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Maks is eating raw!

ancientgirl
May 12th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Okay, so I've been transitioning the Fantastic Four to wellness grain free. It's a slow process, but I've got them eating half and half now, which is farther than I've ever gotten before. Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, I got a sample bag of Natures Variety pre-packaged raw. I tried giving them all a taste, just a little. enough for them to sniff and get a bit if they were interested. The only one who showed any amount of interest was Maks.

Well, this weekend he ate an entire medallion on his own, and tonight he ate two. He literally scarfed them down. So I think my little guy is a convert. I have enough in the sample bag to get him through the next few days. When I get paid, I'll go by Dog Bar and get a bag, plus I have a coupon for a free bag.

I'm hoping the others will eventually want to give what he's eating a try and decide they like it, but for now at least I have one eating raw. Even if the others don't like it, as long as they all eventually can get on wellness alone I'll be happy.

sugarcatmom
May 12th, 2008, 08:04 PM
That's fantabulous!! Way to go Maks, and way to go you, for not giving up. :thumbs up

ancientgirl
May 12th, 2008, 08:35 PM
I'm so thrilled and quite proud of him. At first I thought I'd have to keep a watch out, to make sure any leftovers weren't left out for too long, but he didn't even leave any leftover! I put his plate down, and turned my back to wash up some dishes, and by the time I finished he was done! I got him the Lamb so I figure I'll stick with that and then maybe at some point get another sample bag of a different flavor, just so he doesn't get tired of the Lamb.

want4rain
May 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM
*laughs* YAY! for you and YAY! for Maks!!!

i can say from experience, the rest is all down hill from here!! once one eats it, the others eventually decide its not gonna kill him. you can call him Canary now, the other 3 are! :laughing::laughing:

-ash

ancientgirl
May 12th, 2008, 09:27 PM
LOL, that's what I'm hoping. I hope they get curious enough to want to have a taste. When I tried to give them some before, the other three sniffed what I had, then turned away. Maks sniffed and licked it, then took the little piece and ate it. I think he's a little more adventurous with his food than the others :D.

If I hadn't found those that pre-packaged stuff I don't think I could have done it. For now, I'm just not brave enough to make their food for them. At least I know this food has all of the things they need in as far as vitamin's and supplements. And the best part, there is a place a few blocks away from my office and another place on my way home that sells Nature's Variety. They also sell another brand, which I have to get the name of so I can look it up online.

BusterKitty
May 12th, 2008, 10:50 PM
Yay! I've been following your transition through your many posts but never commented until now. Way to go, Maks!:thumbs up

onster
May 12th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Yay that's so great ancient!!!

Im sure the other kitties will give it a try when they see how enthusiastic he is about it :thumbs up

growler~GateKeeper
May 13th, 2008, 01:37 AM
Way to go Maks & Ancientgirl :thumbs up

Love4himies
May 13th, 2008, 07:20 AM
That is great news, ancientgirl. Keep the raw out just incase Vlad, Oksana or Kiska gets interested too.

When my foster kittens were eating raw and supplimented with cat food, they much preferred raw!

ancientgirl
May 13th, 2008, 08:48 AM
Thanks everyone. It's all him though, he just loves it and has given me no trouble at all! I gave him two more medallions this morning and he ate it all within a minute! He went to go have a bite of the other's food, which he usually does, but today he just turned his nose up LOL. Then he kept yelling (meowing) at me for more! I set out three in a rubbermaid container dish to thaw out. Thing is, he doesn't even give the others a chance to investigate what he's eating. He leaves none behind. I read the feeding recommendation on the pouch and it starts at 10 pounds, which is 4 to 5 medallions a day. He's just below 9 pounds so I'm thinking if I give him 6 a day that should be good right? He's a growing kitty after all.

I have to go by the Dog from Ipanema on my way home, which is the one close to my house, and get a small pouche. Those are inexpensive and will be more than enough to last me until I get paid Thursday. Then Thursday when I leave the office I can go by The Dog Bar, which is the place near my job that I got the free coupon for. I think the free coupon is for a small pouch so I can try a different flavor for him. I wash my hands then break up the medallion for him, and I love that I can feel little pieces of bone and stuff. He looks so cute chewing away:lovestruck:

He loves the Lamb so far, and I want to try giving him either venison or rabbit. I'm a little wary of feeding him beef, since I've recently read some issues with beef, and inspections and mad cow and such. Bah!

Society is injecting these poor cows to the point where they are poisoning their own food supply. This is one of the most minor reasons I'm happy I became a vegetarian.

Love4himies
May 13th, 2008, 09:01 AM
I am so happy for you, this is so much better than cat food. :thumbs up

ancientgirl
May 13th, 2008, 09:08 AM
Thanks. I'm happy to have one eating raw. Hopefully, as some of you guys said, it's a snowball effect. I think the hardest one to convince will probably be Oksana. She's super picky! At least though they're transitioning well to the Wellness, so I'm pleased about that too. Even if the others never touch raw, if they can eat Wellness I'll feel better about what they are eating.

Winston
May 13th, 2008, 09:53 PM
Ancientgirl! I bought some of those medallions tonight and both of them looked at it and walked away...:wall: once again....How did you give it to Max? and about how much? I tried about a 1/4 of the medallion and it is still sitting there...also how long can you leave it out for?

Cindy

14+kitties
May 13th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Wtg Maks!! At least one knows the good stuff. :)
I wish I could afford to feed mine raw all the time. I am working on it. Anyone know any rich guys with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel? :rolleyes: Either that or the winning numbers for 6/49??

sugarcatmom
May 13th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Ancientgirl! I bought some of those medallions tonight and both of them looked at it and walked away...:wall: once again....

It can take a while for some kitties to get that raw is edible, and sometimes even longer for them to like it. For one, it has much less smell compared to commercial food, and cats are hugely influenced by smell when it comes to appetite. The other issue is that commercial food, particularly kibble, is pumped full of flavour enhancers, which raw diets don't have.

Then you have to deal with the suspicious nature of felines and how their attitude towards food is often set at an early age. In order to overcome this, it's a good idea to work very slowly when introducing something new. You can get them used to the smell of the raw by leaving small bits of it on a plate next to their regular food. After a few days of that (changing the "bits" every so often) you can try mixing a teensy amount (no more than 1/2 tsp) in with a favourite canned food. If they eat that, slowly increase the amount of raw in proportion to canned over many days or weeks, whatever it takes.

Warming up the raw to at least room temperature (mouse temp is ideal) makes it more appealing for most cats (do this by putting the container of raw in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes). Other tricks are to cover the raw in something so irresistibly tasty and smelly (tuna/salmon juice, plain meat baby food, parmesan cheese, crumbled treats, freeze-dried liver powder, nutritional yeast, etc) that the cats at least give it a lick. Even if they don't eat it all with gusto, that's a start. Be patient, and with a little creativity thrown in, you can do this!


...also how long can you leave it out for?


I've left raw out for a few hours with no problem. It tends to dry up and lose it's appeal after an hour or so, which means it's not as likely to be consumed after that point, but who knows, maybe your cats would prefer it "jerky" style.

growler~GateKeeper
May 13th, 2008, 11:18 PM
He loves the Lamb so far, and I want to try giving him either venison or rabbit. I'm a little wary of feeding him beef, since I've recently read some issues with beef, and inspections and mad cow and such. Bah!

When you get him up to full raw he will need a red meat either beef, elk or bison about 3-4 times per week. Beef (the heart especially) is naturally high in taurine which is essential for cats health. Keep Lamb as his main protein source for the first 2 weeks, adding in new proteins one per week ie add beef one day this week, rabbit one day one day & beef another day next week

how long can you leave it out for?

Shouldn't have it out longer than 30 mins and not more than 1 hour, remember this is raw meat. ;) Duffy's been on raw only, for a few months now (local supplier not NV) and turns her nose up at it if its been out for more than 40 mins

ancientgirl
May 14th, 2008, 09:03 AM
Ancientgirl! I bought some of those medallions tonight and both of them looked at it and walked away...:wall: once again....How did you give it to Max? and about how much? I tried about a 1/4 of the medallion and it is still sitting there...also how long can you leave it out for?

Cindy

SCMom gave some good advice about introducing, which I will be doing with the other 3.

Growler, I also read the same about leaving it out. 30 min. I'll go back and get some of the beef ones then. I'd like to be able to give him a good variety, but if the beef has the taurine he needs I can give that to him a couple of times a week.

Winston, I tried giving them pieces a few weeks ago. They ALL turned their noses up. Then this weekend I decided to give it another try and again took some pieces and tried giving it to them. Maks gave one a lick then put it in his mouth and came back for more. I gave him the entire medallion and he ate it with no problem. I went back and gave him the other one I had thawed. He's a little less than 9 pounds, and the package suggested portions start at 10 pounds, which is to feed 4 to 5 medallions a day. I've been giving Maks 3 at each meal, which he gets two a day so he's up to 6 medallions a day. The others are still wary.

I think it's like the others say, some take to it right away, and others you have to work a little harder. I'll tell you though, it sure brings a smile to my face seeing how much he loves his food. He sits there and eats every little bit!

ancientgirl
May 14th, 2008, 09:07 AM
Wtg Maks!! At least one knows the good stuff. :)
I wish I could afford to feed mine raw all the time. I am working on it. Anyone know any rich guys with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel? :rolleyes: Either that or the winning numbers for 6/49??

LOL, I'm looking for one of those decrepit rich guys myself! Not to mention, I've been playing the lottery weekly too! Some thing's got to give! We have to get some money coming in somehow!

But you know, the packages I buy Maks are 1 pound packages and cost about $5. Maybe you can get a small package and give some to your little ones once a week as a treat.

I was pretty surprised because the larger packages weren't as expensive as I thought. Still not cheap, though, just not an arm and a leg.

sugarcatmom
May 14th, 2008, 09:43 AM
Shouldn't have it out longer than 30 mins and not more than 1 hour, remember this is raw meat. ;)


You'd be surprised. For the same reasons that cats can even eat raw meat in the first place, they can typically handle meat that's been left out for longer periods of time than humans would ever be comfortable with. I think it's all about your own comfort level and that of your cat. When I first started feeding raw, I also would pick it up after about half an hour. Now I just leave it until it's finished or it's clear that my cat isn't going to eat it (often 3-4 hours or more). There are a great many raw feeders on another board I belong to that do the same. But ya, do what you're comfortable with.

ancientgirl
May 14th, 2008, 09:53 AM
:laughing:I haven't gotten to that point yet. Maks doesn't leave anything behind for me to pick up. It's gone within a 2 minutes. I'm starting to wonder if he's eating it too fast.

ancientgirl
May 14th, 2008, 09:38 PM
Growler, I just read some stuff on that link you put on Tommysmom's post. I didn't know there was a detox period. Luckily, I haven't noticed anything different in Maks, but I did have a question about supplements. Do you guys here give your cats supplements or do they just get whatever the pre-packaged raw has? I'm getting some beef medallions this week for the taurine, but I'm wondering if I should be giving him anything else?

growler~GateKeeper
May 14th, 2008, 09:42 PM
I'd like to be able to give him a good variety, but if the beef has the taurine he needs I can give that to him a couple of times a week.

Absolutely give him as much variety as he likes, alternating proteins each day, but still get in the red meat 3-4 times a week. Remember to only introduce 1 new protein per week, gives the digestive system time to get used to new stuff.

growler~GateKeeper
May 14th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Growler, I just read some stuff on that link you put on Tommysmom's post. I didn't know there was a detox period. Luckily, I haven't noticed anything different in Maks, but I did have a question about supplements. Do you guys here give your cats supplements or do they just get whatever the pre-packaged raw has? I'm getting some beef medallions this week for the taurine, but I'm wondering if I should be giving him anything else?

Not every animal goes through the detox, some that do it's barely noticable.

For supplements Duffy gets a probiotic in breakfast and dinner, the local pre-packed raw she eats has wild salmon oil, cod liver oil and full spectrum vit e already in it. She also gets butternut squash added to prevent constipation due to her kidney issues.

ancientgirl
May 15th, 2008, 08:41 AM
I was just reading the package of the Nature's Variety ingredients, and it lists Salmon oil and Olive oil. I have to take Kiska and another kitty that's a stray in to see the vet this weekend. I'll take the package with me and ask her if there is anything she thinks I can add to his diet then.

I also noticed an ingredient I'm a bit confused about, which I'm going to look up. It lists something called Montmorillonite Clay. WTH is that?

sugarcatmom
May 15th, 2008, 02:16 PM
I also noticed an ingredient I'm a bit confused about, which I'm going to look up. It lists something called Montmorillonite Clay. WTH is that?

Source of minerals. Supposedly has some healing properties as well, but I don't really know if that applies to cats.

ancientgirl
May 15th, 2008, 02:21 PM
I did a bit of reading and as you said, it's a healing type of mineral, and also like a binding agent. It mentioned something about keeps their poop firm and also protects against some toxins.

As long as it's something edible and in small amounts, and helpful to them, I suppose it's okay. LOL, when I see clay, I think of pottery, I didn't imagine it could be anything they could eat.

ancientgirl
May 16th, 2008, 09:30 AM
I had a coupon for a free 3 pound bag of the Natures Variety. So on my way home, I got Maks a bag of the lamb, which I know he loves and some beef. This morning I gave him beef and lamb. I mixed it up but left plenty of chunks. Maks didn't seem to like the beef as much as the lamb. For the first time he actually left a bit behind. I gave him two of each. I think next time I'll just give him one medallion. Or since I'm only going to give him the beef 2 or 3 times a week I can give him two and let him eat what he can.

I did notice Kiska came around sniffing, which made little guy quite angry. LOL, I heard him growl for the first time. I was washing the dishes and at first I thought it was the pipes. But when I turned off the faucet I heard it and looked down at him, and he was giving little sis the eye! It's kind of funny when one growls, because the others just stop and look like saying "What's the heck is your problem?"

I'd like to try some of the other kinds. When the little sample package I got him last week is finished, I'll go back and get him one of the others. He hasn't yet tried the venison, rabbit or chicken. I'm pretty sure he'll like the chicken though.

growler~GateKeeper
May 17th, 2008, 12:39 AM
When you are raw feeding you should only feed one protein per day ie if you give lamb for breakfast, he gets lamb for dinner - lamb is the only meat he gets that day. Different protein digest at different rates and mixing meats makes it alittle hard on their tummys.

The other reason for not mixing meats is if he's not too sure about beef and you mix it in w/lamb, he may not like the lamb the next time you give it to him cuz he remembers it tasted different last time.

For the venison does it list exactly what meat that is? The term "Vension" can be applied to any animal killed by hunting ie deer, elk, moose, reindeer, hare , antelope

ancientgirl
May 17th, 2008, 07:17 AM
Thanks growler, I didn't know not to mix. I gave him just lamb this morning with no issue. Didn't leave even a tiny morsel. I'll have to have a look at the venison ingredient and see what it is.

Thing is, he really doesn't seem keen on beef, and now he won't touch any of the canned I give to the others, which I've finally been able to switch completely to Wellness. I see a potential problem, in that if we get hit by a hurricane this year, it's more than likely I'll be out of power at some point. In the last few years we've been hit twice with loss of power. Once it was over a week, and another time it was just a couple of days. My fear is not being able to keep his raw unspoiled if I've got no power for several days.

I noticed Natures Variety has a freeze dried product which I might have to try just to see if he'll eat it.

Love4himies
May 17th, 2008, 07:24 AM
Have you noticed any difference in Maks's fur since you switched??

ancientgirl
May 17th, 2008, 07:42 AM
Ever since he got over his scabies, he always had naturally soft fur, like Oksana. (Oksana's fur is unbelievably soft). I have noticed his fur seems to feel slightly more oily though. I'm thinking it might be part of that detoxing i read about. He's only been on it fully for a week, so I'm hoping the detox will be be finished and his fur will be nice and soft again.:D

ancientgirl
June 3rd, 2008, 09:30 PM
Well, for a couple of weeks I had Maks on raw and he was enjoying it. I decided to give beef a try and he hated it. Didn't have but a few bites then started eating Kiska's food. I went back to the Lamb, but he's not eating it with the same gusto he was. He eats a little bit of it then walks away and leaves it. Doesn't come back to it at all.

On the up side, I've finally been able to get the rest of the gang completely off of the Fancy Feast! They are all eating Wellness grain free. Since Maks has turned his nose up to the raw, he's also eating the Wellness. So I can't complain, since it's taken me what seems like forever to get them off of FF and fully on Wellness.

14+kitties
June 3rd, 2008, 09:59 PM
I wouldn't call it a setback. He is on Wellness which is great! Maybe not as great as raw but better than FF.
I wish I could afford to feed my guys that but man, way too much!!! I have got my little tyke on Eagle Pack and he is turning his nose up at that and eating the cheaper stuff (FF) the others get. Little begger.:rolleyes:
Keep up the good work!! Is Czarina getting Wellness too?

ancientgirl
June 4th, 2008, 08:36 AM
Yeah, he really likes the Wellness, like the others so it's not all bad. When I was feeding them FF I always got the wheat gluten free kind and in the grand scheme of things, out of all the less expensive foods, I think that was the best I could find.

Czarina eats Innova dry. Since she's still outside. I'm bringing her in on Saturday afternoon. She's going to get a quick check up at the vet and a bath, since she's absolutely filthy:laughing: The last time I had her inside she didn't much like the canned, but I can try giving it to her this time around to see if she takes to it.

Love4himies
June 4th, 2008, 08:44 AM
That's too bad. The foster kittens won't eat kibble, I tried some orijen for them so they would have something to munch on through out the day, but they sniffed it and ignored it for days. Raw is what they prefer but will eat Kitten Wellness canned.

I am trying to get Sweet Pea on raw now. Left her a spoonful beside her Organics by Nature this morning so I'll see if she eats any through out the day. She was eating it when she was nursing so I know she'll eat it if she is hungry enough.

ancientgirl
June 4th, 2008, 08:59 AM
I think the beef just really turned him off. Up to that point, he was really enjoying it and would finish the lamb I'd put down for him.

I'm not going to force him. I'll give him the wellness, because at least I know that's good for them all. And later I can always try it again. Maybe he just needs to forget he didn't like the beef then he will give it another try.

Love4himies
June 4th, 2008, 09:28 AM
How many medalions was he eating a day?

My foster kittens who are about 2 lbs now will eat:14 medalions, and almost two cans of kitten wellness (tiny FF size cans). So thats 3.5 medalions each and half can Wellness per day.

ancientgirl
June 4th, 2008, 09:46 AM
He was having about 5 a day, which is what the package said to give him according to his weight. He's about 9 pounds. I've still got to get my hands on a scale for them. I'd been wanting to monitor his and Vlad's weight.

Love4himies
June 4th, 2008, 09:58 AM
That's what I thought a full grown cat would eat. These kittens are only 2 lbs and they eat as much as a full grown cat! There poor momma would not be able to hunt enough for these guys!

ancientgirl
June 4th, 2008, 10:06 AM
They have good appetite. Maks has always been a big eater too. I think he eats more than Vlad even. :eek: