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puppies weight when it get older

TinaMcq
May 13th, 2008, 07:27 PM
HI anybody know how to figure out how much a dog will weigh when it gets old the mother is 9lbs and the father is 5lbs? I am just asking :shrug:

happycats
May 13th, 2008, 07:44 PM
All you do is ask questions about puppies on kijiji......do/did you even mourn poor Skipper??!! You should never get another dog, you didn't even care about skipper, to have him put to sleep and the same day (and even before) your looking for a new dog to destroy!!

Get a fish!!:mad:

Masha
May 13th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Tina, you seem to have a lot of "just asking" questions that sound like you are alrady shopping for a new puppy.

When puppies are teething they will bite, and since their baby teeth are very sharp they may draw some blood. What will happen then?


Please dont get another dog... Dogs are not for everyone and they are most definitely not disposable.

ancientgirl
May 13th, 2008, 08:14 PM
I agree with Masha. You have a small child, and had to put down one dog already. I'm wondering if your former dog even had aggression issues before you put him in your home. Dogs that are in homes with small children need supervision, mainly because small children don't know how to properly handle them. Ultimately they will sometimes get bitten, why? Because they were too rough with the dog or even cat.

Please, do not get another dog. You apologized in your other thread for letting us down. IMO, it's not us you let down.

TinaMcq
May 13th, 2008, 08:50 PM
excuse me for asking a question. I constantly think of Skipper and if any of you were put in the same situation some of you would had done the same thing. I don't reveil everything It wasen't Skippers first bit it was his fourth if you really need to know. I worked with him the best I could my son was to afraid of him. I don't care what any of you think I ask question and get nothing but fake rude people. I don't dispose of dogs I have had dogs all my life and all but Skipper died of old age or cancer so all of you can go to hell.

Frenchy
May 13th, 2008, 09:08 PM
e get nothing but fake rude people.

First of all , you haven't seen rude yet !!!

Second of all , you obviously aren't ready nor are you in a position to adopt.

Frenchy
May 13th, 2008, 09:09 PM
so all of you can go to hell.

No problem , I like it there , it's pretty hot. :D

happycats
May 13th, 2008, 09:14 PM
No problem , I like it there , it's pretty hot. :D

Yeah and that's where all the fun is!!:evil:

funny thing is she thinks she's going somewhere else!!:laughing:

BusterKitty
May 13th, 2008, 09:18 PM
As Frenchy said, no, you haven't seen rude yet. Get a fish first and once your child is older, MAYBE get another dog. You might even fall in love with the fish since it's pretty low maintenance =)

happycats
May 13th, 2008, 09:20 PM
As Frenchy said, no, you haven't seen rude yet. Get a fish first and once your child is older, MAYBE get another dog. You might even fall in love with the fish since it's pretty low maintenance =)

The kid is 10! and they live with grandma! maybe she needs to GROW UP before getting another dog!!

Fish is good!

14+kitties
May 13th, 2008, 09:44 PM
Tina - I have tried to stay out of this post. Now it's time to get involved.

It has upset me so much that Skipper was put down without giving him a chance. You were given so much good advice about things you could do to help him be better adjusted. You told us so many times about his aggression on the elevator. You asked our opinion about what you could do to help him. You never once took us up on any of our suggestions.

Did you get in touch with any shelters, rescues, so forth before you reached the decision to put him down? Did you get in touch with anyone who would work with him? No, you just put him down.

Please, I beg of you, before (and I hope it is not too late) you bring another dog into your life teach YOUR SON how to handle, be around, communicate with, be GENTLE with a dog. Because you know what, never once in all the pleas for help that you made, never once until the end did you admit to us that your son played rough with Skipper. That probably is what aided his aggresion. It sure didn't help.

I agree with everyone else. PLEASE do not get another poor puppy who will probably meet the same fate. Get a fish. At least they are flushable!

Frenchy
May 13th, 2008, 09:49 PM
Please, I beg of you, before (and I hope it is not too late) you bring another dog into your life

She already did , posted about it , but deleted the post.

14+kitties
May 13th, 2008, 10:03 PM
She already did , posted about it , but deleted the post.

Oh, that poor poor puppy. What has it to look forward to? :sad: Will her son teach it how to be aggresive too?

TinaMcq
May 13th, 2008, 10:12 PM
Somebody gave me a web link for doggonesafe something like that I have it in my favorites. I tried to find him other places I didn't know kijiji was not a good place. I am going through other issues that a pretty hard to handle which is not an excuse but without going into detail would be pretty bad if I had kept Skipper believe me when I say if I could have kept I would have. I wanted to find a different home, nobody is in my position and nobody should be so rude. I understand that people have a right to there own opinions and feelings. My son was afraid of Skipper my grandma was afraid of Skipper and I did try everything people said to try I wouldn't have asked if I didn't want the advice. Again I am sorry if I let people down but there is nothing anyone can say that could change the outcome. I loved him cared for him tried my best with him.

