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Neopolitan Mastiff with itchy,dry, welts.

OnelnAMiII25
February 29th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Ok where do I start....1st, She has been to the vet and this is not an emergency. I'm def not one of those people, 2nd--Gianna, my neopolitan mastiff has pancreatic insufficiency which is under control with diet and medicine. For the past 3 or 4 months her skin has been very dry, itchy, and she has "spots" that are raised and almost look wet or oily. I recently just moved to Illinois, one of the "corn capitals" of the world, and found out in October when they harvested the corn that she was allergic to that. Her ears blew up to 2 times there size. I gave benadryl for that which seemed to help, and after all the harvesting was done it stopped. A couple weeks after that I started to notice the dry skin. I really thought nothing of it since it was winter and the heat was on, i figured that was the reason. Until one time I got curious and shaved a little part of hair to see the welts under neath. I found out that it was a little infected and i immdeiatley put her on anti biotics. That went away, but a couple weeks later the welts and the dry skin came back. I just recently went to NJ where my mom works for a vet and they did some testing and spoke to a dermatologist who said she was propably allergic to "corn and chicken." they said to chnage her food to i think it was called ZD science diet, well that didn't work b/c of her other diseas. They also put her on anti biotics for 3 weeks and temaril. She was and is still on WD science diet. I know im not a vet, but she's always been on WD food, and never had this problem. the wd has chicken and corn in it i believe. She's been on this stuff now for almost a week, and it doens't seem to be helping. So my question is..... Have you ever heard or seen anything like this before? I'm sure you haven't seen many pancreatic insufficiency dogs.... but I do not think one has anything to do with the other. Gianna is my baby, and theres nothing i wouldn't do for her, and it kills me to think she's in pain or so very itchy. I just want to fix this problem and I figure it doen't hurt to ask others.

OnelnAMiII25
February 29th, 2008, 09:43 PM
I just got an update from my mom from the test Gianna got while we were in New Jersey. She is NOT allergic to ANYTHING! Which kind of disappoints me in a way and makes me glad all at the same time. I just want to know whats wrong with her.

hazelrunpack
February 29th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Has a vet done a scraping to check for mites? It sounds a bit like mange... :shrug:

OnelnAMiII25
February 29th, 2008, 10:04 PM
Has a vet done a scraping to check for mites? It sounds a bit like mange... :shrug:

When she was a puppy, since her imune system was so bad (b4 we could figure out what she had) she had mange. I remember what that looked like, she lost her hair with that. These are just raised welts that are dry skin. When we were at the Vet with my mom, i told her to do a blood test and a skin scraping while we were there just in case it wasn't the allergies. (guess i was right) The decided against it. My mom said she would speak to the Vet she was working with tonight and see what she wants me to do. I was trying not to have to go to these vets her in Illinois, but i may just take her to have askin scraping. But i'll wait to hear what the vet wants to do in jersey.

pitgrrl
February 29th, 2008, 10:42 PM
Isn't allergy testing known to be fairly inaccurate for food allergies?

pamha
February 29th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Where are you in Illinois? If you`re anywhere near Champaign, see if you can get an appt at the university vet school. I`ve heard so many good reports of how they`ve treated dogs with allergies and cancers, I imagine they would go to great lengths to help you. Its not terribly costly, at least as compared to what a normal vet would charge you.
:fingerscr
I don`t have contact information myself, but it shouldn`t be too hard to find. I would definately give it a shot, it sounds like whatever is going on isn`t something your normal vet would see often enough to get to the bottom of the problem.

Good luck!

rainbow
February 29th, 2008, 11:17 PM
Are you giving her digestive enzymes with her food?

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_exocrine_pancreatic_insufficie.html

babykitten
March 1st, 2008, 12:37 AM
i have heard of this where the cells in the pancreas manufacture it digestive enzymes . try i/d it helps with acid blocker maybe as the vet to help with medication called tagamet or zantac . fat restricted diet maybe can help . malabsorption happens so which reaction in dry skin can happen , good luck hope this helped.:dog::thumbs up

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 08:40 AM
Where are you in Illinois? If you`re anywhere near Champaign, see if you can get an appt at the university vet school. I`ve heard so many good reports of how they`ve treated dogs with allergies and cancers, I imagine they would go to great lengths to help you. Its not terribly costly, at least as compared to what a normal vet would charge you.
:fingerscr
I don`t have contact information myself, but it shouldn`t be too hard to find. I would definately give it a shot, it sounds like whatever is going on isn`t something your normal vet would see often enough to get to the bottom of the problem.

Good luck!

We live in Riverton IL, which is about an hour and a half from Champaign. As of right now, our NJ vet wants to wait till all the Temrail P and anti biotics are done, which will she'll be on for another 3 weeks. I've seen no chnage in the 1st week of them, but maybe it will happen soon. Thats what I'm hoping for. But if all else fails, I may just look into the vet school. Thank you for the information.

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 08:43 AM
Are you giving her digestive enzymes with her food?

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_exocrine_pancreatic_insufficie.html

Yes she's on PanaKare Plus Powder for the enzymes along with Metronidazole ( i think this is also an antibiotic that we give her with every meal)for her gut.

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 08:50 AM
i have heard of this where the cells in the pancreas manufacture it digestive enzymes . try i/d it helps with acid blocker maybe as the vet to help with medication called tagamet or zantac . fat restricted diet maybe can help . malabsorption happens so which reaction in dry skin can happen , good luck hope this helped.:dog::thumbs up

She gets Famotidine (which is like a Zantac or Tagamet) She gets that once a day with her meal. She's also on a low fat diet WD Science Diet is a weight loss perscription diet. I know she doesn't absorb everything due to her illness, but she's been dealing with this illness for almost 6 years and now all of a sudden she's having these other problems.

I do know this, which is weird or a miracle: 2 yrs a ago, we had to do emergency surgery on her to pull out a wallet she ate (did know this at the time) that blocked her intestines. My mother and i were both in the operating room and we asked the Vet to look for her pancrease.... well were her pancrease was suppose to be, there was nothing there. Gianna has no Pancrease, and as we all know, we need our pancrease to live. without a pancrease she should be a diabetic, but she is not. And i doubt the powder we give her mimic her pancrease is doing that great of a job that she doesn't need a pancrease. so i call her my miracle baby :angel:.

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 08:54 AM
Isn't allergy testing known to be fairly inaccurate for food allergies?

I'm starting to think you may be a little right. The doctor said she wasn't allergic to anything according to corn, but i know when they harvested that corn this october, she was having an allergic reaction to that. So who knows... we have to the doctors stumped right now.:confused:

hazelrunpack
March 1st, 2008, 09:01 AM
Is it possible that instead of reacting to the corn, she was reacting to the pesticides on the corn, that were being mobilized in the dust caused by harvest? Might be an environmental allergy. :shrug:

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 09:05 AM
Wow i never thought about that. You could be right. I'm not sure how we would figure out if thats it or the corn itself. I do know that the corn thing and her dry skin now are not from the same thing. Her ears are fine, it's just her back.

hazelrunpack
March 1st, 2008, 09:08 AM
Wow...no pancreas! You've obviously given her very loving care for her to be doing as well as she has been.

:fingerscr I hope she gives you another miracle!!! :grouphug:

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 09:16 AM
Shes' a miracle all together. She was also God Send to us, we spent over $2,000 for the dog at a pet store (side note: never ever ever buy a dog from a pet store!!!!) Any other family would have given her back and got a new healthy puppy, but we had had her for over 4 months b4 we figured out what she had. Not us, this was my baby, my child and theres nothing i wouldn't do for her.

This is a little off topic, I would like to attach a couple pics of her to this thread, but i do not know how. Can anyone help?

hazelrunpack
March 1st, 2008, 09:31 AM
Are you trying to post attachments or links to a photo-sharing site?

We're the same way about our dogs. Doesn't matter what's wrong with them or how soon it surfaces after we've gotten them--they're ours! :cloud9:

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 09:38 AM
Post attachments on this thread.

breeze
March 1st, 2008, 10:01 AM
1. first you have to resize the pictures.

2 then click on post reply

3 do you see the paperclip?? click on that

4 browse select picture you want from your computer and upoload.

5 then click on the paperclip again and click on insert..

6 then click on preview post to see if thats what you wanted and add text to it if you want..

hope that helps..

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 10:06 AM
1. first you have to resize the pictures.

2 then click on post reply

3 do you see the paperclip?? click on that

4 browse select picture you want from your computer and upoload.

5 then click on the paperclip again and click on insert..

6 then click on preview post to see if thats what you wanted and add text to it if you want..

hope that helps..

I have no paper clip :confused:
I do have a button on the top that says insert pictures, but i clink on that and it wasn't a url. But i just scroled down and read that it says "I MAY NOT post attachments" Why is that? Is it b/c i'm a newbie?:shrug:

breeze
March 1st, 2008, 10:11 AM
it is possible cause you are a newbie..
I belive that there is a delayed rule for posting pictures.. you can PM marko to find out when you can post pictures..

BAILEYSMUDGE
March 1st, 2008, 10:26 AM
After 5 posts... you're supposed to be able to attach pictures.... Below the "submit reply" but is a box called "Additional Attachments" box.... look down and you should see a button called "Manage Attachments".... click that and follow the prompts.... make sure the pictures are not larger than 100 kb's.

I was wondering OneInaMill25, with all the extras you've now got her on...could it be that some of them are not compatible???

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 10:35 AM
After 5 posts... you're supposed to be able to attach pictures.... Below the "submit reply" but is a box called "Additional Attachments" box.... look down and you should see a button called "Manage Attachments".... click that and follow the prompts.... make sure the pictures are not larger than 100 kb's.

I was wondering OneInaMill25, with all the extras you've now got her on...could it be that some of them are not compatible???

About the pics, i guess I just have to wait a little bit longer to post pics. But thank you.

About the compatiblity, the 3 main things she's on...the pancrease powder, the acid reducer and the Metronidazole, she's been on those for years with no problems. So i'm thinking thats not the problem. And the Vet in NJ knows all of the meds she's on, so i would hope she would know if they all could be combined. I'm Alea, just so u dont have to call me by my screen name.. it just seems so impersonal ;)

BAILEYSMUDGE
March 1st, 2008, 11:03 AM
Hi Alea... I'm Barb. Sometimes meds can suddenly become incompatible...that's why I was asking. I hope Gianna feels better soon... I think the vet school in Champaign is a good idea.... let's hope she won't need it though.:cloud9:

breeze
March 1st, 2008, 11:17 AM
:offtopic: hi Alea, I think there might be another way for the pictures, not sure if it will work..there might be a time delay also..

are you a member of photobucket or something simirlar?? then maybe you can post the link to the pictures. copy the url number and past it in here.. or copy the code for single pictures and past them in here..

like I said it might not work, if not then we will all just have to be patient to see your miracle..

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 11:24 AM
I finally figured it out, that took forever to make smaller. theres got to be an easier way. This is the beast (aka Gianne Amore Blu)

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At the beach in NJ

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Thats her baby named Jack she got for X-mas!

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This is her in the car driving to NJ, She has to always somewhat be near the front of the car and always touching you.

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 11:28 AM
:offtopic: hi Alea, I think there might be another way for the pictures, not sure if it will work..there might be a time delay also..

are you a member of photobucket or something simirlar?? then maybe you can post the link to the pictures. copy the url number and past it in here.. or copy the code for single pictures and past them in here..

like I said it might not work, if not then we will all just have to be patient to see your miracle..

I do have photo bucket... lt me see if ths works. These pics are from that.....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/onelnamiii25/Picture192.jpg

breeze
March 1st, 2008, 11:29 AM
this is the program I use and it is very easy to use

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=24119

hope this helps.. just click on the link and it will explain how to use it.. like I said it is very easy..


she is beautiful!!!!!

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 11:32 AM
:offtopic: hi Alea, I think there might be another way for the pictures, not sure if it will work..there might be a time delay also..

are you a member of photobucket or something simirlar?? then maybe you can post the link to the pictures. copy the url number and past it in here.. or copy the code for single pictures and past them in here..

like I said it might not work, if not then we will all just have to be patient to see your miracle..

I didn't mean to send that, meant to hit preview.....

more:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/onelnamiii25/Gianna3.jpg
This was her 2nd halloween. We had 3 dogs at that time... so we had a tin man and a scarecrow.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/onelnamiii25/Gianna2.jpg
She was 4 or 5 months old here.


Thats all i had on my photo bucket, i'll upload more right now. A little tired since it took me like an hour to figure this all out lol :sleepy:

BAILEYSMUDGE
March 1st, 2008, 11:35 AM
Hello Gianne.... ahhhh... Gotta love those eyes!

OnelnAMiII25
March 1st, 2008, 11:41 AM
this is the program I use and it is very easy to use

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=24119

hope this helps.. just click on the link and it will explain how to use it.. like I said it is very easy..


she is beautiful!!!!!

Thank you.... I think she looks like me :laughing:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/onelnamiii25/DSCF0213.jpg

hazelrunpack
March 1st, 2008, 11:32 PM
Oh, yes! I see the resemblance! You have the same smile! :D

Gianna is gorgeous, Alea! :lovestruck: That puppy pic is just adorable! She looks so happy in all her pics.

And if hazel breaks down and calls you by your logon name in future...or abbreviates it to OIM25 (:p) it's cuz she's not 25 anymore and has no memory left! :laughing: Well, also cuz I'm :crazy:.

Sorry I abandoned you in the midst of giving pic-posting directions...:o...glad you figured it out so we could see your beautiful girl!

OnelnAMiII25
March 3rd, 2008, 01:25 PM
Just a little update....
Last couple of days her skin seems to be getting better. Still some welts here and there. But she's much less itchy and less to no dry skin when i scratch her.
I'm praying :pray: that when all these meds are done with, this stuff doesn't come back. Well 1st i pray that it goes away completley. I would hate to have to keep her on another med everyday of her life.

OnelnAMiII25
April 14th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Just a little update on Gianna skin problem..... There are no more "welts" and her skin is not so dry, the occasional flake here and there, not like it was before. But now my dog looks like a Leopard.:sad: It's hard to explain what they look like, so I will try, but I will also post some pics. They are roundish dark spots all over her. the almost look oilily, but are not. I'm telling you she really looks like a Leopard. She doesn't seem to be bothered by them either. They're not itchy either. She finished all her pills, and I guess they helped a little since most of her other symptoms are gone. I just don't know what else it could be. :wall: I just want my babies shinny coat back. Here are the pics, it's hard to see them in these pics, but anything that looks darker on here is one of these spots. There's hundreds!!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/onelnamiii25/DSCF0528.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/onelnamiii25/DSCF0527.jpg

BMDLuver
April 14th, 2008, 08:07 PM
looks very much like hives present in a horse. I'd be asking what the allergy index was at when it first started... for example, Sam I Am reacted to Poplar as the index was way high at that point of the year. What's budding and growing in your area right now... what's blowing in the wind so to speak. Allergy tests don't always test for everything and are not as conclusive when the snow is melting. They are best conducted in the dead of winter for some reason, probably related to growing seasons etc.. Just a thought

OnelnAMiII25
April 14th, 2008, 08:15 PM
looks very much like hives present in a horse. I'd be asking what the allergy index was at when it first started... for example, Sam I Am reacted to Poplar as the index was way high at that point of the year. What's budding and growing in your area right now... what's blowing in the wind so to speak. Allergy tests don't always test for everything and are not as conclusive when the snow is melting. They are best conducted in the dead of winter for some reason, probably related to growing seasons etc.. Just a thought

I had a majot allergy test done on her 2 months ago. They tested for everything in this area.....she's not allergic to anything!!!

BMDLuver
April 15th, 2008, 07:02 AM
I had a majot allergy test done on her 2 months ago. They tested for everything in this area.....she's not allergic to anything!!!

Just to clarify major allergy test, she spent 72 hours at a specialists being tested?

OnelnAMiII25
April 15th, 2008, 09:04 AM
No, her blood was sent to a dermatologist who tested for for everything. Took a week for the result to come back. If she had been allergic to anything, they would have made a serum for her which I would have injected into her once a week. But those test came back all negative.

BMDLuver
April 15th, 2008, 08:27 PM
No, her blood was sent to a dermatologist who tested for for everything. Took a week for the result to come back. If she had been allergic to anything, they would have made a serum for her which I would have injected into her once a week. But those test came back all negative.

When I had Sam I Am, we were told that he would have to go to the big Veterinary Hospital here to have a 72 hour testing and that bloodwork was not conclusive. That he would go through quite an ordeal, would cost around $3000 but we would have about 95% of his allergies diagnosed. We did not do it simply because he was going in to organ failure and was too weak to be put through more painful test. I'm not saying what you had is incorrect but perhaps not as conclusive as you believe it to be? Just some thoughts. Those that know me and what I went through with Sam I Am will tell you that I moved mountains to try and help him for a year.

OnelnAMiII25
April 16th, 2008, 08:19 AM
If Gianna was in any pain or these Leopard spots were bothering her at all, I would also move mountians to get to the bottom of them. But she's not, i think now it's just a cosmetic thing. But thank you for the info.