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new mother cat still sick

nosila75
April 4th, 2008, 07:20 PM
I hope someone can help because I can't afford the vet anymore. Cookie, our 8 month old kitten gave birth 4wks ago to 4 live kittens. 2 others died. She has been sick since then. I took her to the vet 2 days after the birth. Her temp was 106. He gave her antibiotics,gave her fluids, dewormed her, and charged $200. I was afraid she might have another kitten in her, but I couldn't afford a $100 x-ray. He examined her and said probably not. Two days later she was sicker. I wound up bottle feeding her and her 4 babies. The whole time she was sick-she cared for her kittens. Cleaning and feeding,it was amazing to watch. For the past two weeks, Cookie has a bad smell sometimes and her belly makes noises. She's increasingly jittery and I've actually seen her belly convulse. It scares me and I don't know what to do for her. She is still feeding, compulsively cleaning and taking care of the babies-but is prone to move away and just stare at them. She's eating dry and wet food, drinking water and cat milk and goes to the cat box frequently.
Cookie is half siamese/half long hair. We found her when she was 6wks old and nursed her back to health. I don't want to lose her. Any help is appreciated greatly

aslan
April 4th, 2008, 07:23 PM
OMG, take the cat to the vet asap, you have to be able to get money somewhere or work out a payment plan, I don't even wanna know how your kitten got pregnant so young. But you have to get her to the vet now.

t.pettet
April 4th, 2008, 07:40 PM
OMG: You say you can't afford another vet visit but her condition is 'serious' and you cannot afford not to take her to the vets. You took on the responsibility when you adopted her as a kitten and since you were negligent not having her spayed, her present medical condition is down to you.

rainbow
April 4th, 2008, 07:46 PM
OMG....I couldn't agree more. :eek: You MUST get her to a vet ASAP. Good luck and keep us posted. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

Frenchy
April 4th, 2008, 09:09 PM
:wall: :wall: do whatever you have to do to get the money and take this cat to the vet asap. Once she feels better you get her spayed so this doesn't happen again !!!!!

CyberKitten
April 4th, 2008, 09:35 PM
We are not vets even if some of us have medical jobs or know almost as much as many vets about very particular topics. BUT this kitty NEEDS A VET and she needed to see one yesterday!

Beg or borrow the money - email imom.org but get her to a vet. She is sick and it is like having A SICK CHILD - you would hardly expect some stranger on the street who you know has 10 children and experience with their illnesses tell you how to help your child. This is your beloved cat and kittens and responsibility - it goes with the territory. I am sorry to hear you are having this problem and especially concerned for your cat. Ask the vet if s/he will take you on credit? There are many arrangements that can be made. Asking us is not one of them. We want to help but once again, the symptoms all point to the need of a vet - as others have already noted. PLEASE get her to a vet!! She needs you to do that NOW!

I wanted to add if she is seriously ill, and it is contagious, you may have 5 seriously ill felines!!! Take them all in and soon!

Good luck!

Love4himies
April 5th, 2008, 07:27 AM
OMG. Your poor cat, you allowed her to get pregnant, now it is your responsibilty to take care of the results:wall::yell:

Take her in, get her healthy, then get her SPAYED!

Poor kitty:sad::cry:

nosila75
April 5th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Thank you all for your help. Why didn't I think of taking my cat to the vet, as you all suggested!! Oh wait, I did,and now I can't afford to again. When we found cookie, we all thought she would die. We paid over $1000 in vet and medicine bills to save and vaccinate her. I had to wait till I had the money to neuter her, and one week before her appt. she got out of the house. My fault, definitely. I know she's young, much too young to have babies. Do I not care about my pets? Of course I do. One of my cats broke his leg in two places (hit by a car). That was last year, again medical bills well over $1000. All of my pets are vaccinated yearly, and all except cookie were neutered. But guess what. I also have 4 children. So, when one needed glasses, and another needed a Dr. last month, guess who was prioritized. My kids. Are my pets like my children? Of course, and I have done what I can with cookie. Did I call the vet and ask for a payment plan? Of course--and no they don't do that. So thank you for preaching and telling me things I already knew. I will try to find the money for the vet, and if I can't then I'll continue doing what I can. And no, the kittens are not sick--this is not a diseased cat. I think it is birth and placenta related. Thanks again.

Love4himies
April 5th, 2008, 01:31 PM
When it comes to a pet getting pregnant there are no accidents, it is owners responsibility to ensure they are fixed before sexual maturity, period! If you can't afford the vet bills of situations that may go wrong during pregnancy, then you should have had the kittens aborted and your cat spayed when she got home after the escape. The kittens are young yet and may still cost you hundreds of dollars in vet bills before they are adopted out.

But I guess you can't change the past and you now you have to deal with the present. Your cat needs vet care ASAP.

We can't help you diagnose your cat over the internet, you HAVE to take it to a vet for health care, your cat's life is at stake.

Love4himies
April 5th, 2008, 01:34 PM
And no, the kittens are not sick--this is not a diseased cat.

Doesn't need to be a diseased cat for kittens to get sick. I fostered very healthy kittens and they ended up with the calicivirus. Very hardy virus that can be brought into the home on your shoes. Cost of vet care: hundreds. They needed subcutaneous fluids twice a day, emergency vet calls because it happened on a Sunday, meds and hospitalization.

satchelp
April 5th, 2008, 02:16 PM
When it comes to a pet getting pregnant there are no accidents, it is owners responsibility to ensure they are fixed before sexual maturity, period! If you can't afford the vet bills of situations that may go wrong during pregnancy, then you should have had the kittens aborted and your cat spayed when she got home after the escape. The kittens are young yet and may still cost you hundreds of dollars in vet bills before they are adopted out. .

Give the woman a break! I sometimes can't believe some of the attitudes around here. She has been doing the best she can with a cat she rescued. Would you rather that people walk away from sick or injured animals rather than try to help them by giving them a home and treating their illnesses or injuries? I understand coming down on people who let their cats out on purpose when they are not altered, but I think you are targetting the wrong person here. She came here for help, not for a lecture.

Sylvie28
April 5th, 2008, 03:05 PM
:sorry: Nosila75, it must be hard to go through what you are going through right now, because I'm going through a rough time myself, if you want to read more about it, it's the thread -when it time to let go- or something like this.
anyway lets :grouphug: it might feel better.

Sylvie28
April 5th, 2008, 03:08 PM
:thankyou: Satchelp for writing this, I agree with you ;)

Love4himies
April 5th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Satchelp

Doesn't matter what we say she still needs to take the cat to the vet, period. She needs to find the funds to do so, period. We can't help her, all we can say is take your cat to the vet!

If she didn't want her cat to get pregnant then spay it by 4 months old, she didn't, so these are the consequences. If she couldn't afford vet bills that come along with breeding (and they can really add up), then she should have aborted the kittens and got the cat spayed.

Sorry if I am a person who tells it like it is and expect people to take responsibility for their actions and not to make excuses. She had choices along the way and these are the consequences of them.

Nosila75, I do hope your kitty will be OK, I absolutely love cats, but I have to say again your cat needs immediate vet care!

Visit your local shelter and look at all the homeless cats and you may then understand why some of us get very upset at those who allow their cats to get pregnant.

badger
April 5th, 2008, 03:39 PM
For the past two weeks, Cookie has a bad smell sometimes and her belly makes noises. She's increasingly jittery and I've actually seen her belly convulse. It scares me and I don't know what to do for her.

This is what triggered all these responses. What could anyone have suggested other than a vet? It's a tough situation.

There is a familiar dynamic in this thread. The OP describes something scary and possibly life-threatening. Several people urge her to take the cat to the vet immediately. Silence from the OP. Because the responders are not offering anything useful or maybe she's just busy? The tone mounts. The OP doesn't have to add anything, the fuse has been lit. OP reads the thread, feels attacked. And on it goes.

To the OP: I would be worried about the smell, which can sometimes mean infection. Have you tried giving her a little 'bed bath' particularly around her back end, or is she keeping herself clean there? Just to make sure nothing external is causing the odor. Could it be gas? since you say it is intermittent(that might also explain the tummy rumbles). Are you feeding her anything different that she might be reacting to? Do her stools look normal?

Eating and drinking and visiting the litterbox are all good signs but I would be watching her pretty closely. You could try taking her temperature. If she has a fever, then she needs antibiotics.

Sylvie28
April 5th, 2008, 04:17 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but what does OP means? :shrug:

aslan
April 5th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Funny we only get part of the information, describing a very ill cat. Who has had kittens at such a young age. We were asked for help,opinions, etc. At no point were we told about the preceeding vet visits, blah,blah. What kind of response did you expect to get. No matter what, the deed is done, the cat is sick and needs more help than we can give. I hope it all turns out for the best.

badger
April 5th, 2008, 05:21 PM
OP=original poster.

14+kitties
April 5th, 2008, 05:37 PM
nosila - First let me preface this by saying none of us are vets. I agree with everyone else. Take her to the vet asap.

Were you giving her the cat milk before she had the kittens? If not, stop giving it to her. It could be that is what is giving her the rumbly tummy. If she is eating, using litter box, still feeding kittens, etc., I would think those are all good signs. Have you taken her temperature? What is it?

Believe me, I totally understand lack of funds. I think most of us do. At the moment I am getting the last four of my 16 plus a feral and a stray male fixed. Then I get to start on the feral females who are running around and at the moment are pregnant. IF I can get them to co operate and go into the live trap. So yep, lack of funds I understand. I have maxed my cards and now have borrowed money from my 81 year old mother. I understand the 4 kids thing too. Been there, done that. Having said that - there must be some way you can find the money to take her to get checked. Beg, borrow, don't steal, but do what you can. I am sure you are doing just that. As an offside, is there by any chance any organizations, shelters, whatever, that may be able to help you out in your area? Sorry, I didn't check to see where you are from. There has to be some way you can get the money together. Cyberkitten mentioned an organization. Try it. Other than that :shrug:.

As for her moving away and just staring at them - she is probably thinking "Those things came out of me?" Not to mention the fact that they are four weeks old. Momma cats tend to start giving them more space around that age.

I am not trying to make enemies here. None of us are. We are just concerned about the kitten. She needs to be seen by vet, the sooner the better.

Sylvie28
April 5th, 2008, 05:56 PM
thank you badger:)

nosila75
April 8th, 2008, 05:51 PM
I want to say thank you for those who gave helpful suggestions. I did find the funds to take cookie to a vet for an exam. Thankfully, she is fine and there is no infection. The problem was the cat milk I was giving her. It was giving her gas. Since she's off the milk, she is like her old self. So thank you for your support and especially 14 & kitties tip about the cat milk. The vet said I should wait until the kittens are 8 wks.old before having her neutered. That is just what I'll do as well as having the kittens immunized. So again, thank you to those who were supportive and helpful. For the others who were negative and preachy-well-thank you also. I found this website when I was at the end of my rope-and thought great. No money for the vet but maybe another pet owner has experienced what I'm going through. I now realize it's better just to somehow find the money and go to a vet. Bottom line is Cookie is better, the kittens are fine, and I probably won't be back.

MOOSEDRY
April 8th, 2008, 08:12 PM
hi there.

first of all, i wanted to say that i'm very happy your kitty is going to be okay. it's so scary when they are sick.

i also wanted to say that i'm very sad that you became the object of criticism in this thread, when all you were doing was looking for a little help. you obviously care for and love your pets very much. had i paid $200 with no results, i would have started to look for advice, too - i'm sure vets themselves would admit how frustrating it can be when working with a patient who can't tell you how it feels or where/when it hurts! it could be many things!


finally, let's everyone please remember: people of lesser means than you love their pets no less. there are plenty of animals out there who receive lots of food, shelter, warmth and love daily who would otherwise be homeless and suffering, were it not for people of all walks of life opening their homes and lives to them. blessings to all pet lovers :pray:

tracy (mom) , patsy :cat: cline :cat: punkin :cat: jimmy (dad)

CyberKitten
April 8th, 2008, 08:22 PM
I am so glad the situation is under control. I am glad your kitty will be fine! Thx for letting us know and I hope she and her kittens will all be fine. There ae5 a number of milk for cats products o n the market - for some reason, the old tale of giving cats milk is just that, a myth. Most cats, especially certain breeds (like my meezers) are lactose intolerant. I loathe to think what I did as a child in giving my kittens milk! Ugh! We all had to learn this stuff somewhere sometime and none of us know everything. We just keep tying, researching and learning all the time.

Jim Hall
April 8th, 2008, 10:22 PM
gald to her she is better man cats can scare the beje*** out of you sometime


Sometimes thier is zero and i mean zero in the fund department you just try to do the best you can

badger
April 9th, 2008, 02:06 AM
Eureka!
Just wanted to point out (we need a smug, self-satisfied smiley) that I guessed first :laughing:

clm
April 9th, 2008, 05:25 AM
Great news that your kitty is fine. :thumbs up

Cindy

RUSTYcat
April 10th, 2008, 12:15 AM
I want to say thank you for those who gave helpful suggestions. I did find the funds to take cookie to a vet for an exam. Thankfully, she is fine and there is no infection. The problem was the cat milk I was giving her. It was giving her gas. Since she's off the milk, she is like her old self. So thank you for your support and especially 14 & kitties tip about the cat milk. The vet said I should wait until the kittens are 8 wks.old before having her neutered. That is just what I'll do as well as having the kittens immunized. So again, thank you to those who were supportive and helpful.

Such a graceful thank-you despite the way nolisa75 was greeted and treated by some "members" of this board.

For the others who were negative and preachy-well-thank you also. I found this website when I was at the end of my rope-and thought great. No money for the vet but maybe another pet owner has experienced what I'm going through. I now realize it's better just to somehow find the money and go to a vet. Bottom line is Cookie is better, the kittens are fine, and I probably won't be back.

Such a graceful indictment of those who accused, criticized, judged and bullied the OP. Such a wonderful outcome.

IMO, none of this is acceptable in polite society, and the occurrence of it is becoming more frequent on this board. It seems Pets.ca is devolving into a very unfriendly place.

The worst? When the full story unfurls, the justifications, not the apologies.

Frankly, I'm disgusted...

aslan
April 10th, 2008, 05:16 AM
Nosila, i'm very glad that momma cat is doing well and so are the babies.


Rustycat= I personally don't think i said anything i need to apologize for. Given the initial information I was, i would still respond the same. As for anyone esle who responded, alot of these women deal with animals that they foster whom have been abused, abandoned and in one case i know of was rescued from a puppy mill. I can fully appreciate the lack of funds, been there done that. Once the full story came out, one of our members had an accurate idea of what the problem was. I understand the kitten getting out and getting pregnant was an accident. It could have turned out alot worse, hit by a car, mauled by a dog, etc. There is a woman on here who's dog got out and she's fighting tooth and nail to get him back. Yes some people answered a little more negatively than neccessary, but before you judge them, find out just how many animals they've had die in their arms or they've also nursed back to health.

Nosila, before you abandon us because your first visit was unpleasant, stick around there are some nice people here. And several of the members are very knowledgable of cats and health issues.

clm
April 10th, 2008, 05:37 AM
Such a graceful thank-you despite the way nolisa75 was greeted and treated by some "members" of this board.

I didn't see anything wrong, it was strongly suggested she see a vet as soon as possible.

Such a graceful indictment of those who accused, criticized, judged and bullied the OP. Such a wonderful outcome.
With all of the unwanted animals in this world because of people not spaying and neutering their pets, the time to be delicate about such things has passed. Not being vets here and the fact that this cat had just given birth also warrented the OP to know how important it was for this cat to see a vet. I saw nothing wrong with the responses from the members here.

IMO, none of this is acceptable in polite society, and the occurrence of it is becoming more frequent on this board. It seems Pets.ca is devolving into a very unfriendly place.
I don't find that at all.

The worst? When the full story unfurls, the justifications, not the apologies.
There was nothing that happened at the end of this story that warrented an apology by anyone. The OP took the cat to the vet, the cat is fine and hopefully the cat (or should I truly say kitten), will hopefully now be spayed so she doesn't have more kittens.



The OP realized the seriousness of the situation, took the cat to the vet, the cat is fine, people responded about how relieved they were that the cat was going to be OK.

Cindy

Love4himies
April 10th, 2008, 06:09 AM
Rustycat:

I have to say your response to the members of this board is not better than what you accused us as being.

What Aslan has stated is so true and I agree with her whole heartedly. Thank you, Aslan for that response.

Those of us who volunteer our time and foster at humane societies that are so over burden with an overpopulation of cats and know some healthy cats have to be put down because of the lack of space, get very angry over these "accidental" pregnancies. I cry and cry when I leave the HS where I volunteer for.

All pregnancies can be avoided by spaying your pet before maturity. Having the excuse that they don't have the funds may result in additional vet bills due to the momma falling ill during pregnancy and/or after. IMO, if you don't have the funds to get the basic vet care, then you certainly can't afford an "accidental" pregnancy.

aslan
April 10th, 2008, 06:11 AM
:thumbs up Anytime love4.

duttypaws
April 10th, 2008, 06:12 AM
Such a graceful thank-you despite the way nolisa75 was greeted and treated by some "members" of this board.



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*raises hand* for once I have to agree to a point im taking to lurking more on the forum to find answers rather than asking as ive seen many first posters getting their head bit off with asking a question...

aslan
April 10th, 2008, 06:16 AM
Hi dutty, Not being confrontational so don't worry, just curious, if you got the original information that we did, how would you have posted.

duttypaws
April 10th, 2008, 06:22 AM
Hi dutty, Not being confrontational so don't worry, just curious, if you got the original information that we did, how would you have posted.

i wouldnt have ... i dont have any knowledge about new mommy cats therefore I dont comment on anything that I dont know anything about....i just read and get shocked at some snappy comments some new members get....

aslan
April 10th, 2008, 06:25 AM
K fair enough, thanks for responding.

MOOSEDRY
April 10th, 2008, 07:37 AM
hi all.

been reading the continuation of this thread, and i would like to say i do think some people were unnecessarily harsh towards nosilia. she did state in her very first post that she had been to the vet, spent $200, but had no answers. she was posting on this board hoping to find help. and, although a few people posted that, yes accidents do happen, she was attacked by one poster who said "there are no accidents!" when it comes to a cat getting pregnant.

i have had the same thing happen to me (paying money and getting no answers or the wrong answers when my cat was sick). vets are wonderful, but they are not god - they don't always have the right answers. i spent oodles of money last year on one of my cats, being told she had really bad asthma. she was seen by a "fill-in" vet at my regular animal hospital, who gave her the wrong shot (short-acting depo-medrol) - and he had patsy's chart right in front of him! she is seasonally asthmatic, and needs the long-acting version of the shot once per year. since i was unaware that she had been given the wrong shot, i watched patsy struggle to breath for a week and a half - i even ordered a puffer online (which sits collecting dust in the closet now). many calls to the vet and trips to the emergency room later $$$$$, my regular vet came back from vacation, realized the error, and gave her the correct shot (i honestly thought she'd put patsy down, as her breathing had become that bad - the wheezing made me shudder). i couldn't believe i was taking home a live cat! by the next day, she was worlds better.

then again, this year (my reg vet was away again), i was warned by "fill-ins" she probably had a blockage in her bowel. they ran the gamut of tests: bloodwork, xrays, then barium and more xrays $$$$$. then my regular vet came back, and said there was no blockage in her system - that the original xray showed an empty bowel, for god's sake. she said her white count was high in her bloodwork, so she believed she had an inflamed pancreas, and it settled down with meds and a change in diet.

all i'm trying to say, people, is that diagnostics are very expensive these days. i'm luckier than most - i can afford it. but even i don't like paying hoardes of money to vets who are missing the mark. i thank god for my regular vet, because she knows her stuff. there are plenty of vets out there who have misdiagnosed my cats and charged me lots of money while doing it.

tracy :)

badger
April 10th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Moosedry, I salute you. If I had to choose, I would rather a good diagnostician than a vet who plays kissy face with my dog or puts a hand on my shoulder when things get rough (although both are lovely). All we can do is educate ourselves as much as possible, and never ever check any part of your brain at the vet's door.
Next lesson: how to tell the vet that his/her 'educated' guess is a crock.
But even in a perceived crisis, guess where I'm going.

marko
April 10th, 2008, 01:15 PM
I agree - there is TOO MUCH HARSHNESS in this thread.

I feel the passion coming from members but the way in which that passion reads is counter-productive. You cannot teach anyone anything with a snippy, rude tone. All this does is make the majority of newbies disappear with their problems intact.

There are 100 ways to say the same thing and you'll notice that diplomacy will always work better than a harsh tone. Always.

Please try to rethink how your message sounds BEFORE hitting the send button. I also say that the goal of our board is education....but you cannot educate anyone that you have put on the defensive.


many thanks,

Marko

Hogansma
April 10th, 2008, 01:45 PM
Glad kitty is doing well!!!

One part in all this that I don't understand is if she got out, 1 week before the spaying appt., how did you or the vet know she was pregnant? Wouldn't she just have been spayed anyway?

Hmmmm

Love4himies
April 10th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Are you sure your kitty had a temp of 106? That is actually within seizure/coma range and can result in death or cell/tissue damage. Also it is extremely rare for a cat's temp to reach this high with an infection, normally it is heat stroke that causes that type of temperature.

I guess that is why I thought it soooo imperative to take the kitty to the vet again, thought the kitty's life was in danger. Sorry for my abruptness. Glad to hear you are getting her fixed. Be careful, she can go into heat any time now!

MOOSEDRY
April 10th, 2008, 02:19 PM
thank you badger. i agree with you - give me a vet anyday who knows his/her stuff over being a marcus welby type. my vet is a very unsmiling, cut thru the baloney kind of person, which puts a lot of people off, but boy does she know her stuff. i am so thankful i have her! my cats are so lucky! i hate it when she goes on vacation (it's like patsy knows she's away, and decides to get sick then - LOL!).

and marko, thank you for your support as well. there were a few of us who felt the tone was becoming a little too stern in this thread - i'm glad you felt that, too. also, thank you for mentioning the importance of education. you're right - there are many ways to say something without coming off sounding judgemental or holier-than-thou - that kind of attitude is definitely counterproductive. are we not all here for the betterment of all the pets out there?

what can be accomplished by lashing out at an owner looking desperately for some help when her budget ran dry? nosila realized it wasn't a great thing that cookie got pregnant, but at least she was dealing with the results (she bottle fed the momma and babies, for gosh sakes - she obviously cares!). we have a society here in nova scotia that specifically takes care of orphaned/abandoned kittens (bless that director's soul - she has an incubator set up in her kitchen for the underage ones!). you wouldn't believe some of the horror stories i've heard about what some people have done with unwanted litters! i'd hardly compare nosila to people like that. i'm so sorry she felt so criticized in her hour of need - i truly hope she returns and sees what a wonderful board this is.

let's just chalk this all up to a lesson learned, okay everyone?

tracy :)