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another dog pulling question.....

Kari
June 28th, 2004, 01:47 PM
Ive been reading through Catt's thread and thought I better start my own......
Bailey (my beagle mix) is a real puller (and strong for only 30 lbs) I recently got her the martingale collar that was pictured in the other thread because she would sometimes back out of her reg collar. 9got it from our trainer and we like it) I also have a harness that we got for her in the beginning. the other night we went for a walk and started to jsut use the collar and she pulled and pulled..... I tried the stopping that our trainer suggested and it didnt matter - no matter how long I stood still she kept pulling. I finally put the harness on her and she was much better. and my husband things the GL would be the best bet... she does pretty good walking in training class because its indoor and not as much distractions, but outside its much different! Im jsut wondering if I keep working on walking with the normal collar until she gets it - and if so, are there some other methods to try? or shoudl I jsut always use a harness or GL with her??

Lucky Rescue
June 28th, 2004, 02:02 PM
no matter how long I stood still she kept pulling

That didn't work with my dog either. What finally worked was turning very ABRUPTLY about-face and walking quickly in the other direction. I did this while using the Martingale collar. I also said "NO PULL!" when I turned the other way. Now, the words No Pull are usually enough to remind my dog to stop it.

I've never used a GL and don't really like them for a number of reasons.

You might want to use a prong collar in addition to the about-face, but if she does well with the harness, just keep on with that.

Kari
June 28th, 2004, 02:13 PM
what dont you like about the GL's? I have never used them, so Im jsut curious........
what is the prong collar? I think I have seen it, but not sure and I dont know waht it does..... I am so paranoid about choking her (because I had dog who died from a collapsed trachea when Iwas young) but I dont want to jsut let her get away with this behavior either! (know waht I mean? ;) )

Lucky Rescue
June 28th, 2004, 03:47 PM
Prong collars look barbaric, but are much safer than choke collars, because they do NOT choke the dog. The tips of the prongs are rounded and merely give a little pinch, and the pressure is evenly distributed around the neck. I've tried it on my own arm and it does not hurt.

Choke collars worn by dogs who continue to pull can cause severe tracheal damage, which prongs do not.

If you decide to try a prong, let us know and we can instruct you in proper use of it, or you can ask your trainer.

http://www.cobankopegi.com/prong.jpg

Goldenmom
June 28th, 2004, 05:02 PM
I highly recommend this sporn control harness. This is the newest rage for pullers. It tightens around their body, instead of their face like the Gentle Leaders. I have friends with Goldens with them and I am going tonight to get a couple for my girls. They are $14.99 at Walmart.

http://www.sporn.com/

Heather

Spoiled
June 28th, 2004, 05:06 PM
what dont you like about the GL's?

These are my reasons:

Dogs behave while they are on, but don't when they are taken off
Dogs can injur their necks if they don't respond to them properly
Dogs don't like the feel of them on their nose, and they rub constantly.
They don't always work.



Begin by walking forward. When your dog begins to pull, say "NO PULLING" and back up or turn around quickly and begin to go forcfuly in that direction, but not to strongly that your dog gets scared and doesn't want to come. I'm sure that you can find a way to keep her from pulling. :)

Kari
June 28th, 2004, 08:02 PM
Thanks so much everyone - i am going to try the "about face" method with her current collars first and see what we can do...... but I do like both the sporn and prong collars if we need to do that....

Goldenmom
June 28th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Kari, my opinion only. Try everything first, before the prong. This is for larger dogs usually and I wouln't use one personally. The Gentle Leader is a much more humane training device, as is the harness. Do some reading if the prong collar is what you think you might want to try. For a smaller breed like yours, a harness would be great. There are all kinds of beagles and poodles with them on around our neighborhood.

Heather

Luba
June 28th, 2004, 08:29 PM
I prefer gentle leaders.

Doing off leader and only collar training in time will help you 'perhaps' graduate off the GL!!

I wouldn't use a GL on a puppy but adult dogs do just fine!!

BTW Sadie lady got her Martingale collar today (it's a knock off) but I'm gonna try it out on her!! :D

Kari
June 29th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Thanks Luba and "GM" - I really appreciate your opinions :) I guess there isnt anythign wrong with her walking with a harness for walks, Im just feel "torn" in a way because I know that following scents (and thus pulling like crazy) are part of being a beagle, but I do want to be able to enjoy walks or runs with her without being pulled or tripped! :rolleyes: I hope Im not expecting too much.

Kari
June 29th, 2004, 12:49 PM
also - Luba, let us know what you think of your martingale collar! ours is a knock off also, but I do like it. I get afraid on walks when she is pulling so much taht she will hurt her trachea (which is why I go back to the harness for that) but for other things I feel much more comfortable that she isnt goign to twist or back out of her collar anymore!

LavenderRott
June 29th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Missy has a prong collar. This is a must for walks as she will pull until she has to stop to vomit.

Luba
June 29th, 2004, 12:56 PM
Well our first walk last night with the martingale
Much better for 'her' lol then a choker but she's a puller especially when another dog is around. Who would think a 7mon old puppy could be so strong.

Well, looks like I got some additional training to get started on.

She's fine but when she see's another dog she's a tonka truck pull pull pull!

Tomorrow is her dentist appt (wish us luck) maybe she gets her braces off if all is well and gets spayed tomorrow too :D

Kari
June 29th, 2004, 12:58 PM
Thanks LR - is training helping Missy ? or is a special collar the only thing that works? and the prong isnt any "harder" on her than a larger dog?
I know having a beagle mix also, you probably understand what Im saying!

Goldenmom
June 29th, 2004, 01:04 PM
Missy has a prong collar. This is a must for walks as she will pull until she has to stop to vomit.


But Kari is talking about a beagle. I don't think the prong collar is recommended for this breed of dog. I know that I would never put it on a smaller breed.

Sorry, I just saw that your dog is a beagle mix. Have you tried a harness? I am personally against the prong, but that is a whole nother issue. To each their own....

Heather

Kari
June 29th, 2004, 06:19 PM
LavenderRott, out of curiousity, how big is your beagle mix? and what is she mixed with?
I am going to start with what I have (harness and martingale collars) and try training methods with those. (my husband says I tend to "throw money- that I dont have- at problems" :o ) if I dont have success, I can decide on another option at that point, right? ;)

Bill & Bob
June 29th, 2004, 10:17 PM
Yow, a woman at the pet shop suggested the prong collar. When I actually saw it I recoiled almost in horror. The thing looks like some kind of S&M device or something from Hellraiser! I understand that they don't stab the dog or anything, but yowwie! Couldn't they have made them a little more pleasing to the eye? I just couldn't get one for Bob. His Martingale knock off is doing pretty well.

Luba
June 29th, 2004, 10:42 PM
Okay I must be doing something wrong with this martingale knock off lol
She won't stop pulling if another dog is around or she's afraid of something

I'm pretty sure I have it adjusted appropriately but any suggestions would be welcome, I've never used this collar before.

Tonight was a cruddy walk with her pulling on two occassions for (2) separate dogs and then when she became afraid of kids playing basketball (basketball densensitization coming soon to Luba's lol)

Oye

The choker works much better but I HATE using it. We're doing training but she's still young and I'm so worried about her neck.

Perhaps I have this Martingale on incorrectly.

?

Suggestions

Kari
June 30th, 2004, 01:21 PM
well, I attempted to take Bailey for a walk last night with the martingale collar instead of the harness and use the "about face" method......
lets jsut say my son mad it all the way around 2 blocks before we got more than 2 houses away because I kept having to turn and no matter which way I went she pulled!! :eek: I felt more liek I was goign in cirlces!
am I doing something wrong or is she goign to be a stubborn one with this?? she responds real well to the click and treat positive stuff, but with this I almost never have the opportunity to reward her!!

Luba
June 30th, 2004, 10:13 PM
Join the club lol

Sadie and I have a lot of work to do!

Spoiled
July 1st, 2004, 10:45 AM
I think you need to try something a bit different. If your constantly going in circles, you obviously need a different collar which will stop the pulling. A prong collar might work. When she starts pulling, snap the prong onto the leash. When she stops, put the leash onto her normal collar. The prongs look cruel, but they don't hurt the dog if used properly.