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I need some fast, helpful advise please!

14+kitties
May 8th, 2008, 05:22 PM
As you all know, I have a couple of feral cats who have their litters here. There is one in one of my greenhouses. She has the kittens behind a bunch of trays and such. The kittens are coming out to play. I had all three of them today. I got hissed at by two but the third one was great. And so very very tiny. OMG, so tiny!!
My question is.....has anyone taken kittens from their mom at this age? They will be 5 weeks on Sunday. I know it is better to leave them with mom for as long as possible but I am afraid she will move them again and it will be a while before I can find them. The greenhouse has to be open now to let air in or plants will die so she has lots of opportunity to get out with them. They are eating cat food and I have replacement milk here for them as well. What do you guys think? Should I take them now or take a chance she won't move them?
I guess the proper word would have been opinions, not advice.

BeagleMum
May 8th, 2008, 05:28 PM
My friend took in a kitten who was about 5 weeks old, it was a stray and every morning when she came outside, the kitten was on her back step meowing. After 2 days of feeding him lunch meat chicken (I know, don't ask:rolleyes:) she went out and bought some cat food and the rest is history. It is not the ideal situation but if the kitten is that small, it may be the best thing for him.

14+kitties
May 8th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Thanks BeagleMum. I know I said the one little one was tiny but wow, is he solid! Mom is taking good care of them. That's why I am hesitating.

BeagleMum
May 8th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Well, to me, if his life is not in danger, I don't know if I would rush to take him away. I mean, just a few more weeks with mom can make a big difference. I would try to keep him socialized if you can, just so he doesn't turn wild on you.

badger
May 8th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Tough call. Is she likely to move them again, away from the food?

happycats
May 8th, 2008, 06:56 PM
The longer they are without human contact the more feral they will become making it very difficult to adopt out. So I think getting them a home ASAP would be the best thing for them.

14+kitties
May 8th, 2008, 06:57 PM
Tough call. Is she likely to move them again, away from the food?


See badger, that's the issue. I think what I am going to do is to leave them there, close the greenhouse up tight at night, and if she moves them it will only be to another spot in the greenhouse. I will be able to find them then. The biggest issue is that I want to get these guys early enough that I can get them used to people. My other guys are so used to only me they run from everyone else. :sad: because they are such loveable farts. I am going to give them another week to grow and then get them. Not ideal either but :shrug:

happycats
May 8th, 2008, 07:00 PM
Handle them as often as you can, even if they hiss and growl, you have to handle them, even if you have to use gloves, that's the only way they won't go completely wild.

meg4050
May 8th, 2008, 07:01 PM
See badger, that's the issue. I think what I am going to do is to leave them there, close the greenhouse up tight at night, and if she moves them it will only be to another spot in the greenhouse. I will be able to find them then. The biggest issue is that I want to get these guys early enough that I can get them used to people. My other guys are so used to only me they run from everyone else. :sad: because they are such loveable farts. I am going to give them another week to grow and then get them. Not ideal either but :shrug:

Sounds like you know what you're doing, trust your instincts! I think closing them in at night is your best option so they don't get too far from the food. Will there be pictures of these guys too?? :rolleyes::D

kashtin's kin
May 8th, 2008, 07:09 PM
As discussed above, it sounds as if you are in a bit of a 'rock and hard place' situation. On the other hand, things aren't dire and urgent at the moment...obviously there are pros and cons to each side, and no absolute RIGHT decision.

As you are on the spot, and have dealt with ferals, I'd say go with your gut instinct. Your idea of compromising, and trying to scoop the kittens in a week will hopefully work. With my feral kittens of '06, I wasn't able to nab them till they were 4-5 months, and was fortunate to have them all 'domesticate' fairly easily (I'd been visiting with them from a distance for a few months).

My two outdoor grown ferals didn't accept me till they were over a year in age; they're really lovey-dovey now, but only with me...largely because I'm the only person who's outside a lot (pony chores really complement feral gentling!!).

Good luck with this litter, and keep us posted.

p.s. sorry, don't recall if you've covered the spay issue in an earlier post...will you be able to hopefully livetrap or ? the momcat for spaying? I could lend my livetrap if needed...

14+kitties
May 8th, 2008, 07:34 PM
As discussed above, it sounds as if you are in a bit of a 'rock and hard place' situation. On the other hand, things aren't dire and urgent at the moment...obviously there are pros and cons to each side, and no absolute RIGHT decision.

As you are on the spot, and have dealt with ferals, I'd say go with your gut instinct. Your idea of compromising, and trying to scoop the kittens in a week will hopefully work. With my feral kittens of '06, I wasn't able to nab them till they were 4-5 months, and was fortunate to have them all 'domesticate' fairly easily (I'd been visiting with them from a distance for a few months).

My two outdoor grown ferals didn't accept me till they were over a year in age; they're really lovey-dovey now, but only with me...largely because I'm the only person who's outside a lot (pony chores really complement feral gentling!!).

Good luck with this litter, and keep us posted.

p.s. sorry, don't recall if you've covered the spay issue in an earlier post...will you be able to hopefully livetrap or ? the momcat for spaying? I could lend my livetrap if needed...

Thanks kashtin's kin. I am going with my gut. Leaving them there with mom, hoping she doesn't move them or find a way to get out with them. I have been dealing with these ferals for almost 2 years now. Very wiley at avoiding the trap but thanks to tips I have got from here and the TCR I have more tricks up my sleeve for when the kittens are weaned for catching moms. As for fixing......I am actually taking #19 in on Sunday to get fixed. This is another feral who managed to get caught. I am down to 3 other ferals now plus one I managed to get into the house with her 3 kittens.

Happycats......... been there, done that. All of my kitties were born ferals.

Meg......patience hon, there will be. Soon. :):)

Jim Hall
May 8th, 2008, 08:35 PM
i would say leave her and close it up at night Let mama feel safe where she is for a few days and then start to handle the kits they will come out

As far as the kits that run from veryone exceoot you I have found thet having other peeps around helps that out and if the same people drop by the kits will eventually interact with them

14+kitties
May 8th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Thanks Jim. Just what I am going to do. Actually, I prefer the other ones are a little shy around other people. I make sure people go to see them when I have company and once the greenhouse is open next week there will be lots of people around. I just don't want the kitties being tempted to try to climb their fence to get to people. Too many vehicles around. They aren't going anywhere so I am not too worried about their interaction. It's the newer ones I am going to try to adopt that I want better socialized. The others I am kind of attached to. :rolleyes:

Jim Hall
May 8th, 2008, 08:54 PM
as long as thier are people aroung they will get socialised i think a lot of it just has to do with small animakls getting used to us great big noisy clumsy and smelly humans

meg4050
May 8th, 2008, 09:29 PM
Meg......patience hon, there will be. Soon. :):)

:o Sorry! :laughing:

Frenchy
May 8th, 2008, 10:10 PM
See badger, that's the issue. I think what I am going to do is to leave them there,
I think this is a good decision :thumbs up
Will there be pictures of these guys too?? :rolleyes::D

Pressure pressure :laughing:

krdahmer
May 8th, 2008, 10:27 PM
Sorry I didn't see this earlier, I took my feral mama's kittens (Fagan and his sister and two brothers) at exactly 5 weeks. It was a good choice, I left Asker's litter a little longer and was then only able to catch her. They were all very feral, and mama kept moving them, so I had to snatch them when they came for food or were caught napping in the tree. (When I finally caught another from Asker's litter it was with a trap and very traumatic for us both.) Fagan and his brothers and sister are all great cats, I gave them a bit of cat milk along with some wet food at first, but they got onto dry food pretty quick and are all healthy happy cats now. I also made sure to let different people of all ages hold them and interact with them while they were in my spare room... I think that helped them to be more social and less scared of new people. If they are already 5 weeks and you want them to be completely comfortable around people, I wouldn't wait too much longer, and make sure you go out to play with them often (like we'd have to twist your arm to play with kittens! ;) )

And once again big :grouphug: for you the :cat::angel: !!!

clm
May 8th, 2008, 10:58 PM
I know you've had loads more experience with this kind of thing, but both times my parents had ferels give birth and raise their kittens, it was around 5 weeks of age when the females up and left. No chance to get the female spayed. I don't know if they came into heat again, or if they felt they'd done their job and it was time to move on. Both times they were in a heated garage (they selected the garage, they weren't moved to it), no cars, lots of food and water.
I'd love to see pics of the kittens. Nothing cuter than kittens. :lovestruck:

Cindy

14+kitties
May 8th, 2008, 11:20 PM
Thanks everyone for the fast replies. I knew I could count on you all. :)
So my game plan.........for the next week I want to keep an eye on the kitties. Not hard seeing as I spend around 10 hours a day over there working. They are 5 weeks on Sunday. I don't want to take them before then for sure. Then they are coming into the house :fingerscr so they can be around people and other kitties and the dogs. Should be fun. At around 8 to 10 weeks they will be going up for adoption. I will make sure to get pics. Lots of pics. I am going to need to start burning them onto discs to free up comp space soon. :D If anyone hears of someone looking for a kitten.......... ;)
There is the other momma who hasn't brought her kittens down from the top of the garage yet. I went up there the other day but can't find them. She has them well hidden. Then tonight I saw the other sister who I thought had disappeared a couple of months ago. She probably has a litter around too. The fun begins.
Clm - the moms had the kittens in our garage last year. For some reason this year they have avoided it. Probably because I cleaned it out for the kittens last year and then hubby filled it with his stuff again. The greenhouse is heated. And I put old towels down for them to lie on. From past experience these moms don't usually take off until the kittens are around 7 weeks. I will have them before then.
And krdahmer - I never play with the kittens. Don't know what gave you that idea. :rolleyes:

growler~GateKeeper
May 9th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Any chance your currently inside the house feral mama would take on a couple more kitties if you had to nab them early? Could you nab the kittens, take them inside while shutting greenhouse mama in the greenhouse, live trap her for spaying before she takes off again? :shrug:

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 07:13 AM
Any chance your currently inside the house feral mama would take on a couple more kitties if you had to nab them early? Could you nab the kittens, take them inside while shutting greenhouse mama in the greenhouse, live trap her for spaying before she takes off again? :shrug:


Great idea. One I thought of yesterday. I brought a couple of the kittens to the house to show hubby and momma reacted very violently toward them. Hissing, trying to scratch at them. She was in her crate so was unable to harm them.
I am going to try to livetrap mom of course. But she needs at least 2 weeks after kittens are weaned to dry milk. The vets won't do them before. I am determined to get them all this year!

Love4himies
May 9th, 2008, 07:28 AM
That is such a hard call, 14+, the kittens are better off with momma, but if you want to socialize these kittens, you are better off taking them away. How is momma when you are close to the kittens? Alot of what kittens learn is from momma's reaction. If momma is OK with you, then kittens won't be as afraid of humans.

The other issue with suddently taking them completely away is the risk of momma's health and her becoming engorged with milk (sorry can't remember what is called, but was warned about this by my vet).

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 07:41 AM
L4H - that's another thing I thought of. I don't want mama getting sick either. :shrug: As someone mentioned, I am between the proverbial rock and the hard place. I am in the greenhouse a lot so that's great. The radio has been on in there 24/7 for about the last 4 months so they know the sound of humans (and good/bad music) and that is good. :D
Momma hisses a little when I go near the kittens but she stops quickly. Last time I touched them she moved them though. That's the whole issue. I am just hoping she hasn't found an escape route to take them outside. I will find out very soon 'cause that's where I am heading. :fingerscr

Love4himies
May 9th, 2008, 07:45 AM
Can you approach them with some canned food smeared on your hands (I know sounds gross) but that will associate food with humans.

:grouphug: to you, so hard to know what to do. You are an absolute :angel2:!

chico2
May 9th, 2008, 08:11 AM
14+.I have absolutely zilch experience with feral cats and kittens,but just reading these posts,your sheer determination to save these little lives,leaves me in awe:thumbs up
and look at all the kitty-people giving advice,even Kashtins Kin our other resdident feral kitty mom...great stuff:cat:
Good Luck with the babies:stork-baby:

ancientgirl
May 9th, 2008, 08:35 AM
I have no advice to give you, since I have little experience with ferals. But I know whatever you do will be helpful. :D

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 12:37 PM
well, so far, so good. She is still there with them. I held all three of the kittens this morning with very little hissing on her part. She even came out of her hiding spot and ventured close. She has done this before. I think protecting her kittens. She arched her back a little like she wanted a pet so I petted her too. Not much. When she jumped away I let her go, then she came back for a little more. I have a teenie tiny little scratch on my hand from her when I didn't move my hand back fast enough. I looked after it. :D

I am worried about her. She breathes really funny. Like she has something caught in her throat. I have noticed this before so it's not new. I guess if I ever manage to convince her to go to the vet I can get them to check her for me. :rolleyes:

I think I should be able to get the kittens with no problem. 2 of them don't run when I go near. The other one does but not far. She scoots under a skid and peaks out. So cute. Oh yeah, 2 boys, 1 girl.

Meg.....where are you? :D
This little one is Tiny Tim. I have a very strong suspicion he will be a house cat right here. Even hubby checked him a couple of times through the night.
He is probably about 6 inches from head to tail. So tiny. :cloud9: Yep, I know, I fell hard.

Frenchy
May 9th, 2008, 12:52 PM
:laughing: Look at his eyes , he's too funny ! :lovestruck:

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 12:55 PM
:laughing: Look at his eyes , he's too funny ! :lovestruck:

I think every one of his little inches is a fighter! But he is the one that comes over to me as soon as I go near. :cloud9:

ancientgirl
May 9th, 2008, 01:09 PM
OMG he's so cute!!!! :lovestruck:Tiny kitties!

danaekitty
May 9th, 2008, 01:17 PM
I don't have any additional advice - but good luck! Sounds like you're making more and more progress all the time!

chico2
May 9th, 2008, 05:31 PM
WOW 14+,he is adorable(aren't they all0but this little guy looks just like my Rocky when he was a baby,a wee little tabby baby:lovestruck:
I am sooooo happy the have you to look out for them:thumbs up

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 05:59 PM
WOW 14+,he is adorable(aren't they all0but this little guy looks just like my Rocky when he was a baby,a wee little tabby baby:lovestruck:
I am sooooo happy the have you to look out for them:thumbs up

That little one touched a spot in me too, Chico. He is just so tiny.

meg4050
May 9th, 2008, 06:04 PM
Meg.....where are you? :D
This little one is Tiny Tim. I have a very strong suspicion he will be a house cat right here. Even hubby checked him a couple of times through the night.
He is probably about 6 inches from head to tail. So tiny. :cloud9: Yep, I know, I fell hard.

OH MY!!! :cloud9::cloud9::cloud9::cloud9::lovestruck:

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 06:08 PM
First pic shows how little Tiny Tim is. My sandal is a size 7.
Second is Chip and Dale. They both have a double line of light brown on their back like chipmunks so I thought Chip and Dale works. Chip is male, Dale is female.
Third one is Chip taking a round out of Tiny Tim.
Oh yeah, they are in the house. Momma tried moving them out. 19 acres is just too much for me to search right now.

ancientgirl
May 9th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Were you able to get momma too?:fingerscr

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Were you able to get momma too?:fingerscr

No ancient. But that was not going to be possible anyway. I have the other momma in here with her kittens and Mylee is in so with the new kitties there is 8 of them in here. The mom is way too feral. With the first momma I got lucky. I knew it wasn't going to happen with this one. Plus I have no beds left. :shrug: The one dog crate the kittens can walk right through the bars. Kind of makes them being in a crate an oxymoron, right? It is amusing but..

I am hoping once Taz is fixed I can set the live trap up again and hopefully this momma will co operate this time. I will have to wait a couple of weeks though for her milk to dry up.

BeagleMum
May 9th, 2008, 09:21 PM
OMG they are adorable!!

ancientgirl
May 9th, 2008, 09:25 PM
No ancient. But that was not going to be possible anyway. I have the other momma in here with her kittens and Mylee is in so with the new kitties there is 8 of them in here. The mom is way too feral. With the first momma I got lucky. I knew it wasn't going to happen with this one. Plus I have no beds left. :shrug: The one dog crate the kittens can walk right through the bars. Kind of makes them being in a crate an oxymoron, right? It is amusing but..

I am hoping once Taz is fixed I can set the live trap up again and hopefully this momma will co operate this time. I will have to wait a couple of weeks though for her milk to dry up.

Well, at least you got the kittens. Hopefully you'll be able to catch momma soon and get her fixed. You're on kitty overload right now:laughing: At least it's a cute overload.

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 09:35 PM
I know ancient, but seriously, when am I not on kitty overload? :D :laughing::laughing: It's just the size of the kitties. I am not complaining. There is just this stupid work thing that gets in the way. :rolleyes: Good thing I do that from home.
Yep BeagleMom, I gotta agree.

Frenchy
May 9th, 2008, 09:56 PM
ohhh , I love the last picture where they're playing / fitting together :cloud9:

badger
May 9th, 2008, 10:08 PM
Well, I'd just like to say whew! you are a champion. I find the boys a huge challenge, I can't imagine dealing with two litters of kittens as well.
Do you mean to say that the mother cat who is already enjoying your five-star hospitality has welcomed the feral babies?

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 10:19 PM
Well, I'd just like to say whew! you are a champion. I find the boys a huge challenge, I can't imagine dealing with two litters of kittens as well.
Do you mean to say that the mother cat who is already enjoying your five-star hospitality has welcomed the feral babies?

I wish badger! Nope, she hisses and growls at them. I have to watch her like a hawk. But she has been attacking Mylee too once in a while. They will play really well for a bit and then the mom just goes ballistic on Mylee. So I have to put her back in the crate I have for her and her babies.
I have 2 large dog crates set up in the kitchen. They work great for this. The kitties get their play times and socializing and when it's nap time or I can't be in with them they can go in the crates. I also have one of those huge carriers meant for air travel that a friend lent me. The new kitties are in it and I am keeping an eagle eye.
They have all eaten a good amount of food and had some kitten replacement milk and there is water available for them. I will probably get up a few times during the night to check them. Who needs sleep? :rolleyes:

Frenchy - I like that too. It was even more fun watching it.

kashtin's kin
May 9th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Sweet pic of 'Tiny Tim'-ahhh... I am soooo with you in spirit in terms of dealing with a ferally :rolleyes: challenging scenario. I'm also glad that you are so ferally (okay, that's it!) experienced; as I found out along the way Alley Cat Allies etc. have some good TNR advice website-wise but managing even a small colony seems to involve using common sense and knowledge of cats in general, combined with just going with the flow i.e.being creative/figuring out what works.

Great to hear about your s/n record...hope your vet gives you a break (I found a good/less expensive vet in my area, but it still adds up, huh?!). When I think about the $$ with some pain :eek:, I just concentrate on the litters that will NOT be born because of the $ spent!

Although I always had inside cats, I've been amazed by how much I've learned (although I'm still a novice compared to some of the cat 'gurus' I've met or spoken to!) from 'les ferals'. I'm normally a bit impatient and impulsive, so needless to say I have acquired a much more sloooow and patient manner working with feral cats!

I still shriek at my nutty ponies when they paw and rub on fences, then drop to an oh-so-soothing tone for WW and MiniMan! Those two black beauty 'friendly ferals' are actually pretty used to my pony-hollering by now; they just sort of wait for me to finish before coming up to visit :o.

Anyhow, enough self-prattle...I've found this BB to be a great support throughout my feral saga thus far, and hope that you feel similarily :D. Even when there are no hard and fast answers, it's nice not to be in some sort of isolated vacuum! I'm sending you and your cats :goodvibes:, and I'll tell WW and MM to do the same :fingerscr. Hang in there!

p.s. maybe we can form a feral support group :cat:, or even just swap trapping tips?!

14+kitties
May 9th, 2008, 11:25 PM
Well, that sucked. :rolleyes: I just spent the last 10 minutes typing a reply and hit the wrong darned button. Now the reply is floating somewhere in never never land. :thumbs up my fat fingers! :D
Kashtin'skin - I would love to talk to you about your experiences. I have read a lot of your posts since I have joined and have been amazed at what you do. You are a real saviour to all those kitties.
Actually, you sound a lot like me with the shrieking. I tend to do that occasionally. Am trying to get better with age. I keep saying my kitties keep me sane. They make me sit and cuddle when I go to feed them. In fact, they demand their cuddles!
You are right. This BB is fantastic for helping with ideas and just for bolstering you up when you are feeling bad.
As for s/n - Luba got me in touch with a rescue in TO (not sure I can mention them here) for which I will be forever grateful. Cost was very reasonable. If it wasn't for this forum I would never have found out about the rescue.
Please feel free to PM me with any ideas or about the support group idea. I would be interested in talking more about that.
I have got to get this worn out body to bed. It has been a long day.

growler~GateKeeper
May 10th, 2008, 01:46 AM
Great idea. One I thought of yesterday. I brought a couple of the kittens to the house to show hubby and momma reacted very violently toward them. Hissing, trying to scratch at them. She was in her crate so was unable to harm them.

:wall: sorry bad idea, scratch that (no pun intended ;))

:fingerscr for catching mum, has she come back to the greenhouse? can you shut her in for as long as the milk drying takes? or any chance to live trap her now to reunite her & her kittens in a spare room? :goodvibes:

:cloud9: :lovestruck: kitties so cute :lovestruck:

14+kitties
May 10th, 2008, 07:45 AM
Spare room? I wish! As it is I am fighting with stepson who has allergies and blames every sniffle on the kittens. He doesn't realize it's the seasonal stuff that's getting him.
As for live trapping - Taz is in the trap until we take her to get fixed tomorrow. After that, yep, it's getting set up again. I am really hoping I can get her soon. I just have to work hard at it. Then we can figure out a way to reunite.
The kitties made it through the night and have all eaten this morning. That is good. The tiny one likes to be held to eat. In fact, he doesn't seem to want to eat any other way. Now they are back to sleep again. Wow, it's tough being a kitten momma. :rolleyes:

chico2
May 10th, 2008, 08:08 AM
OMG,all baby-animals are cute,even Alligators:laughing:but kittens just tug at the heartstringshttp://bestsmileys.com/cats1/5.gif
I hope mom cat is not too upset for loosing her babies and that she is not out there feeling amorous again:pray:
Love the names Chip and Dale and Tiny Tim..
My Rocky too was the runt of the litter from a barncat mom,but he certainly grew,Tiny Tim will too,in your loving hands:lovestruck:

14+kitties
May 10th, 2008, 10:59 AM
Chico - I am hoping so. I have already told hubby that he is staying. :D Hubby isn't impressed but he will get used to it. Thank you for that little kitty! He looks just like Tiny Tim!

I have momma! The saga continues.....................

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=591296#post591296

kashtin's kin
May 10th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Hmmm, '14+k's'...maybe feral carers like us all have the Fat Finger Curse; I've wiped out more than one terribly amusing/unique :D post after a long typing session by hitting the wrong bleeping button :wall:. I usually weep in that case, as opposed to my more common response of shrieking-simply because I'm too tired by this point :rolleyes:.

It does sound like we live in parallel universes, filled with challenging feral dramas: the crates and cages/the myriad cat toys and play/cave boxes/perhaps a livetrap or two/mountains of cat found...and of course, numerous cats/kittens. I was always a critter person with an obsession with horses and ponies; somehow I morphed into Cat Chick (just so long as I don't eventually end up living in some REALLY decrepit house with too many felines to count, and a tiny pension cheque :eek:).

Gotta love those kitten pics above, with the mega-ahhhhh factor. Tootoo cute for words. I only learned how to post pics because of the [kind!] pressure of the BB members to "get some pictures for us"! ...We'll definitely have to pm on matters feral; like you, I've been lucky enough to be able to connect with some feral folk, but I live a bit far from them, and it'd be nice to have a BB feral contact for :cat: brainstorming/therapy etc.!

p.s. glad that one more decision is not looming re: when to nab kittens...see, things do just develop on their own, to some extent!

Love4himies
May 10th, 2008, 01:31 PM
I only have one minute on the computer so I can't read all the new posts but i want to say THEY ARE SOOOOOOO CUTE 14+ gotta go.

krdahmer
May 10th, 2008, 04:43 PM
ooooooooo!!!! Teeny kittens!!!! :lovestruck::lovestruck::cloud9:

14+kitties
May 10th, 2008, 09:08 PM
somehow I morphed into Cat Chick (just so long as I don't eventually end up living in some REALLY decrepit house with too many felines to count, and a tiny pension cheque :eek:).

My biggest fear. :)

like you, I've been lucky enough to be able to connect with some feral folk, but I live a bit far from them, and it'd be nice to have a BB feral contact for :cat: brainstorming/therapy etc.!

We are about an hour and a half away from TO where we take the kittens to get fixed. It's a drive but well worth it for the money saved. They do a wonderful job there too. I took my males to a place closer to us that was reasonable for price. My last little boy came home with his back end covered in blood and still smelling very strongly of anesthetic. It was quite obvious he had only been done a while before I picked him up. l was not impressed! That vet will not see my again.

p.s. glad that one more decision is not looming re: when to nab kittens...see, things do just develop on their own, to some extent!

Funny how that happens.:rolleyes: I am quite sure there will be another conundrum along soon. There are still a couple of ferals running free (with litters).

14+kitties
May 10th, 2008, 09:11 PM
I only have one minute on the computer so I can't read all the new posts but i want to say THEY ARE SOOOOOOO CUTE 14+ gotta go.

Thank you L4H for making your one minute on the comp catching up with my story. :) New pics coming soon. But not tonight. It has been a very very long day. :sleepy:

14+kitties
May 10th, 2008, 09:12 PM
ooooooooo!!!! Teeny kittens!!!! :lovestruck::lovestruck::cloud9:

Yep kr, you are right. I think as soon as I can get him back from momma he is going to the vet for a check up. I am not sure how healthy the little gaffer is. :sad: But he sure stole my heart fast.

clm
May 10th, 2008, 10:43 PM
I love them all, but I can see why Tiny Tim has stolen your heart. What a little cutie. :lovestruck:

Cindy

14+kitties
May 11th, 2008, 11:04 PM
I love them all, but I can see why Tiny Tim has stolen your heart. What a little cutie. :lovestruck:

Cindy

He is. Funny little story... I went out to check on them tonight. Tiny Tim was sitting about 6 or 7 inches from mom. She had other 2 attached to her. Tiny Tim looked like he was going to move to come over to see me. She put her paw on his tail and meowed. Like.....no, you stay here. :) It was so cute. She "protects" her kitties well from the crazy lady. :D

Love4himies
May 12th, 2008, 07:34 AM
:cloud9:I would keep Tiny Tim too, much to cute to allow anybody else to have him:cloud9:

chico2
May 12th, 2008, 07:43 AM
14+,that's sounds so cute,mom protecting her baby from that terrible human who probably saved their lives:lovestruck:
I hope the bigger kittens let Tiny have a go at the milkstation too:cat:

ancientgirl
May 12th, 2008, 08:48 AM
I hope the bigger kittens let Tiny have a go at the milkstation too:cat:

I was thinking the same thing. Tiny Tim is such a cutie, not that they all aren't, but he's got something really special. I do hope you keep him.

14+kitties
May 12th, 2008, 09:26 AM
14+,that's sounds so cute,mom protecting her baby from that terrible human who probably saved their lives:lovestruck:
I hope the bigger kittens let Tiny have a go at the milkstation too:cat:

I was thinking the same thing. Tiny Tim is such a cutie, not that they all aren't, but he's got something really special. I do hope you keep him.


Have no fear ladies. He is the one who is usually latched on. :) He came over to see me this morning and I do believe he has grown another inch! He feels pretty solid. Still has a funny little walk, tiny back legs. :cloud9: He is just such a sweetie! I love all of my guys and gals but....

Good news - I may have his brother and sister adopted. My son works with someone who wants a cat or two because his girlfriend got theirs in the breakup. He said one, I am working on two! If not them then he is taking Mittens. Shh, don't tell Meg! :D

And more good news - Taz did well yesterday for her surgery. I don't think she closed her eyes all the way home though. When I fed her this morning I was able to pet her back end for a few minutes. I don't know if that will continue but I will take all I can get until she stops. I am trying to keep her in the large carrier in the porch for at least a few days to heal before letting her in the garage.

All this and my greenhouse opens this weekend too! I NEED HELP!!! :laughing::laughing: