bother people for smoking a joint in public unless your pushing it right in their face or making a nuisance out of yourself.

What happened was that the last prime minister introduced the legislation to decriminalize, but it's a hot topic and sat in parliament until they disolved the parliament earlier this year for the summer. Now Paul Martin (new PM)says he's going to reintroduce it. It'll take years for them to push this through, although now I see it as more imminent than other times when people have tried. I'll believe it when I see it.

Bill & Bob
July 24th, 2004, 01:46 PM
And I used to work on the downtown eastside when I was doing social work. Believe me, watch someone doing the 'chicken dance' after they've smoked a few hits of rock cocaine (crack) and you'll really know what addiction is all about. I watched some poor guy trying to pee on a dumpster last week while he was high on rock. He had the whole point and shoot thing down, but forgot to undo his zipper. Yeesh. It didn't even seem like he noticed.