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rebel24
July 1st, 2004, 05:31 PM
this will probally be remove hopefully not. there is a new message board for pits i am a moderator on everyone that loves pits check us out. we are just starting out so not alot of members yet hopefully ya'll check it out.

http://piitbullz.proboards23.com/index.cgi

Spoiled
July 1st, 2004, 06:53 PM
It looks like a good forum. Why do you think your post would be removed? :confused:

rebel24
July 1st, 2004, 07:00 PM
the way i figure some people may not like people promaoting other message boards. but hey i may be wrong and probally am.

Spoiled
July 1st, 2004, 10:22 PM
Oh well, the half decent people who run message boards won't mind, because their boards are good enough that people won't change unless there is trolling going on.

glasslass
July 2nd, 2004, 01:11 AM
Isn't the purpose of the board to pass on helpful info? :)

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 11:49 AM
It seems like an interesting boad.. different. The oldest person I found there was like 20. I really don't understand the purpose of the board, whether it's to promot the breed or just sharing pics.... I guess this might become more apparent when/ if there's more users.
Has anyone heard of nightmare kennels "we own the dogs that are in your nightmares" - that threw me off. I don't know much about it, but it don't sound as though it's about projecting a positive image for Pit Bulls.... :confused:

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 11:58 AM
:mad: :mad: :mad: All right!! I'm sorry REBEL, I don't know you that well. But when I see crap like this that your board is promoting... :mad: :mad:

http://www.freewebs.com/trueoutlawkennels/index.htm


(Hailey Jade) is a very game dog. Has been on two hog hunts and has been hit hard and she didn't run back with her tail tucked between her legs. She has the drive and sheer gut of most dogs twice her experience. She has some battle wounds but they were treated and healed into 'battle trophies'.

This makes me ABSOULTELY sick to my stomach.. Shame on you!!! True Outlaws is listed as a kennel on your site. Looks more like a BYB to me!!!

Lucky Rescue
July 2nd, 2004, 12:23 PM
Sammiec, as much as you and I might abhor it, many people do use, and have traditionally used pit bulls for hog hunting in various parts of the USA.

These are feral hogs, and not a species natural to the areas. Pit bulls are usually "catch dogs" who hold the hog until the hunter arrives to shoot it. This is of course, very dangerous for the dogs, as feral hogs are very formidable animals. I wouldn't personally risk my dog's life this way, but I've seen that people who do, usually take good care of the dogs if they are injured. NOT condoning it, but it's better than dogfighting!

What is absolutely despicable are the "canned hunts" where dogs are turned loose on PENNED hogs, while sadistic yahoos watch from a safe distance and get some sick thrills from this. :mad:

As for Outlaw being a BYB, I don't see any breeding going on there at all at the moment, and they DO rescue and adopt out pit bulls, and seem to be involved in weightpull.

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 12:37 PM
As for Outlaw being a BYB, I don't see any breeding going on there at all at the moment, and they DO rescue and adopt out pit bulls, and seem to be involved in weightpull.

I wasn't able to find the part about weightpulling. I guess I was kinda thrown off by the pictures of the dog chained in dirt backyards, and the fact that the board was set up by a 17 year old. What do I know.... I sure hope you're right Lucky!!! :(

Lucky Rescue
July 2nd, 2004, 01:10 PM
I hope so too.:( I also hope that dog is on that short chain for picture taking purposes only.

If you want to see an example of a truly appaling backyard breeder, go HERE (http://dominionpits.homestead.com/produced.html)

Mastiff-looking out-of-standard dogs being bred ONLY for "Big and Blue". No mention of health testing, or performance titles of any kind, and a ton of puppies on the ground all the time. UGH!!!!

In fact, the only thing mentioned MANY times is "Accepting deposits now".

Princesss04
July 2nd, 2004, 02:04 PM
What do you all mean when you say "weight pulling" ? I now you are prolly thinking man she is dumb but I really do not know!

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 02:10 PM
UNfortunately I don't find the one that you provided a link to any different for True Outlaw... The only difference is that they have not begun breeding as of yet. They have a 8 month old male - champion bred, don't think so. And then the female that they take out on hog hunting trips. It'a a matter of opinion I guess. I find it absolutely disgusting how people can be satified benefiting from these poor animals. If I were to breed pit bulls - AND THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!! I would at least make the area nice! Maybe some grass, a tree, a flower or two... but I guess that doesn't look mean enough, or "gamey" enough in pictures. Plus, if you're in it just for a buck, you're not concern about the pictures.

I have also found information about CELEBRITIES that have been fighting pit bulls!!! Earl Simmons (Rapper DMX) has been charged in 2002 with having 13 pit bulls on his property in very poor conditions. He was charged and plead guilty - only to animal cruelty charges. He only go 1 year PROBATION!!! Which he didn't even complete!!!

Lucky (and other Rescuers), I must say that you have a complete hearts of gold. I mean to love these animals so much and see this first hand everyday!!! I would absolutely LOVE to do what you guys do, help these poor, poor innocent animals... I would probably end up in jail more times then the people that actually do harm to these animals!!! Beating the crap out of those idiots!!! :eek:

I have asked about volunteering at the local shelter; they told me to my face that they only take teenagers. They only really get volunteers for dog walking. Whatever.

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 02:16 PM
What do you all mean when you say "weight pulling" ? I now you are prolly thinking man she is dumb but I really do not know!

Princess, it's not a dumb question!!! weight pulling can be a competitive sport (kinda like agility, or fly ball). It's an activity that dogs can really enjoy.

Here are some links:

http://www.leatherneckk9s.com/


http://alaskansaint.com/World%20Championship.htm

Princesss04
July 2nd, 2004, 02:30 PM
Oh okay thanks. I love the pit bull breed I think they are so pretty. In our neighborhood that we live in there was a man there with a pit bull on a leash and was walking it around. He was so pretty and sweet and the people that lived next to him called the town and said that a lot of people were going to move becuase they did not feel safe having their children in that neighborhood unless the man got rid of the dog. It was so sad and I was like the dog has never even actted like he was going to hurt someone. It made me so mad! :mad:

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 02:42 PM
Yeah it's pretty sad that people who really have no idea can be such an influence. I mean, how many of those people were willing to meet the dog before assuming that it would eat them. I am MUCH more hesitant to pet a little ankle bitter (no offense!! LOL) like a pomeranian(sp) or something like that before I would pet a larger dog. Mind you, I ask permission before I pet many strange dogs.

There was this saying that I read the other day - it was a famous quote or something like that. I think it was Mark Twain; he said that his dog was part golden and part pit bull, and that was great because fater it ripper off your leg, it would go get it for you. People suck.

rebel24
July 2nd, 2004, 02:55 PM
the guys on that site are really great guys. they do not fight their dogs or abuse tehm in any way. i see no problem with hog hunting most people that do it condition and train their dogs for that. as for the chains being short it was for pics. because they don't like sitting still long enough for it. thanks for at least taking a look and giving feed back. p.s. the 17 yr old ya'll were talkin about does not plan on breeding any time soon. we had a long talk about that and he saw reason not to do it any time soon.

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 03:03 PM
I find something very wrong with hog hunting. Maybe because we're from different parts, but I find putting an animal in situations like that is very dangerous and cruel. Is there licenced vets on hand if something was to happen to the dog?
The pit bull can be conditioned and trained in MUCH better ways - agility, obidence training, fly ball, and even weight pulling - just to name a few.
The 17 year old that has the pitties that he wants to breed, are they his parents dogs or his? He's making people be 18 years of age before they can purchase a dog, but he's not himself. I really hope that you knocked some common sense into that person when you had your lengthy conversation - maybe even told them the BENEFITS of spaying and neuturing their pets and keeing them safe instead of using them for their own benefit and entertainment. I am sorry if you find my comments harsh. I just feel very strongly for this issue and I don't think that a 17 year old has the full knowledge and information needed to breed dogs. I'm older then that and I sure as heck don't - and the thought never even crossed my mind to breed more dogs into this world to be abandoned, abused, neglected and miserable. Thanks but no thanks...

Lucky Rescue
July 2nd, 2004, 04:05 PM
I feel the same way about hunting - any hunting, but this is not going to stop, so the best we can hope for is that people who hunt hogs with pit bulls kill the hogs humanely and care properly for their dogs.

sammiec, if you want to help pit bulls, but are like me and cannot foster them, PITCREW RESCUE is always desperately in need of blankets, crates, food, leashes, collars, etc etc and of course cash.

Right now she has 18 pit bulls (Danny Boy on the front page is a mix) on her premises - all rescued from horrible abuse, starvation and/or certain death. She spays, neuters and nurses them all back to health both physically and emotionally.

This is truly a worthy cause!!:)

PITCREW RESCUE (http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/ON137.html)

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 04:18 PM
Thanks Lucky. I will look into that, it's not that far from me, maybe 1 1/2 hours. I actually have to go there (Tillsonburg) in a couple weeks. I'll give her a shout!!

deerclan
July 2nd, 2004, 06:46 PM
sammiec... was wondering if you know of weight pulling by mixed breeds and if there is any compititions.I think my Simon would love this.

DeerClan

Lucky Rescue
July 2nd, 2004, 08:25 PM
deerclan, mixed breeds may participate in weight pull. You can't start training your dog until he much older, and it's a very gradual thing so as not to damange tender joints and muscles.

You can contact a training school in your area to see if they know anything about this, or go to this link. It might be for the US only, but won't hurt to ask! Scroll down until you see "Weight Pull"

Weight pull (http://www.dog-play.com/sledding.html)

sammiec
July 2nd, 2004, 08:46 PM
Deerclan, thsi link provides information on trainging puppies for pulling. It looks pretty legitamate to me, but I would use discretion. We don't want Simon to get hurt :p It tells you what weights to train puppies with ie: 2L pop bottles, milk jug...
LR is right, you could contact a trainer in the area and they might be able to provide you with information about who to talk to etc.
http://www.pulldoggies.com/101.htm