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Concerned about a rescue

bluestar
October 24th, 2008, 08:51 AM
Hi,

My fiance and I adopted our second dog from a rescue in May, but after doing some research into this rescue from previous threads I have found on this site I am a little concerned that they might not be very reputable. The rescue organization says they usually bring dogs from a pound in northern Quebec into Ontario to be adopted. Our little guy was an exception as he came from an Ohio pound. They operate out of Mississauga, ON, although I have found another rescue that has the same description on petfinders that operates in Brampton.

The experience we had with this rescue wasn't bad, and everything seemed normal although it was a rather quick adoption process. We do not have any issues with our boy, I am just concerned as my future mother-in-law is considering adopting a dog and I do not want to recommmend the same rescue if the I discover that there may be problems with them. In hindsight we should have done a little more research into the rescue itself before adopting but we were fairly new at it, our first boy was a shelter dog before we adopted him so things were a little different. I am actually hoping she would go to see a beautiful beagle girl that is at the Mississauga Humane Society.

If anyone knows about this rescue organization from the desciption I can pm the rescue name to confirm.

Thanks,

Dave

BenMax
October 24th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Hi Dave, I work and network with rescues. I am not sure which one you are referring to - so if you PM me I can possibily provide some insight.

Please keep in mind however, that rescues in general are not not reputable in my opinion. Sometimes it takes only one person not to be pleased with a rescue for various reasons (sometimes ridiculous) and will slam a rescue to others. In fact rescues do this amongst each other which I personally feel is really deplorable. All rescues do the best they can with information provided by the past owners/shelters etc.

I would always take a dog from a rescue however - either one. I base my opinion on experience and not the dog or cat that I have taken from a rescue. They can only provide so much information. However (and this is big) a rescue should have the dog or cat FULLY vaccinated, heart worm tested and spay/neutured. You should also be provided with a 30 day health guarantee on HEALTH issues (not temperment).

In my opinion, if you can find a rescue that will allow you to 'foster with the intent to adopt' then this will provide the family with insight on the dog/cat - to ensure that the family and pet mesh well together.

All rescues/shelters are 'good' - after all they are taking in and financially taking care of other people's 'castaways'.

I can talk about this forever because I do not believe that there are bad rescues. I believe that rescues do the best they can with what they have. I say the same for shelters and humane societys.

Anyways - do let me know which one you are talking about. I know many fine places where you can get what you want.

mastifflover
October 24th, 2008, 09:35 AM
I think I know the rescue you are referring to. I would just say be very wary there is no real screening. Use your instincts, they seemed to be working just fine.

bluestar
October 24th, 2008, 09:43 AM
Thanks for your response Benmax. Just trying to pm the name of the rescue but it appears my priveleges don't allow me to pm yet. I will contact a mod first to see if this is something that is limited to by post count or if I need to request to have it activated.

I understand that most rescues and shelters are doing the best that they can with what they have. I know as we agreed to adopt our first dog unneutered and without his vaccines to do them at our own cost. We are fortunate to have a vet in the family, my fiance's stepmother, which helps. It's just I have seen recent questions arising about the rescue from others which concern me. Our experience itself was good, our boy had vaccines and was neutered, and his vet records and tags did correspond to the story that he came from Ohio. It just makes me nervous when I see the mention of 'broker' in connection with the rescue. Most of what I have seen is only hearsay so I don't want to put a bad light on them if as you mention it is just others not agreeing with their practices trying to give them a bad name.

Hopefully I can send the name to you soon.

Thanks for you help,

Dave.

BenMax
October 24th, 2008, 09:56 AM
I think I know the rescue you are referring to. I would just say be very wary there is no real screening. Use your instincts, they seemed to be working just fine.

Can you PM me the name?

BenMax
October 24th, 2008, 10:00 AM
Bluestar - now I am very curious about the word 'broker and rescue'. These are two separate entities and certainly are NEVER put together. I really want to know now......

bluestar
October 25th, 2008, 10:56 AM
I know, seeing those two things mentioned together is what concerned me. I've managed to pm you the rescue name and a little more information on the circumstances.

Thanks,

Dave

kiara
October 25th, 2008, 05:35 PM
A "quick adoption process " would make me very weary. Did they seem anxious to grab your money? Do they have a charity number? This is important, because all the money for adoptions should go to the animals only, not their pockets. Sorry BenMax, but you don't seem to have a clue about rescuing. It is true that there is a lot of bitching and backstabbing among the women and you would wonder what for? We should all be there for the animals and not for some personal gain! The other issue is that we cannot afford to give a 30 day guarantee, or a preview. We have many animals to process. Some stay at foster homes and we really get to know thier personalities. They should be in good health prior to adoption. Including a vet's file i.e. vaccination, de-fleaing, de-worming and spayed or neutered. I personally find your comments unkind, these animals are not people's castaways, but just victims of human cruelty.

totallyhip
October 25th, 2008, 11:02 PM
I volunteer with a rescue and sometimes adoptions do happen fast. However saying that they should still be performing the screening and home check to verify that the dog is going to a good home. I agree that it should be the experience that you got from the rescue that makes them reputable but it should also be how they treat their animals!

The dogs that we adopt out we usually foster them or have them at our kennel for a minimum of 2 weeks so that we can learn as much about them as possible. This includes temperment and health issues. All our dogs are checked by a vet and they are monitored for any health concerns. We do not guarantee our dogs, it would be impossible to guarantee the health of any dog whether it is from a breeder or rescue. If there are health issues that come up during the vet checks then of course it is revealed to the adoptive family. Sometimes we do not know as the dogs do not show any signs of health problems nor were they detected by the vet.

A good rescue will ask that you return the dog to them should you decide at any point in your life that you can not keep the dog for any reason whatsoever.

Our adoption fee includes all vaccinations, spay or neuter, deworming and crates. Most of the money actually goes to pay for the specific dog (shots, spaying or neuter, deworming and crate). The adoption fee rarely covers anything else such as food, housing, transportation and medication. Our adoption fee is a miniumum fee to cover our costs. But some people do donate more and that all goes to the rescue.

I think that if you are uncomfortable dealing with a specific rescue than you should not go back. Rescuing an animal is such a wonderful thing that you can do. Your experience should be treated with respect and compassion.

Frenchy
October 25th, 2008, 11:19 PM
Sorry BenMax, but you don't seem to have a clue about rescuing.

No , YOU don't know BenMax and really should apologize for making that stupid comment !! BenMax has fostered over 60 dogs , has worked and volunteered in shelters , helps placing dogs and cats every day !!!!

Capt. Jack
October 25th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Please try to keep things civil.

14+kitties
October 25th, 2008, 11:41 PM
All I can say is thank you for adopting a dog from a rescue. They really are the castaways of our society. I deal with it daily but wouldn't have it any other way.
BenMax - thank you for jumping in once more and offering your considerable knowledge and your precious time to help! You really are a very very special type of :angel: :grouphug:

totallyhip
October 25th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Yes! Thank you to everyone who adopts a pet. Really rescue is one of the greatest things you could do for an animal. Thank you so much to everyone who has rescued! And thanks to all the wonderful volunteers. I know that it is one of the hardest things I've ever done but I must say it is so rewarding and I wouldn't change it for the world.:dog:

kiara
October 26th, 2008, 01:29 PM
If BenMax is offended by what I said, then I apologize. This is an open forum and I don't really know who he is, or what he does. Now I know, thanks.

Sylvie
October 26th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Thank you everyone who adopts a rescue and thank you to everyone that helps out a rescue :thumbs up

There are many different personalities here on this board, and what I have come to know is that the main thing everyone has in common is the well being of the animals.

Rescuing animals is a very emotional and private thing, because you see all the pain first hand. :frustrated:

All I want to say is keep up the good work, no matter what rescue you work with. :thumbs up I am sure we all have the same goals in mind. To find forever homes for our babies, even though we go about it in different ways.

NoahGrey
October 26th, 2008, 03:19 PM
I think what makes me VERY wary is WHY are they rescuing dogs outside of the province? Why not rescue dogs in Ontario shelters, etc.

Could it be because it easy to get puppy mill dogs across the boarder, then it is to work do this business in Ontario. To easy to get caught.

ACO22

totallyhip
October 26th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Our rescue is in Canada and we work with rescues in Canada and the U.S. We do most of our work with a rescue in LA. We are a breed specific rescue and the reason we bring the dogs across the border is because there are wonderful loving homes here for them. LA has a huge problem with their shelters being over flowing and sometimes the sad truth is that our shelter is at max. capacity (125 dogs) and every weekend there are more coming in that we have to turn away. Its been especially bad since the economy has started getting worst, alot of people are losing their homes to foreclosures. They can't afford to feed themselves or their children so they have to do the unthinkable and get rid of their dogs:(

Some of these dogs may have come from puppy mills, breeders, or just strays. Most of the time with rescue dogs there isn't alot of history.

