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Seeking advice for pregnant cat

chaelleigh
September 4th, 2008, 01:57 AM
Hi, So I'm not a newbie with animals by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm hoping someone here can give me pointers on a situation I've never been in before. Let me say first that I am a FIRM believer in spaying/neutering but only AFTER they have the opportunity to experience parenting once, so please no lectures on the issue.....thank you:)

Ok, having said that, we bought a new house and decided to move in Sept. 14th, less than a week after finalizing everything we find out my sweet little Inka is due to have her 1st (and only) litter of babies right at that time. Her due date is sketchy (I don't recall her getting outside, ever, but I do have 2 children so anything is possible). So best I can tell by her signs and such she is due on/about the 15th. So my question is, assuming she doesn't have the babies before we are set to move, how do I let her know our new home is safe enough for her to have her babies there?I'm really hoping she has them here, the new house is HUGE and there are SO many places for her to have them without me knowing, or worse, for her or them to be harmed in the process. I know most cats have excellent maternal instincts,but I'm just not sure if she is one of them. She has already been very reckless during her pregnancy (jumping across counter tops and missing, falling right on her belly) and we have a 2 year old male pug that loves to chase her around, so she's uneasy as it is. The house we are in now is small enough that i have a room on the main floor gaited for her from the dog, and the entire upper level and basement as well. the new house has way too many doorways and such to really make her feel secluded and safe from the dog.
I know this is awfully long for a post, but I'm very worried about her and could use friendly advice on how to best help her through this unsettling time for her. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you all

clm
September 4th, 2008, 07:25 AM
Sorry you are going to get a lecture. With all of the cats in shelters and all the strays around, why on earth you are allowing your cat to have a litter of kittens when you are not a breeder is totally irresponsible.:wall:
I'm feeding more strays now than ever before and a new kitten from a person such as yourself who's cat had kittens and the two remaining couldn't be sold off or given away so they're now homeless drifters looking for a home.

As for your cat. Having areas that the dog cannot get to is how I make my cats feel safe and secure. As she gets closer to her due date I would seclude her even further to an area of the house where you want her to give birth.

Cindy

Melinda
September 4th, 2008, 07:42 AM
if you aren't a "newbie" with pets then why is your cat having a litter when thousands are put to death in shelters every month?? will the kittens be spayed/neutured before they leave your home or are you keeping all of them so you'll know they aren't being left somewhere to die???

that being said.....a quiet place away from the dog is what that poor cat needs, if possible on another floor......I feel so sorry for the poor thing, hopefully you'll do right by the kittens and good luck

lotus
September 4th, 2008, 08:03 AM
All I have to say is I agree with the previous posts.

Love4himies
September 4th, 2008, 08:04 AM
Cats don't need or want to experience motherhood, it is an exhausting, life threatening experience for them. I have to bite my tongue on your decisions to allow this to happen when you are moving and have an untrained dog.

Before you allow any other cat to "experience motherhood" how about taking a tour of your local shelter and tell those kitties why you brought more into the world when there are so many unwanted ones.

Too late for your kitty now so I will give you this advice:

Keep your queen in a seperate room and DO NOT allow your pug any access during or after the birth of the kittens, a mother cat will go to the ends of the world to protect her kittens and she will attack if she feels the pug is a threat. Get a large box with a cover that you can lift off (large towel should do) and old towels as bedding. Make an opening just large enough for momma to get into and out of so she will feel secure from large predators.

Feed her only top quality CANNED food and/or raw diet, that will help her milk development.

And the most important thing: have your vet's number on speed dial.

14+kitties
September 4th, 2008, 08:12 AM
I am afraid there is really no clear way you are going to keep your poor kitty free from stress. First of all - she is experiencing a pregnancy. It is hard enough to go through that in a normal, serene environment. She still has to worry about finding a spot to have her babies in peace. Then you have the upheaval of moving/packing. That is definately stress she doesn't need at this time. And you have a pug who is chasing her around. Yeah, she sure doesn't need that stress!

My best advice for you is to find her a secure place where the dog can't get to her. Or the kids for that matter. Keep her in it once and even before you move to get her used to it or she WILL find a way to get out.
I use a large dog crate to keep kitty safe. It is large enough for her, kittens, a litter box, and food. And then, with the falls she has experienced during this pregnancy, please pray, pray really really hard, that she and or kittens aren't dead at the end of it.

Just as an offside, because I have been trying really, really hard not to lecture...... I have/house/feed between 30 to 35 cats because someone wanted to let their cat "experince" parenthood just once. After they couldn't find homes for those kitties/mom they got dumped in the country. It is a lifetime commitment for me. The next 20 years or so of my life are planned.

Those 2 to 8 kittens your loved kitty will likely have, hopefully healthy, just got the same number killed in a shelter. If you can't adopt them are they going to a shelter to hopefully get adopted out or more likely euthanized because no one wants another cat? Or are you keeping them and letting them experience parenthood "just once"? Are you sure once they are adopted out that they will get fixed or are the people who adopt them going to let them experience parenthood just once? I cross my fingers that these kittens, if born alive, are lucky enough to go to a home where they will be looked after properly and not dumped when they get past the cute stage.

As L4H said - keep your vet's number on speed dial. This kitty could "experience" a lot during this forced pregnancy.

sugarcatmom
September 4th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Please stop letting your pug chase the cat! This is setting a bad precedent for when the kittens are born. There are ways to train your dog not to chase: http://www.labadoption.org/linkpages/DogBehave/Articles/Cats.pdf

Why do you think pets need to experience parenthood? It's anthropomorphic and irresponsible. What is your take on the millions of companion animals experiencing premature death? link (http://spayeducation.org/overpopulation2.php).

kathryn
September 4th, 2008, 09:27 AM
If I were the cat I'd be pissed off at you for a. not getting me spayed b. moving me when I'm almost due!! (cats due dates can change!!! my cat had her babies 5 days before her due date!!!) and c. letting the damn dog chase me!!!

What sense does it make to let them have a litter? Cat's really don't care!! I rescued a pregnant cat and guess, what, SHE HATES HER CHILDREN!! Any chance she gets she slaps her son across the face or bites her daughter on the butt. If they go near her on purpose or by mistake, she will hiss at them and growl. Occasionally they can snuggle up in bed together, but one false move and mommy turns into a :censored: and will beat the crap out of her kids.

If your cat could talk she would be pretty mad right now.

How can you be pro spay/neuter and still think it's okay to make more offspring to die? Or take homes away from kittens already waiting for homes? Do you even have plans for her babies? Are you going to keep them all? Or are you just going to dump them off on some shelter? Are you going to have her offspring fixed? Or are they all going out to go reproduce and make some more litters so more kittens can die?

You sound like the people who's messages I pick up at the shelter... "Oh hi my name is so and so and I need my cat spayed... oh and I have some kittens for you too!" You don't want to know what we say about people like that behind their backs.

http://www.shelterrescue.org/id20.html

http://www.shelterrescue.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/C-29ow7708.JPG.w180h185.jpg
EUTHANIZED.

http://www.shelterrescue.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/C-9torti7260.JPG.w180h240.jpg
EUTHANIZED.

http://www.shelterrescue.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/C-21bw7049.JPG.w180h240.jpg
EUTHANIZED.

http://www.shelterrescue.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/C-11ot7093pic1.JPG.w180h215.jpg
EUTHANIZED.



But let's add some MORE litters of kittens to this!


Point is, your poor cat under enough stress. I'd be surprised if any of the kittens made it at this point, or if they did they are probably going to be retarded.

Kitten birthing doesn't always go as planned either. My cat was a stray cat and before I adopted her and took her in, I was told by neighbors she had already had a litter before. What happened to them? Who the hell knows. My cat was about 8 months old when I brought her in (preggo) and had them 5 days before Christmas. She was completely confused on what she was doing and had me help her. She delivered the first 2 okay, but when the third one came she was stuck in her sac thingy and wasn't breathing or moving. Socks looked at me like "what do I do??". I didn't know what to do either, but my mom took the kitten and wiped it off and got the junk out of it's mouth and nose. Luckily the kitten made it. Then a few days later Socks ran out of milk for almost a day. It was basically Christmas eve and I honestly thought the kittens were going to die.


Seriously. Spay your animals. It's not fun and games and people like you are the reason millions are dying in shelters each year.

Love4himies
September 4th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Thank you for the reality of kitten birth, kathryn, rarely does all go well with the babies and momma.

Once again, have your vet on speed dial and some funds stashed away for emergency vet bills. Kittens can't wait until morning to see a vet when they fall ill.

Purpledomino
September 4th, 2008, 10:10 AM
I'm sure it really stinks for you to get responses like you are getting, but when you post on a very pro-spay and neuter board about the problems you are having due to irresponsible breeding....that is what you are going to receive.

It is a FACT that you are contributing to the overpopulation of cats, a huge surplus which cannot be homed due to the numbers alone. YOUR belief that a cat needs to experience parenthood once, is illogical, (IMO) irresponsible, and not in the best interest of your cat or the millions of cats facing their untimely end in shelters.

The responses you are going to get are not going to be the ones you want, because most members here are enlightened, responsible pet owners. Many volunteer at rescues or foster soley because people have attitudes regarding their pets such as yours. They see first hand how animals suffer and are euthanized on a daily basis because of irresponsible breeding. How can you really blame them? :sad:

JennieV
September 4th, 2008, 10:16 AM
:frustrated: Sorry, you won't get much sympathy here...Your cat will, but not you.
As a pet owner you have the responsibility to make things right for your pets. You seem to think the pets "have to experience the parenthood". Thats a load of ****. :wall:
They do not, they don't know what it is, they do not have the same sentiments about their "parenthood" as you do. They will NOT miss it by far. They will not feel "left out" or "invalid" in any way if you spay or neuter them. All you achieved in this situation is add to the much-overpopulation of homeless and loveless animals. Good for you. I hope for the sake of your cat that she makes it ok through this ordeal. I hope for the sake of the future generation of kittens that are on the way that they will find homes with people who understand things and will not put them through this. :yell: :frustrated: Needless to say, I agree with all the responses posted.

bendyfoot
September 4th, 2008, 10:24 AM
I think people have been pretty gentle to the OP so far. I'm sure there are a lot of people not posting because...you know...if you can't say anything nice...:wall::yell::sad::yuck::confused::mad:

14+kitties
September 4th, 2008, 10:35 AM
Great post Kathryn. That is first hand knowledge on what can happen. And this girl is only 16!

Please do me a favour chaelleigh. I understand how you can think experiencing parenthood just once is ok. I really do. However, if everyone thought that way our animal rates would skyrocket. There are countless millions of cats being killed every year because there are no homes for them.

What I would like you to do is to sit down with pen and paper/calculator. I want you to think one cat has 4 kittens. Of that 4 kittens lets say 2 are female. You go get your cat fixed. End of your problem. Lets say you adopt those kittens to people who feel like you do. So these 2 females each have a litter with 2 females in it, and they get adopted out to people who feel like you do, but the first family doesn't bother fixing their cats. In another few months (at 2 litters a year) they have another 2 females each............ it's a vicious, vicious cycle................ :sad:

aslan
September 4th, 2008, 10:38 AM
yup pretty much everything has been said. Only thing i would like to add is, instead of letting your kitty experience the pain and discomfort of a litter. Take the money YOU WILL be spending on vet costs, and buy several bags of cat food and give them to people like 14+ kitties, or Love4 who spend a fortune each month in catfood bills, and getting these cats spayed/neutered.

Puss'FavPerson
September 4th, 2008, 11:01 AM
I've heard a lot of people argue the belief that having one litter makes the cat more calm, better personality etc.

Hmmmm. :confused: What if we apply that to humans? Should every girl have one kid, just to improve her personality and settle her down? I'd have to say, I don't think the postpartum depression, lack of sleep, and stretch marks improved my personality one iota!

pet lovr 4 life
September 4th, 2008, 11:25 AM
just so you no what it is like for a cat to give birth watch her the intire time that she is in labor untill she is done...and at that watch how much work she does even after she is done giving birth...humans have it eazy...after we are done we have sombody els clean the baby up and we are pampered and tlked through the whole thing...she wont be able to undrstand anything your saying she will be in pain and she dosnt get to have just 1 there is normaly 3 or 4 and she gets no pain medication...
and please, please get the kittens fixed...it is not right concidering literaly how many thousands of cats and kittens that get put down with out ever really knowing what it is like to have a loving family...
:rip:to all the poor kittys out there
good luch with the :stork-baby:
i hope evrything goes well:fingerscr:goodvibes:

ancientgirl
September 4th, 2008, 11:27 AM
I agree and ditto everything said. Kathryn, that was a reality check post there.

My first two cats, I briefly thought about how nice it would be to allow my Oksana to have kittens, which I would have kept. But as many said, this is a difficult thing for a cat. Especially a cat living in not the best of circumstances, because of a dog constantly chasing her and a move.

Have you thought about what you would feel if your cat had complications and did not survive the birth of those kittens?

I'm happy I've had all of mine spayed/neutered. I would NEVER for the rest of my life had forgiven myself had I allowed Oksana to have kittens and she not survived.

There are so many cats and kittens in shelters, just left without a second thought, and you want to bring more into this world.

I hope for your cats sake, she has less than 2 or 3 kittens. At the very least, if you could not find homes for them then having 4 cats is not difficult. Many of us on this board have multiple cats or dogs or both. You might ask yourself why that is though, that we have so many.

14+kitties
September 4th, 2008, 11:35 AM
I've heard a lot of people argue the belief that having one litter makes the cat more calm, better personality etc.

Hmmmm. :confused: What if we apply that to humans? Should every girl have one kid, just to improve her personality and settle her down? I'd have to say, I don't think the postpartum depression, lack of sleep, and stretch marks improved my personality one iota!

Funny Puss'FavPerson, I was gonna mention that too but figured I had spouted off enough. We all know SOME females who just are NOT mother material!!
As for calming down a momma cat....... first hand knowledge.....makes momma more on edge because she now has to protect those little ones; exhausted because she is getting very little rest because she has 2 - ? number of kittens pulling on her teats ALL the time (if she is lucky enough to have any survive); stressed because she is tied to those little ones she was lucky enough to experience the birth of; stressed because she also feels she needs to provide food (once nursing stops) to her babies; stressed because she has to slap her babies to stop them from nursing ..... the list goes on.

I have a momma cat in the garage at this moment who I have been trying to catch for 2 years. She is responsible for 10 kittens in the last 14 months. If I hadn't finally had success trapping her there would have been another litter this year. She has 2 of her kittens with her in another cage. Every time I go near those kittens momma is yowling. Now how fair is that? She will get fixed as soon as her milk dries up. It's so so sad she has had to "experience" parenthood so often. :sad:


http://www.worcestercats.org.uk/info/cat_care.htm

The above is a wake up call in case you still need more.

kathryn
September 4th, 2008, 12:27 PM
I forgot to ask if you know who the father is. Has the tom been checked for diseases?

I recently lost a whole litter of kittens to Feline Leukemia Virus. That and FIV can be transmitted threw mating. If your cat mated with some random neighborhood cat that you don't even know, don't be surprised when she drops dead from FeLV or some other horrible disease. I was lucky enough my cats are all clear from FeLV and FIV but it may be going around outback now which means having to euthanize any of my ferals or strays that test positive.

http://www.pets.ca/articles/article-cat-fiv.htm

http://pets.ca/encyclopedia/felv.htm


If you have other cats it would be a good idea to keep your cat and the kittens away from them until you can test for FIV and FeLV. If your cat tests positive the kittens will either die horrible deaths or be euthanized. My kittens I had were euthanized after they started getting sick to prevent the long and terrible deaths that awaited them. FeLV is also highly contagious by spit and snot. FIV is not as terrible but once the FIV starts to come out and attack the body it is deadly just like people HIV.

chaelleigh
September 4th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Clearly reading is not the strong suite of this forums members. Jumping to conclusions, holding your self-righteous beliefs up high, and casting judgment however does seem to be. But let’s just see if you can kick-start your last few brain cells and make it through this long post….

Never did I say I was going to force-breed my mutt cat to near death with all the neighborhood disease ridden Tom-Cats and cast her half retarded/dying babies along the countryside. Nor did I say I keep my “poor pregnant cat” locked in a room with a blood thirsty pug-monster and two demented children. I was simply trying to seek some friendly advice about my cats move from a group of people, who I now know are to full of themselves to be able to do anything but play moral kings and queens of the animal world.

There is too much for me to reply to, and to no end, but here goes…. Not one of these replies has said anything intelligent, or helped me with my question, rather just spouted off a bunch of ASPCA and PETA propaganda. While I agree there is a pet population issue, I have my own brain and can make up my own mind. I don’t need fund seeking organizations to fill my head with half truths to regurgitate to everyone with ears.

I love the portrayal that “Fixing” (which is actually breaking, but that is another argument) a cat is a quick painless procedure. Almost like a little kitty vacation day at the spa. Just 10 minutes of scholarly research from a credited scientific organization would show you ignorant d**che-bags that spaying/neutering also has quite the amount of risks….

Sterilization, especially spaying, is an invasive surgical procedure where general anesthesia (which has many risks itself) is used along with surgical incisions to remove internal organs after which side effects like; weight gain, incontinent, and hypothyroidism (to name a few) could plague the animal for the rest of her life.

These replies are full of circular reasoning. “It’s near impossible for a cat to have a healthy litter of kittens” but “the world is overpopulated with cats??” You vilify me because I don’t want to rip out my cats internal organs and tell me I am not a “responsible” breeder. But, if I was a “responsible” breeder it would be totally acceptable for me to breed harmful genetic defects into a bloodline in order to have the famous Scottish Fold or Hairless cats?? And before you spout off about how against designer pets you all are let me just tell you; In fact any domesticated cat or dog in general is a designer breed. A Pug, or Persian didn’t just fall out of the uterus of a donkey. So all your nonsensical-reasoning about that can be put to rest right there. I also see you all saying that shelters are full of unwanted kittens, but the first thing that comes out of your bile filled mouth is “your irresponsible take your kittens to a shelter??” Also a few of you have compared cat pregnancy to human pregnancy, how bout we compare spaying to a hysterectomy. Any women out there who have gone through that procedure that would describe it as quick and painless with no life long side effects?? Get off your high horse and pay attention, your arguments are seriously flawed and lack critical thought!!

Furthermore over 17 posts full of add-hock reasoning of you hippies still haven’t helped me with my question. If I didn’t love my pet and want the best for her I wouldn’t have stayed up until twilight researching how to make the transition of my pregnant cat easier. But now that I have been “enlightened” by this kind group I see it’s my moral responsibility to drowned my pregnant cat in the bath-tub later tonight and rid the world of 4 less kittens. And God willing, maybe everyone will follow suite, wake up, and spay/neuter their cats into extinction….

That being said, I would love to see this kind of care and devotion go into human rights. If any one of you hypocrites put this much avocation into anti-aids research or donated to poverty stricken nations the world might truly be a better place. It’s a good thing that you are all Canadians and your opinions really don’t matter anyway!!

Since your all so link happy here you go:
http://anonymousradioshow.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/penn-teller-some-peta-bull****/

aslan
September 4th, 2008, 03:54 PM
well i hope you feel better for getting that off your chest....When you registered to be a member on this site, did you bother to read the rules. This is a pro spay/neuter site. Meaning, we do not condone the unneeded breeding of animals. I'm sorry you aren't getting the responses you wish. At which point i would like to request that maybe you go to a site that WILL support your beliefs.

phoozles
September 4th, 2008, 04:04 PM
:laughing:
Someone who is purportedly "pro spay and neuter" AFTER they get to experience a birth sure went to a long extent to mention how dangerous spaying and neutering is. Just what DO you believe?
The majority of us here believe that the thousands of cats being euthanised each day across North America is enough reason to do something about it. If that makes us hippies, then pass the peace pipe. I think it just makes common sense. Even if you didn't care about the animals at all, think of the money the government would save if they could close down all the animal control services - they could put it towards all those human rights you spoke of. *shrug*

chaelleigh
September 4th, 2008, 04:04 PM
Just because my “beliefs” don’t conform with yours doesn’t make me wrong, that’s called an Ad hominem and it’s yet another one of many logical fallacies you people are stuck on. All I wanted to know is how to make my cat transition from one happy home to another easier. Not start a debate on ethics/morals/and spaying, but now that we did let’s see if you can hold your own, for those keeping score it’s now 21 on 1 and still no helpful advice?? And remember fallacies and opinions are not equal to fact and science….

Also please remember I am not a jerk, and I still welcome any helpful advice for anyone willing to answer the actual question at hand….

aslan
September 4th, 2008, 04:10 PM
ok first off i didn't say you were wrong or a jerk..I am not and will not argue with you.

Best i can suggest to you is, block off a doorway or two with a babygate so the cat has a safe place to go. She will start looking for a place shortly before she is about to deliver. Once she finds her hidy place block it off so the pup and kids can't go to her, she will want to be alone. When she starts to deliver keep an eye on her incase she needs help. Basically best you can do is give her peace and quiet. I hope this answers your needs, if not feel free to ask what you need in detail.

kathryn
September 4th, 2008, 04:12 PM
Hey guess what, I gave you help+advice. You're too stuck up to listen though.

I work in a shelter, I work in a spay/neuter clinic, I rescue stray cats and kittens and I spay/neuter feral cats.

WE are part of the solution, YOU are part of the problem.

chaelleigh
September 4th, 2008, 04:29 PM
And from now on I am going to point out your logical fallacies….

*Kathryn*
I am not part of the problem, you assume I am. I have full intentions of keeping and caring for all our kittens FOREVER on our 5 acres of land. So they will not be feral cats, so get off that. Second if you “helped” me by posting scare tactics of euthanized cats from your shelter, thanks I’ll pass.

So we got “Ad ignorantiam” and “Argument from authority” both major red flags of logical fallacies….

OMG it is getting to hard to keep up with all this nonsense….

aslan
September 4th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Ok this is getting stupid, everyone stop responding to this...

chaelleigh i have politely answered the question that you have asked. If you have another question feel free to ask it. But can we end the bashing that is going on.

want4rain
September 4th, 2008, 04:35 PM
And remember fallacies and opinions are not equal to fact and science….

no one here is calling you a horrible person for your 'beliefs'. they are simply stating facts. the fact is, most of the members here are deeply involved with rescue, work with the SPCA or other similar orgs. the simple FACT is there are too many. there are too many for North America (thats USA and CA combined right?) to support. so we euthanize. thats kill, hundreds of thousands of cats a year. how can you, in good conscience, breed your cat??

if only for the feral colonies, there is no way cats will be 'broken' into extinction.

and (no offense to hippies) most of us here are just regular non-stereotypical people who feel no love for PETA.

bottom line is, almost to a member, there isnt a soul here who could justify breeding their cat (or dog for that matter) because we know someone who has to do the dirty job of putting these poor things to sleep because there isnt a home to take them. or has had to abort a litter of kittens because its the right thing to do... who will foster them?

we arent monsters here. we dont hate you. we just feel really bad for what youre doing, the situation you are creating for the poor cats who will be euthanized because yours had kittens... or heck, your kittens who never find a home, get surrendered and thus euthanized.

i found your experience in the crazy neighbor thread to be quite helpful. :)

other wise, if you want assistance on your cat, please go somewhere else for it, look for a mentor in your area to help you breed your cat or a vet who will abort the young.

if you want to look into feline genetics, here is a great site. a good example of why it should be left up to the pros.

http://www.hdw-inc.com/genetics.htm
http://www.netpets.org/cats/reference/genetics/catgenetics.html

-ashley

chaelleigh
September 4th, 2008, 04:36 PM
No you didn't help me, I asked how to make a transition easier not how to make the cat feel safe or how to give her a safe place. The advice you gave me is stuff I already did and knew from previous research....

And second I am not bashing, I've been forced to defend myself because I treid to reach out for help.

Third. I will fight to the death for logic, and most of you are filled with nonsense, I want everyone to take a hard look at themselves and make sure they are thinking and doing the right thing????

want4rain
September 4th, 2008, 04:38 PM
to also add.... the home place these kittens will take are a place you could have adopted rescues. :(

-ash

chaelleigh
September 4th, 2008, 04:48 PM
YOU PEOPLE MUST READ WHAT I SAY…. THIS IS PROVING TO BE A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU WONT READ WHAT I SAY, SO AGAIN….

I didn’t want a rescue cat, I had no intention of adopting any more cats, nor was I going out of my way to save any cats in shelters. But because I didn’t forcefully remove my cat’s insides she is pregnant. I am fully prepared to have and love 4 more kittens because nature’s course brought them to me.

*Want4rain*
Since you all want to compare cats to humans. Would you tell a pregnant teenager who doesn’t know who the father is to abort her baby, even if it might be born diseased due to the father’s genetic defect?? Or better yet, should I kill my two children and adopt a few starving children from one of the overpopulated countries of Africa??

want4rain
September 4th, 2008, 04:58 PM
*Want4rain*
Since you all want to compare cats to humans. Would you tell a pregnant teenager who doesn’t know who the father is to abort her baby, even if it might be born diseased due to the father’s genetic defect??

take a good look at China.


let me ask you, have you ever delivered a litter of kittens?? i have. one survived. the other 6 came out in pieces.

AAAAND i DID have a kid as a teen to a father of which had unknown (to me) genetic issues. look through that second genetics site. my daughter is (as cat genetics go) classified as 'pd'. :D (i will have to remember to tell her that when SHE starts reproducing!!)

anyways, the one surviving kitten lived to be 5 weeks old. i was 13 when this happened. i crushed her head in with a brick. no one would take her to the vet and she was in terrible pain due to unknown internal birth defects, disease... who knows.

-ashley

aslan
September 4th, 2008, 04:59 PM
want4 check your pm's

luckypenny
September 4th, 2008, 05:09 PM
Let me say first that I am a FIRM believer in spaying/neutering but only AFTER they have the opportunity to experience parenting once

I have full intentions of keeping and caring for all our kittens FOREVER on our 5 acres of land.

I am fully prepared to have and love 4 more kittens because nature’s course brought them to me.

Question? How many cats are you prepared to keep and take care of if each of these kittens are permitted to reproduce at least once? And then you'll permit all those kittens "to have the opportunity to experience parenting once"? And then their offspring :confused:? Won't be long before you end up with hundreds of kitties :eek:. How long before you'll have to sell all 5 acres of land to pay for food and vet bills. Then where will all those cats and kitties go :shrug:?

Sorry, can't help you with your original question but several other members had some great ideas to help make her feel secure during the transition.

BusterKitty
September 4th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Best i can suggest to you is, block off a doorway or two with a babygate so the cat has a safe place to go. She will start looking for a place shortly before she is about to deliver. Once she finds her hidy place block it off so the pup and kids can't go to her, she will want to be alone. When she starts to deliver keep an eye on her incase she needs help. Basically best you can do is give her peace and quiet. I hope this answers your needs, if not feel free to ask what you need in detail.

No you didn't help me, I asked how to make a transition easier not how to make the cat feel safe or how to give her a safe place. The advice you gave me is stuff I already did and knew from previous research....

Uhh, how were we suppose to know that you knew that already? And it does help if the cat feels safe. It'll comfort her and make her transition a bit easier. I guess Feliway would help as well since it's a pheromone. When your cat first gets there, seclude it so it feels safe. Keep a look-out this whole month because(as others said) the due date might not be the 15th.

If you think that fixing is dangerous, there's no point in fixing at all, is there? And don't you think we all want the BEST for our pets too? Fixing is GOOD. I'm sorry that this is not your belief, but it is ours.

Seriously, you're not gonna get much defence other than your own on this board.

14+kitties
September 4th, 2008, 05:29 PM
Ok, finished my hash pipe. Now I can answer you calmly and reasonably.

In all of our posts to you I can’t remember one vile word coming out. In your reply post to us we; got called stupid (I assume that is what you meant when you said “kick start our last few brain cells”) but I will have to drag out my little used dictionary to find out if that is what you really meant ‘cause I am only a stupid Canadian who’s ideas and thoughts don’t matter; are d**che-bags (I am assuming that ** are the missing “ou” but again, I don’t use words like that); have bile filled mouths (YUCK! I personally would be washing mine out if it was filled with bile); are hypocrites, even though in your original post you said “Let me say first that I am a FIRM believer in spaying/neutering but only AFTER they have the opportunity to experience parenting once” and in your ensuing posts made no mention of being a firm believer in spaying/neutering. In fact, you sound like you are completely against it. Pretty hypocritical on your part, isn’t it?
The meaning of hypocrite is - somebody who pretends to have admirable principles, beliefs, or feelings but behaves otherwise. I know that because I just dusted of the earlier mentioned little used dictionary.

I am not part of the problem, you assume I am. I have full intentions of keeping and caring for all our kittens FOREVER on our 5 acres of land. So they will not be feral cats, so get off that. Second if you “helped” me by posting scare tactics of euthanized cats from your shelter, thanks I’ll pass.
Another one of your posts. I am assuming, although we all know what assumptions do, that you are going to stick to your belief that I am a FIRM believer in spaying/neutering but only AFTER they have the opportunity to experience parenting once…. so therefore any female cats your cats/kittens may have will be spitting out more, and more, and more…….. Please, cats don’t know they are supposed to stick to 5 acres. They will spread themselves out a lot further than that. Therefore, the problem is no longer just yours. It is now the neighbors, their neighbors, and so on, and so on.

For the record – I am not part of any organization. I do what I do on my own. But that’s ok, ‘cause I am only a stupid, vile mouthed, d**che bag of a Canadian who’s ideas don’t matter anyway.

aslan
September 4th, 2008, 05:35 PM
14+:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughi ng::laughing: d**che bag...

Ford
September 4th, 2008, 05:42 PM
The original question is one that should be asked of a vet. Each pregnancy is different, and present it's own unique challanges. Looking for advice on an internet forum, no matter how well intentioned, is ill-advised and putting your cat in further risk. Without the attention of a profesional, or at the very least, someone with experience and knowledge of how to properly care for the animal is a recipe for disaster.

As well, this thread has run it's course and will now be closed.