Yes I will admit that we got a puppy and I know its alot more work but we can teach him right from the beginning and we can socialize him right from the beginning we don't have him yet but will be soon getting him. I have talked and talked with my son we go over that site. I know its early I wasen't planning on getting this soon but it happened.

TinaMcq
May 13th, 2008, 10:22 PM
plus my son never made Skipper aggresive he was aggressive when I got him.

14+kitties
May 13th, 2008, 10:33 PM
I'm sorry Tina, I wasn't trying to be rude. Just trying to point out all of the options you had that you didn't take. Believe me, I can be ruder. :D A whole lot ruder!
There are so many of us on this site who go through hell and high water to do anything we can for our pets. Some of them have been very unhealthy but because of the owners hard work, love and determination they are still with them. Some of the other dogs have had large issues and the owners have worked with them constantly to correct this. Some of us look after a large, very large, number of animals because we know without us those animals would be dead. Some of us break piggybanks, search the couch, look under beds for spare change so we can feed our pets. Some of us have scars from cats and dogs being terrified of us but we know the best thing for them is to pick them up and take them to safety so we suffer the scars gladly. Some of us............ do you get the picture?

You have eluded to problems you are going through. We all go through problems. But we don't go out and get another dog after putting one to sleep the day before until those problems are solved!

It is not an easy task. It is 24/7. It is teaching everyone in your house how to correctly handle a dog. If the picture in your avatar is of your new dog then it does not look like a puppy. Why are the people getting rid of it? Does it have issues too? Have you spent time with it to see if you and your son and grandmother are suited to the dog? You couldn't have because this is all happening way too fast. You just got rid of Skipper the other day. Oh, I'm sorry, that was rude. :rolleyes:



but we can teach him right from the beginning and we can socialize him right from the beginning

Are you going to teach your son that too? He is 10 years old. Hardly a baby and very well old enough to know better!

Winston
May 13th, 2008, 10:35 PM
I am going to hold back any opinions I have at this time because this thread is really pissing me off...

I would like to suggest to you kindly that you seek some help! I dont mean this in a bad way...you have ALOT of questions and I honestly think you have made a hasty decision with getting another pet at this time. Having said that PLEASE seek some training advice for you and your family!

A dog needs a pack leader and I am sorry to say you are not! A dog needs stability and consistancy not just cuddles and kisses! PLEASE listen to the advice of those who have walked down the road of pet ownership and heed our advice!

Cindy

14+kitties
May 13th, 2008, 10:35 PM
plus my son never made Skipper aggresive he was aggressive when I got him.

Your son's behaviour sure as heck didn't help! And what did you do to stop it? Don't get me started. You should never ever have taken a dog with known issues into your house when you have a child who does not know how to handle it!

I think this is a lost cause. You think we are all attacking you when in reality we are trying to make you see you are not ready for another animal of any kind. You just aren't!

clm
May 13th, 2008, 10:45 PM
I dislike people who don't tell the truth, and this OP hasn't been straight about so many things when it came to the first dog and now this alleged pup. :shrug: If she's looking for attention, she's getting lots of it, but I'll never read another post from her again. Not worth the time or effort IMO.

Cindy

angeldogs
May 13th, 2008, 10:55 PM
You got another puppy.and it being a pup you can teach it right.did you ever think that skipper's aggression was learnt aggression.or medical.i was just at a seminar on behavioral therapy and training and the speaker was saying infected anal glands can cause aggression.so outside of training did you look into see if it was medical.you could have rehomed him and been up front with the biting and have them sign that they know he was a bitter and take full responsibility for him and his action as the new owners.aggression can be dealt with out having to be PTS

14+kitties
May 13th, 2008, 10:55 PM
Yes, she has the honour of being the only one on my ignore list. I had her on before but was stupid enough to try to help her. Not again.
Oh, and Tina, the PM you sent me was everything you had already said in here. No more excuses. Just please do a better job with this new poor baby.

rainbow
May 14th, 2008, 03:21 AM
Tina, I agree with what everyone has said to you.....not only in this thread but all the others. But, since you have unfortuneately already gotten another puppy, I would suggest that both you and your son take it to obedience school as you both have a lot to learn about raising a puppy.

Rottielover
May 14th, 2008, 07:07 AM
I was not going to jump into this thread because it brought back a flood of hurtful memories.
I had a dog named bear that I got from a no kill shelter, he was 5 years old, he was at the shelter for 3 1/2 years of his life in a garage with only 1 other dog as company.
When I took him out, that moment I knew he would be a lot of work, as he lunged in fear at everything that moved. He was great with me, great with old people, but anything, and anybody else you could see the fear in his eyes every time he lunged.
I did trainers, I did behaviorists for 3 years. Finally the day came where he could no longer go outside. Only time he felt safe was when the lights were off, blinds , windows closed and on my lap.
Then we went for a very early walk, away from cars and people. Then a truck came, he then threw me in front of a large truck and almost killed both of us.
I called my vet, spoke to her for hours, I did all that could be done to try to save this dog. I then made the hardest decision of my life and had him put down.
I just want to let everyone know, I do not know what the OP has tried to do, but not every dog can or should be saved from the demons in their heads.
Now I sit and cry

RIP Bear:rip:

Love4himies
May 14th, 2008, 07:23 AM
Tina, sorry to hear you got another puppy, I think it would have been better to wait and do some research on dogs.

What are you going to do if this one bites too, there are no guarantees. Please take everybody's advice and go for the training and listen to what the trainer tells you to do. These people on this forum have vast experience with dogs and know what they are talking about.

Rottielover: :grouphug:

danaekitty
May 14th, 2008, 08:57 AM
He did get put down, its been a horrible ordeal for all of us...

Skipper died of old age or cancer so all of you can go to hell.


WTF?!?:frustrated:



P.S.
I'm sorry that I did not see this post before I responded to your other one.
Happycats - if you're here, I hope we can still be e-friends!
Rottielover - thanks for your point of view, I think it was very important.:lovestruck:

14+kitties
May 14th, 2008, 09:38 AM
WTF?!?:frustrated:



P.S.
I'm sorry that I did not see this post before I responded to your other one.
Happycats - if you're here, I hope we can still be e-friends!
Rottielover - thanks for your point of view, I think it was very important.:lovestruck:


Once again danae - she did not say Skipper died of old age or cancer. She said all of her dogs BESIDES Skipper did. Likely story.

danaekitty
May 14th, 2008, 10:14 AM
Oops, I mis-read that post. Sorry!

happycats
May 14th, 2008, 11:05 AM
WTF?!?:frustrated:



P.S.
I'm sorry that I did not see this post before I responded to your other one.
Happycats - if you're here, I hope we can still be e-friends!
Rottielover - thanks for your point of view, I think it was very important.:lovestruck:

No problem, we're still efriends! :grouphug:;)

Chaser
May 14th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Here, a comprehensive list of shelter/rescue services in Ontario, including many no-kill organizations. Please print it and USE IT if you have any problems with your new puppy. This is not hard to do.

http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/onrescue.htm

And maybe it would be a good idea to spend less time posting and PMing trying to defend yourself and more time training your dog and your son? Opinions on here are simply that - our opinions. You never have to meet any of the members of this forum, so maybe you should just let it go. It sounds like you are wasting a lot of time and energy...and I don't think you will change any minds.

14+kitties
May 14th, 2008, 02:16 PM
I was not going to jump into this thread because it brought back a flood of hurtful memories.
I had a dog named bear that I got from a no kill shelter, he was 5 years old, he was at the shelter for 3 1/2 years of his life in a garage with only 1 other dog as company.
When I took him out, that moment I knew he would be a lot of work, as he lunged in fear at everything that moved. He was great with me, great with old people, but anything, and anybody else you could see the fear in his eyes every time he lunged.
I did trainers, I did behaviorists for 3 years. Finally the day came where he could no longer go outside. Only time he felt safe was when the lights were off, blinds , windows closed and on my lap.
Then we went for a very early walk, away from cars and people. Then a truck came, he then threw me in front of a large truck and almost killed both of us.
I called my vet, spoke to her for hours, I did all that could be done to try to save this dog. I then made the hardest decision of my life and had him put down.
I just want to let everyone know, I do not know what the OP has tried to do, but not every dog can or should be saved from the demons in their heads.
Now I sit and cry

RIP Bear:rip:

Rottielover - I don't think anyone was trying to say that all dogs are trainable/fixable. I just think maybe this one was. There were so many other options available besides the one that was taken. It was the easy way out. Way too easy.
You said you spent 3 years working with Bear :rip:. You tried your darnedest. IMO I don't think that is true with the OP. We have all tried to give advice. I never heard of any that was taken. Skipper was only 15 months old. Cockers may have a rep for being biters. Other dogs do as well. I just feel like this poor guy was handed a death sentence the day he was adopted. I just pray the same doesn't happen with the new puppy.

Ford Girl
May 14th, 2008, 02:37 PM
Yes I will admit that we got a puppy and I know its alot more work but we can teach him right from the beginning and we can socialize him right from the beginning we don't have him yet but will be soon getting him. I have talked and talked with my son we go over that site. I know its early I wasen't planning on getting this soon but it happened.


Can I just add..please please please do not assume that just because you get a dog from the litter they can or will not be aggressive. It's a big mistake to assume that. You got your new pup from a byb so the chances of bad breeding or inbreeding are very high, so no matter the breed or the day you get your dog, there is a chance the dog can be aggressive.

I live this everyday. I hand picked my golden from the litter, she wasn't abused or hurt before we got her, she was however from a byb, big mistake that we pay for every day of our lives. Huge. We did puppy kindergarden, 2 levels of obedience, agility training, play dates twice a week, off leash parks, hired a trainer, then a behaviorlist, solalized her allt he time, and my golden is dog aggressive and a bully.

Please trust me when I say if you assume that picking it from the litter will help you are dead wrong.

It's not the dog or where and when it came from, it's your situation and experience. If you haven't bettered your situation then how can this new dog be a better dog? What changes have you made to make it work this time around? Please take this dog to class as soon as possible, please train your grandmother and son to respect the dog at all times, teach your dog manners, excercise and socalize it.

This time around there are no excuses for your lack of leadership, do it right this time, redeem yourself so that no other animals is to blame for something that can be avoided. Good luck.

danaekitty
May 14th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Well-said, Ford Girl.
By the way, what does byb stand for and why is it bad?

14+kitties
May 14th, 2008, 02:45 PM
Well-said, Ford Girl.
By the way, what does byb stand for and why is it bad?

BYB = back yard breeder. People who only breed dogs for the money they can make selling them or breed two dogs together hoping to make tons of money because they came up with a new breed.
Basically driven by the same thing.......M.O.N.E.Y.

Ford Girl
May 14th, 2008, 02:49 PM
BYB = back yard breeder. People who only breed dogs for the money they can make selling them or breed two dogs together hoping to make tons of money because they came up with a new breed.
Basically driven by the same thing.......M.O.N.E.Y.

Money, and for the fun of it, "oh, just one litter". Read the back yard breeder info on here, very good!!!

http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/links.htm

bendyfoot
May 14th, 2008, 02:55 PM
BYB=Back Yard Breeder.

I have a BYB dog too, also a huge mistake but I didn't know any better, and now that I'm better educated would never repeat the mistake.

BYBs are people who happen to have an unfixed dog (or cat) that they happen to think is pretty special, and they just happen to have or find another dog of the opposite sex, and they make puppies, more often than not, simply in order to make a few bucks, or to experience the "miracle of birth" or to "teach the kids responsibility" or some other equally terrible reason to breed.

The problem? These people know nothing about breeding, about the health risks and issues for the parents or the puppies, they know nothing about pedigree, genetic/hereditary diseases, sanitation and transmission of disease, they usually don't provide adequate vet care, and in the end...

suckers like me who don't know better end up with dogs with terrible health, weak nerves, end up spending thousands of dollars at the vet trying to help their beloved pets, and, like me, just end up with broken hearts.

Our dog is 15 months old, is a foreleg amputee, and is now dealing with serious hip displasia that will require a total hip replacement to repair, and we haven't got a clue how she's going to manage the recovery period with only two good legs. She is prone to stress. She has a terrible appetite and we have to practically BEG her to eat each and every meal. For a German Shepherd, she is dumb as a post. Luckily, she's sweet as pie, happy considering her health issues, and is wonderful with people, including children, and is great with our cats, but things could have been much worse. Her great personality is about the only thing she has going for her.

Not to mention, while BYBs are pumping out sickly puppies by the thousands, there are millions of animals in shelters that don't get homes, and are euthanized.

Personally, I think all BYBs are scum. They're no different from puppy mills.

Reality
May 14th, 2008, 03:04 PM
I tried that web link ford girl but it wouldn't work?

Ford Girl
May 14th, 2008, 03:15 PM
I tried that web link ford girl but it wouldn't work?

Oh, it worked for me when i just tried it again. Maybe goodle: No Puppy Mills Canada. This site was promoted when Oprah did her show. Or you can goodle back yard breeding and find all kinds of details. Most spca and rescue sites have links to info on byb and puppymills.

I agree 100% Bendy, I have had so many health issues with my girl, and I fear things like hip dysplacia...she's only 18 months old and we have spent thousands. She is a sweetie to humans, and of course she's my baby, but the aggression totally blind sided us. :shrug: I will never make that mistake again.

t.pettet
May 14th, 2008, 09:08 PM
Poor Skipper. We all had a vested interest in Skipper and he deserved so much better. If you cannot handle this new pup please do not put him to sleep, contact one of us on this site and we can re-hab him and find him a suitable home. I wished I had known your plans for Skipper as I would have been willing to work out his issues.

TinaMcq
May 14th, 2008, 09:34 PM
I agree with everything you said FordGirl however this thread was asked how do you tell what the weight will be when the dog gets bigger? NO one has answered but most people feel the need to discuss Skipper I have asked the admin to close this thread for being off topic and being insulted. I know people feel strongly about animals and they have every right however I don't need to be insulted in the process.

aslan
May 14th, 2008, 09:38 PM
No one can honestly answer that question, and if you knew anything about dogs you'd know that. There could be a 50lb dog in one of the dogs backgrounds. This is why you don't buy off kiijii or from byb. And this is why you research and learn about animals before you go out and take on the responsibility for a helpless life.

mafiaprincess
May 14th, 2008, 11:38 PM
It's a guessing game. There are dogs over and under breed standard in every breed. There is no way to tell you what it would weigh especially when it comes from a non reputable source.

TinaMcq
May 15th, 2008, 05:30 AM
Thank you I didn't know if there is a way to tell or not I have seen some ads that say these dogs won't be more then so many lbs when adult so I thought there was some way to tell what the weight was.

mafiaprincess
May 15th, 2008, 11:27 AM
People who make weight claims like that are crappy breeders trying to suck people in for itty bitty dogs. No breeder who was decent would guarantee weight, because you can't.

Love4himies
May 15th, 2008, 11:44 AM
That is the same as asking parents how much their children will grow? The pup will probably be between the two weights of the parents, but no guarantees.

Shaykeija
May 16th, 2008, 12:01 AM
HI anybody know how to figure out how much a dog will weigh when it gets old the mother is 9lbs and the father is 5lbs? I am just asking :shrug:


Why worry a bout that? With as 10 year old in the house who might get bit again, I think that in about 6 months we will experience deja vous. Perhaps this time you can get this poor dog to a rescue in time to save it's life...

TinaMcq
May 16th, 2008, 06:23 AM
I agree with everything you said FordGirl however this thread was asked how do you tell what the weight will be when the dog gets bigger? NO one has answered but most people feel the need to discuss Skipper I have asked the admin to close this thread for being off topic and being insulted. I know people feel strongly about animals and they have every right however I don't need to be insulted in the process.

This is for anyone who wants to answere the question. If you can't then don't reply simple. I will not discuss the other topic I don't need to be constantly reminded.

danaekitty
May 16th, 2008, 08:13 AM
No one can honestly answer that question, and if you knew anything about dogs you'd know that. There could be a 50lb dog in one of the dogs backgrounds. This is why you don't buy off kiijii or from byb. And this is why you research and learn about animals before you go out and take on the responsibility for a helpless life.

It's a guessing game. There are dogs over and under breed standard in every breed. There is no way to tell you what it would weigh especially when it comes from a non reputable source.

People who make weight claims like that are crappy breeders trying to suck people in for itty bitty dogs. No breeder who was decent would guarantee weight, because you can't.

That is the same as asking parents how much their children will grow? The pup will probably be between the two weights of the parents, but no guarantees.

Tina - You have 4 legitimate answers there, and they are all the same - THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL. So I would say there's your answer, and if you don't want to be insulted about Skipper anymore, just unsubscribe from this thread and let it die.

NO one has answered but most people feel the need to discuss Skipper I have asked the admin to close this thread for being off topic and being insulted.
This is for anyone who wants to answere the question. If you can't then don't reply simple. I will not discuss the other topic I don't need to be constantly reminded.

TinaMcq
May 16th, 2008, 06:04 PM
how do you do that? I don't know how to close it.

aslan
May 16th, 2008, 06:46 PM
just stop posting in it and no one will feel the need to answer you.

danaekitty
May 16th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Tina - to unsubscribe - when you get the email telling you that someone has posted in your thread, it will say further down "To unsubscribe from this thread, please visit this page" and you click on the llink and you won't get any more emails telling you about this thread. And yes, as Aslan says, it would also help if you aren't writing in it.

Maybe, after awhile, you may be able to post questions about your current dog, since you now have one, and the members will answer, knowing as they do that all pet owners need support for the sake of their pets.

Or you could join another forum that doesn't know about Skipper. :shrug:

Good luck with your new puppy.