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heidiho
July 5th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Topless protesters march against bullfighting
First of 8 bull runs is set for Wednesday
Monday, July 5, 2004 Posted: 5:39 PM EDT (2139 GMT)



Seminude members of animal protection group, PETA, hold a banner during a protest.


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MADRID, Spain (AP) -- Several hundred animal rights activists -- some in their underwear, others topless -- marched through the streets of Pamplona Monday to condemn bullfighting on the eve of the Spanish city's wildly popular running of the bulls.

About 200 supporters of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals came from 15 countries to march along the same cobblestone route that bulls and daredevil humans cover every July in a series of mad dashes from a holding pen to the bullring.

The protesters had planned to run totally nude but could not because they didn't get the necessary town hall permit, the Efe news agency reported. Police could not confirm the report.

Isabel Gonzalez, head of an anti-bullfighting organization in Belgium, said bullfighting is cruel.

"The animals suffer, and nobody has the right to mistreat them just to stage a fiesta," she said.

She said the running of the bulls also is inhumane because runners pull the bull's tails, kick them and "the animals run in a state of panic."

This year's festival begins Tuesday with a ceremony called the chupinazo, in which a small rocket is fired from a balcony overlooking the main square to signal the start of nine days of street parties in honor of the city's patron saint, San Fermin.

The first of eight bull runs is scheduled for Wednesday.

LavenderRott
July 5th, 2004, 06:30 PM
Hey Luba, we get to have our own PETA arguement right here!!!

Spoiled
July 5th, 2004, 06:41 PM
Wow, thats cruel.

heidiho
July 5th, 2004, 06:44 PM
That is pretty cruel,dont understand how people can do what they do to animals....

Luba
July 5th, 2004, 07:05 PM
Giggles, yeah LavR....

Uh well PETA I wish I could make up a little jingle about them.

Many PETA members are meaninful people Heidi but the organization is a big scam IMHO.

glasslass
July 5th, 2004, 07:06 PM
They never let the bulls win! :mad:

That kind of protest takes the passion of youth I'm afraid! :D

LavenderRott
July 5th, 2004, 07:08 PM
I am a bit curious as to what they hoped to accomplish by running around naked. When I think of the bull runs in Spain or bull fighting in general, I don't usually connect it with half naked women.

chico2
July 6th, 2004, 08:29 AM
Well,it will give an interesting show for one :D
I'm not getting into any arguments here,but bull-fighting has long been a horrid event for me and in this day and age,it should not be happening :mad:
I've never seen one and don't wish to,but any"sport"or"culture-event"involving doomed,tortured animals is a shame on the participants,any kind of interruption is welcomed by me,be it Peta or anyone else.

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 08:47 AM
Well,it will give an interesting show for one :D
I'm not getting into any arguments here,but bull-fighting has long been a horrid event for me and in this day and age,it should not be happening :mad:
I've never seen one and don't wish to,but any"sport"or"culture-event"involving doomed,tortured animals is a shame on the participants,any kind of interruption is welcomed by me,be it Peta or anyone else.

Very true Chico!!! I completely agree. The difficult thing to comprehend is the fact that this is apart of some cultures. I just don't understand how people can justify actions like this! Running of the bull, bull fighting (when the stab swords into a bull), there's TONS of cruel and unusual past times in many countries. :(
I for one have a VERY difficult time "accepting" hog hunting using pitbulls. Using the poor dogs to hunting down the hogs (and as LR pointed out sometimes they are placed in a fenced off location with idiots standing around watching the pit bull fight the hog!!) And this is still done today in the US!!! :mad: :eek:
I have brought this up before, and I'm sorry if people feel that I'm repeating... I just find all this disgusting and heartless.

LavenderRott
July 6th, 2004, 09:05 AM
While I agree with you as far as all this bull stuff, I have to wonder what PETA thinks it is doing running around naked. What to they hope to accomplish, other then getting their pictures in the local papers and worldwide headlines.

While I think that the bull fights and the running of the bulls is barbaric, in Spain, they do not think that. And quite frankly, we need to clean up our own little corner of the world before we start telling people how to behave in theirs. No wonder other people think that Americans are arrogant. We have quite the little animal rights/welfare mess over here, yet we insist on mucking around in everyone elses.

glasslass
July 6th, 2004, 09:24 AM
Another little "entertainment" around here is cockfighting. We have a lot of seasonal agricultural workers here from Mexico and I guess it's big there. It is really viscious. It's not legal here, but the authorities have a really tough time trying to stop it. You hear of raid quite often. Of course it's the $$$ (betting) that keeps it going. :mad:

glasslass
July 6th, 2004, 09:39 AM
I couldn't resist adding this quote for you, LavR. I know you'll appreciate it. :D

"America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room. Every time it wags its tail, it knocks over a chair."

A.J. (Arnold Joseph) Toynbee (18891975), British historian

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 10:21 AM
Well running around naked got them on cnn,and as for getting involved in other countries problems,we get involved with every other problem why not animal cruelty..

Lucky Rescue
July 6th, 2004, 10:54 AM
I may not be keeping up with PETA's doings, but are they protesting and demanding action be taken against dogfighters? This felonious and barbarbic activity is thriving in North America, particularly in the US - right in Ms.Newkirk's backyard, so to speak!

PETA doesn't really need to go to Spain to fight cruelty, does it?

The horrific cruelty and abuse of dogfighting is widespread and much worse than bullfighting, but the only thing I've heard Ingrid Newkirk advocate is the elimination of pit bulls. Maybe she should suggest bulls be eliminated too? That would take care of the bullfighting problem.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 10:59 AM
We also dont need to feed third world countries but we do,and no one complains about that,bull fighting is sooo cruel if they want to go there and protest naked so be it...........................

mastifflover
July 6th, 2004, 11:04 AM
You are so right why don't we clean up the messes in our own countries, before we start telling people what to do in there own countries. Mind you the U.S. is famous for sticking their noses in everyone elses business and not dealing with their own problems. Wake up PETA you have a country who have dog fights, cock fights, backyard breeders, puppymills and more. Stay home and clean up there first.

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 11:07 AM
We also dont need to feed third world countries but we do,and no one complains about that,bull fighting is sooo cruel if they want to go there and protest naked so be it...........................

That is a COMPLETELY different issue!!! IMHO. I do believe that when you have war morgels that are with holding food and forcing starvation upon millions of people - Somalia - that other countries should step in... BUT when you have a country that is lead under a dictator and they are somewhat content with the situation, I don't feel that the leader of another coutry has the right to do in and DICTATE democracy. (Hitler excluded)

Animals rights should be handled FIRST within your own country before trying to change other cultures because you view it cruel and heartless.
It's up to North America to deal with our own issue before enforcing what we feel is "right" on other countries when we have the same crap (to different degrees) going on in our own backyards.

They probably think that us North Americans are rude and disgusting for holding our animals on such a high pedistal (sp). You don't see them coming here to teach us how to treat our animals.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 11:12 AM
I dont see it that way,but that is what is so great about america,we can each have our own opinions....We also have thousands of starving people here,lets feed them first...........

Luba
July 6th, 2004, 11:43 AM
PETA has members world wide so the members that may have been involved in this could have actually been from Spain. Having said that, I'm sure the directtive came from the U.S senior management though ;)

I can't stand bull fighting, cock fighting, dog fighting....any kind of fighting.

But as LR states they're so keen on targeting the things that get them noticed that they neglect the issues that probably got them started in the first place.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 11:47 AM
Ok Luba that was a good point....

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 11:56 AM
I dont see it that way,but that is what is so great about america,we can each have our own opinions....We also have thousands of starving people here,lets feed them first...........

We here in Canada also have a freedom of speech, as you would like to call it, though that does not really relate to the issue...granted there are thousands of starving people in North America. I did not agree that we should fix their problems first. I said that when in extreme cases, as the one I mentioned, we should step in and help. AND the other point that I made was that we should clean up the mess in our own backyards BEFORE telling others to do so.

You're saying that you agree with letting other people suffer and die at the hands of others in 3rd world countries because it doesn't affect us?
These animals that are beaten and mamed daily - in Europe are in a country that is much better well off than many others, they are not considered 3rd world. They have rights and privlages just like ourselves, they choose to treat their animals that way because it is history, it's part of their livelihoods, before we go tell them that spearing a bull infront of thousands of onlookers. We should step back and see the people right here that are fighting pit bulls to the death, throwing battery acid on these dogs to make them tougher, leaving them outdoors on treadmills to increase their endurance (with weights around their necks) Beating them with baseball bats - to make them tougher. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE!! :(

Feeding people is another issue all on it's own and also a very intense topic.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 12:10 PM
Alrighty then,point taken,i still see nothing wrong with trying to stop it,yes there are thousands of problems here with animal cruelty i know that.And before this gets into an ugly battle i am gonna drop it, i am not gonna go back and forth on this because we stated our beliefs and dont agree...

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 12:17 PM
We're not getting into an ugly battle Heidi!! :D I think we're pretty much on the same page.. I think :confused: We agree with the animal thing, I think... that we should solve our own problems first...

But the people thing, I'm confused. You don't think that we should feed/sponsor/help 3rd world countried at all.. that's what you're saying right? Because there are people in the US that are starving....

I'm just asking because I don't know if I completely understood your post, that's all... :confused: :confused:

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 12:26 PM
Well if you want the truth i think the first thing we should do for other countries besides feeding them,is to send them birth control...That is a hard question,yeah we should feed them,but also give them some means to help themselves...The animal thing i am all for anything that helps fight animal cruelty here or anywhere every little bit helps/..

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 12:29 PM
Well if you want the truth i think the first thing we should do for other countries besides feeding them,is to send them birth control...That is a hard question,yeah we should feed them,but also give them some means to help themselves...The animal thing i am all for anything that helps fight animal cruelty here or anywhere every little bit helps/..

Interesting point. I agree. But with the sponsoring of childern in 3rd world countries it doesn't just provide them with food, but clothing, an education, and a glimpse of the lifestyles that we take for granted. They too deserve a chance at life, just like the animals.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 12:48 PM
You are right,they do deserve a chance,i just have more sympathy for animals.Maybe if i had kids i would feel something i dont right now,but i dont and my parents always instilled in us a love for animals that i feel strongly about today...I just feel they are humans and should learn to help themselves animals do nothing but love you and for people to do what they do to them is heinous and anyone that does something that draws attention to it has my vote...

Luba
July 6th, 2004, 12:49 PM
If I could quote Dean Martin ;)

'Everybody loves somebody sometime!' ;)

mastifflover
July 6th, 2004, 01:11 PM
You are right,they do deserve a chance,i just have more sympathy for animals.Maybe if i had kids i would feel something i dont right now,but i dont and my parents always instilled in us a love for animals that i feel strongly about today...I just feel they are humans and should learn to help themselves animals do nothing but love you and for people to do what they do to them is heinous and anyone that does something that draws attention to it has my vote...
Well I have to agree with Heidiho on this one, I also have more sympathy for animals then kids they can do nothing about there situation. What do your pets ask of you just to provide the necessaties (sp)of life and love them and they will love you unconditionally. I do like some of the things that PETA does but I don't have to like the way they go about getting there point across. I still think that we need to deal with the problems in our own backyards. Look at the bright side are animal welfare is much better than south of the border. Not that are standards are acceptable either.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 01:20 PM
I do,they are at are mercy,so loyal,people beat them and they still go to that person for love....For all they give us,we need to do what we can for them.I watched discovery channel one day,it was about ww 2 and it was a story on the dogs that were out there,they interviewed guys that were still alive and had an gsd out there with them when they were fighting,these guys were in tears,it is something to see an old man break down about his dog,and do you know the government left the dogs there because something like they were considered a weapon and could not bring them back to us.......ddoes anyone know what i am talking about>???? It was heartbreaking

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 01:35 PM
Well I have to agree with Heidiho on this one, I also have more sympathy for animals then kids they can do nothing about there situation. What do your pets ask of you just to provide the necessaties (sp)of life and love them and they will love you unconditionally.

Hold on, I NEVER said that I didn't agree with Heidi!!! I also have more sympathy for the animals...we're not understanding each other here!!!! The only thing that I didn't agree with was that we should not help people too!!! I think my post was too long or confusing or something, you guys got me ALL wrong!! :eek: BUT the people in 3rd worlds deserve help too!

Mastifflover, you're saying the children of 3rd world countries can do something about their situations? Essentially, you're saying that it's their own faults?!? Just asking. :p

glasslass
July 6th, 2004, 01:37 PM
This is a hot topic and, realistically, one that experts have been unable to solve. The fact remains that we need to be aware that there are people who really have absolutely no control over their lives who are barely surviving from day to day. It's nice to think people have choices, but they don't. Everybody, animal and human. should have the right to exist without starvation and pain. They should have safe water and shelter from the extremes of climate. Parents shouldn't have to deny one child food because they are too sick to survive in order to give it to another in an attempt to enable that one to survive. We are fortunate to be able to live a comfortable life. Even from a purely selfish point of view, if we don't help, do you really think the problems will not eventually spill across borders and encompass us all?

Lucky Rescue
July 6th, 2004, 01:39 PM
Children and animals are equally innocent and defenseless victims and anyone who abuses either should be killed, because they are toxic waste and not fit to live.

glasslass
July 6th, 2004, 01:42 PM
LR, I love the ability you have to sum it up in so few words!

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 01:44 PM
short and to the point, that's what I love about you! LMAO, well.. and you're gorgeous puppy ;)

mastifflover
July 6th, 2004, 02:10 PM
Mastifflover, you're saying the children of 3rd world countries can do something about their situations? Essentially, you're saying that it's their own faults?!? Just asking.
I am not saying that but we do have children in our own country living on the streets and starving with no one to turn to. I really believe we need to clean up our mess before we can help others to clean up theirs. Yes wouldn't it be great if we lived in a perfect world but we don't. Some countries don't want our help thanks to the likes of idiots like G. W. Bush who thinks that the world could not exist without the U.S. and alot of other countries abhor his disrespect of there cultures and his attitude that everyone wants to be american. Unfortunately in the big picture we seem to get clumped in with the U.S. Personally I don't want to be associated with the idiot in the White House, this is nothing against the american people just your president. I also think that alot of these countries need to accept some responsibility for there situations. Before you jump all over me for that comment I think that some of these countries are just corrupt and if you have money and power things are great otherwise they are living in horrendous conditions by no fault of there own.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 02:41 PM
My problem is people keep having kids that cant afford them,t world countries they need to also stop having kids,and about the problem rolling over here,yeah right,obesity is at epidemic proportions in the us,no food problem here....

Iggette
July 6th, 2004, 03:31 PM
I have seen the bull run on a few occassions (On film) and personally I cheered for the Bull and laughed when a runner got hurt (not my normal reaction believe me) just couldn't help it The damn runner asked for it IMHO :mad:

glasslass
July 6th, 2004, 03:33 PM
I'm only saying history repeats itself. When people have nothing to lose and they have to fight to survive, they will start "taking" from those that have it. It's a very basic, primitive concept. You're not going to go after those who have nothing. You're going to feel justified in taking what you need from where its available. Any animal will fight when it's backed into a corner and survival is at stake. If your family was emaciated and dying, what would you do?

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 03:39 PM
I say each country take care of your own,I do think the us helps out alot of countries and then when it is something people dont agree with,we are so bad...We do alot for other countries,when we should be taken care of stuff here...The us gets a bad rap,but jeez we sure do help alot of people..P.S. Dont care for Bush either......................

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 03:45 PM
I say each country take care of your own,I do think the us helps out alot of countries and then when it is something people dont agree with,we are so bad...We do alot for other countries,when we should be taken care of stuff here...The us gets a bad rap,but jeez we sure do help alot of people..P.S. Dont care for Bush either......................

I don't think it's the bad rep from helping people. I think it's from enforcing US beliefs on others. I think it's for "bullying" other coutries ino being their friends. I believe that is how many view the US.

A good quote (probably don't have it right, but...): for every 10 good acts, it only takes one bad act to ruin it. It goes something like that... :p

glasslass
July 6th, 2004, 03:48 PM
Yeah, it's amazing isn't it when you try to help with all good intention. Granted, I know that some help with alterior motives, like establishing business interests, but that's another thread sometime. Best way to lose a friend is to loan them money. They end up resenting you when they have problems paying it back. Best thing is to give it outright if you want to preserve the friendship. :)

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 03:51 PM
That is true about the bullying in...And as far as this whole iraq thing TIME TO GET OUT.........................................How many more have to die.......................Just had to say that about Iraq.........................

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 03:53 PM
That's another thread for another time honey!!! Let's not go there.
:D

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 03:54 PM
hee!!! hee!!! TRUE TRUE......... :) :)

chico2
July 6th, 2004, 04:19 PM
To conclude this debate :p We are all very lucky to live in a country where food is readily available,where noone has to watch their babies die of starvation,as in Somalia and other 3rd world countries.
I thank my lucky star I was born on the right side of the world and we owe it to 3rd world countries to help out.
It's not only the US who is helping,every rich country in the world has to do their share,I am not sure but I think it's part of NATO.But the US makes the loudest noise :D
Now,what I really resent is CEO's in this country making 10 million dollars/year,while some workers slave away for $7/hour.

Missy
July 6th, 2004, 04:22 PM
Well, IMHO the poverty in North America is not really comparable to that experienced in many parts of the world. The difference is that the United States (and Canada for that matter) have social services for people in need that is not available for people, say in Africa. We have subsidized health care, housing, welfare, unemployment insurance, etc. (not saying it's perfect but at least it's something) that people in developing nations do not have. They really lack any social networks to protect them. I also agree with sammiec, part of the problem is that the foreign policy in the U.S often seeks to enforce their cultural beliefs and often come off as 'bullying'.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 04:23 PM
I do believe the right thing is to help out,but you do have to try and help yourself also,that goes back to stop having children......................And yes i am soooo happy to be living in the u s a........................You are right about that......

Missy
July 6th, 2004, 04:24 PM
Amen Chico, what really gets me is when corporations exploit the poverty of these people...setting up factories in their countries and paying them $1/day making the argument that it is consistent with the daily wage. Such as Nike who then turns around and sells the product for $90.

sammiec
July 6th, 2004, 04:24 PM
Now,what I really resent is CEO's in this country making 10 million dollars/year,while some workers slave away for $7/hour.

wonderful work!! I just wanted to add this:

And "professional" sports player that bring home ridiculous amounts of money, Oprah, Bill Gates, Aaron Spelling (LOL) They are all worth billions - what can they possibly do with all that money is their lifetime. Some can spread the wealth with their children I guess, but there's enough for like 6 generations of their own family and the money's still poring in!!! Send some to other countries that would actually be greatful for that money and help people starving and suffering. I'm sure they would pray for the same if the tables were turned! :(

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 04:28 PM
God i know,these actors make an insane amount of money,that is crazy...

mastifflover
July 6th, 2004, 05:52 PM
I don't think you can include Oprah and Bill Gates in that since they do give millions to charities and Oprah is building a school in Africa and numerous other things she does with her money. She does give back,so does Gates but they do deserve recognition for it since so many others in there income bracket don't.

heidiho
July 6th, 2004, 05:54 PM
I saw that oprah show when she went there,yeah she does do alot and i have read about all the millions gates donates...........

chico2
July 6th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Mastifflover,You are right,many times money from charitable organizations ended up in the hands of ruthless dictators,to build armys to destroy the very people we want to help.
Fortunately today,most oranizations follow their money and make sure it ends up helping.
I have great admiration for DWB,Doctors without borders,they do incredible work,in horrific conditions and with little medicin,they are heroes in my eyes and they come from all of the world.
I just heard on the news,this year 3 million people will die from AIDS half of them children and it could be so easily prevented,most of them are in Africa.
Oprah and Bill Gates do charitable work,most of it tax deductable,it looks good on them,but still all of them could do more....

glasslass
July 6th, 2004, 09:40 PM
Just have to mention that Bill Gates does give more than any other philanthropist, however, he's also benefitting. With all the computer equipment and software he's donated to colleges, students are imprinted with the Microsoft technology which they'll go on to buy and use in years to come. :o

trescanis
July 7th, 2004, 03:49 AM
Whoa! This thread went from naked people http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigsfly/smileys/moon.gifto Oprah http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigsfly/smileys/afro2.gifto Bill Gates. http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigsfly/smileys/cool2.gif

It began with killing dogs for food. Nasty stuff.

The sale and killing of it (IT is ANY Animal) on the streets of "anywhere". Yup, that's sick, BUT the wholesale breeding and slaughtering and the way the animals live is what you should be focusing on. I guess I'm saying, if you want to complain, if you eat ANY animal you have no right to be upset about another's culture. Shut up or put up.

sammiec
July 7th, 2004, 07:15 AM
I know that they do help out, but what I meant was that Bill and Oprah both are worth BILLIONS, what can they possibly do with that money! I would give like 100 million away - you'd never miss it. Building a school house looks good on her, but it costs her pennies...

chico2
July 7th, 2004, 07:29 AM
Yes Sammiec,together with her photo-ops,handing out toys to poor little kids,makes her somewhat of an angel :rolleyes:
But then again,one school opening is better than no school,100 kids fed,is 100 less kids dying of starvation,even though it's a drop in a bucket.
All these billionaires should get together and really do something,get medicin,get water irrigation and wells,help the people help themselves,all they need is a start.....
But there are millions and millions of people needing help...
I remember when I was a kid(a few yrs ago :D )my mother used to say"Remember all the starving children in the world!!"when I would not finish my food.I would answer"I'll mail them my dinner!" :D

glasslass
July 7th, 2004, 09:31 AM
I'm just sitting here thinking . . :rolleyes: . . not necessarily deep thinking . . but
. . All these pet food companies that produce products for our pets that contain all the nutrition they need . . .
. . . . why can't they produce something for people. I know that sounds demeaning, but when it comes to starvation, wouldn't something like that be wonderful that was easy to transport and could supply all the nutrients until other issues could be addressed to help them? :rolleyes:

melanie
July 7th, 2004, 05:39 PM
yay go PETA. excellent to see people standing up against what they feel is important, may not be such a high priority for others but is for those individuals and i love people standing up for what they believe, not enough of that goes on these days.
other countires problems, well clean up your own backyard before you start on others, BUT having said that i also believe in thinking globally and acting locally. just because someone is on the other side of the world does not mean they are any different to me, i was just born in the right country, but that could have been different for all of us and we need to remember that, also not everyone has good agricultural lands, good water or soils etc etc. the list goes on, we must always remember how kind fate has been to us all.

quote 'Well if you want the truth i think the first thing we should do for other countries besides feeding them,is to send them birth control..'.

the problems of such countires are very indepth and often based on a social system totally opposite to ours, i think you should consider this when judging the actions of others and especially the woman of those countries, walk a mile in their shoes (probably dont have any) and all that.
and as far as protesting naked, yahoooo love naked people. a great way to get attention, doesnt matter what sort, as long as you get it. i have protested naked in the past, in 2002 i sat with 1500 other naked woman(only woman) on a hill over looking the town of Byron Bay, our bodies formed the words NO WAR. it was just fantastic, beautiful, and got all the media coverage needed, our message got across, the woman of the area did not want war. simple. it can be a very effective means of protest, as far as im concerned what ever works getting your voice out there, do it.

heidiho
July 7th, 2004, 05:46 PM
I just believe same goes here in the usa,stop popping out all these kids you cannot feed,or clothe...Then collect welfare from people like me who works hard,no kids,and couldnt get help if i ever wanted it because i dont have 7 kids............................

glasslass
July 7th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Heidiho, these women don't have access to birth control. Nor do they have any education concerning it. It's a different world than we live in. It hasn't been that long that women here have had birth control information. My own grandmother had a child every year and then died after having twins. Read about Margaret Sanger who pioneered in the belief women should have more options than a child every year, and most likely an early death, or an illegal abortion. Doctors were actually jailed and lost their license if they helped women by giving birth control information. We're indeed fortunate where and when we were born. :)

heidiho
July 7th, 2004, 06:42 PM
I know that,what i am saying is all this food and supplies we give them,box up some bc and educate them or something,all these starving kids,having more does not help.........Send a doctor i dont know fix them.Well i know we cant do that,but popping out kid after kid is not the answer,,,,,,,,,,,,

glasslass
July 7th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Suddenly . . . this sounds like "rescue"! Yes! Let's go in there and spay & neuter! LMAO! I think this thread is back where it should be! :D :D :D

Missy
July 7th, 2004, 07:08 PM
First of all, I think you're judging a society without really understanding their culture or their values. It's not as simple as providing them with condoms or birth control pills or "sending a doctor".

Glasslass is making some really good points but I would like to add that although these women "keep popping out kids", diseases and famines etc. wipe out many of their children. So, for every six children a family may have, only two may actually ever reach adulthood. Infacnt mortality is exceptionally high.

Also, these children are considered not only a social, but also an economic necessity. They help contribute to the survival of the family and hence are needed. The problem is not the birth rate, it is really much more complex than that.