Pets.ca - Pet forum for dogs cats and humans 

-->

Sorry but this is an emergency

michaelireland
March 7th, 2008, 07:34 PM
Before I get flamed , let me explain why.

I live on Rathlin Island , off the coast of Northern Ireland in the UK

At the moment we are stormbound with no chance to get to a vet until tommorow morning , which I fully intend to do. (14 hours from now)

The patient -

7 month old male cat , rescued from the wild at about 8 weeks old (have never seen any sign of a mother).

I have 2 young children 4years and 6 years , since this cat came to the house it has never bitten , scratched , growled in anger at anyone , despite the children constantly carrying it around and generally tormenting it (within reason).

Today my daughter , who is totally devoted to cuddles , came home from school and as usual ran to find her pet. She came back to the house crying and saying cuddles had spat at her when she tried to pick him up.

When i went to check the cat was indeed distressed when touched , threatening to bite or scratch.

With gentle lifting I was able to bring it to the house and it proceeded to eat some food from its dish , it seemed normal but grumpy.

After a short time I noticed it was walking slowly and with its belly close to the ground , it then lay down and seemed to be breathing rapidly and struggling.

I could no longer pick it up as that was causing too much distress , so I telephoned the nearest vet and described everything, they wanted to see it right away but alas that was impossible.

Our conclusion was that it may have been struck by a car or attacked by a dog , though there are no outward signs of any trauma.

So 8 hours later it is still very lethargic in its bed and still breathing rapidly , from very gentle stroking it would appear the most tender area it around the ribcage on both sides.

I am posting here because recently it is attempting to mew , but that is coming out as a very dry rasping sound , so i need to know if i can attempt to give some liquids , I know the vet would probably set up a drip to replace shock loss fluids but fluid by mouth is not advised .

Please help as this is true agony to watch and listen too.

Michael

Winston
March 7th, 2008, 08:12 PM
Michael I am sorry this is happening...I dont have a lot of experience other than the same conclusion you have. He sounds like he is struggling to breath. Raspy noises and rapid breaths are really not a good sign. Is there an emergency vet anywhere near you that you could some how get to? We are also battling a storm here in Ontario today! If your cat was hit I would be really worried about internal bleeding especially since you indicated no signs of visible injury. I am not sure if liquids are a good option...Could you give him just a few drops at a time. Maybe keep him in a quiet room away from noise and hopefully he will pull through this....I guess he is an outdoor cat so is he up to date on shots and stuff? no signs before today that he was getting ill?

Cindy

Element~5
March 7th, 2008, 08:15 PM
I'm not sure what is wrong with your little one, it could be a number of things.

All I would suggest until you are able to get to the vet is to keep him warm (water bottles/heating blankets wrapped in towels) and keep him as comfortable as possible. The body will cut off all blood supply to "non" vital organs when there is shock/trauma to the body, therefore allowing more blood to be distributed to the more vital organs in the body that is needed for survival. Providing warmth for him will help his body have less work to do.

If he will not drink water, then don't attempt to give him anything. If there is internal damage, stimulation of organs will just make it worse. Good luck and keep us posted :)

michaelireland
March 7th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Nope chance of a vet tonight , we are offshore with no boats sailing due to darkness and stormy weather.

I was able to give about 5ml of natural water in a syringe used by the children to take medicine orally , cat was very glad to get it apparently.

He is wrapped gently in a quiet room with a warm hot water bottle. Seems not much more I can do really but wait .

want4rain
March 7th, 2008, 09:22 PM
its a long wait!! hopefully enough of us will be on to help your moral through this time. im so sorry. :( crummy day for bad things to happen huh?? i have no advice, just support. :(

-ash

jessi76
March 7th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Would it be possible to phone an emergency vet or animal hospital somewhere near you for advice over the phone? If possible, that's what I'd do. most will say they want to see the animal, but perhaps if you explain that you can't due to weather, they may be able to offer a suggestion by phone. not to replace care, just suggestions on keeping the poor cat as comfortable as possible until you can get in for an evaluation. in the meantime, I hope your kitty hangs on and pulls through. keep us posted if you can.

:pray:

krdahmer
March 7th, 2008, 10:56 PM
http://www.whataboutcats.com/firstaid.html

Check that site there may be something you can check now there with tips for something you can do until you can get to the vet. I am so sorry you are so cut off, as your cat needs attention asap. Your kitty and you and your family have my prayers tonight. :pray: :goodvibes::grouphug:

Deda Brada
March 8th, 2008, 02:41 AM
Hi Michael

I agree with your opinion that your cat has been hurt, no matter how. He is in pain now, it would be good if you could reduce his pain somehow. ******There's nothing else I should try, because maybe it could do him more harm then benefit.

Best wishes to you and your fur-kid from Deda

growler~GateKeeper
March 8th, 2008, 02:49 AM
Deda Brada Please do not give out medication dosaging information you are not a vet, you have not seen this cat, you do not know how this medication will affect his lungs and you do not know if this medication will cause harmful reactions in this cat especially if he has internal injuries


michaelireland want to send you lots of :goodvibes::goodvibes: for Cuddles & :pray: the storm passes quickly so you can get Cuddles to the vet. Please do update us after he's been seen by the dr & let us know how he is.

Deda Brada
March 8th, 2008, 03:35 AM
Well, I can hardly understand some of you people. When some says emergency, I believe he means right that. Instead, he could say: "Hi folks, lets chat a little". I am not a vet, that's right, but people named in brackets are. They are doctors who determined dosage of medication after thorough clinical exams. I didn't give any information, they did. By the way, ask your vet whether he ever saw their names. More than that, I administered this medication to my cat Mala Cveta when she broke her leg. Her lungs are still fine, thank you.

I believe I'm scriptural enough to read and understand recommendations from experts who carried out examinations. I administer medications very often. Some people are not lucky enough to have quality medical care on hand, so they must survive by virtue of their own skill and knowledge.

growler~GateKeeper
March 8th, 2008, 03:47 AM
I am not a vet........More than that, I administered this medication to my cat Mala Cveta when she broke her leg. Her lungs are still fine, thank you.

Your cats lungs may be fine that's great but Michealireland's cat is having breathing difficulties do you know with absolute certainity how this medication will affect a cat who is having breathing difficulties? No you don't cuz you're not a vet!

Perhaps you should read this to know why we pet owners not vets should not give medication advice http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=12673

Deda Brada
March 8th, 2008, 06:39 AM
Your cats lungs may be fine that's great but Michealireland's cat is having breathing difficulties do you know with absolute certainity how this medication will affect a cat who is having breathing difficulties? No you don't cuz you're not a vet!

I must disappoint you! I know with absolute certainty what the effect of **** on cat's lungs is, and what are it's side effects. Do you know, with absolute certainty, that Michealireland's cat is having breathing difficulties? Rapid breathing, together with shortness of breath, is the symptom of strong pain, but why would I write about it? Search the web, and you'll learn many things, or you'll learn nothing if you don't want it. The choice is yours.

Winston
March 8th, 2008, 06:44 AM
He mentions breathing difficulty here:


After a short time I noticed it was walking slowly and with its belly close to the ground , it then lay down and seemed to be breathing rapidly and struggling.

I could no longer pick it up as that was causing too much distress , so I telephoned the nearest vet and described everything, they wanted to see it right away but alas that was impossible.

Our conclusion was that it may have been struck by a car or attacked by a dog , though there are no outward signs of any trauma.

So 8 hours later it is still very lethargic in its bed and still breathing rapidly , from very gentle stroking it would appear the most tender area it around the ribcage on both sides.

I am posting here because recently it is attempting to mew , but that is coming out as a very dry rasping sound , so i need to know if i can attempt to give some liquids , I know the vet would probably set up a drip to replace shock loss fluids but fluid by mouth is not advised .

Please help as this is true agony to watch and listen too.

Michael

I think the point being made for you is that we are not vets here and when dealing with medications, pills etc that is better left for someone who has the veterinary experience. What if given wrong information something happens to the animal?? I would feel terrible.

Cindy

Cindy

aslan
March 8th, 2008, 07:00 AM
Michealireland, I hope the baby made it through the night comfortably and the storm has ended. When the children on this post stop arguing maybe they will be supportive.

Deda Brada
March 8th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Dear Winston

It is very difficult, even impossible, to argue with someone who knows nothing about subject. Has it ever happened that somebody brooks serious effects from pain relieving medication, regardless of the kind of pain he suffers? If you are aware of such event, please let me know.

When I subscribed on this forum, I expected to meet people who know something about cats, who have personal experience and who can help me with their advices, not only send me words of sympathy. I don't want to be indecent, but I don't need words of cored sympathy.

Sugarcatmom is one of those persons whose mails I am looking forward to.

want4rain
March 8th, 2008, 08:46 AM
Michealireland how are things this morning? when you get some time, an update?? we're worried about you guys. :(

-ashley

chico2
March 8th, 2008, 08:55 AM
I hope the poor cat pulled through over night:pray:
We are a little spoiled here,with a vet in nearly every streetcorner(in my town),I cannot even begin to comprehend what I would do in michaelirlands case.

Deda Brada,giving sympathy and understanding is often the only help we can offer,maybe up someones spirit,even when it's a very difficult situation.
I find all the sympathy,understanding and experience I get from our Forum is invaluable,even if we cannot magically cure any animal.:cat:

Blathach
March 8th, 2008, 09:00 AM
Please get back to the concerns of the OP or this thread will be closed. It is against board policy to prescribe any type of medication over the internet. There is no substitute to the prognosis of a professional vet.

Winston
March 8th, 2008, 09:03 AM
Hey there! I am not here to argue..I just posted the section of the email that indicated the breathing difficulty the kitty was having....

I really hope this poor kitty has pulled through the night! It must have been a long night for this family! I am positive that there are many good vibes that went out for this family! last night from this forum!!

Cindy

Love4himies
March 8th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Please give us an update as soon as you can.
:pray: that your kitty will be OK.

michaelireland
March 8th, 2008, 12:26 PM
OK finally back , and yes that is the turnaround time for a visit to the vet.

Got cuddles to the clinic at 10:30 am , 45min boat trip + 40 min taxi trip.

So outcome -

Good news I guess in that the cat has 6 broken ribs , broken on or near the center of his chest.

Vet gave painkilling injections , anti-inflamatory injections + anti-biotic injection in case this was another animal attack. So its a few days of tlc and everything should be normal.

Now the cause is a different matter , the vet alost entirely ruled out a collision from a car as the trauma doesnt match , attack from another animal seems unlikely as no sign of skin trauma. So we are left with the sad assumption that this may well have been a human attack , the breaks made a good match for the toe of a large boot :frustrated:

I must thank all on this board for their thoughts and concerns , I never really expected any miracle cure at the time of the OP , but sharing helped me through a long night.

Also I would never administer medication unless instructed by a vet I know personally , heck I was even wary about giving water.

So once again thank you all.

badger
March 8th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Poor thing. I'm glad you could get him to the vet quickly and the news is not too catastrophic. Having had a broken rib myself, I can't imagine the pain of six. Will you report it?
Your location intrigues me. Which island are you on?
If you have a camera, start clicking, beginning with the invalid. We love pictures!!

cpietra16
March 8th, 2008, 12:46 PM
some people do not deserve to share this earth...I am glad your baby will be ok. I hope you find out who belongs to the large boot and boot him one:mad:

Stacer
March 8th, 2008, 12:47 PM
I just saw this thread now, I'm so glad that your cat is going to be alright. BOO, HISS to the bugger who kicked your little feline. Keep him close.

I was in Ireland a few years back and fell in love, we tried to find jobs and move there but it didn't work out :(

Pictures of the little survivor please!! :D

sugarcatmom
March 8th, 2008, 01:19 PM
Phew, I wasn't sure if I wanted to check this post this morning. I'm sooooo glad your kitty is going to be okay! How traumatic for both of you (and your family) to spend the night like that.

As for whoever the wearer of the boots might be (I hope they fall head-first down a long flight of stairs), do you have any nasty cat-hating neighbors that you know about?

Best wishes for your cat's speedy recovery.

Love4himies
March 8th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Whew I am so glad your kitty is going to be OK. People are so mean :yell::sad::mad:.

Umm do you have any pictures you can post of cuddles :cloud9:

chico2
March 8th, 2008, 02:35 PM
:thumbs upthat's great news,not that he got kicked,but that it's somethingg that will heal.
I've had a few broken ribs,no wonder he did not want to be touched,it hurts:yell:
This made my day,thanks:highfive:

Frenchy
March 8th, 2008, 03:14 PM
ouf ! I am so relieved ! Thank you for taking this cat asap to your vet ! Speedy recovery to your cat , and please keep it inside , if someone did this , next time it could be worse :sad:

michaelireland
March 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Hes good at looking sorry for himself :sick:

http://i26.tinypic.com/2ng5uro.jpg

Frenchy
March 8th, 2008, 03:22 PM
He's a beauty ! :cat:

hazelrunpack
March 8th, 2008, 03:23 PM
Whew! Scary night for you, but I'm glad that your cat is going to be okay. :grouphug:

hazelrunpack
March 8th, 2008, 03:23 PM
He sure is a gorgeous kitty! I love his color! :lovestruck:

sugarcatmom
March 8th, 2008, 03:42 PM
Awww, what a beautiful silver colour.

Just curious, are there any livestock in your area? Could it be possible that he got kicked by a cow or horse or sheep?

marko
March 8th, 2008, 03:48 PM
I too am very glad that your kitty will be ok! :highfive: and cute pic!

chico2
March 8th, 2008, 04:51 PM
Aww he is a beauty,maybe trying to keep him close to home would be a good idea,away from who or whatever kicked him:cat:
Please stick around,we'd love to hear how he's doing,ok..

Love4himies
March 8th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Ohhhh Cuddles is beautiful :lovestruck::cloud9:, I second Chico's advice to keep him inside to keep him safe.

Winston
March 8th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Glad to see the update and the very cute pic! I wonder what kind of person can do this sort of thing and it just makes me ill!! I really hope that what goes around comes around you know...Sending good vibes your way for a speedy recovery...

Cindy

CyberKitten
March 8th, 2008, 10:28 PM
Just saw this thread and wanted to express my relief!!! I am not happy someone hurt your cat but thrilled he survived thx to you!!! I can understand your concern about meds- it is never good to give meds to a cat - I am a doctor (for humans, lol) and I would never administer meds to my pets without contacting my vet first!! And she knows my cats. No one here nor you could even diagnose what had happened so your poor kitty had a bad night but hopefully he will recuperate and the pain meds he is receiving now will help him.

Sending out good thoughts from an Irish Canadian who has done some work at Trinity College - far fro where you are I know but then again, the country is about the same size as my native province of New Brunswick interestingly enough. (hold duel citizenship actually) tho in the Republic but sure, aren't we all Irish, lol

clm
March 8th, 2008, 10:49 PM
He's a beautiful kitty. I just love his fluffy gray fur. He's got the luck of the Irish on his side now that he's with you. :thumbs up

Cindy

growler~GateKeeper
March 8th, 2008, 10:53 PM
michealireland I'm so glad to hear Cuddles is doing good :highfive: Lots of TLC for your gorgeous boy is in order now :D

I'm also very glad you didn't attempt any self medication :)

I hope you'll consider keeping Cuddles as an indoor only kitty from now on :fingerscr

otter
March 8th, 2008, 11:00 PM
I'm so happy to hear cuddles was OK under your watchful eye and in your caring hands until you could get him to a vet. I totally know the anguish you must have been feeling (I live a 3 hour drive from the nearest vet and i've been stuck at home with a sick dog and had the highway closed, a total nightmare!).

I sure hope you stay and hang out on the site. The people here have been incredibly supportive to me and helpful with caring advice and i've so appreciated it when i've been far from vet care. :thankyou:

krdahmer
March 8th, 2008, 11:14 PM
Whew! I am so glad to hear that he will be ok... but so saddened to hear that it may have been human inflicted!:sad::mad: Maybe this would be a good time to transition to a safer indoor lifestyle... I know over there it is pretty common to let cats roam, but clearly that's not the safest thing to do anymore with all these creeps, weirdos and psychos nowadays.

I am really really happy that he'll be ok:grouphug:... and hope you stick around and share some more pics with us:thumbs up... he's so handsome!! :lovestruck:

rainbow
March 9th, 2008, 03:06 AM
Very glad to hear that Cuddles will be okay :thumbs up .....he is very handsome btw. :lovestruck: And, I hope karma visits the person that is responsible for the injuries. :evil: Please keep us updated on Cuddle's recovery. :fingerscr

Deda Brada
March 9th, 2008, 04:01 AM
Hey there! I am not here to argue..I just posted the section of the email that indicated the breathing difficulty the kitty was having....

I really hope this poor kitty has pulled through the night! It must have been a long night for this family! I am positive that there are many good vibes that went out for this family! last night from this forum!!

Cindy

Cindy

Michael wrote: "Vet gave painkilling medication ...". That's normal, whenever one has strong pain, it must be relieved. You don't need to be doctor to know and understand it. By that time, poor kitten suffered intense, very intense pain. How long? 24 hours, maybe more? Have you ever had broken ribs? I have had only two broken ribs at a time, and it is awful! Imagine six! Nobody's words of sympathy helped me, but pain relieving medication.

Deda

Winston
March 9th, 2008, 07:04 AM
LIke I said! I am glad your cuddles is doing well..Keep us posted in his regarding his progress....

Cindy

Love4himies
March 9th, 2008, 11:55 AM
How is Cuddles today? Been thinking of him.

Love4himies
March 9th, 2008, 11:57 AM
Cindy

Michael wrote: "Vet gave painkilling medication ...". That's normal, whenever one has strong pain, it must be relieved. You don't need to be doctor to know and understand it. By that time, poor kitten suffered intense, very intense pain. How long? 24 hours, maybe more? Have you ever had broken ribs? I have had only two broken ribs at a time, and it is awful! Imagine six! Nobody's words of sympathy helped me, but pain relieving medication.

Deda

Yes, I think we all agree with you, Deda Brada, but members of this forum should not be the ones to recommend meds unless we are in the profession.

duttypaws
March 9th, 2008, 01:47 PM
hes a handsome one.. .although feeling a little sorry for himself.

its a cruel world... my aunts dog used to wander and once we found him at the end of the street with a hole in his head (the vet simply said he assumed someone hit him with something hard and sharp) ... its a cruel world and well i'll never understand people like that . :(

Kashi
March 9th, 2008, 08:57 PM
I'm glad Cuddles pulled through the night. He's a lucky kitty to have someone there to keep him warm and comforted.

Hope his recovery is speedy.

want4rain
March 9th, 2008, 09:40 PM
:lovestruck: oh my gosh look at that noble long face!! he is so handsome!! give him some of those sleepy, contented kitty blinks from the Swift Tribe!! it is SUCH a relief he will be ok.

-ashley

loopoo
March 9th, 2008, 11:35 PM
what a beautiful cat.. i am so glad after reading all this that he is recovering:)

Deda Brada
March 10th, 2008, 02:14 AM
Yes, I think we all agree with you, Deda Brada, but members of this forum should not be the ones to recommend meds unless we are in the profession.

Please don't grasp me wrong, but I know about medications used in cats much more than my local vet does, although he is "in the profession". That's why I travel over 50 miles to Belgrade whenever some of my cats is ill. What would you say if your vet administered gentamicin to your pet sick from tonsillitis, though it is well known that the main causer of tonsillitis is virus, the second is streptococcus pyogenes, Gram-positive bacterium (on which gentamicin has trashy effect)? Or when he administered holeretic menbutone, which must not be used in cats, almost killing poor creature?! Ask your vet about it.

Knowing nothing is the privilege of those people who have everything.

Blathach
March 10th, 2008, 07:04 AM
This is the last warning. Please get back to the subject of the OP or this thread will be closed.

danaekitty
March 10th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Michael, I'm so glad Cuddles is okay. You were very brave for him, and it must have been so hard for you to play the waiting game overnight. Cuddles is such a handsome cat...keep him close to home!

jessi76
March 10th, 2008, 09:36 AM
such a relief to read that Cuddles will be ok!!! I do hope you stay on the forum and keep us updated periodically on Cuddles... and more pics wouldn't hurt either... :D

phoozles
March 10th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Your kitten is adorable :lovestruck:
I'm glad you got a diagnosis - it must have been heartwrenching to wait, but hopefully Cuddles will be on the mend very soon! :goodvibes:
And kudos to you for taking this little one in and giving it a chance at a great life! :grouphug:

Love4himies
March 10th, 2008, 01:34 PM
Please give us an update and more pictures would be great too

CyberKitten
March 10th, 2008, 10:14 PM
I do not mean to go offtopic- just wondered how Cuddles was doing and wanted to say I forgot to say what a beautiful cat he is!!! Hope he is progressing well!