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Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 01:26 AM
Hi,
I am new to list and new to dog ownership. This is my first ever dog. I have a 10mos Shepherd X female (Lindy) that I got from a shelter two days ago. She was rescued from a reserve and has an unknown history. I don't know if she is housebroken, she will sit, and lie down she is doing not too badly on leash but has started to pull a bit. She has been a bit nippy with us (me and the two kids) which we are working on. When I brought her home yesterday she refused to come in the house. I got her in by pulling but she crawled across the floor and was not happy! She slept outside in her crate last night. Tonight she is in her crate in the garage because of the rain and thunderstorm. I have read that outside dogs are not as well socialized as inside dogs so I don't really want to let her be an outside dog. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Jane :confused: :eek:

badger
July 16th, 2004, 01:37 AM
Not to generalize, but from my own experience (Pacific Northwest) reserve dogs are mainly outside dogs. In some cases this means tied up, ignored, underfed and just plain abused. I'm guessing this dog isn't used to being inside a house, period, and it represents something very scary for him (perhaps the source of previous abuse?). In addition to some careful training, he will need plenty of TLC. Don't give up!

Lucky Rescue
July 16th, 2004, 09:27 AM
badger is right. This dog was probably never inside a house in her life, and is totally stressed and freaking out right now.

The most important thing for a dog like this is sonsistancy. Everything at the same time ever day. Knowing what is going to happen next will help make her feel more secure.

You are going to have to take this VERY very slowly. Never pull or drag the dog anywhere. She needs to learn to trust you and to feel safe. Let her do things at her own pace. DO NOT soothe or comfort her. She will think that is praise for acting fearful.

She needs to be introduced to ONE person at a time, or will be so overwhelmed she may snap.

One thing that may help is something called Rescue Remedy, which you can get at most health food stores.

Here's a bunch of links with excellent advice on how to handle this dog.
Fearful dogs (http://www.wonderpuppy.net/canwehelp/abuse.htm)

Good luck and let us know how it's going!!

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 09:40 AM
I am really worried that I am in over my head. I do not have a consistant life.
I am a midwife. There are long stretches where I am home and around and have a normal schedule but then I can get called to a birth and be away anywhere from 3hours to 12 hours. Also, I am in clinic once a week, an all day deal. I have been getting up and walking Lindy in the morning. This morning I did manage to coax her into the house. She sniffed all over and then went right back outside.
I feel terrible but my gut is telling me to take her back to the Humane Society and let someone with more consistancy, more time and more experience take her in. I think I made a big mistake. She really is a lovely dog, I just don't know if this is going to work!! My kids are going to hate me.
Very distressed.
Jane

heidiho
July 16th, 2004, 09:47 AM
Why is her crate in the garage and not in the house,just curious??

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 10:00 AM
She wouldn't come in the house. There was a thunderstorm and I thought she might be too frightened outside.
Jane

heidiho
July 16th, 2004, 10:06 AM
I feel for you i just got rid of my gsd he was agrressive and sounds funny but he was jealous to,if you can fix it i would try,i got mine when he was 7 weeks ,he was my bud,i miss him terribly,but if you arent gonna keep him the sooner you get rid of him the easier it might be......

Catt31
July 16th, 2004, 10:09 AM
Please don't give up on your girl!!! It will take time and patience, and a lot of work, but in the end, it will be worth it! Is there any way you can be home with her for a week or so? I would play with her outside, or just sit there with her, so she knows that you aren't going to hurt her, build trust with her as often as you can. I too have a rescue dog and although he would come in the house, it took some time to get him settled and able to trust us. It's been a lot of work, but to be honest, the people on this site were VERY helpful. And we are still learning!!! So you came to the right spot, just hang in there and do as much research as you can. Trust is the key issue with Lindy right now! Good luck and keep us posted!! :D

Lucky Rescue
July 16th, 2004, 10:12 AM
I had a foster dog who was TERRIFIED of absolutely everything. It took about a month or so to get her over much of her fears.

It sounds like there is improvement already with your dog! You have only had her TWO days! That is not enough time for even the most well-adjusted and calm dog to get used to a new home and new people.

Please read the links I gave you before making up your mind, to see if you feel the things outlined are something you can do.

Please - at least give her 2 weeks to see if you can handle this.

Shmyst
July 16th, 2004, 10:33 AM
If I were you I would talk to a good trainer. I don't know where you are, but there is a trainer in Lethbrige, AB that is very good. My friend also got a rescued Sheperd Cross that had been abused and He helped her out alot. Her dog is now very happy and does well with people and other animals.

Bogdans Training - ask for Bogdan www.dogcentre.ca

glasslass
July 16th, 2004, 11:05 AM
Just a thought. Is she having to walk across a hard, slippery surface? I've seen many larger dogs who aren't used to the different footing. They'll walk very cautiously and then be so relieved when they get on the carpet and the footing seems more stable to them. I've seen them scramble, slip, and slide because they're so nervous. And welcome! :)

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 11:42 AM
I talked with some friends and they have calmed me down. I have thought through some of my reasons for getting a dog :companionship, a pet friend for the kids, a reason for me to get more exercise(don't laugh!), I have always had a cat. Dogs are new to me. My last cat was a humane society kitten who died last November at the ripe old age of 19. Some of the reasons for not wanting a dog: the hair, (I just cleaned up from the cat, got new furniture), SO here is my plan:
1.Lindy will be a mainly outside dog,
2.I will give her two walks a day.
3. I will build her a big dog run for when I am not home, it will include the sand box that the kids don't use but she likes to dig in, a grassy area, a pea gravel area and an insulated dog house, plenty of fresh water and shade of a big tree. I like to be outside in the back yard so the spring, summer and fall won't be a problem.
4.I will fix the fence so that she can be off leash in the back yard.
5. In winter and even at other times I am willing for her to be inside but downstairs only. The kids hang out downstairs alot, TV, DVD, Gamecube, playing.
6.I will go to obedience school with her and love her up every chance I get.

If this sounds at all unreasonable please let me know(like that will be a problem on this forum ;) )
Jane

Luba
July 16th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Poor dog may have been completely an outdoor dog or could have been punished by coming indoors.

You can work with this dog :D no problem! Lindy lets get you turned around girl !

What you'll have to do is reinforce that coming into the house only 'good' things will happen.

So, every day make a trail of treats to the doorway, leave the door open and put the dogs food dish just inside the door. Feed meals this way :D

After a week of feeding this way, start to move the dish further inside the house and adding some yummie treats to it like a boiled egg or a can of sardines.

The dog will come to know that only good things come from inside the home.

Praise the dog, pat the dog speak in happy tones of voice and you will start to notice a turn around.

Why don't you give this a try and see what happens :D
Get some toys and put them near the food dish, a ball and squeaky toy. Try to play a little in the house. Be very very soothing with your voice. NEVER yell at this dog and don't make any fast moves around her, you dont know if she was abused.

Congratulations on the new family member and thank u for saving a rescue :D

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 02:23 PM
Okay so there are some things happening.
She came inside willingly, went downstairs with the kids, sniffed around, sat on her blanket for a couple of seconds, sniffed around, sat at the bottom of the stairs and then went up with the kids and outside. I have taken her off the teather outside and she seems happier. I will watch her to make sure she doesnt dig her way out at some spot and teather her when I leave her alone for short periods to ensure she doesn't escape.
But she is still nipping and that seems to be getting worse, especially with my unsure 11 yo daughter. She seems to know that my DD is unsure and is walking all over the poor kid. I am afraid that the nipping is dominance behaviour and will only get worse. She has broken skin a couple of times on my and my sons calves.
Thanks for all the help!!
Jane

wAggie
July 16th, 2004, 10:06 PM
hmm... excellent news about the in-house visit ;)

bad news bout the nipping.... perhaps use a leash on her when she is in the house, so that you can monitor the distance btw her and ur children.

:confused:

Luba
July 16th, 2004, 10:21 PM
Well there's a great start that is wonderful news!

Your daughter, can start to train this little doggie to know that things are okay. But you should ALWAYS supervise!

Lets learn how to 'sit' first! Use a treat, something really yummie. Let the dog have one so that she knows how 'good' it is. Then teach her how to sit , unless she already knows how to.

Have your daughter get involved, telling the dog to sit. When she sits, fuss her up. OH WHAT A GOOD GIRL and give her a treat. Do this a few times yourself then hand the treat off to your daughter. Let her try it now, let the dog take the order and the treat from her. ;) Ofcourse you MUST be there to supervise.

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 10:56 PM
Well, it wasn't too bad of a day. Very hot day! I had to leave her a couple of times so I teathered her in the back yard, no problems. Then after her dinner took her for her walk and it was very good, she walked on my left and didn't pull. She is sitting very well, lying down is not too bad and she even does a 5 sec stay. Tonight I was watching a movie downstairs and left the back door open for her to come down. I called her a couple of times and then just went down and left it up to her. Well it took about 15 minutes but she did come down and proceeded to pee on the carpet. So, I sent her outside again and to her pee spot where she lay down and looked at me!!!
Oh well. She will sleep outside again in her crate. I was going to try getting her in to sleep in the crate downstairs, but that may wait 'til tomorrow.
Jane

wAggie
July 16th, 2004, 11:00 PM
ya, get her to come in and stay in the bsmt.

when she DOES pee in the yard, praise her, call out a command that'll indicate what she's doing.

she's sure to learn that. monitor her behaviour before she goes so u can learn to instigate the command.

ex, when honey whines and jumps at the back door, i ask "honey, go pee-pee?" and off we go. lol.

on occasion, i add "honey, go pee-pee! while she's doing it" :)

Luba
July 16th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Did u try the food suggestion I gave you yet?

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 11:05 PM
Yes to the food suggestion, I gave her a cookie as soon as she came downstairs. I just "put her to bed" outside in the crate. She is whining. Should i move the crate downstairs and hope she will come back in and go in it?
ARGGG

Luba
July 16th, 2004, 11:17 PM
I'd definitely let her sleep in the house. :D

Thats a great idea, bring her in with some treats.

Is there a reason why you want her in the basement though?

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 11:23 PM
It is 30 degrees in here!! It is nice and cool in the basement. She is nervous as hell in the house, she has been in the basement.

wAggie
July 16th, 2004, 11:25 PM
whatever keeps her in the house, good for you :)

one day, she'll move on up to the bed. ;)

Freyja
July 16th, 2004, 11:28 PM
This is the post I posted earlier.
You are kidding about the bed right?!?!

I talked with some friends and they have calmed me down. I have thought through some of my reasons for getting a dog :companionship, a pet friend for the kids, a reason for me to get more exercise(don't laugh!), I have always had a cat. Dogs are new to me. My last cat was a humane society kitten who died last November at the ripe old age of 19. Some of the reasons for not wanting a dog: the hair, (I just cleaned up from the cat, got new furniture), SO here is my plan:
1.Lindy will be a mainly outside dog,
2.I will give her two walks a day.
3. I will build her a big dog run for when I am not home, it will include the sand box that the kids don't use but she likes to dig in, a grassy area, a pea gravel area and an insulated dog house, plenty of fresh water and shade of a big tree. I like to be outside in the back yard so the spring, summer and fall won't be a problem.
4.I will fix the fence so that she can be off leash in the back yard.
5. In winter and even at other times I am willing for her to be inside but downstairs only. The kids hang out downstairs alot, TV, DVD, Gamecube, playing.
6.I will go to obedience school with her and love her up every chance I get.

If this sounds at all unreasonable please let me know(like that will be a problem on this forum ;) )
Jane

Luba
July 16th, 2004, 11:39 PM
Freyja

I know you want her in the basement but I"m just trying to understand why?

It's great what you've done so far, truly I admire your rescuing this dog.

The problem with 'keeping' the dog in the basement is that the dog will still be separated from the 'pack' being you and your family.

It is going to be a battle to say the least and you'll probably have a couple of sleepless nights.

The dog won't really understand that it's 'cooler' down there so thats why she's there. It's just to her reinforcing that she doesn't belong with this pack.

Can you put the crate upstairs somewhere near a window where a cool breeze could blow in? Say a central area but tucked into a corner so the dog feels some security behind her like a wall?

What do you think she would do if you just let her choose herself where she wanted to sleep in the house, just curious? where would she go? If you put the crate and her bedding in a nice place but left the door open. ??

wAggie
July 16th, 2004, 11:44 PM
OF course i was kidding about the bed!!

I did read every word of ur post, silly. :p :p

hahahahaha

(hence the wink!)

Freyja
July 17th, 2004, 09:15 AM
I totally get the whole pack thing. I have read and read and then I went back to the library and read some more. You are right I am hesitant to have this dog in my home. That is why I am feeling I made a bad choice. The cat was 19years old and senile and he started to get dirty. I loved him very much and it was hard to always have to be cleaning up after him. Then he got much much worse and I held him and cried while I let him gently go from this world.
So for the past 8 months my home has been mine again, clean(for the most part ;) ), pet hair free and my furniture has not been scratched up. Can I train this dog to not wreck my stuff, probably, but what is going to happen from point A to the desired point B? That is my fear and concern. So, can she be down stairs where the crappy furniture is and only upstairs supervised until she proves herself trustworthy?
Jane

Luba
July 17th, 2004, 09:29 AM
Well first of all let me say, thank you for your honesty!

Definitely supervise the dogs behaviour while in your home but be careful not to shout and scare the dog. Any unwanted behaviour you can redirect by getting some toys, balls, stuffed animals with no eyes or noses on them, squeaky toys, rope toys and such.

It's wonderful that you are reaching out this way and trying to solve the situation by getting advise rather then just returning her to the shelter. So many people aren't willing to try, and these dogs DESERVE their best shot at it!

Let her explore the house though, let her on her own (while you're watching from a distance) walk around and check things out. Put her water dish somewhere that she can get at easily without any effort and show it to her.
Put a bed somewhere that she can lay down on, show it to her and give her a treat when she lays on it.

I'm sure you're going to have days where you may just wanna pull your hair out BUT with dedication and positive reinforcement things will work out.

As for the pet hair, get some dog brushes my friend and get to work by introducing them to her and rewarding her for letting you brush her. I'd suggest you do this part outside though ;)

Brushing backwards from the rump, the reverse way of the direction of hair growth will get out the fur trapped underneath the top coat.

You may want to take her after she settles in a little bit to a groomer for a good bath, groom and nail clipping.

I always recommend everyone tell their groomer to put cotton balls in the dogs ears. Prevents soap catching there and causing ear aches and infection :D

glasslass
July 17th, 2004, 10:03 AM
I once saw a Great Dane that made a great housedog. We were visiting in the livingroom and this huge dog came quietly in and lay down on a throw rug. Then it did a sort of slink/belly crawl (staying at the same level as the coffee table) to another throw rug to another until he was real close. He just wanted to be part of the group, but was very aware of his size. It was so cute watching this huge dog trying to be small. Best part of the whole visit!

Get to know the dog on a personal level. It will really make the effort much less of a chore and it will be a great experience for the whole family. Half the battle when you first start is the determination to make it work.

When you're old, it's the love and friendships that will mean the most and that will forever remain with you. The furniture will probably be out-of-date, worn out and replaced several times. I can't remember what kind of couch we had growing up, but I do remember, fondly, our household pets.

Catt31
July 17th, 2004, 02:51 PM
Hey Jane, welcome to the board. I just noticed you are in Calgary...me too!!

A GREAT place to go for help and advice in regards to dog supplies and such is called "Fairplay"..the people there are VERY knowledgeable and helpful!! Get a soft bristled brush (hair, not rubber) first before you try a rake. Brick doesn't care much for the rake, and it is really only good for shedding time. He loves his soft brush, and at first, we only brushed for a few min. at a time...now he loves it!!!

Also, I have the name of a wonderful dog training lady, who comes to your home for 3 visits, 2 hours each, at your convenience, and will discuss and train to what Lindy needs. On the last visit, she brings her dogs so yours will get some socialization. We are on visit #2 next week...she is very calm and gentle with my dog, and we've learned a lot!! I too have a rescue dog!!

If you want more info, pm me and I'll do what I can to help you out!!! I'm off work for the summer (I'm a teacher) so I have some spare time too, if you'd like an extra set of hands for brushing or walking (or whatever)!! :D

We'll get this girl of yours trained and friendly in no time!! Luba's advice about not shouting or getting angry is VERY important, especially since you don't know what her previous life was like. Be patient and gentle and she WILL come around!!! Guaranteed!!! Good luck and let me know if you need anything!! :D :D

Luba
July 17th, 2004, 03:01 PM
Oh Catt thats wonderful :D See Jane you got friends there already and you don't know it!

You're a midwife *hats off to you* it's a very very wonderful thing you're doing!

Slicker brushes work well BUT not for a first grooming to get tangles out, they will hurt and pull. Start in a small section and use a paddle brush, they almost look like our human hair brushes but they are wire bristles tipped off with plastic so as not to hurt.

From the mix, it sounds like you have a big fur coat there (giggles) and it will take some time getting used to grooming.

Nipping can be very typical of border collies. Have you noticed that she doesn't like to have you stare into her eyes and is she nipping at heels mostly?

glasslass
July 17th, 2004, 03:15 PM
The slicker brush is indispensible for grooming a poodle. I don't know about a GSD, but am very familiar with the slicker. It's good for working out mats (very gradually and gently), removing loose hair, even getting hair off upholstery! (Poodle doesn't shed; cat does.) It can be very painful if you make contact with the skin. I would suggest using something different to brush out the coat, then just finish off with the slicker to fluff or remove loosened hair.

Spoiled
July 17th, 2004, 03:21 PM
I didn't read all of the posts, so this may have been suggested before, but let her take this at her own speed. If she doesn't want to come into your house, leave the door open and put her food just inside the door. Have treats inside for her to eat when she comes inside. Lead her in on a leash, but if she doesn't want to come in, let her be. If you need to put her inside, take her kennel out, get her inside it, and pick it up and move it inside. Also, try keeping her only in one room, preferably a spare room that is not used a lot that is close to the door. That can be her special place where she can go if frightened.

LavenderRott
July 17th, 2004, 05:51 PM
I know plenty of GOOD dog owners who have dogs that spend lots of time in an outdoor kennel. So long as the important stuff isn't neglected, she should be fine.

By important stuff, I mean time with the family, training, socializing, things like that.

Yes, it would be wonderful if she could spend evenings in the house with you. If your t.v. and stuff are in a room in the basement, that is just fine.

As far as grooming goes, find yourself a big bristle brush. It will get the hair off, but it will take a bit longer. A rake is going to be uncomfortable for a dog not used to being groomed, much like the slicker. Once you get her used to being groomed, then you can get out the big guns.

Freyja
July 17th, 2004, 06:44 PM
I went to Fairplay. Great store, wish I had gone there before Petland!! The crates were tonnes cheaper. I got a rubber mitt on advice. Very gentle, not too effective but I will be able to give her the idea. I also bought a rake for later. Also got a retractable leash for the open park.
Lady at the store advised whistle training for "come" and said that after a couple of weeks I should go to the off leash and let her go. Whaddya think?
Also said to squirt lemon in her mouth for the nipping. Loud "ouch" first and then the lemon if she doesn't settle down. I have been doing the loud ouch, giving her toys to play with, teaching her about go fetch and if she doesn't play without biting then I walk away. Not possible to do at the park though.
Again, thank you, this is a great resource.
I hope I am an online helper in a few years so I can give back, you have been invaluable.
Jane

glasslass
July 17th, 2004, 07:03 PM
I've never heard of "Fairplay". Should I be jealous? :confused:

Catt31
July 17th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Ohh yesss Glassy...you should be jealous!! LOL Its a family owned business here in Calgary, and it just sells pet supplies...NO pets at all!! They are really friendly and knowledgeable! I go there all the time!!! :) They know Brick well!!!

I wouldn't take her to an off leash right away, let her get used to you and the kids and your house and yard. She has to have trust in YOU before you can be sure she will come back when you called!!! She also needs to have some basic obedience too, for everyone's safety, including hers!! If you can, I would get her obedience lessons right away....and maybe the private ones will be your best bet since Lindy has a lot of issues!! The lady's name is Jennifer, and her company is called "Dog Gone Crazy", her # is 516-3212. She was even REALLY helpful on the phone prior to me agreeing to lessons....that is the reason I went with her and not anyone else. I called her, told her some issues we were having with Brick, and she gave me a lot of pointers that really helped, so we signed up!! She is coming again on Thurs!! :)

Some dogs you can never take to an off leash area, and some shouldn't be there even though their owners think they should!! :eek:

Luba
July 17th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Uh oh it was pet store madness! Thats great stuff! You know I am going to keep bugging you for pictures until you post some. :p

So did the lady have the baby? Guess not, we wouldn't be hearing from you so soon :p

Freyja
July 17th, 2004, 08:45 PM
I am guessing she will get serious about labour tonight when it cools off a little.
I don't have a digital camera! :( otherwise I would send a pic asap.
She is a pretty dog.
Off to Home Depot as the gate latch just decided to break!! Arghhh!
I am really not liking the biting!!!!!!!!
Jane :mad:

Luba
July 17th, 2004, 09:26 PM
Okay can u explain what you mean by biting and nipping behaviour

When does it happen and such?

Is it a growl then a snap or a happy jumpy silly dog nipping in play?

Either way I know it's annoying but there's different ways to treat different types of nippy behaviour.

I know you're getting that fence fixed, but the sooner the better as keeping the dog tied up is going to only increase the anxiety and encourage nipping as well.

Geeze if we only had one hundred hands and could be all over the place at the same time with limited resources ;) everything would be so much easier.


Ahhhh

Freyja
July 17th, 2004, 11:04 PM
Hi,
It is nipping in play. She never growls just jumps all over like a crazy thing nipping at arms and then down behind and at the backs of calves. Her butt wiggling and head tossing all over the place. I don't think she knows that she doesn't have baby teeth anymore. I try to redirect the play but she sometimes seems p.o'd about this and then really goes to town. I did try the lemon juice and she didn't nip for the remainder of that play session. But on our walk (3rd of the day!!!) she got nippy after playing with a dog she met. She was playing with the dog, poor thing was 9 and pretty patient with my big silly puppy. Lindy was jumping with the dog in the same way she wants to play with me. She jumped on the dog and then ran back to me and jumped and nipped me. Sometimes it really hurts! She has only broken skin with more of a scratch than a puncture.
The fence is fixed she is off leash in the back yard when I am home. I have only been teathering her when I am away for short periods. She is a digger. And I am not confident of the fence at the back if she were to dig. I have a not used anymore sand box and have redirected her to that and she willingly uses it. She even went there when she was corrected for an attempt at the lawn.
Jane

Luba
July 17th, 2004, 11:58 PM
I think what you have here is a dog that is estatic that someone is actually paying attention to her. She's learning her social skills now rather then when she was a young puppy.

With the nipping and jumping does she bark also. This is all typical collie behaviour. The nipping is instinct in a lot of ways, trying to herd you so to speak. They don't know why they're doing it, they just 'do it'. Then there is the fact of socially she doesn't know what is expected from her in this new 'heaven' she is now calling 'home'. Her life before you, could have been quite traumatic and antisocial.

What you need to do when she is nipping and jumping and barking at you is to make like a statue. Fold your arms in front of you, make NO eye contact, turn your back on her. She jumps, turn away and fold your arms not looking at her. BE very still! It's no fun to play with something that isn't responding to her.

When she calms down resume what you were doing. Get a ball and throw it, give a toy or anything like that.

If she starts again, return to your 'statue' pose, keep still. Teach your entire family this. It's important to completely ignore her when she's behaving this way, no eye contact, no touching, no voice commands NOTHING!

She'll get the hint eventually. :D

p.s.
I hope the lady has a very smooth delivery and that she and baby are healthy and strong.

lenka_f
July 17th, 2004, 11:59 PM
Hey,
The doula hugs to a midwife :p . I really know what you are saying "inconsistent schedule" - I am there with you in the same boat. Just think of this whole process of adjusting the dog to your house and your life as of the labour. It is a hard work, and it is sometimes frustraiting and sometimes you feel like you can't go any further :eek: but you can do it and it all worth it. And just like in the labour you have to take it one little step at a time. Just remember this process is as hard for your dog as it is for you. So... support her just the way you would support a mom in the labour ( exept of the breathing maybe :) )

Freyja
July 19th, 2004, 09:02 AM
Catt31: Thanks for the lead on a trainer. I will call her. The nipping in play is not getting better. I am trying my darndest to distract her and teach her an appropriate way to play. She is starting to get the concept of fetch. But she gets excited and starts the nipping. I use one hand to play fetch and hold the lemon juice in the other hand. I use lots of praise with the play hand and when she starts to nip I show her the lemon. She does not like lemon juice. ps just so you know I only squirt it in her mouth when I have to, NEVER her face, lemon juice stings. Mostly I squirt it on the bottle(one of those lemon shaped Realemon bottles) and when she is nipping give her the lemon hand. Seems to be working a bit.
Luba: HaHaHaHa!! okay YOU try and stand like a statue when a dog is nipping at your ankles!!! Maybe if I was wearing pants and not shorts. It doesn't usually hurt but I dare anyone not to squirm!!! :p
Lindy came in the house this morning after breakfast. I have been feeding her in the house. Had a sniff around, sat with me for a couple of minutes and then went to the back door to be let out again.
I was away most of yesterday with the labouring mom, but was able to be home to take her for a walk and feed her fortunately. We had a good play last night when I got home, she wasn't interested in a walk, so I put her to bed with a kong in her crate outside. Will work on moving her in as she gets more comfortable with inside.
Thanks for all of your help.
Going for our walk now before it gets too hot!
Jane

Catt31
July 19th, 2004, 09:34 AM
No problem!!! Anything I can do to help!! Even just to talk to her on the phone for pointers will be helpful!! Brick nips/nibbles when he is all hyper and spazzy while playing, I just say "ouch" and he usually stops. If he doesn't, then I ignore him and walk away. It sounds like Lindy is a bit more intense on it eh?? Keep at it with the lemon juice, it seems to be working!! You're doing a fantastic job...don't give up on her!! She will (and is already) starting to come around!!! Good job!!! :D

Luba
July 19th, 2004, 11:13 AM
I know how hard it is to stand still Freya :p I have a herding dog and they do it constantly, esp when pups. But it works. A couple nips then they usually stop. The herding breeds do it out of instinct from their background, dont' you know you're a sheep :D But standing still is the easiest way to curb that behaviour.

I'm delighted Lindy ate inside woo hoo!! Thats great stuff. See, there is progress even when you don't think there is some, look at that how wonderful that is! :D

Freyja
July 19th, 2004, 06:47 PM
We just had a big thunderstorm. Lindy knew it was coming and she asked to come in the house. Which is great!!! So I brought the crate downstairs and set up to watch a movie. She was excited and jumping around then lay down behind the sofa for 3.2 seconds. Then got up and without any warning, no sniffing, no circling turned around and peed on the carpet again!!!!! I gave her a firm no, but too late! ARGH!!! I marched her outside and then as it was still thundering she came back in and I watched her like a hawk. She started sniffing around so back outside and after standing in the rain (fortunately it had started to let up) and asking her to "do her thing" she finally took a crap. Is this peeing a dominance thing??? ARGGGGGGGHHHH!

Catt31
July 19th, 2004, 06:51 PM
What a storm eh?? Holy crapola!!! And now its sunny!!! Mother nature is in a foul mood today!!!

It sounds like you did the right thing by taking her outside after she peed, and then again when she started sniffing. You may want to treat that pee spot with vinegar and water (or something stronger...someone else may have a better remedy), as once she smells pee there, she will always pee there!!

Maybe she is peeing out of fear?? Did she appear scared during the storm? I wouldn't think it is out of domination, but I'm no expert in that area!!! :o

Freyja
July 19th, 2004, 08:02 PM
I don't think it was fear, she seemed pretty happy to be inside. She wanted to play at first. That is her kind of play. "Let's bite at mummy's hands and calves!!!"
We had a great walk after the storm. She is walking soooooo well on leash, no pulling, sits on command at busy sidewalks, doesn't shy when crossing the busy road. But when it comes to playing she just gets too rough and wants to nip and jump. It's no fun!!!
J

Luba
July 19th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I just don't think she understands what to do to be honest with you. The only thing I can suggest is reaffirm how 'wonderful' it is when she does this outside, with a lot of praise.

When she does it indoor, don't interrupt her just wait until she is done, take her outside immediately.

She may have wanted to go but was afraid from the storm coming. Who knows how many times she was left alone and outdoors in a horrible storm.

If you can keep her on the leash when she first comes in for a little while, that may help ;)

Again, ignore the nipping....statue my girl statue yourself. AND when she stops the behaviour then give her attention.