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Giant Lipoma

dbg10
May 17th, 2008, 05:49 PM
I joined today for the first time and have two questions to ask that I will post separately. I have an 11 year old female English Springer Spaniel named Pepper, who I adopted 2+ years ago from a shelter. She is in my avatar. Unlike most shelter pets she was an owner surrender due to the fact he was going into a nursing home. When she arrived we found that she had lumps in several locations on her body that had been diagnosed as Lipomas. My vet agreed with this diagnosis and told me that they shouldn't cause a problem and they were common in some dogs.

One of the lipomas is behind her right shoulder and has grown very large. She has been examined by my vet on several occasions and each time we have discussed surgery. This particular lipoma has now grown to the size of a soccer ball and still appears to have no malignancy involved. My vet has had a lot of experience removing Lipomas but she is very reluctant to operate on Pepper because of the potential for bleeding post-op. She is afraid that with the size of this one, Pepper will bleed to death during surgery. The largest one that my vet has removed is about the size of a softball and she says she has never seen one that is as big as the one Pepper has.

Does anyone have any experience with a giant lipoma, what course of action was taken, how did your pet do after surgery. I did find one post here in the forum about a Giant Lipoma and the surgery, and if you refer to the pictures in that post, Pepper's is very similar. (I can't post URL's yet).

At the moment my vet is saying no to surgery but she is really on the fence about it. She has now decided that I need to bring Pepper in every 4 weeks to check it and knowing my vet the way I do after 17 years of caring for my pets, I think she will decide to operate (with my permission of course) after seeing Pepper a few more times. I don't want to lose Pepper, but this "lump" is getting way out of control and will impede her movement before too long, I expect.

Thanks for any information! :)

Dr Lee
May 17th, 2008, 06:24 PM
Welcome to the forum!

I believe that there was a post last year that was similar to this - somewhere on here.

The largest one I have removed was an 8 pound basketball sized lipoma. The dog was a golden retriever that was about 11 years old. The lipoma was so large it was 50% the thickness of her hind end. The owner decided on surgery because the poor dog kept falling over due to the weight. The dog did fantastic. I have not ever had problems with excess bleeding with lipomas. Even without the use of a laser, typically they can do very well. (the 8lb one was done without the use of a laser).

Lipomas are benign fatty tumors. When you look at them they are almost all fat with very little blood supply. In fact if during surgery, large blood supplies are found, then the concern of malignancy would be raised. The largest complication I have had with giant lipomas is closing the space that the lipoma once filled. It takes a lot of time, often removal of excess skin and for giant lipomas, the addition of penrose drains.

As with all major surgeries, platelet count, protein level and bleeding times should be done preoperatively.

You said the tumor was behind (caudal) to the shoulder? Not under the arm pit correct? Under the armpit is a much more difficult surgical area. If the mass is behind the shoulder where the ribs are - this is actually a fairly good surgical area. Post operative exercise restriction can help with minimizing post operative swelling and drainage.

To date, I have never had excess bleeding issues with giant lipoma removals. Of course every case is different. If your vet and you are concerned about the surgery, then perhaps consultation with a local surgical specialist may help. :pawprint:

dbg10
May 17th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Thanks so much for answering Dr Lee. I found that post you refer to and was very interested in your response to it - that is actually the reason I decided to finally join and ask about it.
The link to the other post you mentioned is:
http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=490965
and from the pics I see there the last picture at the bottom is almost identical to the position of the mass in January of this year and it now has dropped down so that the top of it is about 4 inches lower exposing a normal curve from her spine. It is growing quite rapidly now but my vet saw her yesterday and felt that it was still all lipoma.
If I was able to post some pics I would take them and post them but I think at present because I am new I can't post attachments. I will see about taking a few and posting them on my website with a link to them.
Unfortunately at the moment Pepper is suffering from an injury that occurred last Sunday when I fell on her and may not be too co-operative with pictures being taken. However, I will find a way to post some.
thanks again!!

Dr Lee
May 17th, 2008, 09:50 PM
dbg10,

If you would like you can also PM the pictures to me here or directly to my email address (I can give to you). Then I can look at them and also post them on here for you and everyone else to see. I cannot PM you - I wonder if that is the reason you are having problems loading pictures. Perhaps someone else that understands the computer stuff better than I can help out. I usually just click on the button 'manage attachments' just below this box and I am able to place pictures in. :pawprint:

dbg10
May 17th, 2008, 10:32 PM
Thank-you Dr Lee, unfortunately I haven't got an IM program active at the moment and it would take me longer to install and get it ready to use than posting them on my website. I posted them here:
Pepper (http://ca.geocities.com/gosling2124@rogers.com/Pepper/Pepper.html) and hope they are enough for you to see.

She was not at all co-operative because she is trying to avoid me when I am standing because of my fall on her and every time I went to take a picture she got up and walked away or just gave me dirty looks. She wouldn't stay standing long enough to take one of her standing but maybe I can get more later.

I think you can probably save the pictures I took to your hard drive so that you can study them.
Dodi
I really appreciate this, you have no idea how much!

thanks again :)

BTW I think the reason I can't post them by attachment is the restriction because I am new here. Maybe soon I will be able to use it after more posts.

Dr Lee
May 18th, 2008, 12:15 AM
Pictures show up nicely. That is indeed a large or 'giant' lipoma. Assuming that she is in otherwise good health, that should still be removable. With the concern of your veterinarian in mind, do you have a surgical specialist in your area?

dbg10
May 18th, 2008, 02:01 AM
Thank-you so much! I took some more pictures tonight when she was lying on her side. They show more of the location and size of the Lipoma and when I was trying to feel her armpit I found it difficult to get my hand between the mass and her arm. Usually when she is feeling fine she rolls on her back but right now she isn't doing that. If I remember correctly from the last time she was on her back (I wasn't looking for the location of the mass at the time) her arm appears to be beside the mass but it is hard to tell if it might originate in her armpit. However, it would have to be small because she walks normally even with the huge mass. I will add the pictures to my website tomorrow as it is late here and I am sure you have signed off for the night.

The Canadian Veterinary College is about 100 miles from me and I know there are surgeons closer because my previous dog had several surgeries of different kinds including one laser surgery, before she passed away at 14 1/2. My vet has offered to send Pepper for a surgical consult because I know she doesn't have a laser in her practice and this may be why she is apprehensive about the bleeding.

Thanks again I will upload the rest of the pictures tomorrow and would appreciate any feedback if you have time to review them. I appreciate all of the help you have given me already, it is wonderful! :D
:thumbs up

Love4himies
May 18th, 2008, 09:31 AM
Sorry to hear about your dog. Hope all works out for you. :fingerscr

Isn't Dr Lee the best :lovestruck:

dbg10
May 18th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Nice to meet you Love4himmies :) Yes Dr Lee is just fabulous! :angel: I never expected to hear from the experts when I posted :D

Dr Lee I said I would upload more pictures today but for some reason the card I saved the pictures on was damaged when I went to upload them. I will try to take some more if you think they would help you in any way, but it appears to me from what you said that you don't really need any more pictures. My only question now would be if there is a possiblity it is in her armpit.

As I said she came to me when she was 9 years old through a shelter, but I did get her directly from the family who had her since birth. For some reason her tail was never docked and her eyes droop and my vet tells me these are usually fixed/done shortly after birth. I know that she was adopted from an unknown breeder by the wife who died shortly after Pepper came to live with them and this may be the reason. Otherwise her health is good and the only medication she is on is UbaVet which is a glucosamine mixture I get from my vet and the Previcox at the moment. She does have a lot of ear infections, but my vet says this is normal for a Springer.

I really appreciate all the help you have given me ...as above you are an :angel:

chico2
May 18th, 2008, 04:56 PM
dbg,wow,that looks huge:yell:hopefully it can be removed safely,she would feel so much better:pray:
I agree about Dr Lee,it's great he visits us ever now and then,with some expert advice:thumbs up

Dr Lee
May 18th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Love4himies, dbg10, and chico2,

Stop you guys! :flirt: You are making my doggies jealous!

It is a true pleasure to be on this website. It is wonderful to be able to interact with so many terrific pet owners. I love all you guys!:pawprint:

Dr Lee
May 18th, 2008, 07:55 PM
...I was trying to feel her armpit I found it difficult to get my hand between the mass and her arm.

dbg10,

I didn't mean to worry you about this. I was wondering the placement due to the veterinarian's concern of surgery and the fact that I had not seen the pictures at that time. Since the lipoma is not 'mainly' under the armpit (if at all) is great - what I was previously concerned about, does not really apply with your case - so just ignore what I had asked previously. Sorry if I caused any concerns! :pawprint:

dbg10
May 18th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Thanks for your caring thoughts chico2 and yes it is huge and getting bigger all the time. I have considered making her a sling to hold it up. :)

Thanks Dr Lee, I appreciate you easing my worries. I actually didn't think it was in her armpit because she can walk normally and jumps up on her hind legs to get to food on the counter, so far anyway. If it was in her armpit I would expect her to only be able to walk on 3 legs and certainly not able to stand on her hind legs.

I expect my vet is concerned because she does not have a laser as far as I know. When my last lovely lady needed surgery at the age of 12 1/2 she sent us to a specialist for laser surgery. I still think she may be reluctant just for that reason, and why she is so concerned about the bleeding. It is a very large mass as you can see and when it is removed it would be a very large area to control bleeding. (I was an RN before I retired so I'm well aware of the possiblity for bleeding). I know if I ask her to send us to a surgeon, she will do it but she also recognizes the costs involved and knows I am on a fixed income. (she's always looking out for me as well as my pets ) :)

I intend to give her all the information you have given me and the links to this and the other discussion here on Giant Lipoma's and see what she thinks. She is familiar with Lipomas but has not removed one larger than a grapefruit.