NoahGrey
October 26th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Our rescue is in Canada and we work with rescues in Canada and the U.S. We do most of our work with a rescue in LA. We are a breed specific rescue and the reason we bring the dogs across the border is because there are wonderful loving homes here for them. LA has a huge problem with their shelters being over flowing and sometimes the sad truth is that our shelter is at max. capacity (125 dogs) and every weekend there are more coming in that we have to turn away. Its been especially bad since the economy has started getting worst, alot of people are losing their homes to foreclosures. They can't afford to feed themselves or their children so they have to do the unthinkable and get rid of their dogs:(

Some of these dogs may have come from puppy mills, breeders, or just strays. Most of the time with rescue dogs there isn't alot of history.

Do you work for a Humane Society? I do. I am not talking about a reputatible charity like the Humane Society/SPCA. I am talking more about people who start their own recues groups.

I have to admit though..I don't even like when HS/SPCA'S do it. I mean there are dogs/cats in area shelters that have been waiting for along time. Why not transfer that dog to another shelter in the province. A dog might not get adopted say at the Kitchener-Waterloo Humane Society, but might get adopted at the Kingston Humane Society.

ACO22

ACO22

NoahGrey
October 26th, 2008, 03:43 PM
[QUOTE=kiara;681516]Do they have a charity number? QUOTE]

While Humane Societies/SPCAS are reputable. There are some registered charities that are bad. Like the one that was closed (cat rescue) not to long ago for unsanitary conditions and the cats had health issues.

Just because it has a charity number behind it's name, doesn't make them reputable.

ACO22

Love4himies
October 26th, 2008, 05:05 PM
If BenMax is offended by what I said, then I apologize. This is an open forum and I don't really know who he is, or what he does. Now I know, thanks.

BenMax is one of my heros and has done sooooo many rescues and fosters. She/he is always ready to offer a helping hand to pets in need.

luckypenny
October 26th, 2008, 09:01 PM
Personally, as long as I'm adopting a dog that's no longer wanted, and who needs me, I'll take it from anywhere. However, for ppl who don't have much experience, or who are afraid of dealing with serious behavioral issues, I often recommend Rescues that work with foster homes where dogs are assessed in a home environment. That's not to say that one can't find a wonderful companion at a shelter though; all three of ours were shelter dogs and, they are the perfect dogs for our family.

I have to add....because of BenMax, we have our Lucky :cloud9:. I could not imagine our lives without him.

BenMax
October 27th, 2008, 10:25 AM
If BenMax is offended by what I said, then I apologize. This is an open forum and I don't really know who he is, or what he does. Now I know, thanks.

It's ok Kiara - no offense taken. BTW 'he' is a 'she'....but I have been called worse. We all have different opinions and experiences, so really it does not matter if I am challenged. Alll I am concerned with is that animals are saved, egos have no place in animal rescue.

Firstly let me say this - (and I agree 100% with LuckyPenny). No matter where to get your dog within any 2nd chance facility - YOU ARE SAVING A LIFE. I personally don't care if the word 'broker' comes into effect - in my opinion you are DEFINATELy saving a life here. No matter what rescues and shelters try to do - brokers will exist. Our laws allow this to happen - and don't think that certain animal controls are not lumped into this cesspool (spelling sorry) - some most certainly are.

Someone asked the question of why take dogs/cats out of province: My opinion is that rescue and networking with other rescues/shelters can and absolutely due cross boarders whether we are dealing with different provinces or countries (mainly Canada and US). A good rescue will source out another good rescue that may 'specialize' in a certain breed thus increasing the chances for that particular dog/cat finding a forever home. For instance - there is an excellent chow/pei rescue here in Montreal. If I ever get a call to re-home this breed, I will contact this rescue immediately. They are specialists within this breed and they have a data base of potential homes. Same goes for Rotties/dobermans and whatever else. For us to keep this breed would be selfish.....it would take far too long to find the right home for this breed.

This is why you would want to outsource with other rescues.

Hope this is helpful and thanks for all those you stuck up for me - I appreciate that you have confidence in me.:) I try my best.

BenMax
October 27th, 2008, 11:51 AM
Bluestar - I am working on this for you. You should hear from me shortly.

Hang tight. Also, what type of dog are you searching for?

bluestar
October 27th, 2008, 03:24 PM
In terms of it being a fast adoption, it took several weeks for our application to be processed and approved itself. Once we were approved we were advised of where we could go to meet the potential dog. We meet the dog at a foster's home and brought our other dog along so that they could both meet before we went through with the adoption. But we did take the dog home that day with us. They did not do a home visit. It would have been difficult to do in our case as we had just purchased our condo and did not move in for another 2 weeks, but they could have done a home visit where were currently renting.

I believe they could have done a lot more checking, fortunately we are a good home for our dogs. The boy we adopted is very healthy, and does not have any issues. He is an extremely good dog, I was just a little concerned that perhaps the rescue may not be up to par when it comes to adopting out their dogs.

Melinda
October 27th, 2008, 03:34 PM
Do you work for a Humane Society? I do. I am not talking about a reputatible charity like the Humane Society/SPCA. I am talking more about people who start their own recues groups.

I have to admit though..I don't even like when HS/SPCA'S do it. I mean there are dogs/cats in area shelters that have been waiting for along time. Why not transfer that dog to another shelter in the province. A dog might not get adopted say at the Kitchener-Waterloo Humane Society, but might get adopted at the Kingston Humane Society.

ACO22

ACO22

just a short note to this reply, our spca does work and exchange animals with the gananoque and or brockville, especially in the case of cats/kittens, if they aren't adopted here after a short while then some go to another shelter/spca

BenMax
October 27th, 2008, 03:38 PM
just a short note to this reply, our spca does work and exchange animals with the gananoque and or brockville, especially in the case of cats/kittens, if they aren't adopted here after a short while then some go to another shelter/spca

That is the way it works here as well - it only increases their chances of a forever home.

I say - why not? I think it is great that we can all work together to find homes. Just a side note - if another shelter or rescue cannot help due to over-population they will provide alternatives or reference to another organization. No harm in sourcing out.

NoahGrey
October 27th, 2008, 03:43 PM
just a short note to this reply, our spca does work and exchange animals with the gananoque and or brockville, especially in the case of cats/kittens, if they aren't adopted here after a short while then some go to another shelter/spca

Good for you. I meant bringing dogs from the states over to here, when you can be helping shelters in your province, country. We also with other spcas in the area. We also work with reputable rescue groups as well.

ACO22

BenMax
October 27th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Good for you. I meant bringing dogs from the states over to here, when you can be helping shelters in your province, country. We also with other spcas in the area. We also work with reputable rescue groups as well.

ACO22

I don't see a problem with that. Afterall - they are also getting animals from here to there. I understand what you are saying - but I think we all use each other in order to find the right family for the animal in question.

NoahGrey
October 27th, 2008, 03:53 PM
I don't see a problem with that. Afterall - they are also getting animals from here to there. I understand what you are saying - but I think we all use each other in order to find the right family for the animal in question.

I do understand were you are coming from. I guess I am just talking on a situation that happened, then Hurricane K hit New Oleans. A manager of a spca flew over there, wouldn't listen to the ASPCA or nothing. Brought all these dogs over. Now what frusates me is that:

1) familes will no longer be able to find their pets, since they are now in Canada

2) she had to move the community dogs to other shelters, causing them to become overfilled and not be able for the other spcas to take in dogs from their community..and in return because she was now overfilled, she could no longer take care of the community strays, which is her first right to her community.

3) She did it for her own publicity. Didn't care about the community or the strays that needed homes withtin her community.

I know I got a little off topic..

ACO22

BenMax
October 27th, 2008, 04:12 PM
I do understand were you are coming from. I guess I am just talking on a situation that happened, then Hurricane K hit New Oleans. A manager of a spca flew over there, wouldn't listen to the ASPCA or nothing. Brought all these dogs over. Now what frusates me is that:

1) familes will no longer be able to find their pets, since they are now in Canada

2) she had to move the community dogs to other shelters, causing them to become overfilled and not be able for the other spcas to take in dogs from their community..and in return because she was now overfilled, she could no longer take care of the community strays, which is her first right to her community.

3) She did it for her own publicity. Didn't care about the community or the strays that needed homes withtin her community.

I know I got a little off topic..

ACO22

It's not off topic at all - it is all relevant. Now I understand what you are getting at. This was not right in my opinion. As I always say 'never bite off more than you can chew'.

It is very unfortunate that there are 'individuals' (not the society itself) that require being heros in times of disaster. They may be a hero to those poor dogs from that particular disaster - but she put her own in peril which is absolutely not right.

If a rescue or shelter has the space - then I say go for it. If they are already over loaded - then they should have passed on helping on this particular case. I have a feeling she may have 'look at me' syndrome.

I hear you ACO22 - and under this particular circumstance - I understand why you asked the question.

totallyhip
October 27th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Yep I agree with you guys in this instance. And yes it is unfortunate that some people do things just for their own ego :sad:

Just for the record however....we don't bring dogs over from the states that don't already have approved homes for. We would never bring a dog over here just to stick in a kennel in the hopes that someone will adopt him. Each and every dog we bring across the border has a wonderful home that has already been approved and checked out.

We work very hard with other rescue groups to find forever homes.

Gail P
October 27th, 2008, 11:05 PM
I adopted 2 puppies that came from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. They would have been born about 4 months after the hurricane, somehow ended up in a shelter at a very young age. The puppy rescue brought them and 13 other pups that were all scheduled for euthanasia (due to overcrowding at the shelter) to Canada and found them homes. Mine were only about 6-8 weeks old when they crossed the border. I don't think spending 3 days on the road each way and saving the lives of 15 tiny puppies was for their own egos. This puppy rescue group also has pups brought down from remote northern communities where there is no vet care (so no spay/neuter/vaccinations available) and up there pups are often shot or die in snowbanks. This particular rescue I think has very good cause for transporting pups great distances to find them forever homes. They are dealing with puppies that would otherwise die or be killed.

BenMax
October 28th, 2008, 09:59 AM
Yep I agree with you guys in this instance. And yes it is unfortunate that some people do things just for their own ego :sad:

Just for the record however....we don't bring dogs over from the states that don't already have approved homes for. We would never bring a dog over here just to stick in a kennel in the hopes that someone will adopt him. Each and every dog we bring across the border has a wonderful home that has already been approved and checked out.

We work very hard with other rescue groups to find forever homes.

Excellent point and very true. For us however there has been a circumstance where an animal that was going to be destroyed and we did take and did put into boarding...a far better alternative. So there are exceptions but we do whatever is possible in order to save lives as long as we are in a position to do so.

BenMax
October 28th, 2008, 10:01 AM
I adopted 2 puppies that came from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. They would have been born about 4 months after the hurricane, somehow ended up in a shelter at a very young age. The puppy rescue brought them and 13 other pups that were all scheduled for euthanasia (due to overcrowding at the shelter) to Canada and found them homes. Mine were only about 6-8 weeks old when they crossed the border. I don't think spending 3 days on the road each way and saving the lives of 15 tiny puppies was for their own egos. This puppy rescue group also has pups brought down from remote northern communities where there is no vet care (so no spay/neuter/vaccinations available) and up there pups are often shot or die in snowbanks. This particular rescue I think has very good cause for transporting pups great distances to find them forever homes. They are dealing with puppies that would otherwise die or be killed.

I agree that egos do not play a role here so this is a seperate circumstance all together.

totallyhip
October 28th, 2008, 12:28 PM
Excellent point and very true. For us however there has been a circumstance where an animal that was going to be destroyed and we did take and did put into boarding...a far better alternative. So there are exceptions but we do whatever is possible in order to save lives as long as we are in a position to do so.

We got our Leia girl in a similiar situation. She was in a kill shelter in Idaho. She had been wandering the streets as a stray for months on her own. When they picked her up she had dog tags on her and they contacted they were able to get a hold of the owner. The owner said "oh that dog....shes been gone for months and we don't want her anymore!" THE NERVE of some people! :frustrated: (I know that us volunteers have seen/heard it all)
So we got a call from a rescue in Idaho (who was full) and they asked if we would consider transferring her to Canada so she would not be euthanized. My boss at the rescue contacted me and told me about her. DH and I were looking for a Leia for our Luke so we figured YES she would be perfect!

Before we knew it she was on a plane on her way home. We had her within 10 days. She is the most sweetest loving dog and I am so happy we have her in our life. :lovestruck:

NoahGrey
October 28th, 2008, 12:29 PM
I adopted 2 puppies that came from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. They would have been born about 4 months after the hurricane, somehow ended up in a shelter at a very young age. The puppy rescue brought them and 13 other pups that were all scheduled for euthanasia (due to overcrowding at the shelter) to Canada and found them homes. Mine were only about 6-8 weeks old when they crossed the border. I don't think spending 3 days on the road each way and saving the lives of 15 tiny puppies was for their own egos. This puppy rescue group also has pups brought down from remote northern communities where there is no vet care (so no spay/neuter/vaccinations available) and up there pups are often shot or die in snowbanks. This particular rescue I think has very good cause for transporting pups great distances to find them forever homes. They are dealing with puppies that would otherwise die or be killed.

While I commend you for taking these guys in. I believe no healthy/temperment sound animal should be put down for cage space. Shelters are just as much as fault.

I know that I will probably get flacked for this, but I think it has to be said. Why go out of the country to rescue a dog from being put down, when you have thousands of dogs being out down in your own province, country? Maybe even your even your local shelter in your city. Is it because it is a New Oleans dog?

These questions are not pointed at you Gail, just general questions for the public.

The reason why I say 'New Orleans dog' is because when this happened I was volunteering at my local shelter. There were hundreds of people that would come in or call up asking "for a New Orleans dog". We informed that we were going to help assit, but we were NOT bringing any dogs back. "However, we do have dogs here in need of a loving home." but NOPE it had to be a 'New Orleans dog'. I guess it must simply must be "I saved this dog from Hurricane K"...I can't think of anything else.

Again, this is not pointed at you, Gail.

ACO22

BenMax
October 28th, 2008, 12:31 PM
We got our Leia girl in a similiar situation. She was in a kill shelter in Idaho. She had been wandering the streets as a stray for months on her own. When they picked her up she had dog tags on her and they contacted they were able to get a hold of the owner. The owner said "oh that dog....shes been gone for months and we don't want her anymore!" THE NERVE of some people! :frustrated: (I know that us volunteers have seen/heard it all)
So we got a call from a rescue in Idaho (who was full) and they asked if we would consider transferring her to Canada so she would not be euthanized. My boss at the rescue contacted me and told me about her. DH and I were looking for a Leia for our Luke so we figured YES she would be perfect!

Before we knew it she was on a plane on her way home. We had her within 10 days. She is the most sweetest loving dog and I am so happy we have her in our life. :lovestruck:

What a beautiful and inspirational story. A happy ending to what could have been tragic. Hats off to your rescue to extend their arms to an animal in need. This is the way it should be.

BenMax
October 28th, 2008, 12:36 PM
While I commend you for taking these guys in. I believe no healthy/temperment sound animal should be put down for cage space. Shelters are just as much as fault.

I know that I will probably get flacked for this, but I think it has to be said. Why go out of the country to rescue a dog from being put down, when you have thousands of dogs being out down in your own province, country? Maybe even your even your local shelter in your city. Is it because it is a New Oleans dog?

These questions are not pointed at you Gail, just general questions for the public.

The reason why I say 'New Orleans dog' is because when this happened I was volunteering at my local shelter. There were hundreds of people that would come in or call up asking "for a New Orleans dog". We informed that we were going to help assit, but we were NOT bringing any dogs back. "However, we do have dogs here in need of a loving home." but NOPE it had to be a 'New Orleans dog'. I guess it must simply must be "I saved this dog from Hurricane K"...I can't think of anything else.

Again, this is not pointed at you, Gail.

ACO22

Unfortunately when the public gets wind of animals that have experienced hardship either due to a tragic event or due to horrific treatment - they do tend to gravitate to that particular dog. Take the puppy mill seizures. Everyone wants the puppymill dogs while the others that are found, surrendered or whatever - sit there waiting.

I totally understand and agree with you. But if I may point out - what happened with the New Orlean dogs was at your location. It does not implicate other locations throughout the province.

Animal controls within this province do not let their dogs go. I do know that there are rescues that are able to move out a few...sometimes at a price and sometimes not.

I think that we can all work together and not discriminate due to borders.

Don't get me wrong - I hear you.

NoahGrey
October 28th, 2008, 12:53 PM
Unfortunately when the public gets wind of animals that have experienced hardship either due to a tragic event or due to horrific treatment - they do tend to gravitate to that particular dog. Take the puppy mill seizures. Everyone wants the puppymill dogs while the others that are found, surrendered or whatever - sit there waiting..

While I understand that people grvitate to animals that have gone through tragic/horrible conditions. I am not saying not too..Of course we should. I have in the past.

Just wish people would also give their communties shelters a second look.

I think that we can all work together and not discriminate due to borders.

I am not discriminating. I believe that US shelters and Canada shelters should work together. We are all going through the same things, when working in a shelter. The more opinions, ideas, views can only beneift our animals living within shelter.

The fact is alot of people look beyond, then their own communities. It is kind of like all of these people adopting out of the country. Why? Look at all the babies that are in need of a loving home in your own country. Is it the status of "yes, I adopted a baby from Africa, or China" Or what?

But that is another topic.

ACO22

BenMax
October 28th, 2008, 01:02 PM
You are absolutely right. Personally, I always go to our shelter and pull out the older dogs and sometimes cats. We have however had urgent requests from other provinces by which we did comply.

This province of all provinces are the worst for animal abandonment. I can't imagine how many deserving animals deserved to live and didn't.

Again, I agree with you.

Gail P
October 28th, 2008, 07:47 PM
While I commend you for taking these guys in. I believe no healthy/temperment sound animal should be put down for cage space. Shelters are just as much as fault.

I know that I will probably get flacked for this, but I think it has to be said. Why go out of the country to rescue a dog from being put down, when you have thousands of dogs being out down in your own province, country? Maybe even your even your local shelter in your city. Is it because it is a New Oleans dog?

These questions are not pointed at you Gail, just general questions for the public.

The reason why I say 'New Orleans dog' is because when this happened I was volunteering at my local shelter. There were hundreds of people that would come in or call up asking "for a New Orleans dog". We informed that we were going to help assit, but we were NOT bringing any dogs back. "However, we do have dogs here in need of a loving home." but NOPE it had to be a 'New Orleans dog'. I guess it must simply must be "I saved this dog from Hurricane K"...I can't think of anything else.

Again, this is not pointed at you, Gail.

ACO22

No worries. I'm not offended, insulted or anything like that. As it happened, I didn't even know my pups came from New Orleans to begin with. The rescue that transported them only made the one trip as far as I know and as they run their rescue from their home and have limited space I believe they brought as many puppies as they could at the time and networked with other rescues/shelters. I found my little guys listed on Petfinder and at that point they were in Bowmanville, Ontario. So no, I was not one of the people to seek out a Katrina dog, I was just searching for a border collie or bc/mix in Ontario and came across them listed. I found out their full story later and contacted the rescue who pulled them to get all the info I could. I imagine the reason that this rescue went down there was to try to make some small difference in the wake of the hurricane. The following year I was looking for another pup (turns out I got 2 again :rolleyes:) and found a border collie rescue just 45 minutes away from me. They had a surrendered female just in that was due to whelp any day and I adopted 2 more from that litter.

BenMax
October 29th, 2008, 09:06 AM
GailP - bless you for taking a rescue...regardless of where they come from. That is the bottom line. You are happy I assume and you saved lives. In essense that is what really matters.

Gail P
October 29th, 2008, 11:46 AM
GailP - bless you for taking a rescue...regardless of where they come from. That is the bottom line. You are happy I assume and you saved lives. In essense that is what really matters.

Very happy with my pack :cloud9: And when I look at them all so enjoying life, running and playing in my fields when we're out doing chores, splashing and playing in puddles and swimming in their pool or the river when I take them, mousing in the chicken coop, running with the dogsled and free running with the snowmobile etc. etc. They're just so active and so happy, I love to just putter around outside playing with them and watching them play and wrestle with each other. I can hardly believe that a couple of them almost didn't get the chance to grow up.

bluestar
October 29th, 2008, 11:51 AM
In our case, when we were choosing our first dog we did look at local shelters for a dog that fit into our lifestyle but couldn't find one that was a good match. It wouldn't have been fair to us or the dog to take in a dog that wasn't a good fit for us. We eventually found one in a shelter about an hour and a half drive north of the city that appeared to be a good match for us. We drove out there to meet him and knew he was ours as soon as we saw him. We were a little dubious about him before we met him since he was a beagle/basset mix and we lived in an apartment building at the time. But from the description the shelter gave we felt he would be a good fit for us, and they were right. Even now that we have moved into a condo building instead of a house, he is a great dog for our lifestyle. He is almost perfect, with just a few minor personality quirks, and we haven't even taken him for training yet, which happens in the winter.

When we started looking for a second dog, we took the same approach, looking for a dog that fit our lifestyle with the added condition that they get along with our first boy Duke. This time we went through rescue and had several dogs in mind that might be a good fit and chose our second boy, Toby, a pomeranian/corgi mix. We didn't even know he was an out of country rescue until we met him. We got another almost perfect boy in him and couldn't be happier with our choices. We wanted the right dog for us and it just so happened that we couldn't find it locally, otherwise we would have adopted a local dog. I guess from an adopters perspective it depends what you are looking for, but at least the rescue and shelter we got them from would now have room to bring in another dog.

BenMax
October 29th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Very happy with my pack :cloud9: And when I look at them all so enjoying life, running and playing in my fields when we're out doing chores, splashing and playing in puddles and swimming in their pool or the river when I take them, mousing in the chicken coop, running with the dogsled and free running with the snowmobile etc. etc. They're just so active and so happy, I love to just putter around outside playing with them and watching them play and wrestle with each other. I can hardly believe that a couple of them almost didn't get the chance to grow up.

I love stories like this. Makes everything worthwhile. I wish more people would look into the rescue/shelter option.

Gail P
October 29th, 2008, 12:52 PM
I love stories like this. Makes everything worthwhile. I wish more people would look into the rescue/shelter option.

Thanks. Even though I am not a rescue, my team is mostly rescued/adopted dogs and I try to promote rescue/adoption and spay/neuter on my site, hence the name Silhouette Racing Rescues and the blurb about rescue on my "about us" page.

BenMax
October 29th, 2008, 12:59 PM
Good for you Gail P. I will have to check it out! So many people see me with rescues. They all ask where I got the dog/cat. I always tell them the truth, and they are completely amazed. Even those looking for 'purebreds' kick themselves after they find out that shelters and rescues are flooded with the unique looking mixes and the purebreds. Right now I have a 10 week old chocolate lab pup that is within our rescue. Everyone who sees him cannot get over the fact that he is infact a rescue.

Personally, I would never ever go to a breeder. I know very well so many dogs and cats wait for forever homes.

totallyhip
October 29th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Even those looking for 'purebreds' kick themselves after they find out that shelters and rescues are flooded with the unique looking mixes and the purebreds. Right now I have a 10 week old chocolate lab pup that is within our rescue. Everyone who sees him cannot get over the fact that he is infact a rescue.

Personally, I would never ever go to a breeder. I know very well so many dogs and cats wait for forever homes.

Yep my Leia & Han Solo are both rescues. Our rescue is 95% purebreed boxers. :lovestruck:

bluestar
October 29th, 2008, 01:32 PM
So many people see me with rescues. They all ask where I got the dog/cat. I always tell them the truth, and they are completely amazed.

I get that a lot about Toby because he is such a unique looking little guy. They always seem shocked that he is a rescue, they seem to think we had to have gotten him from a breeder. One lady even asked me what was wrong with him, as if there should be something the matter with him if he was a rescue. I told her nothing was wrong with him, but something was wrong with the idiot that left him in a box on the side of the road.

NoahGrey
October 29th, 2008, 01:37 PM
One lady even asked me what was wrong with him, as if there should be something the matter with him if he was a rescue. I told her nothing was wrong with him, but something was wrong with the idiot that left him in a box on the side of the road.

Don't you hate people. I work in the Animal Welfare field and I have to admit that since entering this line of work, I am losing my respect for humanity...fast.

How many cats/kittens left in boxes/ditches on the side of the road, dogs tied to trees...

ACO22

totallyhip
October 29th, 2008, 01:44 PM
Totally hate that! My friend told me that she wanted to rescue a 2nd lab. And then someone chimed in and said "oh you have to be careful with rescues....their in there for a reason!"

I HATE THAT type of thinking. I know their in there for a reason! There are so many different stories! Give your head a shake :sad:

BenMax
October 29th, 2008, 03:00 PM
I get that a lot about Toby because he is such a unique looking little guy. They always seem shocked that he is a rescue, they seem to think we had to have gotten him from a breeder. One lady even asked me what was wrong with him, as if there should be something the matter with him if he was a rescue. I told her nothing was wrong with him, but something was wrong with the idiot that left him in a box on the side of the road.

There are sometimes problems with some rescued animals but that is why there are rescue organizations out there that help animals with certain issues. Some issues are due to man and others can be due to bad breeding. Regardless of the reasons, all animals deserve a second chance...imagine 'a second chance'. Thank DOG there is no rescues for humans - they would be booked SOLID!

totallyhip
October 29th, 2008, 03:01 PM
HERE HERE!!! :thumbs up

Gypsyhick
November 9th, 2008, 01:33 AM
I adopted 2 puppies that came from New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. They would have been born about 4 months after the hurricane, somehow ended up in a shelter at a very young age. The puppy rescue brought them and 13 other pups that were all scheduled for euthanasia (due to overcrowding at the shelter) to Canada and found them homes. Mine were only about 6-8 weeks old when they crossed the border. I don't think spending 3 days on the road each way and saving the lives of 15 tiny puppies was for their own egos. This puppy rescue group also has pups brought down from remote northern communities where there is no vet care (so no spay/neuter/vaccinations available) and up there pups are often shot or die in snowbanks. This particular rescue I think has very good cause for transporting pups great distances to find them forever homes. They are dealing with puppies that would otherwise die or be killed.

I have a pup with the same background. We decided to add a dog to our family and checked out petfinder and local rescue groups and found our girl, Voodoo. We had no idea where she was from, only that, first visit, we were madly in love. We learned her story later.

Voo would have been killed if she remained at the shelter in Lousiana due to extreme overcrowding. It's what's happening, right or wrong, 3 days then euthanasia. To bring the dogs up to foster homes to ensure that they aren't destroyed, well, kudos to the people who coordinate saving these souls. Rescue is rescue and if someone that's not in my community needs help, I'm not going to turn my back on them or be upset that others here are working with those that need help.

I don't believe that these dogs are taking spaces that local dogs need nor are any being destroyed for overcrowding here.

MIA
November 9th, 2008, 02:12 AM
http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/rescue.htm