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Big puppy mill raid in Rawdon

badger
September 26th, 2008, 03:37 PM
That's all I know, just heard it on the radio. More than a hundred dogs were seized.
It is estimated that there are as many as 2000 puppy mills in Quebec. The SPCA woman (not interviewed on the radio) pointed out that most of the dogs found in pet stores come from puppy mills. Let's hope a few people picked that up.
The industry will respond 'vigourously', by pointing out that most of their dogs are trucked in from 'breeders:laughing:' in the States.

luckypenny
September 26th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Puppy Mill Horror
Fri, 2008-09-26 15:21.
Kathy Coulombe



A horrific case of animal-abuse in the Lower-Laurentians. The SPCA raided a puppy mill on Kildaire in Rawdon this afternoon, rescuing dozens of dogs from hellish conditions. They were being kept in steel-cages stacked floor-to-ceiling with several animals in each cage. The dogs were terrified, covered in open sores, infested with parasites and starving. Many were dead. Rebecca Aldworth of Humane Societies International says it's one of the worst cases they've seen.

109 live dogs, 7 cats and a rabbit were seized from the puppy-mill. The SPCA is now looking for foster homes to nurse them back to health. The SPCA's brought on extra people to handle the logistics.

Contact the SPCA or Humane Societies International Canada at 514-395-2914 (hsicanada.ca) if you can foster one of these dogs. http://www.cjad.com/news/565/797473

rainbow
September 26th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Poor dogs/cats/rabbit :sad: :grouphug: but glad to hear they were rescued. :thumbs up

I hope the woman is dealt with harshly but I suppose that's not likely. :rolleyes: :frustrated:

Good luck to the animals.....I hope they find foster homes quickly. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

chico2
September 26th, 2008, 05:18 PM
A never ending story,isn't it,we need to throw these people in jail for a few years,maybe that would help,but not likely to happen:evil:
It's such a lucrative" business",they'll just relocate.
:fingerscrthe poor pups,cats and rabbits will be fine,at least they are out of that horror-situation.

Frenchy
September 26th, 2008, 06:45 PM
I heard about it and rushed to the TV in our waiting room at work. Saw a quick thing about it on LCN at 4 PM. Watched the news at 6 , TVA and CTV , no word about , or I missed it.

I'm wondering who are the "Humane Societies International" :confused: and I sure hope they're here to help with the Quebec puppy mill situation. :pray:

Frenchy
September 26th, 2008, 06:47 PM
I just found this : http://www.hsicanada.ca/puppy_mills/puppy_mill_quebec.html

HelenNutmeg
September 26th, 2008, 08:04 PM
Yes I enquired to see if any hounds are there.. NO bassets so far.. still waiting to hear about other hounds

Frenchy
September 26th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Hi Helen , I'll send you a pm ....

rainbow
September 26th, 2008, 11:43 PM
You guys are great.....good luck. :fingerscr :goodvibes: :fingerscr :goodvibes:

badger
September 27th, 2008, 12:56 PM
What is preventing the press - and the IHS website - from publishing the name of the operation and the name of the perp! Probably because they have not yet pressed charges. How many dead bodies do they have to find without pressing charges? Or is the creep already hiding out in the US, beyond extradition for such a paltry crime?
:wall::wall::wall::wall:
The way the press reports on these raids is so telling. They provide the usual footage of stuffed cages and skeletal and hairless (or matted) animals, invite us to adopt one through the SPCA - all fine - and then don't even give the name of the mill. Are they afraid of the libel laws? Afraid the perp will demand police protection when the death threats rain down?
Someone enlighten me. I dream of putting my hands on this person's neck....but s/he obviously has nothing to fear but a fine.

Frenchy
September 27th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Now I'm not sure but , I think they're still looking for the owners ! Someone on the news (a neighbor) said there wasn't anyone at the mill for the past few days.

It's beyond me we will (tax payers) have to pay for a trial. What a waste of time and money. And if these dogs have to wait until the end of this trial to get adopted .... :wall:

That is my main concern. Fostering is one thing , but fostering a dog for 1-2 years waiting for a trial ... :frustrated:

badger
September 27th, 2008, 01:11 PM
I think the court will let the adoptions go through, Frenchy, if the SPCA petitions it. No way in hell will these people see their animals again, I think we can count on that.

Winston
September 27th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Not so sure about that! God help one of these people if I ever was close enough to one of them! Our laws are sickening!

Sorry had to rant!

Lise
September 28th, 2008, 08:54 AM
CTV in Montreal ran that as their lead story at 6pm.

chico2
September 28th, 2008, 09:10 AM
It was on our news here to on CTV,they showed a poor emaciated black pup and many others:sad:the owners have not been found:yell:

marko
September 28th, 2008, 09:45 AM
arggghhhhh! Can't our province wake up a bit and legislate REAL consequences for puppy millers:mad:

It should NOT be hard to find the owners if the will is there to find them.

In the meantime,as always, it's the animals (and caring rescue people) that are suffering. If any Montrealers wanted to help out, I know the CSPCA could use a hand so please feel free to PM me and I can put you in touch with the right people.

poodletalk
September 28th, 2008, 09:57 AM
Luckypenny, myself and her son spent a day yesterday volunteering at the SPCA MTL helping these poor dogs. Wonderful experience, all the dogs are super friendly and sweet!

I won't be able to go down today to help, I know there looking for volunteers to help day.

If anyone can spare a few hours, the dogs and volunteers would LOVE to see you.

erykah1310
September 28th, 2008, 11:13 AM
The phone was ringing here yesterday over this. As the newest member of the TM rescue in Canada, I got the low down about another seizure a few years back that consisted of many TM's, in the event that there are any this time around the TM group has been contacted.
Does anyone know which breeds were involved.
Canada desperately needs tougher laws for animals, and harsher punishments for millers.
When will this country see this?:shrug:

Frenchy
September 28th, 2008, 12:09 PM
OMG !!! They just showed the owner on tv , says he hasn't done anything wrong , he just saved those dogs from abuse , from another puppy mill :wall: and check this out : he wants them back :wall: :wall: :wall:

There's still no charges against him :frustrated: they have 90 days to do so.

erykah1310 , LP and Poodletalk were helping at the spca yesterday , it seems there's many many different breeds , tiny ones to the biggest (great dane)

badger
September 28th, 2008, 12:17 PM
says he hasn't done anything wrong , he just saved those dogs from abuse

I hope that gets him a psych evaluation....

Love4himies
September 28th, 2008, 12:18 PM
OMG !!! They just showed the owner on tv , says he hasn't done anything wrong , he just saved those dogs from abuse , from another puppy mill :wall: and check this out : he wants them back :wall: :wall: :wall:



I bet that will be his defence and the prosecution will have to prove that he committed the crimes.

Frenchy
September 28th, 2008, 12:23 PM
I hope that gets him a psych evaluation....

I bet that will be his defence and the prosecution will have to prove that he committed the crimes.

:frustrated: nooooooooooooo :wall: wouldn't surprise me :frustrated:

Chris21711
September 28th, 2008, 12:30 PM
I don't know if it is the same in Quebec. Here when animals are seized pending an outcome, although the owner may be granted custody in the end, they have to come up with monies owing to the SPCA for any upkeep and vetting while in the Agency's care. With that many animals it would amount to $$$$$, in the long run the SPCA retains "ownership"

Bina
September 28th, 2008, 12:32 PM
I thought it was especially cruel to see Chinese Crested dogs in the raid. Those poor little sweeties don't even have any fur to protect them. ...And when people see Crested pups in the pet store, they think that they are rare and must have come from a great breeder. GRRR.

Frenchy
September 28th, 2008, 12:40 PM
I thought it was especially cruel to see Chinese Crested dogs in the raid.

I thought the same too , and thank dog they were rescued before winter !

I don't get why these dogs were there , there's not a lot of demand for these dogs here in Quebec.

The whole thing just makes my blood boiled.

Bina
September 28th, 2008, 12:46 PM
I knew a girl who had 2 of them in Quebec and she had quite a wardrobe for them with all the bad weather!

rainbow
September 28th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Good luck to all of you :angel:'s that are helping. :fingerscr :goodvibes: :fingerscr :goodvibes:

hazelrunpack
September 28th, 2008, 05:54 PM
I don't get why these dogs were there , there's not a lot of demand for these dogs here in Quebec.

Maybe they're not marketing them in Quebec. The puppy mills here evidently sell a lot of them to the markets on the East and West Coasts. :sad:

coppperbelle
September 28th, 2008, 08:41 PM
I thought the same too , and thank dog they were rescued before winter !

I don't get why these dogs were there , there's not a lot of demand for these dogs here in Quebec.

The whole thing just makes my blood boiled.

I was at a park or somewhere this summer and saw a couple with two of these dogs. They had them dressed up. It was very unusual. :shrug:

Frenchy
September 28th, 2008, 09:15 PM
I was at a park or somewhere this summer and saw a couple with two of these dogs. They had them dressed up. It was very unusual. :shrug:

I think they have to be covered when under the sun , and when it's colder ... they must have sensitive skin , no protection at all. :sad:

JulieH
September 30th, 2008, 12:23 PM
I'd like to help out but I can't reach anyone ! Any idea where else I can call ?

I tried calling the SPCA several times this morning and no answer. I did leave a message on the Foster voice mail but it only opens at 4pm...

If anyone has any other ideas, you can PM me - I'm off to bed as I work nights this week but I'll see it at 5pm.

Frenchy
September 30th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Julie , wait a bit , they should call you back. But right now they are extremely busy .... so it may take a while.

Thanks for helping ! :thumbs up

BenMax
September 30th, 2008, 12:33 PM
I'd like to help out but I can't reach anyone ! Any idea where else I can call ?

I tried calling the SPCA several times this morning and no answer. I did leave a message on the Foster voice mail but it only opens at 4pm...

If anyone has any other ideas, you can PM me - I'm off to bed as I work nights this week but I'll see it at 5pm.

Read my last post. It explains.

BenMax
September 30th, 2008, 12:36 PM
This is taken from another thread where you were asking the same question."

"Julie - I was there yesterday for an unrelated reason - they are swamped with calls and cannot keep up. Please remember that there are other calls regarding animals in peril, distress etc that must be taken as a priority. From what I was told, all the phone numbers are being taken down and there are people there in charge of sourcing out foster homes that will call back when they can. You need to be patient - their hands are full.

Also, you must really research the breed that you will foster. You must also look at the dynamics within your own household. This is not an easy task as there are dogs and cats that are tramatized and it is not at all like taking in an animal that is up for adoption in a shelter or rescue group.

These animals require DEDICATED people that are not there for the limelight (not saying you are) but there to spend the better part of the day to work with them. This is NOT an easy assignment. These dogs and cats really need people that know what they are doing and whom will NOT give up under any circumstances.

Though I think people have good intentions, this task is huge and requires people that have experience with certain breeds. Also, I have seen time and again, people take a dog in need and give up after 2 weeks because they nip or are not house trained etc.

My comments are not geered to you specifically Julie - but to anyone that is considering this - I want them to really understand the COMMITMENT that must be made....and it is a big one!"

Frenchy
September 30th, 2008, 12:48 PM
My comments are not geered to you specifically Julie - but to anyone that is considering this - I want them to really understand the COMMITMENT that must be made....and it is a big one!"

I second your post Benmax .... I've been there 3 times so far.

Also , this is long term fostering , it could take 1-2-3 years for a trial , until then , the dog stays a foster. It is not legally yours. :sad:

JulieH
September 30th, 2008, 12:52 PM
Thanks for the reply Ben !

I have been fostering for the Laval SPCA for 3 years until it closed last spring. Mostly cats/kittens but also the odd dog. I just recently brought back Louka to the MTL SPCA after fostering the little munch-mouth for 3 weeks. He had the beginnings of kennel cough but it never develloped. Man that boy liked to chew !

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12028158

I figured the lines must be swamped and if it weren't for me working nights all week, I would have stopped in to see if they needed help.

I see your point about the education that is involved with a puppy mill rescue. I'm not too worried about house-breaking. Most of my fosters weren't (except Louka !) but I do worry about nipping as I have a 9 yo daughter. My plan is to take the whole family down and see what they need help with and if anyone "fits" with our family. (that's usually what we do anyways).

I've never fostered a rescue though... Do you suggest I hold off until we know what we're up against ?

Thanks
Julie

Frenchy
September 30th, 2008, 12:54 PM
I've never fostered a rescue though... Do you suggest I hold off until we know what we're up against ?

Thanks
Julie

Julie , I think you should talk to the person in charge of the fostering program and see with her :fingerscr

BenMax
September 30th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Thanks for the reply Ben !

I have been fostering for the Laval SPCA for 3 years until it closed last spring. Mostly cats/kittens but also the odd dog. I just recently brought back Louka to the MTL SPCA after fostering the little munch-mouth for 3 weeks. He had the beginnings of kennel cough but it never develloped. Man that boy liked to chew !

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12028158

I figured the lines must be swamped and if it weren't for me working nights all week, I would have stopped in to see if they needed help.

I see your point about the education that is involved with a puppy mill rescue. I'm not too worried about house-breaking. Most of my fosters weren't (except Louka !) but I do worry about nipping as I have a 9 yo daughter. My plan is to take the whole family down and see what they need help with and if anyone "fits" with our family. (that's usually what we do anyways).

I've never fostered a rescue though... Do you suggest I hold off until we know what we're up against ?

Thanks
Julie

Thank you for your reply. Personally (like Frenchy) I have taken in puppymill dogs in the past. Their requirements are very different than a dog that has already had human contact or living in a home environment. This situation is very unique and different. You really need to know a little about animal behaviour and the breed that you are considering as well. Most (if not all) have been through a horrific ordeal. All they understood was neglect and abuse but never human contact that was of tenderness. The rehabilation process is lengthy and a huge amount of time and commitment is required. It is almost like your pets and family come second....which is not healthy in itself. I am single and for this reason I am at liberty to consider - which by the way I am not. My reason for so is that I work 8 hours a day and I cannot provide these animals with what they need. For me to say this, truly says alot as I personally have always taken one in. This is really a HUGE undertaking. Think about it seriously first.

JulieH
September 30th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Thanks Frenchie and BenMax

I have been thinking about what you said all day. I'm still waiting for a call back and will speak to the foster organizer about her opinions on the subject.

I guess my point of view is this: Sure it would be great for 100+ people to step up and foster. Ideally, they would have no other pets or family and worked either very little or from home and could devote 100% of their time to the re-education of the poor animals. Sadly, they are not likely to find that. Most people work, have familes, obligation, pets, hobbies, etc... Isn't it better for the animals to be fostered by people who can give them at least most of what they need rather than continue to live in a cage at the SPCA ? (albeit a much larger one than they are used to...)

Once these animals are healthy and are released back "in the real world" and have been adopted by for-ever homes, it is also likely that these people will work and have other obligations. They would then have to re-learn to live alone for some hours a day while their family is at work and school rather than being with them all the time.

I agree with you 100% about the mountain for these animals to climb. Just learning the basics will be huge. But I'd hate to think that you have to be the "perfect family" to be able to make a difference in the lives of these poor souls. Anything is a step up from where they came from, no ?

(having said that, I only work 2 out of 5 weeks and then only on nights, there actually is someone at home 90% of the time)

Frenchy
September 30th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Isn't it better for the animals to be fostered by people who can give them at least most of what they need rather than continue to live in a cage at the SPCA ? (albeit a much larger one than they are used to...)



IMO , yes , I was mostly thinking about you , will you have time for this ?

I should add also , again IMO , I got 2 goldens straight from a puppy mill , and one great dane (Nelly) but Nelly spent 2-3 weeks at the spca before getting here. And I found a big difference. They get "broken" at the spca , what I mean is , they get an overdose of handling by people. So they get used to it pretty quickly. When Nelly got to my place , she was ok with me. A bit scared , but not anxious. She even slept in my car on her way over.

As for the 2 goldens that went straight from the puppy mill to my home , OMG , that was hard :sad:

BMDLuver
October 1st, 2008, 02:51 PM
Hi Folks,
I am very swamped at the moment and have not been able to return foster or adoption offers.

I am the contact for these animals to be adopted or fostered. Please call 514-739-4444 and leave a message with details. I will start working on this on saturday.

What we need most at the moment are experienced dog people to come and help as of Friday with volunteering such as cleaning feeding medicating and limited socialisation. So if you can volunteer in the next few days starting Friday, please contact Anita at 514-739-4444.

Thank you so much for any assistance.
Jenn

BenMax
October 1st, 2008, 03:41 PM
Hi Folks,
I am very swamped at the moment and have not been able to return foster or adoption offers.

I am the contact for these animals to be adopted or fostered. Please call 514-739-4444 and leave a message with details. I will start working on this on saturday.

What we need most at the moment are experienced dog people to come and help as of Friday with volunteering such as cleaning feeding medicating and limited socialisation. So if you can volunteer in the next few days starting Friday, please contact Anita at 514-739-4444.

Thank you so much for any assistance.
Jenn

Thanks for the update - I think we can all appreciate that you have your hands full.

I must say that you and others have done an amazing job - hats off! I cannot believe how well organized you are. I for one am impressed and I applaude all those who stepped up to the plate. Thank dawg for you!

chico2
October 1st, 2008, 04:33 PM
BMDlover I agree with BenMax,you are amazing,as are all the people involved in yet another horror-story..:wall:

JulieH
October 2nd, 2008, 09:03 PM
Called the number to day and spoke to Elizabeth - myself, my boyfriend and a work collegue will be there on Saturday to help out around 10:30. you guys must have your hands more-than-full with 2 raids in the same week !

See you then !

Rottielover
October 2nd, 2008, 09:15 PM
I would love to help out, but my daughter would be overwhelmed. She has come with me to the SPCA before, and was very upset after, imagine this. I would be heart broken, imagine her.
If I can get a sitter, I will be there

the gang
October 2nd, 2008, 09:45 PM
jen, can i help!!!! brenda and the pins

BMDLuver
October 3rd, 2008, 12:43 AM
Hey Brenda,
We can always use an extra pair of hands. Lots of tiny little dogs that need love and attention. RL, absolutely no kids allowed. No one under 18 is admitted for everyone's safety. Hope you understand and happy to see anyone who wished to help.
Jenn

Rottielover
October 3rd, 2008, 06:45 AM
I agree in this situation no kids allowed, that is why I can not help out this time unless I can find a sitter

Karensdogs
October 3rd, 2008, 07:25 AM
My hubby and I went to the spca last night to see if these dogs were available for adoption yet. We were told that the dogs are in such poor shape, that they cannot even eat yet. If they eat, they vomit. Also, the volunteers at the spca have to change their clothes every time they go in to see those dogs as they are full of fleas, mites, viruses, etc.............it's unbelievable. Makes you really want to scream..................

Love4himies
October 3rd, 2008, 07:38 AM
My hubby and I went to the spca last night to see if these dogs were available for adoption yet. We were told that the dogs are in such poor shape, that they cannot even eat yet. If they eat, they vomit. Also, the volunteers at the spca have to change their clothes every time they go in to see those dogs as they are full of fleas, mites, viruses, etc.............it's unbelievable. Makes you really want to scream..................

Some humans just sicken me. Thank goodness for the :angel: who are there to help out.

chico2
October 3rd, 2008, 08:10 AM
You know,it is just such a horrible on-going situation,one that seems to never end,I don't know what to say anymore:yell:
IMO,the only deterrent in these horrors,would be to put these morons in jail,so they are unable to just relocate,at least for a couple of years.
IMO it should be jail for life,but that's a bit unrealistic:shrug:
Also,pet-shops should not be allowed to sell puppies/kittens,we all know where most of these pups are coming from.
It's not like people are not educated about this situation and where the cute pup in the store might be coming from,so I do not understand why people still buy puppy-mill puppies and thereby keeping these horrible people in business!

Rottielover
October 3rd, 2008, 07:51 PM
Help me please contact anita. A friend of mine and I are available from 4-11 pm.
I have a sitter, and I have been trying to reach her all day.
I need to know if you guys can use our help at that time

ashtoreth
October 3rd, 2008, 09:44 PM
me and my bf were thinking about getting a rescue, but only when Titus would be old enough :S

TulipRoxy
October 4th, 2008, 01:10 AM
I'll be there Sat from 4-8, see you all there!

Miranda
Tulip, Roxy :pawprint:
Sencha and Alaska

chico2
October 4th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Rottielover and all others,it's great you are helping out with these poor pups,hopefully they'll all be ok:pray:

Frenchy
October 4th, 2008, 09:58 AM
I know people are all waiting for the spca to get back to them. Please be patient , I think they are only 2 persons returning the calls and try to imagine just sorting all the messages they have on their answering machine :eek:.... and still have to help with the dogs in between.

Thanks everyone for helping. :thumbs up Just give them a few days (maybe more?) to get back to you. :goodvibes:

Rottielover
October 4th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Anita got back to me last night, then I had someone else call me this morning...What a great team.
My friend and I are on our way up with blankets, cloths, towels, newspaper. And of course staying to help out...

BMDLuver
October 4th, 2008, 11:42 PM
Thanks to all of you who came to help today. The united animal nations are pulling out tomorrow and we'll need volunteers to fill the holes they leave. They are some of the best people we have ever met. If you have time to help during the week, please call Anita at 514-739-4444 and leave a message. There is something for everyone to do.
Jenn

Rainy
October 4th, 2008, 11:46 PM
I have free time in the evenings........How late do you accept help untill,on average?

rainbow
October 5th, 2008, 02:35 AM
I just had to say that you guys are all amazing. :thumbs up :angel: :grouphug:

CClover
October 16th, 2008, 01:41 AM
Hi! I'm a new member and glad I found your forum.I'm french speaking so bare with me... CC in my name means Chinese Crested.

I recently got involved in helping those poor babies from those busts.I was touch to say the least by all the volonteers that were there.So much caring!
I went last saturday morning and still in shock.So many good dogs, small and big...Too bad I can only help during the weekends.

Jenn...Anita... Good job:thumbs up

BenMax
October 16th, 2008, 10:09 AM
CClover - you are there and doing what you can and I am certain that it is appreciated. I know that they really need help and you have stepped up to the plate - good for you!

No matter how much time you can offer - it goes further than you think.

marko
October 16th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Thanks CClover and others for all the help on this one.

I walked some of those dogs yesterday....It's always a mixed bag of emotions when I do. ANGER at humans is usually emotion #2. Sadness/compassion for the dogs is always #1.

I can say that many of the dogs that will be ready for adoption are amazing and I can already see that some have adapted somewhat to the shelter. Although the shelter sucks for dogs (all shelters do) it's 1,000 times better than the mill they came from.

It always amazes me just how willing some dogs are to trust new humans when the humans they have encountered in the past are pieces of garbage with no souls....sigh.

It warms my heart to no end to see the dedication to animal welfare on our board. :grouphug: :goodvibes:

Sincerely,
Marko

CClover
November 9th, 2008, 07:15 AM
News about this case!
I'm furious!:mad:
Please pray for this jerk not to come to my neighbourhood cause right now I'm spitting nails!
3200$ for 100 dogs...32$ each, 32 months to pay! Sounds like a cheap add for furniture!:wall:

French
http://lcn.canoe.ca/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2008/10/20081030-134331.html

English:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=19f57ecd-e85d-43c8-933f-1dd24d0c3f02

chico2
November 9th, 2008, 07:46 AM
Once again,we see the injustice,regarding animal-cruelty,just simply sickening:yell:
At least these these dogs were rescued,how many more are out there:cry:

Rottielover
November 9th, 2008, 08:53 AM
One of the dogs he got back was my sweet sprite, an older rottweiler.
Even now as I type I am shedding tears for her. It has destroyed me to hear what she has to go go back to.
If I did not have roxy, she would have been in my home.
I am really torn, I really am

Love4himies
November 9th, 2008, 09:00 AM
Drop in the bucket, how is that a deterrent to stop abuse and neglect of animals. :wall: :sad: :mad:

TulipRoxy
November 9th, 2008, 09:09 AM
One of the dogs he got back was my sweet sprite, an older rottweiler.
Even now as I type I am shedding tears for her. It has destroyed me to hear what she has to go go back to.
If I did not have roxy, she would have been in my home.
I am really torn, I really am

Sprite went back? Aww... I have tears in my eyes. That's so sad. She was such a sweet dog. I remember you talking about wanting to take her, but not being able to because of your other two dogs. Do you know what other dogs went back?

Love4himies
November 9th, 2008, 09:11 AM
One of the dogs he got back was my sweet sprite, an older rottweiler.
Even now as I type I am shedding tears for her. It has destroyed me to hear what she has to go go back to.
If I did not have roxy, she would have been in my home.
I am really torn, I really am

OMG, they returned some dogs back to the scumbag.

CClover
November 9th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Welll 1 1/2 year ago he has an appartment in Villeray and he sold me Bambi!
So I guess they let him keep the small dogs (chinese crested).He also have 2 young kids.

Rottielover
November 9th, 2008, 12:39 PM
1 german shepherd went back, as well as sprite, and another dog. I do not know which one.
I heard he is in Montreal now. My what I am looking into doing is finding her a home close to me, and see if I can contact him about getting her.
I know it will not be without a price, but she is so worth it. We really bonded. I used to just sit down outside with her, and she would climb on top of me, ever so gently, and roll on her back and allow me to pet her so skinny belly.
I have tears writing this, I really do. It is really eating at me.

MommaKat
November 9th, 2008, 12:57 PM
That is insane :wall:. Can Animal control or SPCA inspect his property to make sure he's treating these 3 dogs well? This is super sad. They say he's not a puppy mill because he wasn't selling them for profit, yet there were times he did sell dogs to folks?Why did he have this many dogs if not to sell? is he a animal hoarder? I'm confused on why the court is allowing this :yell: :shrug:

Rottielover
November 9th, 2008, 01:03 PM
I believe one of the conditions is that the Spca can make surprise visits.
I have a pic of sprite and myself on my desk top at work, I will send it here, and you can see why there was no way in hell I happy about her going back. She deserves so much more for her retirement years :(

MommaKat
November 9th, 2008, 01:14 PM
I believe one of the conditions is that the Spca can make surprise visits.
I have a pic of sprite and myself on my desk top at work, I will send it here, and you can see why there was no way in hell I happy about her going back. She deserves so much more for her retirement years :(


Aw I'm really sorry, that's so heartbreaking :grouphug:

Rottielover
November 9th, 2008, 01:33 PM
I do not feel sorry for me, as I am loved by my family and amazing pets. I feel sorry for that poor angelic soul that has only know love for a couple weeks, only to go back to a place filled with so much hate and dread.
Sprite, please remember all the times we sat and held, please go remembering you were and still are loved. You will always be in my heart, and in my mind.
I love you sprite. My little :angel: girl. You are a fighter, you are strong.

chico2
November 9th, 2008, 04:38 PM
Awww Rottielover,you have me in tears,that this awful man got to keep even one dog is unbelievable,OMG I am just horrified:evil:
I hope an angel is watching over Sprite and the other two pups:pray:

TulipRoxy
November 9th, 2008, 06:52 PM
1 german shepherd went back, as well as sprite, and another dog. I do not know which one.
I heard he is in Montreal now. My what I am looking into doing is finding her a home close to me, and see if I can contact him about getting her.
I know it will not be without a price, but she is so worth it. We really bonded. I used to just sit down outside with her, and she would climb on top of me, ever so gently, and roll on her back and allow me to pet her so skinny belly.
I have tears writing this, I really do. It is really eating at me.

Aww.. What a sweetie. I hope you get her back! Keep us posted, ok? Good Luck

Love4himies
November 9th, 2008, 06:54 PM
I do not feel sorry for me, as I am loved by my family and amazing pets. I feel sorry for that poor angelic soul that has only know love for a couple weeks, only to go back to a place filled with so much hate and dread.
Sprite, please remember all the times we sat and held, please go remembering you were and still are loved. You will always be in my heart, and in my mind.
I love you sprite. My little :angel: girl. You are a fighter, you are strong.

:cry: Poor Sprite.:sad:

Rottielover
November 9th, 2008, 07:59 PM
I know in common sense I could never take her, as I have 2 rottweilers already. I am looking for someone close to me to be able to adopt her in her senior years.
I have all the info I need, now to try and find that special place that can care for her, and love her as much as I do.

Karin
November 10th, 2008, 12:17 AM
This is all new "news" to me, it is sometimes hard to keep up to date.
I cannot believe what I'm reading. So far I've read the 1st page and I jumped into the last. (I'll pick-up the middle part tomorrow)
From what I read so far...it makes me very sick.
We deal with puppy mills here too. The last vet I worked for, who also destroyed my Ciara's life, supported them...she gave a 'special price for vax's, health certifications, deworm..basic litter exams required by law) and she gave a huge discount for c-section surgery's! Which we did about 10 per week. The "taco bell chihuahua was a frenzy then."
I do need to read more when I get time but these breeders also get support from someone in the medical profession and they need to be held accountable too.

CClover
November 10th, 2008, 03:07 AM
Yep Yep Yep Vets! Just like breeders,some are doing a great job and some are there for the money!:frustrated:

flipgirl4
November 12th, 2008, 12:11 AM
This guy is sick, yes, but what is even sicker is that people watch these stories on the news and STILL buy puppies from pet stores and BYBs! I'm sure he'll get off scot free because there will be some loophole...our laws are like Swiss cheese. He should be put in a cage and forced to breed doggy style...

chico2
November 12th, 2008, 07:40 AM
The problem is,some people don't know,I know I did not,before joining this Forum where the cute puppies/kittens in the pet-store come from.
It's often an impulse buy,where the dog eventually ends up in a shelter.
Many people don't read the paper or follow the news,they might only learn when this cute puppy/kitten ends up being a very sick animal.
Until the punishment fits the crime,the millers are thrown in jail,this horror will continue:evil: