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Cat food for urine problem ...

Frenchy
February 7th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Yes , Paddington had an "urine blockage" earlier this week. Then he was able to go , but had blood in it. Vet got me to buy some Royal Canin Urinary SO. Paddington is doing better , the food seems to help.

My question is : what other food than the vet's can Paddy have once he's better? Because they told me he would have to be on special vet food for the rest of his life. IMO , vet food is a waste of money , way too expensive for those crappy ingredients.

Would a raw diet help ?

growler~GateKeeper
February 7th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Definately a raw diet would help, you would need to be extra careful not to have too much calcium/bone.

Wellness grain-free canned http://www.omhpet.com/wellness/cat_wellness_can_index.html,

Eagle Pack Holistic Select Canned http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_CanCat.html

both contain Cranberries, Blueberries which are good for urinary issues not kidney failure related

Frenchy
February 7th, 2008, 08:47 PM
The problem is , I can't get any premium food in my area. That's why I was thinking about raw , and both cats could eat the same food.

growler~GateKeeper
February 7th, 2008, 08:49 PM
one of Want4Rain's cats has crytals & she's raw feeding so she can better help you with the raw aspect of urinary blockages

want4rain
February 7th, 2008, 09:16 PM
YAY!! RAW!! why do i get so excited when others convert to raw feeding their cats???

Shadow gets crystals, or rather had crystals once and it was because i over fed calcium, stopped his pooper up, he stopped eating and got dehydrated. i panicked and added egg shell when i didnt need to.

when you think of the WHOLE prey model, i swear there are no issues, no matter what your brain tells you.

Shadow also eats some leafy green things and mandarin oranges, peas.

i dont think i would make any special considerations for a cat with crystals versus a cat who doesnt other than really wet down anythign you can. i make sure our fishy mix stuff always gets loads of water in it, i feed that every 4th day. serve your whole meats with a good dribble of hot water over it so it pulls a touch of the flavor out and makes the water more appealing.

do any of your cats eat cooked meat?? or even better, raw??

-ashley

growler~GateKeeper
February 7th, 2008, 09:16 PM
check this out: http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=45716

TeriM
February 7th, 2008, 09:26 PM
I would definately feed raw :thumbs up. Fred had recurring infections and once I switched to raw we have been 3 years with no problems. I use the prepackaged stuff which we have a great selection of on the west coast. I am sure that you could probably find it in the city as well (most "natural" pet stores now stock raw). I find that is is actually cheaper then the high end canned foods although and a bit more expensive then if I made my own. For me the convenience factor is definately worth it to buy pre-made.

If you have any troubles switching them over I would definately try this stuff http://www.felineinstincts.com/index.html as it seems to really attract them.

Frenchy
February 7th, 2008, 09:26 PM
do any of your cats eat cooked meat?? or even better, raw??

-ashley

I never cooked for them.They both like sardines and Paddy like raw beef liver.

The thing I don't get is why did this happened ? He does drink water and I always add water to their food. :wall:

growler~GateKeeper
February 7th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Here's a link http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/cms/portals/_default/pdfs/other-publications/HIADV06.FLUTDNovH.pdf to an article that explains the crystals, it's in Adobe from an awesome website http://www.felineoutreach.org/

TeriM
February 7th, 2008, 09:40 PM
I never cooked for them.They both like sardines and Paddy like raw beef liver.

The thing I don't get is why did this happened ? He does drink water and I always add water to their food. :wall:

It's possible this was already a pre-exsisting condition for him from before you had him. Lots of time it is "ideopathic" meaning there really is no reason.

Frenchy
February 7th, 2008, 09:43 PM
YAY!! RAW!! why do i get so excited when others convert to raw feeding their cats???



Don't get excited yet. I have lots of reading to do (thanks to everyone for the links :thumbs up) If it's too expensive or time consuming , I will have to find something else. I do have 2 cats and 3 dogs to take care of , and I work 40 hours a week. That doesn't leave me much time. My only "relax" time is here on pets.ca :shrug:

badger
February 8th, 2008, 01:58 AM
Frenchy, I posted the article plus many letters in another thread, but I thought this was interesting.

We've had good luck with soft chews for urinary tract issues. Pet Naturals makes them. We just crumble them into two of our cats' food. They both tend to get struyvite crystals, even the girl cat. If your cat has had urinary tract stones (or a few other conditions), you'll want to talk to your vet first. Cost: $8 for about a month's worth of the chews.

So far, so good! Good luck with your cat.

-- katwoman


http://www.petnaturals.com/vitamins_supplements/utsupportforcats.php

want4rain
February 8th, 2008, 07:27 AM
I never cooked for them.They both like sardines and Paddy like raw beef liver.

The thing I don't get is why did this happened ? He does drink water and I always add water to their food. :wall:

i was absolutely astounded at the difference between our "they drink plenty of water on kibble" and then the even just home made diets pee pee's. we have 4 litter boxes. the poo in only one. the other three get massive amounts of urine cleaned out of them every other day. we keep 2" of litter in there.

raw is time consuming but its not as expensive as a good wet food. being as it is time consuming, perhaps supplementing is the way to go?? try feeding raw every other day?? or work with the medallions?

-ashley

Love4himies
February 8th, 2008, 08:52 AM
You didn't mention what caused the blockage. If it was crystals, then he needs a more acidic diet (cranberries) and lots of water, no kibble! If it is calcium oxalate stones then a high fibre (in hopes minerals do not get absorbed into the blood and then into the kidney, low acidic diet is better. If it is struvite stones causing the bockage, then a higher acidic diet. It is the acidity of the urine that is really important in the formation of crystals, we can only hope that diet will help control the acidity of the unrine.

I think the most important thing is lots of water intake (even if you have to use a plastic syringe to force it into his mouth to control his water intake, I do so with Puddles) so the kidneys do not concentrate the urine too much causing the ph balance in the urine to change and second, a natural diet (raw) that does not play with acidity, minerals, etc. like a commercial diet does. If you can't do raw, canned only with a touch of water added. A cat's urine should have a ph of 6.5.

Puddles has very high blood calcium so she is at extremely high risk of forming calcium oxalate stones so I have done so much research and changed her food.

Good luck!

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1402&articleid=2729

Frenchy
February 8th, 2008, 11:33 AM
Frenchy, I posted the article plus many letters in another thread, but I thought this was interesting.



http://www.petnaturals.com/vitamins_supplements/utsupportforcats.php

Very interesting ... and I could almost go and get it myself , it's in Vermont ! Will talk to my vet about this, thanks ! :thumbs up

hazelrunpack
February 8th, 2008, 08:17 PM
I never realized there were so many causes of stones in cats! :eek:

badger
February 8th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Aren't there strips you can get at the pharmacy to measure the ph of urine? Although getting a sample might be a problem :) .

Frenchy
February 9th, 2008, 10:30 AM
Aren't there strips you can get at the pharmacy to measure the ph of urine? Although getting a sample might be a problem :) .

hummm , would that give a good reading for a cat's urine ? :confused:

Frenchy
February 9th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Paddy is on Royal canin unrinary SO (kibble and wet) I took a look yesterday at the wet food ingredients , here are the first ingredients listed :

water , meat by-products , corn grits , chicken by-products , animal fat .....

and they say this is good for my cat ? :confused: :mad:

chico2
February 9th, 2008, 04:22 PM
Frenchy,sorry to hear about Paddington:sad:
A long time ago one of my cats at the time(Sammy)was having a mild problem,but to keep it from getting worse,the vet gave me some kind of brownish gel to put in the cats canned food(in those days Pussn'Boots:yell:)and Sammy did not only eat it,he loved it.
Sorry,I have no recollection of what it was called.:sorry: