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Nutro Pet Food Illnesses & Deaths Reported

rainbow
June 23rd, 2008, 01:09 PM
The latest news regarding Nutro....

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/pet_food_recalls98.html

ancientgirl
June 23rd, 2008, 01:34 PM
This is sad. You would think that after the huge food recall last year, the pet food companies would have at least begun better practices as to what they put in the food for our pets.

When I first got Vlad I fed him Nutro Max cat food. At the time I had been told it hadn't been part of the recall. I'm so very happy though I stopped feeding him and the others this a long time ago.

rainbow
June 23rd, 2008, 01:41 PM
Nutro wasn't as quite as bad until they were bought out by the Mars Corporation.

ancientgirl
June 23rd, 2008, 02:12 PM
I just don't get this bullcrap. How is it good business for them to cut costs by putting that stuff in their food. It's not like the public won't pay for good ingredients. There are many of us who pay more for good quality food, so it's not like they will be paying for it. I just can't understand why they would do things like this.

Sabine
June 23rd, 2008, 02:52 PM
I just don't understand why people don't educate themselves before they stuff all kinds of crap into their dogs. :wall:

My favorite link as far as consumer education goes: ***CLICK*** (http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1) :rolleyes:

rainbow
June 23rd, 2008, 03:35 PM
I just don't understand why people don't educate themselves before they stuff all kinds of crap into their dogs. :wall:

My favorite link as far as consumer education goes: ***CLICK*** (http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1) :rolleyes:


There is alot of good information in that article.

I wish everybody would learn to read the ingredient labels on the brands they choose.

Masha
June 23rd, 2008, 07:52 PM
It's not like the public won't pay for good ingredients. There are many of us who pay more for good quality food, so it's not like they will be paying for it. I just can't understand why they would do things like this.

Unfortunately those of us who are able/willing to pay for the good ingredients are a minority. Most people are just not willing to spend a little extra on better quality food for their pets either because they think its not worth the money or becuase they dont understand what they are currently feeding is very very bad. A lot of people want a quick and cheap fix, so they just pick up a bag when they do their monthly wal-mart shopping. But then if you think of some of the garbage that people eat themselves and feed to their kids, its the society as a whole that just doesnt get it...

ancientgirl
June 23rd, 2008, 09:05 PM
*sigh* I just wrote this whole reply and lost it! Gah! I don't remember half of what I wrote!

I did say I have a friend who swears by Beneful:yuck: Her resoning is, her and her family have always had dogs and they've always fed grocery store foods. I've tried talking to her about it but she also then says she can't afford anything else.

I'm just happy to know I feed my gang good quality food and they will be all the more healthy for it. I can safely say, they really do eat better than I do, but they are my responsibility and I will not feed them garbage.

tryingtorelax
June 23rd, 2008, 09:27 PM
Ancientgirl,
I am brand new to this site and hope that I am sending this e-mail correctly and that you find time to respond.
I have 2 Birman cats, one of which eats Nutro Max Cat Adult Roasted Chicken Dry Food. Is this the same food that you fed your cat? It is the only food he will eat. I am having a very hard time finding any other dry food for him and he only eats minimal amounts of wet food. My question to you, is what dry food did you switch Vlad to? I returned all the Max Cat Roasted Chicken and my cat is miserable tonight cause it isn't here. Any suggestions on what you now feed your cat since the Max Cat dry would be greatly appreciated from anyone who reads this e-mail.
Sincerely,
Tryingtorelax............but not successfully!


This is sad. You would think that after the huge food recall last year, the pet food companies would have at least begun better practices as to what they put in the food for our pets.

When I first got Vlad I fed him Nutro Max cat food. At the time I had been told it hadn't been part of the recall. I'm so very happy though I stopped feeding him and the others this a long time ago.

ancientgirl
June 23rd, 2008, 09:58 PM
Yes, I was feeding Vlad Nutro Max chicken actually. I haven't fed them that since last summer though. I started feeding my gang canned Wellness grain free about 2 months ago. It took a few weeks to get them used to it but they love it now. As for dry, mine like Innova Evo (which they loved immediately) and I've also bought for them Organix and they also will eat Wellness Core. Those are really good foods and as far as I know, none of the Wellness brands have ever been recalled.

Have a look around here in the food section. There is a lot of good information on some good dry foods. Most here I believe try to feed canned, but there are some good quality dry too.

You might want to start a new thread asking some of the other members for their suggestions as to what they are feeding their cats. That will give you a good idea of some foods that are better suited for your guy.:cat:

Good luck finding something. I know mine moped around a few days when I changed their food, but they gave the new stuff a try and eventually liked it.

tryingtorelax
June 23rd, 2008, 10:14 PM
Thank you so much for your suggestions. My cat won't eat a thing at all. I'm wondering if what I did was the right thing to do. When I first got them I gave them Innova Evo and Wellness and they had horrible diarrhea so I gave it up. I will keep looking.
Thanks so much!
T.

Yes, I was feeding Vlad Nutro Max chicken actually. I haven't fed them that since last summer though. I started feeding my gang canned Wellness grain free about 2 months ago. It took a few weeks to get them used to it but they love it now. As for dry, mine like Innova Evo (which they loved immediately) and I've also bought for them Organix and they also will eat Wellness Core. Those are really good foods and as far as I know, none of the Wellness brands have ever been recalled.

Have a look around here in the food section. There is a lot of good information on some good dry foods. Most here I believe try to feed canned, but there are some good quality dry too.

You might want to start a new thread asking some of the other members for their suggestions as to what they are feeding their cats. That will give you a good idea of some foods that are better suited for your guy.:cat:

Good luck finding something. I know mine moped around a few days when I changed their food, but they gave the new stuff a try and eventually liked it.

luckypenny
June 23rd, 2008, 10:19 PM
Welcome to pets.ca tryingtorelax :) .

Have you ever offered your cat raw meat? Check out the raw feeding forum here as well. You'll be surprised at how many members are successful at it.

tryingtorelax
June 23rd, 2008, 11:03 PM
I have not even thought of raw food. My canned food sits out w/d hills prescription diet for hours until I throw it away. Raw food scares me a little. My vet recommended w/d for thier loose stools and it does work but they don't eat a lot of it. My male since I took the dry food away, (Nutro) hasn't eaten all evening and ran upstairs under the bed, which he never does. I need a good food lower in protein as he has elevated BUN and creatine levels. I'm truly at a loss. Hills I know uses BHA And BTH as perservatives and that concerns me too, but my vet recommends it. Oh, what to do???

Thanks,
T.

rainbow
June 23rd, 2008, 11:35 PM
Tryingtorelax, I think you should start a new thread with a different title to ask for opinions. I don't know alot about cat food but Sugarcatmom and Growler are the cat food gurus here and they likely would not look at this thread if cats aren't mentioned in the title. :)

Chaser
June 23rd, 2008, 11:56 PM
Great links rainbow and Sabine. I'm SO glad I got Chase off Nutro a few months ago!

TeriM
June 24th, 2008, 12:16 AM
I can't believe that pet food companies are still pulling this crap :frustrated:.

rainbow
June 24th, 2008, 12:26 AM
I think a lot of people feared this would happen with Nutro once they were taken over by the Mars Corp. :frustrated: The same thing happened to the quality of Iams after Proctor & Gamble took it over. :sad:

ancientgirl
June 24th, 2008, 06:48 PM
I went to Pet Supermarket on my way home to get the gang some food. There was a guy looking at the Nutro Max food. He needed some that was on top of the display so the sales guy went to get a ladder and I told this guy to be careful, because there has been cases of pets getting ill that have eaten Nutro.

The guy said he had no idea and then asked me if Hills was a good brand. I pointed him towards the Wellness grain free. I told him it was a great food and had more nutritional value than any of those brands he was looking at and had never had any recall issues.

Well, he started to put the food in his cart and the sales guy came back. He told the sales guy I'd mentioned something about Nutro and the sales guy said "That's false. Nutro has a disclaimer on that. That was someone who posted something on the internet."

I said it wasn't just "someone" it there were several cases of animals being ill. The sales guy just kept saying that it was a rumor and there was a disclaimer.

I felt like asking him now much of a kick back he was getting. It's not like this other customer was leaving with no food. He filled his cart with Wellness, which was more expensive than the Nutro. Heck if anything I did the store a favor!

That showed me that people in pet stores don't know any more than a lot of people who have no clue what to feed their pets.

Sabine
June 25th, 2008, 06:39 AM
:eek: Your story is scary ! :eek:
I always say: An educated consumer is a good consumer. :) It's really too bad that there are a lot of people out there who just don't care what hits their pet's stomach. :frustrated:
If you consider, that these big (bad)food companies spend approx. 7% of the end price on production cost, you can easily figure out, WHY their products kill our pets. :mad:

happycats
June 25th, 2008, 07:08 AM
OMG OMG!!!! Both of my BIL's dogs died within 2 weeks of eachother (Back in late March and early April 2008) and they were fed Nutro!!!

He thought it was due to their age, but both had severe seizures prior to death and had to be rushed to the emergency vet!!

OMG he gave me his extra bag of Nutro for Buddy when his dogs died OMG!!!

AskSusanPeters
June 25th, 2008, 07:15 AM
Why was my writing deleted? Have I done something wrong?
Susan

Love4himies
June 25th, 2008, 07:32 AM
OMG OMG!!!! Both of my BIL's dogs died within 2 weeks of eachother (Back in late March and early April 2008) and they were fed Nutro!!!

He thought it was due to their age, but both had severe seizures prior to death and had to be rushed to the emergency vet!!

OMG he gave me his extra bag of Nutro for Buddy when his dogs died OMG!!!

Oh I am so sorry to hear about your BIL dogs :sad:

:eek: Did Buddy eat the bag of food? Did you notice any difference in him?

Love4himies
June 25th, 2008, 07:36 AM
Vets talk about the dangers of raw feeding, but I think there is more risk buying processed food than feeding raw.

I think those who feed their cheap grocery store brands (as I used to) put their trust in the companies and are ignorant to what is put in these foods.

happycats
June 25th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Oh I am so sorry to hear about your BIL dogs :sad:

:eek: Did Buddy eat the bag of food? Did you notice any difference in him?

Buddy has been eating it since i got him, and still is!! OMG I hope he's okay, I'm getting new food tonight!!

Sabine
June 25th, 2008, 07:46 AM
Vets talk about the dangers of raw feeding, but I think there is more risk buying processed food than feeding raw.

I don't have too much faith in a veterinarian's knowledge about feeding dogs. After all, they sell Hill's diet which in my opinion is right up there with the other 'bad' brands. :rolleyes: A raw diet is a species appropriate diet, or have you ever seen a wolf eating kibble and grains ? :angel: Dogs are carnivores and even scavengers and have no problems whatsoever to digest even "spoiled" meat. The ph-balance of their stomach acid is such, that salmonella and e-coli does not affect them. It's a different ballgame if their immune system is weak, but if that's the case, pretty much every type of food can be a problem. ;)

Love4himies
June 25th, 2008, 07:59 AM
I don't have too much faith in a veterinarian's knowledge about feeding dogs. After all, they sell Hill's diet which in my opinion is right up there with the other 'bad' brands. :rolleyes: A raw diet is a species appropriate diet, or have you ever seen a wolf eating kibble and grains ? :angel: Dogs are carnivores and even scavengers and have no problems whatsoever to digest even "spoiled" meat. The ph-balance of their stomach acid is such, that salmonella and e-coli does not affect them. It's a different ballgame if their immune system is weak, but if that's the case, pretty much every type of food can be a problem. ;)

I have heard about their gastro acids being at a lower ph level than humans and that their intestines are quite short allowing the food to pass quickly before bacteria can multiply.

I wish my kitties would eat raw, I keep trying, but have not been successful.

Sabine
June 25th, 2008, 08:02 AM
Unfortunately I am allergic to cats and therefore have no knowledge about them whatsoever. :o If a dog doesn't like the raw meat at first, it sometimes help to put in a pan and fry it for about a minute. That usually helps them appreciate their good-for-them food. :D I never had a dog that didn't like to eat raw. My shepherd was such a finicky eater until I started her on a B.A.R.F. diet. Now she has appetite and enjoys her food. :):thumbs up

rainbow
June 25th, 2008, 02:10 PM
Buddy has been eating it since i got him, and still is!! OMG I hope he's okay, I'm getting new food tonight!!

I'm so sorry to hear about your BIL's dogs. :sad: :grouphug:

I hope Buddy is okay :fingerscr .....I would get a blood panel run on him to be on the safe side and print out the information from consumer affairs and take it to your vet. Also, I'd get you BIL to take the info to his vet to see if it can be reported. Good luck. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

rainbow
June 25th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Why was my writing deleted? Have I done something wrong?
Susan

I have no idea. :shrug: I can't pm you as your contact info is not enabled. You should contact Ford and ask. :)

hounddog
July 8th, 2008, 12:53 PM
I am quite concerned, I am new here and I just posted on the pets health board about one of my dogs getting sick , I feed him nutra lamb and rice and he recently became sick with severe diarhea, which included blood ,I had to rush him to the vet emergency and he was prescribed med. he did eat some dirt but, I really don't know if it was related to it or not. I've been saying to my husband ever since that I feel there was something about the dog food.
I have been trying so hard to find out what to feed him . he suffers from canine epilepsy and I don't know which "people " foods to give him.
If anyone can direct me to a website or refer me a book it may be helpful. I would really appreciate it.

Joeyjoejoe
July 8th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Yikes! My kittens are eating Nutro Max Cat (dry) for kittens. They are half way through the bag and show no ill effects. In fact, lately they are more active (between the hours of 1am to 5am) than ever before! :frustrated: When will I ever get a good night sleep?

I guess I'll be stopping by the pet food store tonight! Thanks for the heads up!

sugarcatmom
July 8th, 2008, 02:21 PM
Yikes! My kittens are eating Nutro Max Cat (dry) for kittens.

Are you feeding them any canned food at all? If not, it would be a really really good idea to pick some up while you're at the store. In fact, with 2 male kittens, they shouldn't be eating ANY kibble. The lack of moisture in dry food exponentially increases the chances of urinary tract blockage in male cats. http://www.catinfo.org/

(sorry to hijack from the Nutro issue)

Joeyjoejoe
July 8th, 2008, 05:18 PM
Are you feeding them any canned food at all? If not, it would be a really really good idea to pick some up while you're at the store. In fact, with 2 male kittens, they shouldn't be eating ANY kibble. The lack of moisture in dry food exponentially increases the chances of urinary tract blockage in male cats. http://www.catinfo.org/

(sorry to hijack from the Nutro issue)

Sorry for continuing the hijack, but...

My cats will smell the wet food, but won't eat it. Tried multiple brands, same story. After reading the article, I can see that I may have done some things improperly... For example, I probably gave up too early and I leave the food out all day.

I have read conflicting info that kittens tend to snack all day rather than eat at specific times. So is leaving food out 24/7 better for kittens? At 4 months, should they have been trained to eat at specific times instead? Right now, my kittens never seem to gorge themselves. They'll just eat a little bit every 2 hours. If anything they are under weight. Food just isn't a big motivator for them.

Tonight, I'll pick up Wellness dry food for kittens and a few cans of Wellness wet food as well. I'll even pick up some parmasan cheese as the article suggests. :shrug: Who knows... nothing I tried has worked so far.

I doubt I'll ever do the raw food... I can barely cook for myself. :rolleyes:

sugarcatmom
July 8th, 2008, 06:13 PM
My cats will smell the wet food, but won't eat it. Tried multiple brands, same story. After reading the article, I can see that I may have done some things improperly... For example, I probably gave up too early and I leave the food out all day.

It can take a while to convince cats that a new food is actually edible. They tend to be very suspicious of unfamiliar smells and textures and tastes (a defense mechanism to avoid accidently eating something toxic). There are a few ways to overcome this: one is to merely leave a tablespoon of the new food next to their usual food and let them get accustomed to the smell for a few days (refresh the canned a couple times a day - but it truly is fine to leave it out). Then slowly decrease the amount of old food left out while increasing the new. You should eventually see evidence of nibbling on the canned.

Another option is to pulverize their favourite dry food and sprinkle it on top of the wet. This combines the familiar with the unfamiliar and hopefully they make the transfer that this new stuff is also okay.

Or, mixing it with something stinky that the kittens find irresistible, such as tuna juice or plain meat baby food (no onions - chicken usually works great) helps overcome some suspiciousness. Powdered treats like freeze-dried chicken or salmon (Halo Liv-a-Littles or Real Food Toppers for example) sprinkled on the canned are another trick.

So ya, don't give up! This is probably the single most important thing you can do for the health of your kitties.


I have read conflicting info that kittens tend to snack all day rather than eat at specific times. So is leaving food out 24/7 better for kittens? At 4 months, should they have been trained to eat at specific times instead? Right now, my kittens never seem to gorge themselves. They'll just eat a little bit every 2 hours.

I would leave the food out for them, just make it canned instead of dry. It's a more natural feeding pattern for them to snack frequently. And like I said, although most people don't realize this, there is nothing wrong with putting down a meal of canned food and leaving it out for them to eat over the course of a day. Then put down a fresh meal at dinner time. Contrary to popular belief, it won't spoil in that amount of time.

I doubt I'll ever do the raw food... I can barely cook for myself. :rolleyes:

I hear ya. Not only do I not cook (thank goodness for hubby!), but I'm a vegetarian, so making raw from scratch isn't at the top of my list either. However, you can buy pre-packaged frozen raw food at some of the better pet food stores. Not all are created equal (Nature's Variety (http://www.naturesvariety.com/raw) is a decent one that is widely available) and you still have to do some research on the ingredients, but for the most part it's as easy as opening up a can. Just something to think about in the future.

Anyway, good luck with the transition, and feel free to start a new thread on the topic to let us know how it goes.

Joeyjoejoe
July 8th, 2008, 10:47 PM
Okay, I promise this will be the last off topic post...

I have to first transition them from the Nutro to the Wellness. I don't think that'll be too much of a problem, they have had multiple varieties of dry food in the past with no problems.

I bought a few cans of the Wellness wet as well, but won't introduce that just right away. Maybe in a week or two.

I'll post again after the trying the switch.

brandikiss
July 10th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Sickening! Obviously there's a cover up here. I would not feed my dog that . I feel so sorry for the owners of the pets. And what makes it worse is how it's like no one is listening to them. I believe it is the Nutro food.

What I don't understand is people going out and buying a brand that had been recalled before. I would Never trust the brand again. When I was researching dog food for my dog, I had advice from a friend who worked at a pet store and she mentioned Nutro, I told her, isn't Nutro one of the pet foods that was recalled? She said yes but it is safe now.
Why on earth would I trust that it is safe now? I'm sooooooo glad I didn't buy it and that I didn't trust it, now there are new illnesses and deaths. How sad!

kathryn
July 11th, 2008, 12:52 AM
What I don't understand is people going out and buying a brand that had been recalled before. I would Never trust the brand again.

It isn't always the companies fault. Blue Buffalo was recalled, but it was because the plant was adding in junk without their permission, and hid it behind their backs really well. As soon as Blue found out, they immediately terminated their contract with a plant and got a new company to make their food for them with a better reputation.

So it doesn't always apply.

ancientgirl
July 11th, 2008, 08:44 AM
Sickening! Obviously there's a cover up here. I would not feed my dog that . I feel so sorry for the owners of the pets. And what makes it worse is how it's like no one is listening to them. I believe it is the Nutro food.

What I don't understand is people going out and buying a brand that had been recalled before. I would Never trust the brand again. When I was researching dog food for my dog, I had advice from a friend who worked at a pet store and she mentioned Nutro, I told her, isn't Nutro one of the pet foods that was recalled? She said yes but it is safe now.
Why on earth would I trust that it is safe now? I'm sooooooo glad I didn't buy it and that I didn't trust it, now there are new illnesses and deaths. How sad!

That's one of the big problems I have in asking a store employee about food. They really don't know, they just work there and sell the stuff. When I got my Vlad as a kitty it was after the big recall, and I asked the woman at the pet store to point me to a brand that hadn't been recalled. She pointed me to Nutro. I come to find out about a month later it had been on the recall list!

Then just last month with all this new stuff going on I recommended to some guy buying food at the pet store to buy Wellness, and that there was some suspicion on Nutro. Can you believe the store clerk argued about it? He said that it was all just a smear campaign by someone on the internet and that Nutro already came out with a statement blah blah blah.

Well thankfully the one guy kept the Wellness in his basket.

People working at these stores are there doing their job, selling. Most of them have no clue what's good or not.

Sabine
July 13th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Guys - I don't trust most VETS when it comes to nutritional advice let alone a petstore employee ! ! :eek:
All you can do is EDUCATE yourselves and apply your own knowledge. It's not that hard. There's a LOT of good information out there. ;)

rivers
July 13th, 2008, 11:20 AM
I am one of those consumers who just wants the RIGHT food for their dog. But it is really difficult to choose a brand when the dog food companies are all about marketing and lies. Including the top brand foods, they are just as guilty for making money out of the confused consumer, and pushing their prices up.

I find myself totally confused when buying food, with shelves and shelves of holistic choices all ranging from cheaper to very expensive, small bags to just a little more for double the price, pretty puppy faces staring at me, or MY breed staring at me for a lot cheaper. What do I choose? The one with all great photos of the veggies that I want to eat, but find out later that beet pulp is not good, or the one with my dog on the bag, claiming it is the best for me because it is breed specific. BS all of it!

I do research, but 3 years later I am still hopping from one brand to the next, trying to find the one that my dog loves and that I am happy with.

Wellness, she would rather have starved than eat that stuff, Solid Gold worked when was a puppy, but soon she stopped eating that too, needed a change in flavour, I went for Made in Canada, worked for a while, but realised it wasn't good enough when you got down to the food analysis. Tried cheap food, Cesar, she loves it, obviously, but I know it is not right for her because it is too cheap and no way can that be right food for her, despite all their marketing and glossy brochures and how excellent they say their food is.

So now I'm heading out to buy a bag of Innova, why? because I saw a lady at the vet who's dog had a shiny coat, and she told me it was Innova. My vet recommended Iams, my groomer said food shouldn't matter, it is the daily brushing that makes the difference!

Who do I trust? Who do I go to get the right info? The internet? Breeders who recommend brands like Purina? Forums with people and opionions? The food store? My vet? My groomer?

And that is why some people stick to a bag of what ever their dog likes.

There, that is where I am now. :sick:

Sabine
July 13th, 2008, 11:41 AM
I gave up and started feeding raw. My dogs never felt better. :D
The cheap dogfoods the dogs love because they are enhanced with artificial flavors to a point, where no dog can resist. Lots of them are sprayed with restaurant grease for 'added palatability'. :yuck: Not to mention the sugar that's poured into it, to make it 'addictive'. Leave all of that out and the food would probably taste like a bad batch of cardboard that's been rotting away in some damp basement. ;) Even though, holistic brands are no guarantee either, they ARE better because of their ingredients. Looking at those cheap foods and knowing, that they still are cheap in spite of the low production costs (~ 7% :confused:) - that pretty much gives you a pretty good idea about their quality. :eek::sick:

rivers
July 13th, 2008, 12:47 PM
I am seriously considering going RAW.

brandikiss
July 15th, 2008, 02:15 AM
Wow Ancient Girl... that's pretty messed up. If there is even a chance that it could be true, the pet store employee should not argue about it. And I believe it is true, I'm just saying in the employee's mind... did he/she not have a conscience?

ancientgirl
July 15th, 2008, 08:53 AM
What makes me really angry is, he knew it HAD been reported as a recalled item. Then he argued it was a smear campaign. I was pointing the one guy to a food that is actually better in quality. At that point the employee should have just said:

"Well yes, there is some issue about this being recalled, but if you don't feel comfortable with it, Wellness is a high quality food that has never been recalled."

He didn't do that, he wanted to sell the guy the Nutro. And not long ago I was at Petco and there was a Hills display with a guy giving out information. He had charts and lots of displays about pet health blah blah blah. He was also giving out goodie bags with a free little sample bag of Science diet, a measuring cup and a couple of toys. LOL, I gladly took the goodie bag, kept the measuring cup and the toys and threw the food away.:D