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DNA testing

Catt31
July 21st, 2004, 12:15 PM
Is there a blood test that can tell you what breeds your dog has in him??

Tim is totally curious about Brick and wants to know. I told him, that if there IS one, it will be horrendously expensive!!! :eek: What a funny guy!!! :)

Sneaky2006
July 21st, 2004, 02:58 PM
I don't think there is one. I think there's a test that can determine the DNA of saliva/hair but that's only to match to a relative dog. I don't think they're that clever yet as to finding out the breed, although I'm sure it will happen one day...

glasslass
July 21st, 2004, 03:38 PM
My hubby wouldn't think of asking for a DNA test!! He KNOWS he's Den-Den's papa!!!

Luba
July 21st, 2004, 03:47 PM
That is really funny

A puppy broker just used this line on an unassuming family who knew nothing about mills. The pup, unregistered he said but purebred. She could get a blood test at the vet to determine its pedigree LMFHO then apply to CKG for registration. :p :p

trescanis
July 21st, 2004, 04:17 PM
In short, yes there are tests to determine which breeds are in a mixed breed dog.

it will be horrendously expensive!!!

Is $600-1000 horrendous? (Compared to approx. $40 just for profiling)

TRIVIA: Canines and humans share 75% of the same genes.

Catt31
July 21st, 2004, 04:33 PM
Ayeayeaye!!!! LOL

I'm totally happy with guessing what Brick is!! It isn't that important to spend that kind of $$ on...I'd rather spend that money on toys and treats for all my fur bums!!!! LOL

What is, and where do you do profiling?? (just curious!!)

Luba
July 21st, 2004, 04:34 PM
Trescanis can you post the link/s of where you obtained this information, I would like to read it.

melanie
July 21st, 2004, 05:37 PM
yeah there are some great genetic tests out there to determine breed. the local dingo sanctuary here have all their dogs tested as they are not able to house any dog that does not have dingo in it (against funding policies), they can even tell you how pure to a certain extent, ie if dingo genes dominating, they can also tell wht the dingo is mixed with. i would assume that wolf rescue and sanctuarys would do something along this line also, any one know about them??

Luba
July 21st, 2004, 06:37 PM
REALLY Mel? They must spend a fortune on something like that.

Very very interesting!

glasslass
July 21st, 2004, 06:39 PM
So they spend that much to avoid providing funding? :confused:

Luba
July 21st, 2004, 06:47 PM
Some interesting reading...this is very interesting stuff!

http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/research/canine/

In a very short time, a complete DNA sequence of the dog will become available to academic researchers throughout the world. This resource, which was funded by the National Institutes of Health at a cost of almost $50 Million, renders obsolete all preceding genetic maps of the dog, and creates an entirely new opportunity to tie genes to diseases and traits.

To fully leverage this emerging resource, the Center for Veterinary Genetics at the University of California School of Veterinary Medicine is calling for cheek swab samples from distinct populations of dogs with the express purpose of assembling a comprehensive genetic repository that represents all of 'dogdom'. While the current DNA bank adequately reflects the genetic legacy of more than 100 recognized breeds, an additional 400 international canine populations remain unrepresented.

If you would like to have your dog represent its breed in this unique biological resource, please request a sample collection kit here

melanie
July 21st, 2004, 07:24 PM
sorry should have clarified, the dingo sancturay is funded by public donation and sponsorship from the public of the dogs. the sanctuary is set up to preserve different breeds of dingo from alpine to desert and only dingo. it is a very unique set up. due to the limited finances, they have a policy of taking no dog that is not dingo or part dingo. simply because they are not a resuce, and dont want to become one (although if dogs are dumped on them they usually end up at the home of one of the volunteers), they are not rescuing dogs, just preserving genetic diversity. most dogs in their care have been handed in after capture and rejection due to dingos rambuncious nature. i would imagine they would have a deal for the dna test set up somewhere, as they test all dogs that even may be slightly dingo,. following is the dingo sanctuarys address, they are abotu 10 minutes from me and it is great to se the dogs, did you know dingos dont really bark, they can huff but they mainly howl/cry instead..
http://www.dingosanctuary.com.au/FSDingo.htm
the dingos here are os wonderful, you can even meet one or two of them, but it is in a dingo sort of way, not a normal domestic meeting, very fascinating. followign is pricing from vetgen, an australian comp who specialise in dna testing for breed diseases etc.-
DNA Storage
10 Year Duration, Useful For Future DNA Testing $55

G303
DNA Profiling
Dog/Horse/Cat/Pig/Cattle/Sheep/Goat
Provides Positive Identification via DNA $61

G304
Clear by Parentage
Confirms CLEAR status of pup of CLEAR parents - Price per Animal - (provide Sire & Dam DNA result certificate numbers) p/A.$88

G305
Parentage Dog/Horse/Cat/Pig/Cattle/Sheep/Goat
Confirms PARENTAGE of offspring (includes Profile) DNA required from offspring/dam/sire (Price per Animal)p/A.$88

One $196 Disease Test + One DNA Profile + DNA Storage Provides
$30.00 Discount- $270

the fourth and fifth one is the dna testing isnt it, ie confirming the parentage of sp and similar. it doesnt seem that expensive here.

Catt31
July 21st, 2004, 10:31 PM
Sounds wayyyyy too complicated and almost a bit immoral to a certain degree (almost like cloning)....I'm sure if people really needed to know for disease purposes it would be ok...but just out of curiousity, it seems a bit frivolous!!! Interesting topic though eh?? ;)

glasslass
July 21st, 2004, 10:47 PM
#4 & 5 aren't so cheap. The price is per animal and requires the sire and dam as well = 3 tests @3X the price.

I can see people might consider it useful for identification of a lost pet. However, a microchip is better for that purpose.

Perhaps in a legal dispute over petigreed bloodlines it would be useful.

Luba
July 21st, 2004, 10:58 PM
So from what I've been reading they 'can' in SOME labs identify SOME breeds?

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 01:53 AM
i would think so luba, these people can test and tell if it has dingo in it and that is a breed. i dont know how, how much, but it works and they wouldnt test the dingo if it wasnt worth it. but maybe the expense is ok for the sanctuary as that is their bread and butter, but when sponsoring the dogs it can cost alot, i think somewhere in the $$$hundreds a year, so you would imagine that could cover costs. also thinking about it i could imagine there would be heratige/environmental funding for this sort of thing in australia, govt grants and such, they give money to groups for various environmental works and sp preservation works, you never know. either way they DNA test the dingos and only keep the dingos. ahhh cute dingos :D

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 01:59 AM
can i just apologise for my disgusting writing above, sometimes i type to fast and my fingers get ahead of the words and stuff it. so sorry, amazed you could read it actually.
forgot to also mention the sanctuary breed the dingos so their pureness is very important as there is no point just being like a BYB and breeding anything. great for us they are preserving the genetic diversity though, at least they are thinking ahead, so many species lost cause we didnt act when needed, yay for the dingo people. :D

Cactus Flower
July 22nd, 2004, 02:57 AM
Well I was going to go to bed fifty minutes ago.

But you HAD to post the dingo site.........lol

I met a gal here that had a dingo.
On a chain.
For years and years, until they shot her for her "uncontrollable behavior".
It's so very hard to share the planet with people like this.

But I digress!
Back to the DNA testing.........
I had to chuckle out loud when I read this thread. Because of my field, my mind immediately went to crime scene investigations. "So, what kind of dog do you think did this, Chief?"....."Well....the dna results show..."

Can you imagine??

melanie
July 22nd, 2004, 03:25 AM
poor dingo, should have shot her instead. grrrrrr.

Luba
July 22nd, 2004, 03:23 PM
Google google google woogle !!! lmfho