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No political debate!!!

June 18th, 2004, 08:48 AM
I am not overly political,but to all you Harper-fans out there,don't be fooled by his holier than thou face....he's still a Ralph Klein-Brian Mulroney-Stockwell Day-Harris-Eves clone,we Ontarians as well as Albertans know how dangerous these people can be!!
Sorry,but I feel very strongly about this,don't want a political debate...

June 18th, 2004, 12:04 PM
Here here Anita I couldn't have said that better myself!!

Reform - Alliance - Progressive Conserv merger to just now Conservative

I see smoke and fire on this one! This guys a Mike Harris clone for sure. If you're wealthy CEO's and executives pulling in 6figure incomes this guys for you! BUT wait, only if your caucasion. ;)

OOpse did I say that?

June 18th, 2004, 01:22 PM
You are so right to be scared of this guy. He will be our own George Bush, I shudder to think of what he could do. He basically wants to desimate the film industry which would loose approx. 3 Billion dollars in revenue to our city and that is just Toronto not what would be lost Canada wide. So think before you vote and don't fall for a false face.

June 18th, 2004, 01:23 PM
How can one chose a candidate anymore? I mean really.....they never keep the promises they make!! So what they say is just B***S**** to get your vote......then they do what ever the H*** they want :mad:

June 18th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Yes,Iggette I know what you mean,it's more like chosing the lesser of three evils,but isn't it always?
I am actually very concerned about Harper winning and forming a government,we in Ontario know what the PC's did,poisoned water,teacher-strikes etc....His closest advisor is Brian Mulroney,remember Brian and his free trade agreement etc..

June 18th, 2004, 01:49 PM
The only thing I can say I like about Brian Mulroney is his son Ben ;)

Ya I remember all too well thinking we were going to be the next 'state' during the Mulroney years.

Myself for many years I was fond of many aspects of the Liberal party. Dalton McGuinty has changed my views now as has the cover up with the federal FIBerals on the sponsorship scandal (so who knew about it Mr. Martin, ya never did answer that question) Figures the 'report' will be out AFTER the election (sneaky sneaky)

Well, thats it for me and those two parties! I AM a fan of Jack Layton from his counsellor days here in Toronto.

I'm really p'd off with the fiberals right now! Their idiotic approach to reducing health care waits, premiums and so called better health care by lowering the deficit through getting rid of OHIP covered things like Optometry, Chiropractic care and Physiotherapy.

I could go on for eons about how this is going to back fire....

Starting the ball off by 'everyone' who can't afford to pay an optometrist has to go to an Ophthalmologist. The current referral wait to Opthalmologists is roughly 3 weeks in 'serviced' areas. Underserviced areas people are waiting close to a 'year' for consultation.

This you can double now.

Physio and Chiropractic care keep people pain free and mobile, able to work and not paying out millions of dollars in narcotic pain management. Well you're gonna see an incline of prescription pain med addicts who can't go to work and end up needing to go to a pain management clinic.

Funny how'those' things are covered by OHIP yet cost MORE! Hmmmm

Now an Optometrist does not bill OHIP the same fee schedule an Ophthalmologist does so an Optometrist can see 2 pts for the price of 1 pt or even .5 pt of an Opthlalmologist. Hmm costs more 'again'

OH geeze see I got started now :D
shuttin up for a bit lmao

June 18th, 2004, 06:59 PM
First I must say that politics irk me, whoever can lie the best is the winner..How sad is that? Second No matter how bad the Ralph Kleins of the world are they do have some priceless verbal Diarrhea! Like the Drunken Klein who accosts people at homless shelters and tells them to get jobs....
What was that all about? I hate the fact that they cut out chiro....but add sex change ops...another priceless moment.
My boyfriend said that he was going to make us get sex changes just to prove a point(he's so weid sometimes), Thank God that they amended that rule or I would have to change my whole profile.....

June 19th, 2004, 03:56 PM
Luba,you are right the Liberals screwed up,but by punishing them we could end up with Harper,Miss Stronach,Harris and Mulroney as advisers,just thinking of it makes me very concerned about my Canada.
Ralph Klein is an uneducated looney-tune and Albertans better braze themselves for his "Health-care reform",since my son lives there I am a bit concerned.He pays $135 every three month in health-premiums and there is loads of stuff not covered.
I too have always liked Layton and his wife?But there is no way on earth we could afford an NDP government and he knows it,thats why he can come up with all these wonderful ideas for the home-less and the poor..
I think McGuinty did what he had to do,but they better come clean about this scandal and soon.
But Harper as a would be the downfall of my beloved Canada :mad:

June 19th, 2004, 11:08 PM
(magnet on my refrigerator)

"Politics may not be the oldest profession but the results are the same!"

June 20th, 2004, 11:38 AM
I pray every night that Albertans will come to their senses and not vote in Klein again.....he is a monster and will stop at nothing to better himself...he doesn't give a rats ass about people....seniors and children in particular! Our education system is crumbling, I shudder to think of what he is going to do to our health care, and he is just an all around slime ball extraodinairre!

I got an interesting email today....had some good points but tried to convince the reader to vote I just took it with a grain of salt. Please DO NOT think I support these thoughts...just wanted to share what I thought was interesting! I am NO Harper fan, thats for sure!!

My name is Alan Robberstad
> > I am a Canadian.
> > One voter out of millions of Canadian voters.
> >
> > Paul Martin is no friend of mine.
> > Liberal governments have not made my life any better.
> > Liberal governments have made the future worse for my
> > children.
> >
> > Jean Chretien and the Liberal Party became Prime
> > Minister many years ago.
> > Guess who was the Liberal Finance Minister.....Paul
> > Martin...LEST WE FORGET
> >
> > Since 1993:
> > (1) My taxes have increased.
> > (2) My family's share of the national debt has increased.
> > (3) My personal expenses have increased.
> > (4) My waiting time to see a doctor has increased.
> > (5) My concerns for my family's safety have increased.
> > (6) My costs to educate my children have increased.
> > (7) Government interference in my life has increased.
> > (8) My personal debt has increased.
> > (9) My income has stayed more or less the same.
> > (10) My savings have decreased.
> > (11) The buying power of my dollar, in Canada, has decreased.
> > (12) The value of my dollar, in the U.S., has decreased.
> > (13) My trust of elected officials has decreased.
> > (14) My trust in the justice system has decreased.
> > (15 )My trust in the immigration system has decreased.
> > (16) My hope that a Liberal won't waste my tax dollars has
> decreased.
> > (17 )My dreams for a better future for my kids, in Canada,
> > disappeared.
> >
> > That is my story since the Liberals came to power.
> >
> > I am not voting for Paul Martin's Liberals.
> > I am voting against Paul Martin and his Liberal Party on June 28,
> >
> > I am voting for Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party.
> >
> > Do I like the Conservatives?
> > Not particularly......I don't really like Politics.
> > I am not political by nature.
> > I am not passionate about politics.
> > I am a middle age guy (48).
> > I live in a small house on a fairly quiet street in Edmonton.
> > I have a wife, Kathy, and two children (ages 19 and 17).
> > I have no pets.
> > I am a middle class man.
> > I don't usually say too much.
> >
> > Until now.
> >
> > Now I am going to say something!
> >
> > In 35 of the past 37 years, Canada has been ruled by:
> > (1) Pierre Trudeau - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.
> > (2) Brian Mulroney - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.
> > (3) Jean Chretien - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.
> > (4) And now we are going to vote for Paul Martin???? - a
> > multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec???
> >
> > The leader of the Conservative party, Stephen Harper, is:
> > (1) Not a lawyer.
> > (2) Not a multi-millionaire.
> > (3) Not from Quebec.
> >
> > Stephen Harper says that the Conservative party will:
> > (1) Reduce my taxes.
> > (2) Pay off the national debt as fast as they can.
> > (3) Shrink the size and influence of the federal government.
> >
> > That's good enough for me.
> > I'm going to give the Conservative party a chance with my vote.
> >
> > But wait!
> > Paul Martinis now saying the same thing.
> > My mother told me forty years ago:
> > "Fool me once - shame on you.
> > Fool me twice - shame on me!"
> >
> > The Liberals have had 34 years to be financially responsible.
> > Remember, Jean Chretien was Trudeau's Finance Minister.
> > Remember also, Paul Martin was Jean Chretien's Finance Minister
> > These people have been raising my taxes for thirty four years.
> > They have been mis-spending my tax dollars for 34 years.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 34 years!
> >
> >
> >
> > And now Paul Martin says he'll stop taxing and spending.
> > No way.
> >
> > Thank you for reading my story so far!
> >
> > Why am I telling my story to you?
> >
> > Although I feel alone, I know that I am not alone.
> > Your story may be similar to mine.
> > And you may also feel alone.
> > One small voter in the midst of millions of voters.
> >
> > What can you and I do together to change things?
> >
> > Here is my idea:
> > Lets you and I join up together.
> > Just you and I.
> > Together.
> > As a small team of two.
> >
> > How can you and I fight a huge political machine?
> >
> > You and I have two things that we can use:
> > (1) Our individual personal connections.
> > (2) The Internet.
> >
> > The Internet is supposed to be this global zing tool, right?
> > Let's put it to use.
> >
> > I have 27 Canadians in my personal e-mail address book.
> > I am sending this e-mail to each of them.
> >
> > I'm asking you to do two things:
> > (1) Forward this e-mail to every Canadian in your own address
> > (2) Vote against Paul Martin and the Liberal Party on June 28.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vote for the Conservative candidate in your riding.
> >
> > I have probably written this e-mail too late.
> > As I said I am not politically adroit.
> > I feel like Peter Finch, in the 1976 movie "Network",
> > when he shouted:
> >
> > "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
> >
> > Please, forward the e-mail RIGHT NOW!!
> >
> > As I type these last few words the voting begins in less than 18
> > 432 hours till voting begins.
> > I hope the Internet is as fast as some people claim it is.
> >
> > This may not work.
> > This e-mail may "fizzle out" and go nowhere.
> > But you and I will have tried, won't we have?
> > My best wishes to you.
> > My best wishes to Canadians everywhere.
> > My thanks to David Stokes from Toronto
> > He actually wrote this just (5) days before the last federal
> > election in 2000.
> > Fool me once - shame on you.
> > Fool me twice - shame on me!"
> >
> > Alan Robberstad
> > Edmonton, Alberta
> > June 10, 2004@ 3:00 p.m.

June 20th, 2004, 04:35 PM
Catt31,I agree with you about Ralph Klein,every time I hear him try to talk,I am stunned that anyone who seems completely without class or manners could ever make it as a premier of a province.
As for Harper,he is is wolf in sheeps clothing,familyman,goes to church regularly,is not a millionaire,but I bet he will be if he takes office :D
Taxcuts have to be paid for from somewhere and usually comes from education,healthcare,the poor and homeless.
I sincerely hope it will not happen,we in Ontario know what arrogant,meanspirited asses(not a profanity :D )the Pc's are.

June 20th, 2004, 06:10 PM
babykitty, have the op, it might give a new perspective on life, and if not well at least clothing is cheaper for men :D . so sorry that the world is inundated by crappy politicians, in first year at uni a wise man told me- the word politician means this- poly=many, tics=blood sucking parasites, yes i agree with that. bad pollies are everywhere, i shake my head daily at the aussie government, have you seen a pic of our primeminister, omg, he looks like a very ugly beaver and has the character and brains to match gosh, it is sooo embarassing when he goes to america, i wish he would wear a paper bag, and he is weird so the world thinks we are weird for electing him, he wont be around long though. oh and he snorts alot and giggles like a deviant, so not a good look :eek: