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crate issues - heat problems - Help!! Is Anyone on line right now?!?!?!

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 12:45 AM
Is anyone on line right now?????

Lucky Rescue
July 18th, 2004, 12:53 AM
What's wrong?

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 12:54 AM
yes i am :D hi
whats your problemo

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 12:57 AM
Oh Thank you!!
I took the advice of carrying the crate inside with Lindy in it. She is panting like crazy and very stressed!! It is 30 degrees in here. Did I screw up? This poor dog!!

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Does she not like being in the crate? Does she not like being in the house?

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:00 AM
I got her on Wednesday. She has been in the house maybe 4 times. She has slept outside in her crate the last three nights. Everyone slagged(okay overexaggeration, everyone has been great) for keeping her outside.

Lucky Rescue
July 18th, 2004, 01:01 AM
That is very hot. Did you have her out walking? Do you have a fan you can set up for her?

Keep her quiet, set up a fan if you can, and make sure she has fresh water.

If she continues to pant heavily, seems agitated and stressed then the basement would be better for her until it cools off.

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:01 AM
LR, what should I do? I am making a mess of this poor dogs mind!!

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:02 AM
Should I carry the crate downstairs?

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:02 AM
You could also try putting the leash on her and having her sit on the floor next to you if you're at the sofa. Just until she calms down.

I think a fan would be a good idea also. Give her some ice cubes to chew on.

I wouldn't (personally) carry her in the house while she is in the crate. That is probably what freaked her out. She felt completely helpless and maybe she was dropped/thrown from a height...you don't know her history.

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:02 AM
She can't have water in the crate, she will tip it over.

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:04 AM
Why dont you woo him and praise him softly. That works for Jin SOMETIMES when he is crazy!

Lucky Rescue
July 18th, 2004, 01:04 AM
She must have water. Have you given her a drink? Give her small drinks - not too much at once.

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:04 AM
Ice cubes give her ice

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:04 AM
Doggies <3 ICE!!

Lucky Rescue
July 18th, 2004, 01:06 AM
wouldn't (personally) carry her in the house while she is in the crate

You carried the crate with her in it? Wow - you're strong. :p

Yes, doing that would most definitely stress her out!

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:07 AM
The replies have been coming so fast look at that LOL

pls scroll up a bit and make sure u read my other response.

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:07 AM
Is your baby calm now?? Im gettin nervous :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:09 AM
I'm sure she will reply when she can. Why are 'you' nervous :confused:

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:09 AM
She is out of the crate sitting beside me.

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:10 AM
I want to see what happens to her baby. If it works I need to try it out with my Jin. He gets crazy also/

Way to Go!!! Is she calm now with you?

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:12 AM
On the leash

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:13 AM
Great stuff Freyja :D

I'd nix the carrying the dog inside while she's in the crate.

Just bring her in while on a lead using treats as bait like we discussed. All in time :D

I can't believe u carried her in like that man you have muscles!

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:15 AM
Ur pretty strong if you can hold a dog in a crate! I salut you!
By the Way I got Jin on Wednesday too!! But my Jin is only 6 months old.

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:16 AM
Okay so, she came out of the crate, I put her on the leash, took her to the water, wouldn't drink. The water was just inside the back door, she wanted out, so we went out to the pee spot, did nothing, she willingly came back inside, no water, she came and sat down for two seconds and then started snifffing about again, all the while panting to beat the band. So outside again to the pee spot, no pee and now she won't come back in. Leashed at the back door with water right in front of her. There is no way I am going to get her back in her crate tonight is there?!?!?!?

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:18 AM
Looks like we have the same problem. Jin ( He is a Jindo a Korean dog) sniffs ALL THE TIME inside and he wants OUT. He sleeps out , he eats out, he does everything OUT SIDE and is comfortable with it. I dont know why but he seems pleased. Maybe your dog is pleased being outside also? Im a noobie when it comes to dogs but this is just a thought.

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:20 AM
To her she doesn't know what just happened, she is freaked out and feels safer in her 'known outdoors'

Go sit with her on the back porch or something, take a small treat with you and talk calmly to her.

Try not to force her to come to you, see if she comes naturally on her own. Pat her and talk to her calmly.

I would not put her back in that crate tonight, she's probably terrified of it right now. Feeding her in the crate will curb her fear of it but don't do that tonight...let her calm down. All of this is new to her as well and she doesn't understand it.

Has she had the opportunity to browse through the house and sniff it through an through yet?

How would you feel about letting her sleep in the house but not in the crate tonight?

Lucky Rescue
July 18th, 2004, 01:23 AM
For this particular dog, being lifted up while in the crate was quite traumatic and you need to let her calm down for now.

Is there a place you can put her for the night? You can start again with the crate tomorrow - coaxing her to go in with treats. And do not move the crate with her in it. Many animals get very frightened by this because to them, this a very unstable thing to happen while they feel so helpless.

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:24 AM
She can't be left in the house unsupervised. I was sitting outside with her this aft and the phone rang, I left for 5 minutes and when I came back my book was chewed to shreds. Also, she peed downstairs yesterday.
She has been in, sniffed a bit and then led me right out again.
She is content sitting at the back door right now, off leash.
She slept in the crate at the Humane Society. They kept her in an outdoor run most of the time and brought her into a building and a crate at night.

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:25 AM
I cant even get my Jindo in a crate or a dog house. How do you do it Freyja?

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:26 AM
Do you have any child/baby gates?

They work really well for containing ares like the kitchen ;) for a dog to spend time in. As long as things are pushed back or off the table and counter...maybe it would be a good solution?

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:27 AM
I know now. It was a piece of advice from the other thread. Dumb, dumb of me!! She was doing sooooo well. I just didn't want her to sleep outside again tonight.
She doesn't want to come in again and she doesn't want to go in the crate.

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Urgh, unfortunately no baby gates.

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:29 AM
Dont lose hope!! I know she will overcome her fears and go in soon!

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:30 AM
What about teathering her in the back yard and putting the crate outside with the door open, a treat inside it?

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:31 AM
She has slept out there the last three nights? Last night she whined for about two minutes and then settled right down

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:31 AM
Did you try luring her inside with treats, food , toys?

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:31 AM
Well those baby gates can be really great tools...see if you can get some used ones from all those babies families you delivered haha!

So do you feel tonight is right off as far as getting her inside? Or do you think she may come with you if you 'hide' that crate so she doesn't see it, and you just sit with her outside for a bit. OR even position your chair so its just INSIDE the doorway, brace the door open and sit there talk to her and see if she comes to you.

Slowly move your chair backwards and give her a treat and lots of love if she comes over to you :D

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:34 AM
and then try the crate again?

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:35 AM
I say no for the crate tonight unless she goes to it on her own. BUT she may be afriad if she goes in it right now u'll try to pick it up again...so I wouldn't force her into that crate tonight no.

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:35 AM
Can she sleep in ur bedroom tonight or in the living room in the couch?

Lucky Rescue
July 18th, 2004, 01:36 AM
This is just a minor setback from an honest mistake(and bad advice) - it happens, but this dog is taking it much worse than a "normal" dog would. She will get over it.

You must take a deep breath and calm down! :D If you are agitated and nervous, she will react to that.

If you think it's safe to leave her outside tonight, you may as well do so, and start fresh tomorrow. I'm sure she's spent nights in much worse places.

jindo4life
July 18th, 2004, 01:39 AM
Going to get.gnite freyja, LR, Luba good luck with your baby.. Gotta wake up fresh tommorw and found out about doggie schools

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:40 AM
Okay, I took some Rescue Remedy.
I will start fresh tomorrow.
I went outside with her and she seems okay. Very tired. I will put the crate outside (sans dog ;) she says very sheepishly), teather her so she can go in the crate if she so chooses as this is where she has slept before, apologize and ask for her forgiveness.
Good night all, for those of you in Ontario it must be very late!!
Thank you for the help, I will look back on all of this and laugh one day right? right?
Jane

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:42 AM
Jane you are doing great, most people wouldn't think to ask for help and would have just dumped her back at the shelter. You should be very happy with what you're doing, you are doing a remarkable job and we're all here to support you!

I bet you're already laughing, after this comment, I was
Okay, I took some Rescue Remedy

Ooopse sorry edited to add: g'ni jindo ;)

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:49 AM
I just had to say this...

I figured out why you could carry Lindy in the house Jane....
Those biceps are built up real good from yanking all those babies out :eek:

Freyja
July 18th, 2004, 01:53 AM
I don't yank no babies, but I do help a lot of unsteady new moms out of the birth tub and into bed!! Lindy only weighs about 50 lbs, the crate is quite light. Thanks for the encouragement!! I would have a gin and tonic if I wasn't on call. All I need now is to fall asleep and have this lady page me and tell me she wants me to come!! I hope I get some sleep, it has been one heck of a day!!!!
Jane

Luba
July 18th, 2004, 01:56 AM
It sure has, you go get some rest and know that she'll be okay....

Baby yanking..people are gonna call childrens aid on us LMFHO!

Spoiled
July 18th, 2004, 11:21 AM
I wouldn't (personally) carry her in the house while she is in the crate. That is probably what freaked her out.

I meant only do that if something really really scary for her came up, such as a thunderstorm, tornado, that kind of thing. The panting means that she is under stress, or she is hot and trying to cool off. Ice cubes are a good idea, and you can also give her a frozen Kong. :)

Lucky Rescue
July 18th, 2004, 11:22 AM
the Rescue Remedy is for the dog!! LMAO!! But did it work for you?? Maybe I should get some.....:p

Freyja, I do know how you feel. The foster I had was terrified of everything - parked cars, rocking chairs, garbage bags - I never knew what would set her off. I would be walking her, then suddenly she would be thrashing at the end of the leash like a hooked fish - in a total panic and doing anything to get away. She would also go into a fit of unbelievable aggression if anyone approached her.

I had never dealt with this and was shocked and at a loss what to do with her! Luckily I had someone to give me good advice and was able to get her over this, but it took quite awhile. Your dog is not nearly this bad.

Yes, one day you will look back at this and be amazed at how far your dog has come.:)

glasslass
July 18th, 2004, 11:40 AM
I know this is the next morning. This is just a suggestion for when it is hot. A mist bottle is good for dampening a dog's fur to help him cool down. Don't just aim it at him, but massage the fur and mist it in a way that is not frightening. A fan blowing on the damp fur is very cooling. Sometimes, if Den-Den won't drink, I put my fingers into the water and he'll lick it off. Then he'll decide he wants some after all. You can also wet a washcloth and squeeze a little water into his mouth.