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Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 08:30 AM
I have 2 cats. 1 is about 3yrs old and 1 is about 1yr and a half. The younger one Loki recently got sick for about a day, he was throwing up and other than that fine. About 2 days later I noticed he had a small red spot (similar looking to blood) inside the bottom right hand side of his left eye. I just figured that the two cats must have gotten a little ruff while they were playing, but a few days later the spot had started migrating upwards on his eye and breaking off into spots so that it looked like he had about 6-8 bloodspots in one eye. (they also kinda turned a little brownish) About 2 days after that I noticed that eye started getting cloudy and I saw a 1 red spot in his other eye, so I took him to the vet who checked him out he had a slight temp, but it's summer (the vet said). He did some thing with a black light and some dye to see if he had cuts on his eye but there were none and said he didnt know what it was. He gave us some antibiotic for him to take oraly and eyedrops that irritate his eyes really bad and looks like gel. After about a week of this torture for him he hides now, he doesnt seem to be in pain other than the gooy eye stuff I have to give him 2 times a day. It is not hard to get him to cuddle or purr or anything but i feel like the devil when I have to put that stuff in his eyes and it doesnt seem to be getting any better. I have scoured the internet looking for what it could possibly be but nothing has pictures and nothing described either makes sence or applys. So please help my little kitty. I dont know what else to do.

The other cat is fine still mean as ever but, not sick no eye discharge.


Also I have been having to treat both for fleas recently but that was after the first vet visit.

katherine93
June 3rd, 2008, 08:40 AM
It could just be a popped blood vessel.. I dont know much about it, but you couold PM dr.lee and Im sure he can help..


BTW- Welcome to pets.ca! you will meet alot of great animal lovers here!! Sorry we had to meet under these circumstances!

Love4himies
June 3rd, 2008, 08:40 AM
I don't have any advice, sorry, but did find this link.

http://www.animaleyecare.net/diseases/conjunctivitis.htm

Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 08:57 AM
It could just be a popped blood vessel.. I dont know much about it, but you couold PM dr.lee and Im sure he can help..


BTW- Welcome to pets.ca! you will meet alot of great animal lovers here!! Sorry we had to meet under these circumstances!

I thought that at first but then it started getting kinda cloudy and it wen to the other eye... now it seems like you can't even make out he lines of the (forgive my technical terms) dark part of the eye and the white part of the eye, oh and I also noticed that the second eye lid on the inside shows every so often when I try to look at his eyes. (but that may be him trying to keep me from putting gel (evilness) in his eyes.)

I don't have any advice, sorry, but did find this link.

http://www.animaleyecare.net/diseases/conjunctivitis.htm

I had actually thought about that but it is acutally in his eye kinda looks like its floating in there.

Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 09:01 AM
It could just be a popped blood vessel.. I dont know much about it, but you couold PM dr.lee and Im sure he can help..


BTW- Welcome to pets.ca! you will meet alot of great animal lovers here!! Sorry we had to meet under these circumstances!

I thought that at first but then it started getting kinda cloudy and it wen to the other eye... now it seems like you can't even make out he lines of the (forgive my technical terms) dark part of the eye and the white part of the eye, oh and I also noticed that the second eye lid on the inside shows every so often when I try to look at his eyes. (but that may be him trying to keep me from putting gel (evilness) in his eyes.)

I don't have any advice, sorry, but did find this link.

http://www.animaleyecare.net/diseases/conjunctivitis.htm

I had actually thought about that but it is acutally in his eye kinda looks like its floating in there.

katherine93
June 3rd, 2008, 09:05 AM
Maybe hes getting cataracts or glaucoma or something.than again, i suppose your vet would have picked that up huh. may i suggest getting a second opinion, Alot of times 1 vet will overlook something that another will pick up!

Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 09:27 AM
Maybe hes getting cataracts or glaucoma or something.than again, i suppose your vet would have picked that up huh. may i suggest getting a second opinion, Alot of times 1 vet will overlook something that another will pick up!

I did ask about that and he said it would only be in the black part of the eye not the whole thing. I think you may be right about a second opinion seems like I paid a guy for nothing. But on the brighter side I actually got him to open his eyes in the light long enough for me to recheck and it doesnt look as bad as I thought now it just looks like his eyes are kinda in a haze... glazed over. And there are 3-4 brownish red spots near the bottom of the eyes. :sad: I hope he is ok.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that the vet told me to watch his poop to see if anything looked strange but his poop is normal :yuck:

Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 10:10 AM
About the time this all started my fiance had proposed and bought me roses... I think there was baby's breath in them and I do remeber the cats knocking it over a few times... I have found lists of toxic plants to cats that include baby's breath or Gypsophilia but can't seem to find any symptoms or what not for that particular plant. In any case they were thrown out, would the symptoms still be there? Is this eye thing anything like poisening?

katherine93
June 3rd, 2008, 10:15 AM
Im not entirly sure, because stuff like that effects cats in different ways. I think its only harmful if they eat it ?

Im thinking your vet would have picked this up, but could he have had a mild stroke, With the glazed eyes and the bloode vessels showing, it kindof sounds like it could have been?

Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 10:33 AM
not that I know of and i keep pretty good tabs on my cats when I am home... but would it still be getting worse or does it mean he is having more sezures or strokes? he is only 1yr and a half :confused::sad:

katherine93
June 3rd, 2008, 10:42 AM
He may be suffering from a very mild Haemorrhagic stroke (or bleeding within the brain) caused by a burst blood vessel.
The signs of strokes in dogs and cats are often very different from those seen in man. In human stroke victims a drooping face or total paralysis on one side of the body are common signs but these are rarely associated with stroke in dogs and cats. More common signs include head tilt or turn, loss of balance, loss of vision, circling and falling. These signs are not specific for stroke and can be seen associated with other brain disease.Maybe thats why his eyes are clouding over! I suggest calling your vet and ask if its a possibility!

katherine93
June 3rd, 2008, 03:05 PM
I have beeen checking for updates all day! Haha Can't wait to hear if hes getting better! :fingerscr

Dr Lee
June 3rd, 2008, 05:06 PM
Veleda,

Eyes can be very hard to describe! So much anatomy in a small area. Is there a way that you could take a picture or perhaps better - draw a picture of where the blood spots are? I also have a picture here that may aid in description.

It is very important to know where those spots are. It sounds like the eye has gotten worse or at the least is not improving. If your regular veterinarian is at a loss, I would recommend that you ask him to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist. Eyes are not something to wait on. They can obtain irreversible damage in a short period of time. :pawprint:

Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 05:42 PM
I called to the vet to get an apointment earlyest they can get me in is tomorrow. I had tried to take pictures before but they dont seem to show up well in pictures I can post them anyways though... the question is how

Dr Lee
June 3rd, 2008, 05:49 PM
when you reply to a thread there is a button below that says manage attachments - press that and upload photos. Does the picture help? Can you tell me where the blood is? Do you know if there is an ophthalmologist in your area?:pawprint:

Veleda
June 3rd, 2008, 06:13 PM
oh... It says I cannot post attachments on the site... I will link to them or try to.

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I dont think we have an optomitrist in the area :cry:

Dr Lee
June 3rd, 2008, 06:32 PM
Thanks for the drawing and picture. The red dots on the picture I am assuming are the blood spots and the black dots are the cloudy swelling? I also assume the cloudiness is on the surface and not inside the eye where the colored part of your eye is (the iris). I hope these are correct. If so, then the blood spots on the sclera (white part of the eye) likely are consistent with ruptured blood vessles. Scleral hemorhage (bleeding on the white part of the eye) is commonly caused by trauma. One ruptured the blood will migrate and turn brownish due to gravity, oxidation and the body trying to resorb the blood. Other causes of scleral hemorrhage can be from anything that impairs the body's ability to coagulate (rodenticide poisoning, aspirin, platelet disease, etc...). Other primary ocular diseases are also possible.

The cloudiness I am assuming is on the clear surface of the eye (cornea). When the corneal epithlelium (surface of the clear part of the eye) will become cloudy when there is edema (or swelling). This can be secondary to inflammation such as trauma, bacterial infections or viral infections. While cats commonly get viral diseases of the eye, it is more common that such infections will affect both eyes.

Trauma with secondary bacterial infection would be high on my list but please read this with the understanding that interpretation of ocular disease is minimal to none without every seeing the patient!

If the antibiotic ointment is causing irritation then perhaps ask for a antibiotic drop. It has been my experience that young patients often have some irritation with the ointment. Also make sure that you are not administering this ointment by putting it on your finger first. This is a common mistake and ends up putting a lot of bacteria and oils onto the eye along with the antibiotics!

With the fluoroscene dye test negative, you may also want to ask your veterinarian if he thinks that a combination steroid and antibiotic drop may be beneficial. The steroid (hydrocortisone or dexamethasone for example) can help reduce the inflammation (and thus the cloudiness) and reduce pain and irritation.

I hope this helps, again without seeing the pet it is difficult. My recommendation for a veterinary ophthalmologist is still the best recommendation I have for you. :pawprint:

Veleda
June 5th, 2008, 12:28 AM
Well Dr. Lee your discription is exactly what it looks like and, I think it may be a poisening thing that may have happend. The vet did give me some drops over the gel that I couldn't get in his eyes, and he is taking some kinda orange liquid with a syringe thingy by mouth. (It doesnt have a name of the medicine on the box and it has to be refrigerated) It makes him a little sleepy I have noticed but his attitude seems ok, eyes don't get nearly as bloodshot as with the gel stuff I was putting in his eyes either. Hopefully he is on his way to recovery...

on a completely seperate note... the fleas are still present and I flea sprayed them about a week ago, I was wondering since he is medicated if I should flea bathe him or not. I am trying a flea coller (as much as I hate them) hoping that it will keep them off but it doesn't seem to be working.

Love4himies
June 5th, 2008, 07:20 AM
I hope the drops you are giving your kitty is going to help :fingerscr.

It has been my experience that Revolution or Advantage drops purchased from your vet are the best at contoling fleas. I haven't had much luck with just bathing, flea collars or spray. Plus the spay the cats can lick (would you give your child pesticide and allow him/her to eat it?).

Please do not purchase any drops from the store as they can be dangerous for your cat. It is well worth the money to buy from your vet office, that way you know you are getting the correct product!

http://www.hartzvictims.org/

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080408060117AAqjZ8I&show=7

Also, dog drops can be poisonous to cats.

Jim Hall
June 5th, 2008, 09:19 AM
ahh haa get frontline or advantage for the fleas you put it betwwwen the shoulders on her back make sure you clean all her bedding and where she hangs out the fronline is in three apllications I find id works great
is this an outdoor in door kitty?

Veleda
June 7th, 2008, 09:16 AM
He is indoors.

But on a more serious note, Now his eyelids are swelling up and it looks like he is crying dried blood. :cry: I am running him to the vet this morning but he seems pretty content just to cuddle... still worries me so much

krdahmer
June 7th, 2008, 11:13 AM
:goodvibes: Best of luck at the vet!

Jim Hall
June 7th, 2008, 01:36 PM
good luck and make sure the vet pays attention and either does something or recommends an opthamolgist

growler~GateKeeper
June 8th, 2008, 02:38 AM
any update on Loki? :goodvibes: :fingerscr

Constance67
June 9th, 2008, 10:51 AM
I can't believe it! This description sounds exactly like my cats eyes and what I'm dealing with right now.

I don't want to hijack your thread, but I will be paying a lot of attention to your updates!!

rainbow
June 9th, 2008, 02:34 PM
I can't believe it! This description sounds exactly like my cats eyes and what I'm dealing with right now.

I don't want to hijack your thread, but I will be paying a lot of attention to your updates!!

I would take your cat to the vet rather than wait around for any updates. Good luck and please let us know the results. :fingerscr :goodvibes:



Veleda, how is your kitty doing? :fingerscr :goodvibes:

Constance67
June 9th, 2008, 04:14 PM
Yea, he's already been 3 times and they have no clue what's going on. Right now he's on his third bottle of antibiotics and they've added some eye drops to it. Before the drops he was on the ointment.

It's been since Friday that he's started the drops and more antibiotics. I think there's a bit of an improvement in the cloudiness of the eyes, but it's almost like he's going blind.

Veleda
June 10th, 2008, 08:47 AM
I am gonna take him to a differant vet now it seems like its getting worse and now his eyelids are swelling up so bad... I dont know what is going on, the only thing i can think of is it's allergies, but the vet doesnt know. :shrug: :sad:

Constance67
June 10th, 2008, 12:58 PM
I wish you the best of luck Valeda. It's so hard having a sick cat and even worse when they can't figure out what's wrong with him.

I'll be looking for an update, hopefully one with great news.

Love4himies
June 10th, 2008, 01:28 PM
Here is another link I found. Good luck, I hope you get some answers soon!

http://www.eyevet.info/uveitis.html

Not sure where you are, but this clinic is in Oakville, ON

Veleda
June 10th, 2008, 03:18 PM
ok, this vet is gonna do more tests, he said something about he thinks he has a systemic disease... no clue what that means. He berated me for using a flea coller, and interupted me when I tried to tell him the backstory of the eye problem. I am scared this vet is just about the money. :( He spent more time talking to a drug rep that came in than he did talking to me about my cat that for all i know may be dieing and that it's all my fault for not knowing what normal people dont know... I think people would take there pets to vets more often if it wasent for the attitude that we should already know this stuff. The other vet didn't know what the problem was how am I supposed to? He just kept going on about... "when did he start losing weight?" and i explained to him over and over that he has been skinny since we got him. I think he just doesnt belive me.

Constance67
June 10th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Hang in there Veleda, it's definitely not your fault. It sounds as though you did everything you could have to keep him safe and healthy. Sometimes things just happen that are beyond your control.

Even though that doctor had a bad attitude, I hope he finds what's going on with the little guy.

Veleda
June 12th, 2008, 10:55 AM
So, once we got to the vet he said that his blood count was WAY down like it was supposed to be 40 and it was 20. They did the test for feline lukemea and the other one but both were negative :thumbs up He said that he was anemic, and it just happend to be showing up in his eyes. gave us tetracylene and predgnazone(sp) and more eye drops. he said that it hopefully will get better... we are taking him back next tuesday. I hope the follow up doesnt cost as much as the first one :frustrated: But I love my kitty and at least we know what is wrong.

Love4himies
June 12th, 2008, 11:53 AM
Maybe with that extra info, Dr. Lee will be able to suggest something more.

He is such a good vet :lovestruck:.

Constance67
June 12th, 2008, 12:40 PM
Good luck to you Valdeda. I'm glad they at least found something to work with.

kim1412
June 12th, 2008, 10:44 PM
I've been following your struggles and am so happy for you that you have found someone that seems to know what they are doing.
I'll look forward to hearing more and am hoping your kitty gets better soon.
Kim

growler~GateKeeper
June 13th, 2008, 03:15 AM
Glad the FeLk and probably FIP tests were negative, good to hear this vet has some answers & treatments for you :goodvibes:

Veleda
October 8th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Long after update...

I wish I could say that all got better and Loki is a healthy kitty now... but the truth is a lot worse.
We took him in for check ups every 2 weeks and when we went in the vet noticed that he seemed to have "growths" in is stomach... he had gotten extreemly skinny even after giving him apitite stimulates. They did some tests and thought that he may have a tumor and that might be what was causeing everything so we schedualed a surgery. All of Loki's digestion system had tumors on or in it, He was put to sleep on the table. :sad: I was depressed for months I just figured I should update this so that anyone experiencing similar symptoms with their kitty will take this seriously. I wish they had caught it sooner, I miss my cuddly little loki-baby.
Veleda

aslan
October 8th, 2008, 09:29 PM
oh i'm so sorry to hear about your loss veleda..

:rip:Loki:candle:

growler~GateKeeper
October 8th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Veleda :grouphug: I'm so sorry you lost Loki :sad:

:rip: sweet :angel2: Loki run pain free at the Rainbow Bridge (http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html) baby :candle:

Tundra_Queen
October 9th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Veleda I am so very very sorry for your loss! ((HUGS)) That is so very sad.

Debbie

rainbow
October 9th, 2008, 04:18 AM
Veleda, I'm very sorry to hear about Loki. :sad: My deepest condolences to you for your loss. :grouphug: :candle:

Love4himies
October 9th, 2008, 07:51 AM
I am so sorry for your loss of Loki, you did everything you could possibly do. :grouphug:

:rip: Loki you are now running around pain free :candle:

hazelrunpack
October 9th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Oh, I'm so sorry for your loss, Veleda :grouphug: You did everything you could. Loki was well-loved and knew it. What better thing could you give him than your love?

:candle: Loki

Veleda
October 9th, 2008, 08:20 PM
Thank you guys, it still hurts that he is gone, but he must have been so miserable, he was still cudly even sick. And he loved to lay between me and my fiance in bed. Thanks again guys