Thank-you again, please give your doggies a hug for me :thumbs up

Frenchy
May 19th, 2008, 12:50 PM
Good luck with the operation , if I may give you a little suggestion : I give my guys some liver before and after surgery , it helps them with blood loss that can happen during operations.

dbg10
May 19th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Here are the pictures of Pepper's lipoma. I can now post attachments so I wanted to post them here so they don't get lost.

dbg10
May 19th, 2008, 03:52 PM
a few more - thanks for looking at them and a big thanks to Dr Lee! :thumbs up

chico2
May 19th, 2008, 04:57 PM
OMG,poor Pepper,that is huge,I've never seen anythng like that,these pics show it much better.
I don't suppose surgery has been booked yet,but you know,we will be here and comfort you and Pepper when it takes place,we will all be thinking of Pepper and you:pray:

dbg10
May 19th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Thanks Frenchy and chico2 I appreciate the advice and the good wishes. Believe it or not those are the same pics that were on my website just appear larger here. Also Pepper doesn't seem to know it is there as she is now feeling better from her shock of having me fall on her last week and jumped up on the kitchen counter today to check out the food that was being prepared. It amazes me how active she is especially where food and treats are concerned.:)

My vet is off for the long weekend and I will have to talk to her before getting a referral to a surgeon. I expect she will want her fully recovered from the shock of last week, before sending her to a surgeon, so it may be awhile before we go. Pepper is scheduled to see her in 3 weeks and unless there is a drastic change in her condition I probably won't take her in early. My thinking is that it took 2 years for it to get this big, it probably won't increase too much in the next 3 weeks. Right now she is still a little stiff at times, and as soon as I stand up she gets up and moves away so she is still afraid that I will fall on her again.

I am anxious to discuss what Dr Lee said with my vet, but I don't want to scare poor Pepper any more than she is at the moment. She allowed me to take the pictures you see very reluctantly and that is why her eyes are drooping so much. When she is smiling, you don't see the droop, but when she is scared or sad they look very bad.

I appreciate the fact that you all will be here to support us through the hard times and that is more than I can ask. I will keep you posted on what is happening. I hope I am able to return the favour sometime though I don't wish any health problems on any of your families :eek:
Thanks for your prayers! :)

meg4050
May 19th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Dbg, Pepper is gorgeous :lovestruck:

While Barkley (my Springer) has never had any limpomas that size, he did have one in the same place as Pepper, as well as beneath his armpit. They were large enough to cause him trouble when running and playing so we decided to have them removed, and he came out of the surgery just fine! :thumbs up

You're right about the ear infections, they are quite common in Springers - more so when they swim a lot.

:fingerscr:goodvibes: for Pepper!

dbg10
May 19th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Thanks meg4050, she is a very nice looking puppy and it is the first time I've had an ESS. My previous dogs were a Golden Retriever and a beautiful lab/shepherd/collie mix. I love Pepper's personality and from what I read and hear she is typical of the breed. Is Barkely male or female? black or brown?
I bet Barkely is beautiful too. :)

meg4050
May 19th, 2008, 09:39 PM
They do have pretty awesome personalities :) Barkley is my second Springer, we had a brown and white named Candy before him. Barkley is brown and white as well! Here's a pic..from you're avatar they look pretty similar in the face!

meg4050
May 19th, 2008, 09:40 PM
:o Sorry, I didn't think it would be that big!

dbg10
May 19th, 2008, 10:20 PM
WOW do they ever look alike! Pepper was due to go to the groomer last week but missed it because of my fall. She looks just like him when she is all clean and prettied up :) I'll try and take a pic of her tomorrow when she's not tired and post it in another thread for you to see. He is beautiful!

meg4050
May 19th, 2008, 10:24 PM
I still think they look awfully cute between groomings when they're all scruffy :cloud9:

meg4050
May 19th, 2008, 10:25 PM
WOW do they ever look alike! Pepper was due to go to the groomer last week but missed it because of my fall. She looks just like him when she is all clean and prettied up :) I'll try and take a pic of her tomorrow when she's not tired and post it in another thread for you to see.

I'll hold you to that ;) There are lots of Barkley on the site if you look hard enough :laughing:

dbg10
May 20th, 2008, 08:07 PM
I still think they look awfully cute between groomings when they're all scruffy :cloud9:

LOL I think they look cute anytime even when covered in mud :D

She wasn't up for a picture today. When I picked up the camera she left the room and I knew I would get another "if looks could kill" if I went ahead with the picture. So maybe tomorrow she'll be in the mood :) She must be having a bad hair day...:laughing:

dbg10
June 15th, 2008, 04:12 PM
To bring everyone uptodate about the Lipoma. First of all I don't think I gave Pepper's history. I adopted her from a man who was going into a retirement home in Feb 2006. His sons had listed her with a local shelter so despite the fact she was never in the shelter, I met the owner of the shelter when I paid for her. I have kept in touch with the original owner's sons who are the ones who brought her over when I adopted her. In this way I have all her medical history and know that the 'lump' was diagnosed by Pepper's previous vet as a Lipoma, as well as my vet. The Lipoma was large when I got her but was not as visible because it didn't stick out the way it does now.

History over.... The shelter I got her through is at Petsmart on Saturday afternoons. so I also saw the owner of the shelter when I went there to buy her new water bowl yesterday. She gave me the name of a vet who is actually a horse vet, but does small animals as well . She is in a small town north of here and does laser surgery at a more reasonable price than a specialist would. Apparently she does all the work for the shelter's animals and may be willing to remove Pepper's Lipoma.

I am very excited to hear this because if the vet does all the work for the shelter, she is obviously very good. I intend to discuss it with my vet next week.

Keep your fingers crossed for Pepper, that she will agree to operate on the Lipoma.... :thumbs up

chico2
June 15th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Oh,I remember Pepper,hope all goes well and she can have that awful Lipoma removed safely:pray:

dbg10
June 15th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Thanks Chico2 I'll keep everyone in the loop when anything new happens. :thumbs up

loopoo
June 15th, 2008, 08:58 PM
pepper is beautiful:lovestruck:and i hope all goes well with the surgery if she can have it:goodvibes::fingerscr

Frenchy
June 15th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Keep your fingers crossed for Pepper, that she will agree to operate on the Lipoma.... :thumbs up

Good luck to you and Pepper , who by the way is a beauty !

hazelrunpack
June 15th, 2008, 11:13 PM
Oh, I hope this vet is willing to do the surgery, dbg! :fingerscr

We have 4 hands of :fingerscr and 32 crossed :pawprint:s sending good wishes Pepper's way! :thumbs up

dbg10
July 18th, 2008, 06:00 PM
Today we had our visit to our vet for the lump check and to discuss surgery by the vet I found that uses lasers in her practise. Some here may disagree with me waiting this long before seeing the new vet but after the accident where I fell on her, I wanted to make sure she had recovered from that completely before discussing surgery.

Since I last posted Pepper has developed an occasional dry cough and the lump has dropped even lower to the point where it is almost under her chest. I have also noticed at times that she seemed short of breath but it didn't seem to interfere with her activity level. Happily the lump doesn't seem to have increased in size, just dropped. However, a new issue appeared today which may increase her risk factors for surgery. Pepper has developed a Grade 2 heart murmur in the last 8 weeks, at her last exam on May 16 her heart was fine despite the extra stress of the lump. Pepper has also lost
6 lbs since May 16 and though I think its due to the fact she hasn't been eating as much as before, it still may indicate something else is going on that may create a higher risk for her surgery.

My vet is more than willing for us to go to the new vet for a second opinion and for the surgery if I want to. My vet does not use a laser in her practise so she thinks Pepper may have a better chance with a vet who does. She estimates the weight of Peppers lump to be between 12 and 14 pounds. She is concerned about her age because she says the average life span of an ESS is 12 years and whether Pepper would gain any quality time from having the lump removed. She has experience with smaller lipomas and said the older dogs sometimes have their major organs compromised by surgery and end up losing any quality life they might have had without the surgery. She also mentioned that we don't know whether any part of the tumour is growing inside and whether Pepper's lungs or heart are compromised already. My vet was not trying to dissuade me from having the surgery done, she just likes me to know all the risks I'm facing before making the decision.

I thought about what she had told me, especially the development of the heart murmur, the weight loss, and the dry cough and decided to ask her to do blood work before I make my decision about the surgery. I know only an Xray and other tests will show us what is inside but the blood work should at least indicate if there is anything else going on which would add to her risk factors. She is doing a wellness screen, heartworm (because it has been found much more frequently this year in this area) and thyroid function and will let me know the results on Monday.

After I get the results I will make my decision, but with the sudden appearance of the heart murmur I am more reluctant for her to have the surgery done. Saddly my instinct tells me that the risks are now too high and that I should just let her live out her life for as long as she is comfortable but I'll wait for the blood work results to make the final decision. :)

dbg10
July 27th, 2008, 09:41 PM
I am sooo glad I waited for the results of Pepper's blood work before acting on my urge to have her giant lipoma removed. Pepper's results came back on Friday and she is now showing signs of Kidney disease with her creatinine elevated and other kidney blood work were all not good. Her Thyroid function is also affected with her results in the below normal range. It made me almost cry to think I would have put her through major surgery only to have her die on the table. It may not have happened, but the more bad results I hear from her vet exam and blood work the more I think I would have lost her during the surgery.

We have now put her on a kidney diet and will be retesting her thyroid function in a few months. We have also added metacam for her joint pain as the previcox made her vomit with every pill. I now hope she lives a year or two with the new diet and medication and know she will be happier without major surgery to remove her lump. Yes she might live longer with the surgery, but I also might have lost her then too. I think my instincts told me that her health was not as good as what it appeared to be and I know if her blood work had come back normal I would have sent her for the surgery without hesitation. She is a lovely dog and I am going to enjoy having her with me for as long as she lives. Hopefully she won't suffer with the size of the lipoma, but in actual fact she is now more active since it has dropped down her side and she seems to be enjoying life much more.

I would like to thank Dr Lee for his opinion and help with her Giant Lipoma. Maybe if she had been mine when she was younger I would have caught the lipoma much earlier and followed up with the surgery. I have experience with older dogs having surgery as my previous dog had surgery when she was 9 and then again when she was 12 1/2. It was my gut feeling that this would go wrong right from the start that stopped me.

I went with my gut instincts when making this decision and I believe I have been rewarded with a wonderful ESS for longer than she would have lasted if I had made the decision to have her operated on. :) I have always tended to listen to my gut instincts and they have usually told me what I need to do. :)

Thanks to everyone who gave me advise for Pepper. If anyone has any experience with kidney disease in a dog, please feel free to comment. :)

dbg10
September 18th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Well here we go again we're back discussing surgery with my vet. Pepper had gone on an eating strike after we switched her to Hill's K/D both canned and dry and was eating very little. She seemed depressed so I started adding some homemade food and she perked up but she still wasn't eating much. She lost more weight and became almost boney so I decided to make her a homemade kidney diet, alternating between beef and chicken with rice keeping the protein and phosphorus levels in her food down.

After a week of this diet which she gobbled up because she loved it so much, I took her in to my vet for a baseline weight. She is now down to 67 lbs including the Lipoma but she has gained a few pounds after eating good food for 10 days. During the examination my vet found her heart murmur is now very mild a grade 1 to 2 at the most and she is happy and active again.

When Pepper walks now the lump moves independently from her body and is starting to affect her ability to walk properly. The great thing my vet found was that she could almost put her hands around the entire Lipoma. Her hands almost met behind the lump so she has decided that if she continues to gain a bit of weight over the next few weeks and remains happy and active, she will do the surgery to remove the lipoma! She is not going to try to get it all, but she said she will debulk it and remove as much as she can.

The only issue is whether Pepper will be able to withstand the anaesthetic, but my vet believes that we will lose her in the next few months if the surgery is not done. So we are going to take the chance as long as Pepper is still eating and healthy in a few weeks. I am really happy and excited about the fact that Pepper may be able to move around without the huge lump.

I am attaching a couple of new pictures of Pepper's Lipoma. In case you are wondering she has her toy carrot in her mouth in the first picture

Frenchy
September 18th, 2008, 09:38 PM
The great thing my vet found was that she could almost put her hands around the entire Lipoma. Her hands almost met behind the lump .



omg that is a good news ! Can you imagine her without the lump ? She will be walking on :cloud9: !!! Good luck to you and Pepper and please keep us posted !

:grouphug: :fingerscr :goodvibes:

hazelrunpack
September 18th, 2008, 11:19 PM
That is good news, dgb10! More :goodvibes: coming Pepper's way from hazel and the Pack!

growler~GateKeeper
September 19th, 2008, 01:49 AM
Sending some more :goodvibes: :fingerscr for Pepper

chico2
September 19th, 2008, 07:45 AM
OMG that is huge,Pepper will be soo relieved if most of it is removed.
:fingerscr for a successful surgery:fingerscr

julster
September 19th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Wow!! My beagle Sherman had a tennis ball sized lipoma right in the center of his chest, between his two front legs. We used to call it his "uniboob"!!!! :laughing: We had it removed once because he was very young at the time. It did eventually come back, but it was YEARS later so probably wouldn't be a concern for Pepper. Sherm lived to the ripe old age of 16 before dying of old age.....

Best of luck to you and Pepper - Pennsylvania prayers coming your way!!:pray:

dbg10
September 19th, 2008, 04:29 PM
Thanks everyone for all the good wishes :D I will definitely keep you all posted on what happens. The reason we are waiting for 4 weeks is to make sure she is eating well and active and to recheck her blood work to make sure it doesn't deteriorate.

She is such a great dog and only 11 1/2 yrs old that I don't want to lose her. The fact that the Lipoma is now getting in her way, if it isn't removed, I am afraid we will have to put her down in a few months. Actually it doesn't look like it has grown much in the last couple of months, but I think the reason it is getting in her way now is it is hanging down more and moving in the opposite direction to her body, especially when she is trying to run.

I have found the people in this forum so supportive and helpful that I hope my experiences with Pepper will help someone else. :grouphug:

BTW in case anyone wants to know about the kidney diet I am using for Pepper, I found the information online. There are many places online that have recipes for homemade kidney diets for both dogs and cats, but some are incomplete and not balanced. I was very cautious about the information I believed.

I did find a few diets by a vet Dr. Donald R. Strombeck, who has published a book "Home-prepared Dog and Cat Diets, The Healthful Alternative" and from what I've read his diets are all complete and well balanced. I used his recipes as the basis for her food though I modified the ingredients for her weight. I have only fed her recipes containing rice even though potato is the main starch in many of the recipes I saw. I also read a lot of information about Chronic Renal Failure in dogs and what ingredients need to be modified in their diet to treat the kidney failure.

I don't want to post the recipes I am using because I did modify them and what is good for Pepper may not be good for anyone else's dog or cat. :) However, I do hope this helps someone help their beloved pet. If anyone wants some links for the recipes and information I found please PM me.

Thanks again for all the support :thumbs up

kandy
September 23rd, 2008, 12:30 PM
Wow - that's a huge fatty tumor! I can totally see where it would be throwing her off balance and interfering with her movement.

I hope everything goes well for you and Pepper.:goodvibes::fingerscr

dbg10
October 25th, 2008, 01:31 PM
The time is finally here and Pepper is scheduled for surgery on Tuesday morning Oct 28th. The risks are quite high because lab work done on Thursday indicated that her kidneys are getting worse and she is now a bit anemic so I pray for her to make it through the anesthetic and recovery period :pray:

In the last week or so the lump has become much looser and almost seems detached from her body. She now lies on that side and believe it or not the entire lump will be behind her shoulders and back. It is moving that much around her body. When she stands it is hanging down as seen in the pictures but a little lower now. My vet thinks that it is the movement that is causing the anemia because the small blood vessels between her body and the Lipoma are breaking as it moves around which makes sense to me.

My vet is concerned about the amount of blood loss there will be but she is hoping for the best of course. She told me she wouldn't have agreed to do the surgery if she thought the results would be any different with a specialist surgeon. I feel more comfortable with her doing the surgery because I know she really cares about animals and will fight to keep her alive if anything unexpected happens during the surgery. I saw her do this with my GR when he had a stroke but there was no chance of bringing him back.

I hope you will pray for Pepper to get through the surgery and make as full a recovery as possible. My vet hopes that after the surgery Pepper will live another year.

Thanks everyone for your good wishes for her, keep your fingers crossed she will make it through. I do have good vibes about it. :goodvibes:

I'll let everyone know as soon as I know :fingerscr

ScottieDog
October 25th, 2008, 01:44 PM
Sending prayers for your sweet Pepper. I hope the surgery is a success and her healing speedy. May you have many wonderful days ahead.

Love4himies
October 25th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Sending some :goodvibes: and keeping 12 :cat: :pawprint: crossed plus my :fingerscr for a good outcome with Pepper's surgery.

hazelrunpack
October 25th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Yep, we have :fingerscr and lotsa dog :pawprint:s crossed here, too! :goodvibes: for Tuesday!!

meg4050
October 25th, 2008, 06:09 PM
Sending lots of :goodvibes: and :fingerscr for you and Pepper!

Chris21711
October 25th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Lots of :pray:'s and good vibes for Pepper :grouphug:

Frenchy
October 25th, 2008, 08:11 PM
My vet is concerned about the amount of blood loss there will be



You could give Pepper raw liver , a bit every day before and after the surgery. It will help with the blood loss.

Good luck on Tuesday :fingerscr :goodvibes: I will be thinking of you both.

growler~GateKeeper
October 25th, 2008, 10:52 PM
:goodvibes::fingerscr:goodvibes::fingerscr for Pepper, will be thinking of you on Tues :grouphug:

Karin
October 26th, 2008, 12:41 AM
I will be thinking of you and Pepper too. Please try not to worry so much.

dbg10
October 26th, 2008, 12:48 PM
You could give Pepper raw liver , a bit every day before and after the surgery. It will help with the blood loss.

Good luck on Tuesday :fingerscr :goodvibes: I will be thinking of you both.

Thanks for the idea Frenchy but unfortunately Pepper won't eat any organ meats at all. I gave her some kidney pie last spring and she turned her nose up at it. Then I gave her some liver a few weeks ago, she sniffed it, looked at me as though I was trying to poison her, then walked away from her dish. I may try again after the surgery because it is a really good way of getting rid of anemia. :)

Thanks everyone for your good wishes for Pepper and me :)

hazelrunpack
October 26th, 2008, 12:59 PM
Have you tried searing the liver lightly on both sides, dbg? Maybe she prefers it lightly cooked. :D If you can bring yourself to do it, after you've seared it a little, rub it lightly on your lips and pretend to chew. Then let her smell your lips. Sometimes they just need to think it's human food before they're willing to try something new. :thumbs up

dbg10
October 28th, 2008, 08:31 AM
I'll try that when she gets home and see if I can convince her to eat it. She is now at the vet having surgery :pray: I'm keeping my fingers crossed that all goes well I know she is in good hands:fingerscr

Love4himies
October 28th, 2008, 08:54 AM
:goodvibes::fingerscr:pray: for Pepper today. :grouphug: for you. I know the wait is very stressful.

julster
October 28th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Good thoughts and prayers from PA coming your way........:pray:

diandpat
October 28th, 2008, 09:57 AM
It has to be done...:pray: it all goes well. (((HUGS))))

Keep us posted!

dbg10
October 28th, 2008, 10:34 AM
:pray::fingerscr:pray:Well she's out of surgery but things are still very touch and go because she lost a lot of blood. The incision runs from her spine down to her belly with one drain at the bottom of the incision. The actual Lipoma was lighter than my vet had estimated but it still weighed 10 lbs.

My vet found that she had been right about the cause of her anemia, she found a large pocket of blood and vessels between the Lipoma and her body because as the Lipoma had pulled away, blood vessels were torn and the pocket of blood formed and Pepper had been bleeding into this pocket. We were supposed to go and pick her up between 4 and 6 pm but my vet said she now doesn't want to move her for 24 hours so Pepper will be staying the night at the vet. We may go over later to see her, but I think it is probably important not to move her or get her excited today.

So we pray :pray: and pray some more that she will make it through the night.... Pepper is now lifting her head after the surgery and seems to be holding her own. :fingerscr :pray: :pray:

hazelrunpack
October 28th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Now that the weight of the lipoma isn't stressing those bleeders, :fingerscr that they just dry up and heal! :goodvibes: for Pepper. :grouphug:s for you. And :pray:s for both of you!

Karin
October 28th, 2008, 10:50 AM
Still keeping Pepper in my prayers. After a surgery like this it is best for her to remain calm, but she'll heal fast.
Keep us posted..

dbg10
October 28th, 2008, 11:30 AM
Thanks everyone for your :pray: I hope to be able to post some pictures when she comes home. It will be amazing seeing her without her huge lump on her side and I am hoping that without it, she does really well. My vet also said that her kidney failure could also be from the stress of the Lipoma and her overall health may improve now that its gone. :fingerscr Here's hoping she's right!
I'll let everyone know once I call or visit this afternoon.

growler~GateKeeper
October 29th, 2008, 12:11 AM
It's a good thing that you got her in fairly quickly for surgery then, she could've bled out.
I'm glad the vet has kept her overnight, this will help her on the road to recovery a little faster and it never hurts to have her checked on during the night :thumbs up
More :goodvibes: for a good recovery & :fingerscr this helps w/the kidneys too :goodvibes:

hazelrunpack
October 29th, 2008, 12:36 AM
Did you get an update on Pepper this afternoon, dbg? :goodvibes:

julster
October 29th, 2008, 08:31 AM
Anxiously waiting news on Pepper.....hope she had a good night!

dbg10
October 29th, 2008, 10:16 AM
I called about 4.30pm and she was sleeping with pain medication and ws progressing well. I slept very poorly last night and ended up lying down for a nap this afternoon and slept until 8.30pm and by then they weren't answering the phone so I had to wait until this morning to find out how she was doing.

This morning she is very reluctant to stand up even with encouragement so they are giving her more pain medication and letting her sleep some more. If she isn't able to stand later today, then it doesn't look like she'll be coming home today. I am not sure what the next step will be because I only talked to the assistant, not my vet this morning. They didn't say whether it was due to weakness or blood loss that she was having trouble standing, or due to pain. I guess time will tell.... They told me to call this afternoon so I have to wait until then to find out what is happening. My vet obviously didn't want to make any new decisions this morning or she would have talked to me. Pepper didn't have any blood transfusions during the surgery so I suspect that may be the next step...

Just keeping my fingers crossed at this point..and praying for her :fingerscr:pray:

Love4himies
October 29th, 2008, 10:20 AM
:goodvibes::fingerscr:pray: for Pepper. I am sure she is in good hands and needs her rest.

Karin
October 29th, 2008, 10:30 AM
After what she has been through, even with the pain meds, I am sure she will still be a little ouchie. And depressed. Her world is a bit upside down right now.
Can you bring her a shirt that you have worn recently? Your scent may be a comfort to her.

dbg10
October 29th, 2008, 10:34 AM
It's a good thing that you got her in fairly quickly for surgery then, she could've bled out.
I'm glad the vet has kept her overnight, this will help her on the road to recovery a little faster and it never hurts to have her checked on during the night :thumbs up
More :goodvibes: for a good recovery & :fingerscr this helps w/the kidneys too :goodvibes:

When I heard that she was anemic and possibly from blood loss I was very happy she was already booked for the surgery because it would be so sad if she had bled out before we knew anything about it. I really wondered when she started lying on that side and tumour moved to a position of being behind her when she lay down because I knew it was attached even though it looked like it was completely independent of her body. My vet and I had discussed that there were blood vessels probably attaching it to her body so this new position really seemed odd to me and I wondered what was happening on the inside.


:goodvibes::fingerscr:pray: for Pepper. I am sure she is in good hands and needs her rest.

yes that is one comfort, I know she is in good hands :)

dbg10
October 29th, 2008, 10:45 AM
After what she has been through, even with the pain meds, I am sure she will still be a little ouchie. And depressed. Her world is a bit upside down right now.
Can you bring her a shirt that you have worn recently? Your scent may be a comfort to her.

I suggested that I should bring her favorite toy if she would be staying another night. They said she seemed to be having no separation anxiety at all when I suggested it. She has a shirt with her that she has worn at home and has all the nice cat and dog and people smells on it. She will wear it home if she is paying attention to the incision at all.

They also told me that she is not eating either, and they had to give her some high calorie liquid to make sure she is getting enough nutrients to give her strength. She has been on a homemade diet for weeks now so I am not surprised that she wouldn't eat the Hills K/D because she didn't like it when she was at home either. She was off her food the day before she went for surgery and I wasn't sure why.

Chris21711
October 29th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Lots of :pray: for Pepper that she makes a quick recovery.

dbg10
October 29th, 2008, 11:34 AM
I heard from the vet and they finally got her to stand up but she still won't eat their food. They asked me to bring her food over and I had to make some, so I am making it now before delivering it. I am more hopeful now that this is going to work out and she is going to recover well. Unfortunately she has stairs to climb to get in and out of the house so we still may not be able to bring her home today because I can't carry her. I am going to take her favorite toy with me so she at least will have that as well as her usual food.
Will post back after delivering the food..

Love4himies
October 29th, 2008, 12:50 PM
Sounds like she is making progress. Seeing mom and having her regular food will lift her spirits.

BenMax
October 29th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Pepper is gorgeous! I hope that surgery goes well. My thoughts are with you and Pepper.

bendyfoot
October 29th, 2008, 01:14 PM
It's possible that Pepper's just suffering from a bit of an anaesthetic "hangover"...that plus pain meds can make for one supremely weirded-out dog who doens't feel right at all...so won't eat or move. Once the meds start to work out of the system, they start feeling better. Stitches on the side of the body can feel really weird too (my girl had a forearm amputation, right to the shoulder) and can make them not want to walk as much (they pull, itch, etc.) IME it's not so much pain but overall feeling of weirdness that makes them act "off". I bet that once the stitches are out, if not sooner, she'll be 100% fine and better than ever. Let us know how she's doing after your visit! Oh, remember too, that many dogs suddenly become hysterical cry-babies when they see mom or dad (I worked in a vet clinic and saw many post-op doggies, who were calm and alert and happy as clams in their cages...until mom came back for a visit and suddenly they were big wailing puddles of woe:rolleyes:...then mom leaves and they're fine again:rolleyes:...so don't be too alarmed if she's very vocal or seems worked up, it's all an act put on for your sake!!!)

dbg10
October 29th, 2008, 02:12 PM
She wasn't that interested in the food but was definitely interested in seeing me with a lot of tail wagging and whining as I expected. Though I did want to see her, of course, I was concerned about her reaction when I left her there. bendyfoot my experience has been the same as yours when dogs are visited and not taken home but thanks for sharing your experiences and insight. My experience with dogs after surgery is that they get all excited to see Mom and expect to be taken home then. So I thought it was too bad that she wouldn't eat their food because I didn't want to get her upset. Every dog I've had that has needed surgery has been the same.

I took her outside to pee and she did very well and didn't seem to be in pain at all. She is more awake now and seems to be standing and moving without a problem.

I took her carrot toy with me and she was very happy to see it. All was fine until I went to put her back in the cage..oops that's NOT what she had in mind and stood like a rock, impossible to move and the vet had to take over to get her back inside. LOL she wanted to come home but until she spends another few hours there we won't know if she'll be coming home later today or tomorrow. A lot depends on whether she eats or not. It was a very promising visit and I was so happy she acted normally and without pain. I'll post later when I find out if she coming home today or not.

Thanks everyone for your support of us, it helped get me through the night.:)

Love4himies
October 29th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Sound like she is recovering very quickly :thumbs up. When she saw you she was probably more interested in being with you and going home than the food, lol. Her tummy is probably still feeling a little woozy from the anesthetic.

bendyfoot
October 29th, 2008, 02:54 PM
Sounds like she's doing great:thumbs up She must have looked quite different without her lump!

Chris21711
October 29th, 2008, 03:25 PM
Sounding good dbg10 - nice to hear thanks for the update :grouphug: for Pepper,

Karin
October 29th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Wow! This news makes me feel all fuzzy. Sounds like she is rebounding back.
I know she will feel better at home, and so will the family, but your vet knows when the time is right. It rally does not hurt a dog to fast for a few days, with her condition though, eating will help her energy.
I never advise this unless under extreme circumstances...hand feed. It can become a habit but one that can be fixed. Hand feeding is like a "comfort food" thing.
She deserves to be babied!

meg4050
October 29th, 2008, 07:33 PM
So great to hear some good news!! :goodvibes::fingerscr:pray: for Pepper!

Frenchy
October 29th, 2008, 08:29 PM
woohoo I'm glad it went well !

I agree that now she needs rest and it's ok if she's not interested about the food. And I understand that you can't wait to see her without this huge lump , and she will be so glad too !

Speedy recovery Pepper !!! :goodvibes: :fingerscr

dbg10
October 29th, 2008, 09:03 PM
She's HOME!!:thumbs up She has a towel wrapped around her and covered with vet wrap to put some pressure on the incision and prevent any further bleeding. She has a drain in place so she will be draining over the next few days. The T-shirt I bought her didn't fit over her dressing and vet wrap, so it wasn't put on her. She is exhausted after climbing into the car (with help)and climbing the 4 steps into our house (with help). She wouldn't eat at all for them so we are giving her hi-cal if she won't eat at home. All she wanted to do when she arrived was drink water and lie down. She is now sleeping in her favorite place in front of the TV :laugh: LOL She greeted two of the cats with a kiss each and the other two are still sleeping.
She was sent home on Hi-Cal..a high calorie vitamin preparation, pain pills and antibiotics and Geri-tabs to help with the anemia. She has to go back tomorrow for another injection and dressing change and we will see how she is then. Her blood work done before the surgery shows anemia and her kidney failure is worse than it was in July:
hemoglobin of 120 g/l normal is 135 to 205 g/l
hematocrit of 0.34 L/L normal 0.39 to 0.60 L/L
Red blood cell count 4.9 normal 5.5 to 8.5 x10E12
urea 33.5 mmol/L normal 3.0 to 10.0 mmol/L
creatinine 518 umol/L normal 30 to 140 umol/L
calcium 3.04 mmol/L normal 2.20 to 3.00 mmol/L

My vet thinks that the Lipoma may have caused a lot of the problems and hopes that at least some of her blood work will improve as she heals.

I plan to keep everyone in the loop as she heals because others may be able to use the information for their beloved dogs or cats. Afert her drain is removed on Friday I will be changing her dressing and hope to take some pictures of the incision but all that will depend on Pepper's co-operation.

I want to say :thankyou: thanks to everyone for their prayers and suggestions through this long drawm out process :D with special thanks to Dr. Lee for his initial response to my first posts about her Lipoma. I send hugs to all. :2huggers:

dbg10
October 29th, 2008, 09:08 PM
Wow! This news makes me feel all fuzzy. Sounds like she is rebounding back.
I know she will feel better at home, and so will the family, but your vet knows when the time is right. It rally does not hurt a dog to fast for a few days, with her condition though, eating will help her energy.
I never advise this unless under extreme circumstances...hand feed. It can become a habit but one that can be fixed. Hand feeding is like a "comfort food" thing.
She deserves to be babied!

LOL Karin you should see me feeding her with a spoon or by hand, however she will take it IMHO but right now she doesn't want any part of either method. I think she's just exhausted and will hopefully start eating in a day or two. She at least likes the Hi Cal which I can substitute if necessary.

Frenchy
October 29th, 2008, 09:10 PM
I am so glad your girl is at home ! And glad that she is resting :sleepy: You will have her back in no time , she will be like a brand new dog , I can't imagine how good she will feel now , without this weight on her :cloud9:

the gang
October 29th, 2008, 09:56 PM
im keeping you and the pup in my prayers!!!! i dealt with this with my chalsie girl!!!! sorry i have not responed sooner,, i still after 4 yrs have a hard time talking about this. she was the best rescue dog ever!!! i loved her to bits, so just know im thinking of you guys!!!:grouphug: brenda and the pins..

Karin
October 29th, 2008, 10:09 PM
LOL Karin you should see me feeding her with a spoon or by hand, however she will take it IMHO but right now she doesn't want any part of either method. I think she's just exhausted and will hopefully start eating in a day or two. She at least likes the Hi Cal which I can substitute if necessary.

That sounds the same as nutrical, a high calorie supplement, that's all good. She's home...and happy. Happy means a lot to one who does not quite understand what's going on,
healing will be smoother now too.
She will feel better by the am I am sure.
MUAH Pepper!

growler~GateKeeper
October 29th, 2008, 10:31 PM
So happy to hear Pepper is home, with a little time she will shake off the anaesthetic & be raring to eat

:goodvibes: Speedy recover :goodvibes:

aslan
October 29th, 2008, 10:33 PM
oh that's great news that pepper is home, i truly believe she will recover faster there than at the vets office.

hazelrunpack
October 29th, 2008, 11:18 PM
Fantastic news, dbg! :grouphug: It must be awesome to see her without that huge lipoma! :highfive:

I love how she kissed the cats hello :cloud9:

:goodvibes: and :fingerscr that she starts to eat tomorrow!

dbg10
October 30th, 2008, 03:16 PM
We took her back for her injection today and my vet is very pleased with how she is doing. She was happy to ride in the car until she found out where she was going. Now our challenge is to get her to eat and to take pills to prevent any infection. I am very happy to say that she is doing well and looks like everything will turn out fine now that the Lipoma is gone. Thanks again everyone :)

Karin
October 30th, 2008, 04:13 PM
You go girl! Go Pepper!

Love4himies
October 30th, 2008, 05:21 PM
OMG I missed this post today. And she gave the kitty kisses :cloud9::lovestruck:

So happy to hear that Pepper is doing so well :thumbs up:highfive:

:grouphug:

ScottieDog
October 30th, 2008, 05:28 PM
I'm so glad Pepper is home and her surgery went well. I know you have to get her to eat. When we were facing kidney failure with Tipper (completely different cause to what your Pepper is facing) we were told that the high Creatinine level caused her to not want to eat. As you can get this number to decrease toward normal, she may get her appetite back more. Also, some of her medicines might be making her tummy hurt. You might ask about adding some sort of probiotic to her diet for a while. Good luck. We ended up having the syringe feed Tipper for a while and it wasn't enjoyable for any of us.

More prayers for Pepper as she heals.

Frenchy
October 30th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Now our challenge is to get her to eat and to take pills to prevent any infection.

I either use cheese or banana to hide the pills , it works great :thumbs up

hazelrunpack
October 30th, 2008, 11:16 PM
I can't wait to see pics of Pepper lipoma-free! :thumbs up She must feel sooooo much better already!

rainbow
October 31st, 2008, 03:37 AM
I somehow missed this whole thread until now. :o Glad to hear that Pepper's surgery went well and hope she starts eating soon. :fingerscr

Sending lots of good wishes for a speedy recovery. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

kandy
October 31st, 2008, 05:44 PM
Yay for Pepper! I'm glad the surgery went well and she's home and on the road to recovery. It must be so strange for her not to have that extra weight, but it must feel oh so much better!

rainbow
November 1st, 2008, 03:50 AM
How is Pepper doing? :goodvibes:

Karin
November 1st, 2008, 11:29 PM
I want to hear too. It has been a long day for me & I wanted to check Pepper out.

I hope it is good news....please post something!

dbg10
November 2nd, 2008, 03:41 PM
sorry for not posting for 2 days, I was so tired after all this that I slept and didn't come online until today. On Friday the 31st we took her back to the vet again for her dressing change and antibiotic by injection. She was thrilled while the bandage was off and rather ticked off when it was put back on. The drain was removed too without any difficulty. My vet gave me her Saturday antibiotic injection to bring home and give her, which I did. (I am a retired RN) I was also instructed to remove her dressing today, and if there was any drainage to replace it with a lighter dressing.

I removed the dressing today and there was a tiny bit of drainage but I wasn't allowed to put anything back on the site because she lay down and growled. SHe also has a new bone in front of her which she thought I was going to steal. I put a small dressing under her and will check later to see if there is any drainage that would need a dressing, before trying to put something back on her. She seems to be relishing the freedom of having nothing on her as she had a towel wrapped around her followed by vet wrap to hold it in place. It was rather bulky and I know I would hate it so why shouldn't she.

She is going up the stairs to get outside without a problem but my son is still carrying her downstairs to prevent an accident. She hasn't stood up since I removed the dressing so I don't know if she is able to walk more easily since the removal of the big bandage. She was taking very short steps with it on.

She is still not back on her food yet and I think her stomach is still upset. She will eat small amounts of peanut butter, cheese, slices of bread, and the Hi-cal which we are still giving her until she is completely back on her food. She is also taking Geri-tabs. She will also drink the liquid from chicken noodle soup I've given her but she is not the least bit interested in her usual rice, with beef or chicken. She also ate a can of salmon feast (Fancy Feast) that I was feeding one of the cats and a can of chicken flakes that I had. I hopefully will get her back on her regular diet when she heals but right now I want her to start eating and it doesn't matter what it is as long as she eats. When she first came home I wondered if she had a bad taste in her mouth because she would start to grab something to eat it and then spit it out. Anesthetics ften leave people with a bad taste in their mouths so I thought it was possible. She also coughed a bit when she tried to swallow something that seemed a bit dry as though it was getting stuck in her throat.

She is doing so well now I am thrilled. Every day she is more active and is also taking on the cats when they walk near her, barking at them like she usually does. I tried to get a picture of the incision to post but she was having none of it. I will post one as soon as I can get one that shows the difference in her now. There is still a bit of a pouch where the lump was because my vet did not remove any skin because of all the blood she lost. So the position she's lying in makes it look like at least part of the lump is still there so I want to get a picture with her standing before posting it.

Sorry for taking so long to get back to everyone, after all the support you gave us. I will post at least one picture hopefully later today but I wanted to bring everyone :grouphug: up-to-date now. :)

hazelrunpack
November 2nd, 2008, 03:51 PM
Great report, dbg! I guess I wouldn't want the bandage on again, either :o

Does she normally eat kibble? If so, you can mix plain yogurt with it to make it seem like a special treat--a tablespoon or two should do it...sort of like frosted flakes. :D A teaspoon or two of pumpkin (pure pumpkin, not the kind that already has sugar and spices mixed in for pie filling) mixed in with the yogurt and kibble also makes a tasty change. (Yogurt is a natural probiotic and pumpkin is a good source of fiber and will keep her regular till she's back on her usual diet.) Try it with a small amount of her food (in case she doesn't eat it, you don't waste much) and see if that will entice her to eat. And offer her small portions, more times each day--if she hasn't eaten much lately, her tummy will feel more comfortable with small meals.

Good job, Pepper! :dog: You keep healing honey, eat your food, and pose for some of those pictures for us, okay? :grouphug:

Love4himies
November 2nd, 2008, 03:53 PM
Thank you for the update, so glad Pepper is doing so well :thumbs up. Hazel has some really good ideas to help he digestion. Sure would love to see some pics.:D, including the kitties.

Karin
November 2nd, 2008, 05:56 PM
Thanks for the update! A thought just came to me and why I didn't think of this before baffles me.

Why she does not want to eat, as a retired RN you know being in surgery so long under sedation, that sedation is delivered by a trach tube. People and animals always suffer a sore throat with difficulty in swallowing for a few days post op.
Maybe freeze the broth and give it to her in ice cube form and chill all her other food?
Just like giving kids ice cream after having their tonsils out.

Frenchy
November 2nd, 2008, 06:19 PM
Yipeee for Pepper and you ! It's never easy to take care of them after surgery , having to wear bandages ...

Hazel has great tips to help Pepper eat and get better :thumbs up

Speedy recovery Pepper :goodvibes:

rainbow
November 3rd, 2008, 03:11 AM
Thanks for the update and glad Pepper is feeling better. :thumbs up

As well as the other suggestions given to encourage her to eat you could also try adding some baby food but make sure it says no salt added on the label. Also the canned chicken flakes should be rinsed in water if there is salt included in the ingredients and the chicken broth diluted.

Another thing to try is satin balls...

http://theherbs.info/Pets/satinball.html

dbg10
November 3rd, 2008, 03:34 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions. All food that I give Pepper has been prepared with as little salt as possible because if it's affect on her heart and kidneys. The chicken flakes were soaked in water to remove as much salt as possible and the broth was boiled and then diluted 4:1. Many of the things I offer her she will have nothing to do with matter how I try to disguise it. She is only eating small amounts of anything I give her, essentially a few bites at a time. I believe her throat is still a little sore and dry and this is what's stopping her from eating normally. I always heat her food because that is the only way she'll eat it and she has been refusing kibble for several months now. Her regular diet includes most of the ingredients in the satin balls but altered to make it suitable for her kidney diet restrictions.

In the last day or so she has had another can of chicken flakes soaked to remove the salt, several slices of white bread (she won't eat any other kind), 3 tbsps of salt free peanut butter, scrambled eggs 2:1 whites>yolks, 4 thin slices of cheddar cheese, chicken noodle soup diluted 3:1 without the noodles (she won't touch them), 2 tbsps Hi-Cal and her geri-tab. I may have forgotten something because I give her anything I can think of. She won't touch rice at all with or without broth to flavour it. She also won't have anything to do with beef of any kind so at the moment I am just trying to increase her caloric intake and not worrying too much about her kidney restrictionsl.

Unfortunately I took the bandage off yesterday and that lasted about 10 minutes before she started licking the incision, so I was unable to take any pictures because I immediately put another dressing on. However this dressing is much lighter than the one the vet applied because there is only a miniscule amount of drainage now. I wrapped her with gauze wrap over a small gauze pad and then applied a roll of vet wrap that I had. She left it alone once the dressing was back on. So I guess I will have to wait to take a picture of her now. The dressing is wrapped right around her body to keep it in place so all anyone can see is the dressing. Yes she is much thinner without the lump and is definitely starting to move around normally. I am so pleased with the results of her surgery and I know she is pleased to be able to move more freely now that the lump is gone.
I will definitely post a picture as soon as I can get her to leave the incision alone without the dressing in place. I think the battle will continue over food because she is one of the most fussy eaters I have ever had. At least she is eating something now, which is more than she was a few days ago. I appreciate all the suggestions, I've tried the ones I hadn't and some have worked, others haven't. Since the satin balls are similar to her regular food I may make some to see if they will work with the molasses added. I know the Hi-Cal tastes like molasses so she may eat them which would be great.

Thanks again for all the help I really appreciate everyone's suggestion. You guys have so much knowledge to share it has geen great :grouphug:

hazelrunpack
November 3rd, 2008, 03:42 PM
Satin balls are a great way to get some weight on a dog if she'll eat them!

So glad to hear that she's starting to move around more normally and that the drainage has about stopped :thumbs up When does she get her blood checked again? Were you ever able to get her to consider eating a little liver? :D

dbg10
November 3rd, 2008, 06:23 PM
Thanks Hazel for all your suggestions. I cooked some liver last night trying to get her to eat something with protein in it instead of slices of bread which she seems to love. :( When I pretended to taste it and chew it she looked the other way and when I then offered it to her she got up and moved to the other room. I tried several different methods of getting her interested in it and none of them worked. I'll try again once she's eating a bigger variety of food. I will be buying more molasses tonight and will add them to her regular food and see if that catches her attention. She is such a fussy eater I can't believe it. She has always been very particular about what food she will eat, but this is worse than it ever was.

She will have the stitches in for 14 days because my vet is away this week and wants to see her when she gets back. I assume she will do more blood work then. Her colour is much better than it was the day after surgery and the Hi-Cal and geri-tabs should do their work if we can get her to eat something more nutritious than she's eating now. Her behaviour is much more normal now and I expect the food issues will clear up in a few days :fingerscr

I really wish I could take the dressing off becaused the incision needs air to heal properly but if she is going to lick and chew it, I can't risk it so I've compromised with a roll of gauze so that air can get at the incision and she's not paying any attention to it. :)

clm
November 3rd, 2008, 10:24 PM
My guys are pretty picky eaters. They love the smell of cooked chicken....try roasting a couple of chicken thighs, bone in and skin on. Once cooked and cooled enough to handle, take all the meat and skin off the bone (throw away the bone) and break into smallish pieces and see if she won't try some of that mixed in with her food. Make sure it's still a little warm, the smell is what gets them.

Cindy

hazelrunpack
November 3rd, 2008, 11:16 PM
I hope the chicken sparks some interest. Yum!! :goodvibes:

Does she seem to be losing much weight? Must be a load off your mind to see her moving more normally again and to see her color come back! :thumbs up

Now if she would just start to eat. :dog:

Karin
November 4th, 2008, 12:00 AM
One more suggestion. Then I'll quit..I promise.

I know an e-collar is out, I hate the things anyway. A friend of mine used her cervical collar, (foam neck brace) on her dog after she had surgery almost like Pepper's. She had free range but could not reach her side to lick. The collar can be bought at any drug store and is one size fit's all with velcro.
Yes, they do look funny but it is totally functional and so is your pet.( Pets can care less about looking funny) I am sure she is getting very tired of all this. Not only the attitude get's worn down but so does the strive to be alive.
She is eating and that is a good thing.
She may also be as little "unlevel" being use to carrying extra weight on one side and now it's gone.
Just my thoughts.

growler~GateKeeper
November 4th, 2008, 03:20 AM
When she first came home I wondered if she had a bad taste in her mouth because she would start to grab something to eat it and then spit it out.

Does she lick her lips a few times after doing this? or when offered food? - She could be a bit nauseous still :shrug: either from the surgery or as a reaction from the kidney issues to the stomach acid. Are you feeding w/raised dishes so her head is above her stomach level while eating? This should help if it is stomach acid induced nausea

Does she like Salmon? You could try some Salmon Oil on her food, I just started Grizzleys (http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/salmon_oil/salmon_oil.html) for my CRF cat. Not only does it help w/constipation, improves skin & coat, provides essential fatty acids but also encourages her to eat :D cuz she loves the flavour :pawprint:

I'm so glad Pepper is doing well :goodvibes: for continued improvement

dbg10
November 4th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Well here is the first picture of her. It isn't very good because we had a set-to over the dressing and the t-shirt and she almost looks a little scared in the picture but she was just very ticked off that I had put her muzzle on her to get the t-shirt on after she bit me.

The dressing came apart and her incision was protruding between the wrap and she was starting to lick it. We took it off and were planning to put another one on because the T-shirt had not fit at the vet. But she looked so happy without anything on that I decided to try to T-shirt. We managed to get it on and it does fit. I didn't want her lying around on her incision because the rugs haven't been cleaned in awhile and I was afraid of infection. So on went the T-shirt after a bit of a fight. One thing at least she has the energy to fight me, she is a very stubborn girl and knows exactly what she wants/doesn't want.

I will try to get a better picture later showing the incision and her standing so you can see how good she looks without it. In this picture you can see the bulge that is left where the lump was and it seems to be irritating her a bit, but the drain was in the middle of the lump and that may be the issue.

As for her food. She loves ground cooked chicken that we bought last night. So she is now eating bread and ground chicken and we are starting to add her rice back into the chicken very slowly. I think she is just fed up with the beef since she found there is something else at Thanksgiving when I gave her the left over turkey after stripping it off the bone.

Karin that is a great idea. I actually have a soft cervical collar that would be ideal if the t-shirt doesn't work out or I have to take it off and wash it. The vet assistant suggested an e-collar but at this late stage it is really out of the question. My vet also didn't want her wearing one because it disturbs the dog too much and usually isn't necessary when there are other alternatives.

Anyway here goes...the first picture:

hazelrunpack
November 4th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Oh, there's the beautiful girl! :flirt: She looks sooooooo much better without the lump!!! And very stylish in her T!

I'll bet you're counting down the days till you can get the stitches removed! And I'm so glad she's eating again! :D Soon she'll be on her feet and finding new joy in life!

I hope she didn't get you too hard when you were putting the T-shirt on... :o

Frenchy
November 4th, 2008, 08:19 PM
When I pretended to taste it and chew it she looked the other way and when I then offered it to her she got up and moved to the other room.



sheesh , are you sure she's not a cat ? :D

She's too cute in her t-shirt , and seems much more comfy !!! :thumbs up

dbg10
November 5th, 2008, 02:10 PM
LOL all she did last night was chase the cats and look for food. It looks like she's through the worst of it :party: However, we are still trying to find the foods she's willing to eat. She is turning up her nose at rice or noodles or anything starchy except white bread. I suppose it's better than nothing. She seems to be catching up on the food she missed, constantly asking for food or treats.

I was so happy to get the T on her because it is so nice and light and doesn't restrict her movement at all. I have to get to the pet store and buy another T so I can change this one. She is much happier with the T than she was with the bulky dressing.

Since we adopted Pepper 3 years ago she has bitten us a few times. It has always been associated with her being frightened. She also didn't like us to trim her nails or the hair on her feet. In the early days she drew blood with her bites but now she just lets me know she doesn't like it. I think she was frightened when I tried to put the T on because she'd never worn one before or she also could have been in pain. Now we have a cure for it, if she shows signs of biting, I get her muzzle out and put it on. Then we are both happy. She doesn't mind at all wearing the muzzle which I found very odd when I first started using it.

I will try again today to get a picture of the incision and her standing so you can see the huge difference in how she looks.

rainbow
November 5th, 2008, 02:29 PM
Awww....cute pic of Pepper even if she does look a little miffed at wearing the t-shirt. :D

Chasing the cats is a good sign that she's feeling better and glad her appetite is coming back. :thumbs up Will she eat eggs at all or just chicken and bread? :)

hazelrunpack
November 5th, 2008, 02:30 PM
She sounds so much like our chocolate-and-vanilla springer, Priscilla...right down to the mouthing you to let you know she was displeased! :laughing: She was quite the Queen!

You know if she's back to chasing cats that she's feeling better! :D

Chris21711
November 5th, 2008, 02:53 PM
That is great new dbg, she is going to be one happy dog once she has her stitches out. What does she have another week to go before that happens?

dbg10
November 6th, 2008, 02:16 PM
No new pics yet, I'll try today to get at least one more. She is much better and seems to me that she knows the 'lump' is gone. She gets up much more easily and doesn't seem to realize she has her T on at all. There is no drainage at all from where the drain was removed and she is now protecting her toys, bones and 4 ft around her from the cats.

She seems constantly hungry, every time I make a move for the kitchen she is there right behind me begging for food. She had her chicken 1:1 with rice last night and I'll be adding eggs and the other ingredients one at a time today. We are going to continue givine her the Hi-Cal because it has all the vitamins, minerals and iron in it that she needs to heal. She is also taking the Geri Tabs without complaint... I drop one on the floor she picks it up and eats it, so no problem with her taking THAT pill anyway. I think from now on I will alternate the chicken and beef because I think she may be tired of eating beef and that's why she refused it and this way may give me an opportunitey to slide some liver in there too.

My vet is going to be so pleased next week when we take her back to have her stitches out, because as she said 'she made it through the surgery, I'm happy'. I know I am thrilled at the outcome.

I am definitely going to try to get a pic for everyone even if its only with the T pulled up so you can see the incicsion. Thanks everyone :grouphug:

clm
November 6th, 2008, 03:05 PM
Isn't it wonderful that she's doing so well. I'm so glad she's eating and getting back to normal. I'm sure you're so relieved.

Cindy

rainbow
November 6th, 2008, 04:21 PM
YAY Pepper.....what a wonderful update. :highfive:

I am so happy to hear that she is getting her appetite back and that the incision is looking so good. :thumbs up You must absolutely be on cloud nine. :cloud9:

Looking forward to the pics. :goodvibes:

growler~GateKeeper
November 7th, 2008, 02:02 AM
Sounds like Pepper is well on her way to a full & speedy recovery. You've done a great job getting her to where she needs to be :thumbs up

rainbow
November 12th, 2008, 03:38 AM
How is Pepper doing? :fingerscr :goodvibes:

dbg10
December 5th, 2008, 04:29 PM
I must apologize to everyone for not sending the pictures I promised or answering anyone. We had a family emergency that took me offline since I last posted. :sorry:

Pepper is doing fabulously and is totally back to normal.:thumbs up She is eating everything I give her and more if she can get it. Her weigh-in at the vet two weeks after surgery put her at 58 lbs so she lost almost 12 lbs with the Lipoma. Apparently there were actually two of them the 10 lb one that the vet weighed and a smaller one which she thought was about 3 lbs but it came out in pieces so was never weighed. By the time of the weigh-in Pepper appeared to have gained a little weight around her hips so she actually might have weighed less than 58 right after surgery.

She is still receiving her Geri Tabs daily and I will probably keep her on them because of she is receiving a homemade diet that may not be as balanced as it could be. Most of her meals consist of Ground Chicken or Beef, an egg, two egg whites, 2 egg shells to cut down of the phosphorus in her diet, yams and spinach or other vegetables and rice with either homemade chicken or beef gravy to flavour it. She loves this diet and seems to be thriving on it.

I would like to thank everyone for the help and suggestions they have given me throughout this ordeal and hope you all will accept my apology for not answering sooner. :grouphug:

My son took 2 pictures today which aren't very good but do show her with her fur growing back and skinny again.

The first picture actually looks to me as though she still has a swelling on her side which in real life is not there, it is the way she is standing.(the one where she is reaching for her toy carrot)

The second picture shows just the operation area and it is flat. The incision runs vertically from just below her shoulder down to her chest and seems to be shrinking as her extra skin shrinks. There is now very little extra skin left from her Lipoma which amazes me because none had been removed at the time of her surgery. Her skin seems to be shrinking back to normal fast. She is a very happy girl now that she can run around unimpeded by the huge lump. There are no signs of regrowth or growth of the other very small Lipomas elsewhere on her body.

diandpat
December 5th, 2008, 04:39 PM
What a wonderful update and what a tenacious pup you have...good for her. How nice that she can run and play unimpeded now :cloud9:

Sounds like you are doing a great job with her rehab. That diet sounds yummy too...I have two pooches here who wouldn't mind sinking their teeth into it. I am sure one the more knowledgeable member will be able to advise whether further supplements are needed with the home made diet. :shrug:

Regardless, she is certainly thriving now and that must be a HUGE relief to the whole family
:thumbs up:thumbs up:thumbs up

Chris21711
December 5th, 2008, 04:56 PM
That is such great news, I have checked the thread from time to time to see if there were any updates and this one is fantastic. She must feel so relieved. Personally I cannot see any sign of a lump at all. She looks just great :thumbs up.

chico2
December 5th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Aww,that's great news,Pepper looks wonderful:thumbs up

dbg10
December 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Thanks everyone :) The only sign she has of the pouch that was left is a small area about the size of a baseball that hangs down from her chest at the bottom of the incision. It is soft now but when my vet saw her last it was hard in the center and my vet hoped it wasn't a third Lipoma that she had missed with all the blood she lost during the surgery but she hoped it was a hematoma because the drain was in the middle of the pouch before she pulled it out. I thought it was the skin that was left from the empty "pouch" and probably a hematoma and since it is now soft, it must have been the hematoma my vet suggested. You can't see it in the picture because when my son took it, he didn't include the bottom of her chest.

Anyway I am very happy it has turned out so well and I know my vet will be thrilled when she sees her next to find that it wasn't a third Lipoma that she missed.

Now that she is healthy but has the chronic renal failure, my goal is to improve her creatinine level as my vet thought it was higher because of the stress her body was under from the Lipoma. Pepper is scheduled to go back for her blood work in January.

BTW the reason she looks so sad in the pics I was holding her carrot so my son could take the picture and I wouldn't give it to her until he was done because she would have immediately run off with it. :LOL:
Thanks everyone :D

hazelrunpack
December 5th, 2008, 06:18 PM
She's looking absolutely marvelous and must be feeling even better than she looks!!! :cloud9: So happy to hear how well she's doing--saw you starting to post earlier in the day but you left before updating--had us worried :o We're worrywarts, y'know! :D Thanks for the report.

Sorry to hear about your family emergency! I hope that all worked out well :grouphug:

Karin
December 5th, 2008, 11:02 PM
I was going to post today and inquire about Pepper but I was getting bumped off line, I finally gave up.....
She looks Marvelous! You are doing a superb job.
I could use a bowl of what she's eating ...yum!

Frenchy
December 5th, 2008, 11:21 PM
I'm so happy for you and for her !! She must feel so much more comfy :cloud9: she looks good ! :lovestruck:

Good job dbg10 :highfive: :thumbs up

rainbow
December 6th, 2008, 01:13 AM
saw you starting to post earlier in the day but you left before updating--had us worried :o We're worrywarts, y'know! :D Thanks for the report.

Sorry to hear about your family emergency! I hope that all worked out well :grouphug:

Yep, me and Hazel were both wondering what happened when you left without finishing your post. I hope everything is okay re the family emergency. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

Glad that Pepper is continuing to do well :highfive:

I also couldn't see any sign of a lump.....she looks great. :thumbs up

Please keep us updated. :goodvibes:

growler~GateKeeper
December 7th, 2008, 01:03 AM
Pepper looks great :highfive: I'm so glad she's doing really well & back to eating lots :thumbs up Yay for skin shrinkage too!

dbg10
December 7th, 2008, 03:38 PM
I was puzzled when you guys said I left without finishing my post. For the life of me I couldn't remember leaving :laughing: Then I remembered :lightbulb: I had to resize and crop Pepper's pics before posting them and I had to leave to do that. :duh:

The family emergency is over and done with and everyone is fine now. :thumbs up I never stopped thinking about my promise to post more pics and tell you how she was. But a couple of days ago when I finally had time to post, I was embarrassed for not answering sooner and wondered if anyone would still be interested after all this time, not having been a member at pets.ca, for long. Everyone has been so supportive :grouphug: I decided it didn't really matter how long it had been, the point was to finish what I promised, then anyone who was still interested could hear about Pepper's recovery.

After all the help everyone gave me, I hope to be able to spend more time here helping others if I can :D


One incident that sticks out in my mind as being really cute. Pepper had been wearing the little shirt you see in the following picture since she came home from the vet. We used the shirt instead of an E-collar to prevent her licking her incision or taking off the bandage. The shirt is an XL bought at Petsmart, and was the only one I could find anywhere that would fit her, there were no larger sizes available. It was difficult to put on her because it could have been a size larger, so we decided to leave it on because I knew we'd be in for a fight if I tried to replace it.

So after her stitches were removed, we took it off and sent it to the laundry though she wasn't happy and kept going to my laundry basket to look at it.
When it was clean it had unfortunately shrunk and would have been impossible to put back on her. I was putting away the laundry and picked her shirt out of the laundry basket. As soon a she saw it she started trying to put her head inside it, so I draped it over he back and she went running off with it. When it dropped to the floor I decided to show her it was too small by putting it over her head. It was too tight but she spent the afternoon with the shirt around her neck, happy as a clam. I was amazed at her behaviour, she obviously recognized this shirt as hers and was going to have it no matter what :) She was so cute I wish I had another one that is bigger than the last so when it shrunk she could still wear it.

Pepper came from a man who was going into a nursing home 3 years ago and I think she must have worn her own shirt when she was younger. Too bad they didn't bring it with her when I adopted her.

She is such a character :D :clown: :crazy: :lovestruck:

Frenchy
December 7th, 2008, 05:25 PM
But a couple of days ago when I finally had time to post, I was embarrassed for not answering sooner and wondered if anyone would still be interested after all this time

Of course we're still interested ! :crazy:

Karin
December 7th, 2008, 06:21 PM
What Frenchy said...I have been worried about her! Sometimes no news means, well, enough of that.

That last pic....she looks like she is thinking.."you toucha my bone & I'm gonna breaka yur arm"

hazelrunpack
December 7th, 2008, 08:18 PM
How could we not be interested in Pepper! She's such a doll! :flirt: And she has an :angel: for an owner!

She looks absolutely stunning in her shirt. :lovestruck: And she seems to know it. :D Are you going to get her another, larger T this summer?

rainbow
December 7th, 2008, 08:26 PM
I agree with everyone. :thumbs up You are such a good fuzzbutt mom and we love folks like that. :grouphug:

Pepper looks lovely in her t-shirt :lovestruck: and hope she gets a new one for Christmas. :goodvibes:

And then, of course, we want pics posted in the Photo Forum here so more members will get to see how adorable she is. :thumbs up

Frenchy
December 7th, 2008, 08:31 PM
And then, of course, we want pics posted in the Photo Forum here so more members will get to see how adorable she is. :thumbs up

oh yes ! Pepper must have her own picture thread , will lots of pics !

And don't worry if you can't come back for a while , we'll still be here , waiting .... :mwaha:

:D

growler~GateKeeper
December 12th, 2008, 01:42 AM
So cute how much she loves her t-shirt, Pepper definately needs a new one for xmas :thumbs up

Very glad to hear she's been recovering well :highfive:

dbg10
December 20th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Pepper had her first major outing today, since her surgery. She has tired very easily until the last week or so, probably because of the anemia she had from the blood loss during her surgery. Today we took her for pictures with Santa sponsored by the Durham Humane Society and she was running like she used to before the Lipoma got so big it interfered with her walking. She pulled all the way through Vandemeer's Nursery running up to people and dogs to sniff them. She smiled almost continually while we were there. :thumbs up

Then we took her to Petsmart to look for a new T-shirt and some presents from Santa for both Pepper and the cats. She ran around Petsmart and tried to play with a GR puppy and her mate an adult black lab in the store. We had trouble getting them separated during play time. Unfortunately, I was unable to find a T-shirt that she was the least bit interested in, so I bought her a new bed to sleep on and a foot long soft vinyl squeeky turkey to play with. She will also have her treats from Santa but I cut back on them this year in hopes that her creatinine will be lower when we take her in January for her check-up. It was really thrilling to see her so happy and energetic for the entire afternoon out. I guess it is now time to increase the length of her walks to more than a block. :) :cloud9:

This afternoon I knew that the surgery was more than worth it for her because she is enjoying her freedom now that it's gone and obviously healed. There is still a small pouch of skin hanging down behind her right front leg but I know now that it is only extra skin left after the Lipoma removal and may well disappear in the next few months. She will be 12 years old at the end of January and I believe we may have several more years with her. :fingerscr

She is still enjoying her homemade diet of ground beef or chicken, sweet potatoes, spinach, rice soaked in gravy, eggs, egg whites and egg shells and I have recently added oatmeal to the mix to reduce the amount of meat/protein that she is getting.

I thought I'd bring everyone up-to-date on her progress because everyone has been wonderful throughout her illness :grouphug:

hazelrunpack
December 20th, 2008, 09:58 PM
What a great report!! :highfive: I can't tell you how heartwarming it is to hear that she's doing so well.

:o Well, maybe I can...I'm sure your heart must be warmed even more than mine! :D

:cloud9:

Merry Christmas to you and Pepper!! :grouphug:

Frenchy
December 20th, 2008, 10:24 PM
Such a nice update , of course she must be feeling so much better , and I'm sure you are too ! Pepper is back ! :highfive:

Too bad you couldn't find a new shirt but you can still post a pic of her in her new bed :pray:

chico2
December 21st, 2008, 07:36 AM
Great news,I'm very happy for you and Pepper:grouphug:
You said you went for pics with Santa,did I miss them somewhere???
Got to check;)

Chris21711
December 21st, 2008, 02:08 PM
What great news to hear that Pepper has progressed so well. :highfive:

rainbow
December 21st, 2008, 02:26 PM
What a wonderful update :highfive: ......YAY Pepper. :thumbs up

Love4himies
December 21st, 2008, 02:31 PM
Thank you for the update, I am so glad she is doing well.

mummummum
December 21st, 2008, 04:16 PM
Pepper ~ you are GORGEOUS! And what good news that, without the BIG LUMP you can make snow-angels like every other gal in the park. We call them the "happy dance" in my house ~ but there is no mistaking the pure, unleashed (bad pun I know) glee !

growler~GateKeeper
December 22nd, 2008, 12:27 AM
Wonderful update on Pepper :thumbs up I'm glad she was running around & playing again :grouphug:

dbg10
December 23rd, 2008, 01:39 PM
Great news,I'm very happy for you and Pepper:grouphug:
You said you went for pics with Santa,did I miss them somewhere???
Got to check;)

I was really surprised to find that the photographer had packed up and left over an hour before it was supposed to end. :shrug: I was very sad :sad: for the Durham Humane Society that obviously not many people showed up to have their pets picture taken. I thought after the fire there would be lots of people wanting to support them by having a picture with Santa taken. Don't know where all the people were the weather was beautiful on Saturday. :wall:

Sunday was a messy day so even though they told us the photographer would be back on then we couldn't get there because my driveway was plowed in. :sad:

Cookiesmom
September 12th, 2012, 12:02 PM
Wow! what a great thread! Last night I was looking for information on lipoma's as my 8 year old collie went in for surgery this morning for removal of a large lipoma on her chest. So glad I came across this thread, even though it is a few years old, it has provided me with so much helpful information. Thank you everyone who contributed to this, especially Pepper's mom. I just called my vet and Cookie's surgery was successful, no nerve damage thankfully. This was a concern as it looked like the lipoma may have extended to her armpit area. She has a drain in her for a few days, but is recuperating at the vets and I will bring her home later this afternoon.

So glad I found this thread as it really helped to ease my mind. Everyone who contributed on here were awesome!

hazelrunpack
September 12th, 2012, 01:09 PM
Good news about Cookie's surgery, Cookiesmom!!! :highfive: The drain will be a great help in reducing the chance of seroma. Keep us posted on her recovery! :D

dbg10
September 15th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Wow! what a great thread! Last night I was looking for information on lipoma's as my 8 year old collie went in for surgery this morning for removal of a large lipoma on her chest. So glad I came across this thread, even though it is a few years old, it has provided me with so much helpful information. Thank you everyone who contributed to this, especially Pepper's mom. I just called my vet and Cookie's surgery was successful, no nerve damage thankfully. This was a concern as it looked like the lipoma may have extended to her armpit area. She has a drain in her for a few days, but is recuperating at the vets and I will bring her home later this afternoon.

So glad I found this thread as it really helped to ease my mind. Everyone who contributed on here were awesome!

I am so glad this thread helped you. Pepper had a drain in her overnight only but had to wear pads over her incision for several days after the drain was removed. She stayed at the vet overnight as I'm sure you read ,mostly because of the blood she had been losing prior to the surgery.

She had an uneventful recovery from the surgery but her main meal was chicken livers to bring her iron and hemoglobin level back up and give her strength. I feel the chicken liver was the thing that really helped her get strong again, but unlike cookie, Pepper had been bleeding under the lipoma prior to surgery. She really found it so much easier to get around after the huge lump was gone and seemed much happier.

It makes me feel good knowing this thread helped someone else with their pup. So glad Cookie did well, please feel free to add to this thread as she gets better. It may be helpful to someone else to hear Cookie's story too.
:thumbs up