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Stolen golden , Ottawa

Frenchy
January 25th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Our rescue got this e-mail , I had to edit some infos so if anyone knows anything about this , please pm me.

Our family dog (and my husband's hunting dog) was stolen from our yard January 22nd, just south of Ottawa. The thief pulled into our driveway, cut the fence, leashed our dog and drove away. My neighbour got a plate number, description of the vehicle and the person. Unfortunately the plate was also stolen so it lead us nowhere. Below are all the details we have and pictures of our dog. He is a 2-year golden retriever (red in color) that responds to the name Tuuka. Any help you can give us would be GREATLY appreciated or if you can lead us in a direction. Our dog's blood line has been in our family for years so it is the loss of a family member which has devastated us.

Here is the information that we have:

Male Golden Retriever (red in color)
Approx 65 lbs 2 years old
Answers to Tuuka



Many Thanks

pbpatti
January 25th, 2008, 10:04 PM
Please bring Tuuka home, his mom & dad are frantic. I so hope that he is found soon and no lasting injuries or traumas:pray:pbp

Ford Girl
January 25th, 2008, 10:09 PM
Oh no! :pray: and :goodvibes: for his safe return. How aweful. If there is any way we can help from here, let us know...

Frenchy
January 25th, 2008, 10:11 PM
Some sick people out there I tell you :sad:

Luba
January 25th, 2008, 11:10 PM
He's beautiful I hope he is safe and someone has a keen eye on remembering his picture, to find him. Also hope he's altered so nobody uses him for breeding purposes.

That's an awful lot of trouble to go to for someone to take the dog. Maybe someone who knows the dogs ability in hunting and wanted him for that purpose themself if he's a good hunting dog?

rainbow
January 26th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Tuuka is gorgeous :lovestruck: and I hope he is re-united with his family soon. :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes: :goodvibes:

Is he neutered? :fingerscr

growler~GateKeeper
January 26th, 2008, 02:39 AM
:fingerscr:goodvibes::pray: for the quick & safe return of Tukka

CearaQC
January 26th, 2008, 08:46 AM
OMG that's terrible!!

The nerve of some people, always looking for selfish gain. :mad:

I don't mean to pick, but why was the dog outside unattended? I understand it was in a fenced area, but....

They should contact CBC radio in their area and get this on the air!

SARAH
January 26th, 2008, 09:40 AM
OMG that's terrible!!

The nerve of some people, always looking for selfish gain. :mad:

I don't mean to pick, but why was the dog outside unattended? I understand it was in a fenced area, but....

They should contact CBC radio in their area and get this on the air!

Well, when my dogs go outside for a toilet-need (:o ) I'm not out there with them, and sometimes they stay outside for half an hour now in the winter, longer when it's warm. I don't think most people stand guard over their dog when it's safely inside their fenced yard. :2cents:

But you can wonder at where some people get off stealing someone's pet in it's own garden where it feels safe. Why though, did this dog not bark when a stranger approached? :confused: Mine would have yelled their heads off :yell: :dog: as he approached (and the truck) and also had someone come on foot.

CearaQC
January 26th, 2008, 09:45 AM
I don't stay out with my dogs either when it's really cold, but I'm there at a window, watching every move.

Well I guess it's a golden for ya... must be well socialized and friendly to all strangers.

Luba
January 26th, 2008, 02:25 PM
Well the dog may have barked, which alerted the neighbour who took the licence plate down BUT if the dogs family wasn't home :shrug: and he was outside then???

SARAH
January 26th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Hmmm, that I would never dare do. Leave the dogs outside with no one home? :shrug:

I don't leave them tied outside a store while I'm inside either. If I need something, I go without them, if I have them, I take them home first and go back.

diandpat
January 26th, 2008, 05:06 PM
I am on a Golden list and below is a direct quote from the email we received:


"The thief pulled into our driveway, cut the fence, leashed our dog and drove away"

When the thieves are blatant enough to cut through a fence I think that there is not a lot we can do to protect ourselves. I know my golden would not have barked and would get in a car (if treats were involved!) and my terrier would have had a fit the whole time. Depends on the dog, I suppose.

I hope the dog was neutered and I really really hope he is found safe. This must be unbearable, as it would be for anyone whose furkid is not safe at home.

Frenchy
January 26th, 2008, 05:23 PM
Is he neutered? :fingerscr
Don't know , but I hope so !
I don't stay out with my dogs either when it's really cold, but I'm there at a window, watching every move.



Me too.

rainbow
January 26th, 2008, 06:16 PM
I so hope he was neutered too. :pray: :fingerscr :goodvibes:

Since he was so boldly stolen by someone cutting through the chain link fence then it seems it would be either by someone who knew he was intact and wanted him for breeding purposes or by some :censored: crackhead that saw a beautiful dog he could sell easily. :sad: :mad:

BusterBoo
January 28th, 2008, 06:35 AM
The family has gone to the media with the theft of Tuuka......

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2008/01/28/4797329-sun.html

:pray:

clm
January 28th, 2008, 07:05 AM
Even in the freezing cold, most of the time we're out with the dogs. If they're just running out for a quick pee, I'll watch from the window, but most of the time either hubby or I are out with them. Baxter won't stay out longer than a quick pee unless one of us is out there. Bentley would, but he's the little monster that you have to keep an eye on. He loves taking the solar lights apart and tearing apart shrubs unless you're out there with him.

I sure hope they get their dog back. I would just be sick if anything like that happened to me.

Cindy

t.pettet
January 28th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Isn't it sad that the decline of society (drug trade) and the lack of morality has pet owners constantly on guard against the theft of their pets from their own vehicles and even their homes. I never even leave them in my locked car anymore, not even for a second and even though they're in a fenced yard I have to constantly check that they're ok. Hope this dog is found but he was left in a susceptible situation.

snoopymjm
January 28th, 2008, 08:08 PM
I will be praying for the safe return of your precious Tuuka. Keep his disappearance in the public view. Don't give up!

Sunrisehaven
January 29th, 2008, 10:41 AM
Hello Everyone

I would like to give you all some good News. I am Sure Tuukas family will also be emailing everyone to let them know. Tuuka is in the process of being reunited with his owner.

To explain how i know this :) We are a small rescue based out of the Dundas area but we take in Dogs from all over ontario. We were asked to take in a golden by another "rescue". This rescue asked us a week ago. At that time we couldnt but said wait we will work on finding room. This rescue asked us to pick up a dog out of Our Local Animal control for them yesterday which we did. We met this "rescue" last nite and they brought Tuuka(they had him named as Godfrey) And we gave them the dog from animal control. The girl who transported Tuuka said something strange to us saying this guy hit 2nd page of the ottawa sun. So we said our good byes and we went inside. Well i was checking online thinking maybe they found the dog frozen or something, Only to find out that the dog was stolen. This "rescuer" when confronted said we do it all the time up here. They dont like how this owner keeps his dog. But the "rescuer" also it seems to have been stalking this family as they knew the peoples routines and had to cut through chain link fence and break into the privacy fence kennel run the dog was in. They claim the dog was neglected and covered in Poop and skinny. I can tell you as the dog is still here(owner is on his way from ottawa) This dog is in perfect health and there is nothing wrong with this dog. Frenchy if you would like to contact me privately i am more then willing to give you the info on this "rescue" There might be charges pending. The owner has asked me to speak to the police and give them my statements.

BusterBoo
January 29th, 2008, 10:45 AM
:thumbs up That is such great news!

Finally, a happy ending.... :thumbs up

Frenchy
January 29th, 2008, 11:18 AM
omg omg ! I am so happy ! And I must say , very surprised ! But very happy. :thumbs up

Frenchy
January 29th, 2008, 11:30 AM
Sunrisehaven , I can't pm you because you're a new member and don't have enough posts yet. You may want to post a couple of pictures of your pets :p in the picture thread and then I will be able to pm you :D

Love4himies
January 29th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Wow, so if I am reading correctly, the "rescuer" was the thief, or part of the same organization? Thank goodness the "rescuer" muttered the Ottawa Sun comment, or this may not have been such a happy ending. Wonder how many other stolen dogs there are out there that have not been returned. I am sure we only hear of a small percentage.

Sunrisehaven
January 29th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Ok Frenchy

Will post some pics of some of our fosters we've had :) Im just leaving now to meet up with the owners of Tuuka.

CearaQC
January 29th, 2008, 02:02 PM
So someone turned in the dog after the offers for the reward were mentioned?

Very very sly prick. I felt deep down whoever did that had it planned for a looooong time.

Am happy that Tuuka is being reunited.

So, out of curiosity... is he neutered or not? If he was stolen in hopes to join a puppy mill only to find out he was a nutless wonder then decided to return him?

Frenchy
January 29th, 2008, 02:13 PM
So, out of curiosity... is he neutered or not? If he was stolen in hopes to join a puppy mill only to find out he was a nutless wonder then decided to return him?

If I understand correctly , he was stolen because someone thought this dog was neglected. I know there's at least one organisation in Ontario that does that. If there's a case of animal abuse / neglect , they go in and steel the dog because they know spca won't do anything about it. So yes , these people go in and "save" the dog themselves. I'm all for it. :shrug: but in this case , I think there was a big misunderstanding ..... but then again , we never know the whole story ......

CearaQC
January 29th, 2008, 02:57 PM
But I still wonder about the bogus license plate.

chico2
January 29th, 2008, 04:20 PM
Great news:thumbs up
If the owner was worried about puppy-mills,the dog is probably not neutered:sad:

aslan
January 29th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Yeah the stolen plates kinda intrigue me. And I would soooooo be pressing criminal charges, hmmm trespassing, break and enter, theft. Then take them out back and kick the snot out of them. Yay for tuuka's parents tho.:thumbs up

Sunrisehaven
January 29th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Tuuka was not neutered as he is a registered hunting trial dog(He is a champion in hunting trials)

The "rescue" had been stalking the person that owned tuuka. The guy who owns tuuka has a kennel run for the dog. They were trying to say that the dog was covered in poop. was skin and bones(If this dog was neglected he could not have recovered in less then a week) And that there was dog poop in the food dish. Most times they said tuuka was outside with no water or food. Ive seen pics of the kennel run since i am in dundas(near hamilton) and this guy is from ottawa. If This dog spent every day outside in minus 30 then this dog would have frost bitten ears. He doesnt i will post the pics i took of him at 530 this morning.This dog is in excellent health. There was no interest in the reward. we just wanted to make sure that the dog got back to his rightful owner(who cried when we met to give him back tuuka)

<img src="http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/sunrisehaven/tuuka2.jpg">
<img src="http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/sunrisehaven/tuuka.jpg">

rainbow
January 29th, 2008, 06:48 PM
If I understand correctly , he was stolen because someone thought this dog was neglected. I know there's at least one organisation in Ontario that does that. If there's a case of animal abuse / neglect , they go in and steel the dog because they know spca won't do anything about it. So yes , these people go in and "save" the dog themselves. I'm all for it. :shrug: but in this case , I think there was a big misunderstanding ..... but then again , we never know the whole story ......

I agree and I am so glad that Tuuka is being reunited with his family. :thumbs up

CearaQC
January 29th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Tuuka was not neutered as he is a registered hunting trial dog(He is a champion in hunting trials)

Wow, well please call the owners and tell them to come join this forum!! They could give pointers on working with dogs in the field and off-leash.

Plus, Tuuka's a nice golden and Belle thinks he's very handsome. :laughing:

Am very happy they have him back nonetheless. :cloud9:

Frenchy
January 29th, 2008, 07:21 PM
He looks so confuse in the first picture :o but what a great looking dog ! :lovestruck: I'm glad he's back home :thumbs up

lizwoods
January 30th, 2008, 05:30 AM
how do we go about finding out if these people have "rescued" any other dogs? My dog is also missing, we live 20 min south of Ottawa. She was outside doing her business and 30 min later she was gone. She probably wandered off but as we were putting up the lost dog posters Ive noticed alot of dogs disappeared under similar circumstances in the last few weeks. Who do we contact to get information?

CearaQC
January 30th, 2008, 06:04 AM
Ummm had a crazy thought this morning.

Is there a way that the vet can test to see if Tuuka gave an unwilling sperm donation?

The whole "rescue" story smells of utter B.S. and my instinct nags that something else is going on.

dhansen
January 30th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Morning all. I am the proud owner (father :thumbs up) of Tuuka. We are very happy to report that with the help of Sunrise Haven that we were finally reunited with our family member.

This whole situation appears to be the result of COMPLETELY misguided intentions. The culprits took him because someone said he wasn't being fed and that he was always outside. True, he is outside alot (he is a bred sportsdog, he loves being outside) when the temperature allows and he also has a dog house with 1.5 inch insulation which allows him get very warm anytime he wants to. As Sunrive Haven can attest, he is very well fed and extremely healthy dog.

The culprits clearly did not do their homework. They did not in any way verify that their was an actual problem and their methods (besides being illegal) are just plain wrong. The unfortunate thing is that I have no doubt they have done this before (they were very efficient and had a truck with unregistered plates) and they are probably responsible for separating many dogs from loving families just because they haven't done their homework. We were obviously very lucky to get Tuuka back but I imagine there are many others who have no been so fortunate.

CearaQC
January 30th, 2008, 08:11 AM
YAY!! *happy dance* Tuuka's family came to visit the forum!

You are the type of family I'm very interested in hearing from because of what Tuuka does. Please don't hesitate to give us all some pointers in the training section.

The field/hunting stuff is something I'm just dying to train my dogs to do, but there is no trainer within a few hundred miles and I don't know much about that type of training. Hubby is a hunter and we have two smart doggies that are just itching to learn new things. Belle I think would make a better find-n-flush birds kinda dog and Sheeba would be better at retrieving.

Anyhoo... I felt for you and your family about what happened with Tuuka. I still can't help but think the whole "rescue" bit is a coverup for something else. I hope Tuuka was not mistreated in anyway and will not have any problems resulting from what happened while he was away from home.

Please post more pictures of that handsome fella!

clm
January 30th, 2008, 08:56 AM
All for the sake of misguided good intentions.
Thank goodness he's back home. :highfive:

Cindy

BusterBoo
January 30th, 2008, 09:02 AM
how do we go about finding out if these people have "rescued" any other dogs? My dog is also missing, we live 20 min south of Ottawa. She was outside doing her business and 30 min later she was gone. She probably wandered off but as we were putting up the lost dog posters Ive noticed alot of dogs disappeared under similar circumstances in the last few weeks. Who do we contact to get information?

I was just about to post the same question as I figured you live close to where Tuuka was taken from. Coincidence???

Hopefully Mya can be found soon :pray:

SARAH
January 30th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Yeah the stolen plates kinda intrigue me. And I would soooooo be pressing criminal charges, hmmm trespassing, break and enter, theft. Then take them out back and kick the snot out of them. Yay for tuuka's parents tho.:thumbs up

Halleluja!!

Chris21711
January 30th, 2008, 11:14 AM
That is great that Tukka has been re-united with his family.
I'm missing something here and am puzzled (could be we had no hydro this morning and I didn't get my first coffee until 9.30:sad:), but how does a dog from Ottawa end up in a rescue in Dundas, that is quite the distance. Can someone help me understand better?

Love4himies
January 30th, 2008, 11:14 AM
I too think it smells suspicious to me. Maybe I don't know the whole story, maybe my mind works overtime, but they seemed to want to offload the dog when it went public.

Could they have had a female in heat waiting for Mr. Tuuka's arrival?

justme3
January 30th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Amazing to me how some people think they know what is best for other people dogs, I am glad the golden is home where he belongs.

Sunrisehaven
January 30th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Its very common for rescues to get dogs from other area. And usually we transport from one area to another driver who continues on the transport to the next person to get the dog to the rescue group.

This "rescuer" told me she had a dog that she wanted us to take. And so we said we would. We would not have taken the dog if we had known they stole the dog. Tuuka was as i said in another post in excellent health. This "rescuer" who sent the dog to me wouldnt have used the dog for breeding. i am actually surprised she hadnt neutered him. Though i think it was cuz the dog had been in the paper and all over the internet.

Glad to see you Joined Tuukas Dad :) And Thanks for the pic last nite of tuuka at home. Glad to have helped you get your dog back. And Hopefully with the OHS and the police we might be able to reunite other people with their lost dogs.

t.pettet
January 30th, 2008, 01:55 PM
This 'rescue' sounds a little over zealous and misinformed but wish they'd come to red-neck lanark and rescue some poor creatures chained to dog houses 24/7. I heard that one of my neighbours hounds produced a litter outside that literally froze to death before SPCA was informed and confiscated the dog. NICE!

CearaQC
January 30th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Glad to see you Joined Tuukas Dad :) And Thanks for the pic last nite of tuuka at home. Glad to have helped you get your dog back.

No fair!

You mention a picture and don't share it.

tsk tsk

Just kidding. ;)

dhansen
January 31st, 2008, 05:53 AM
CearaQC, what kind of hunting/training are you interested in?

CearaQC
January 31st, 2008, 06:23 AM
Basically the stuff they do in the field competitions. Toss out the dummy and fire off a shot, dog goes to get it with direction from the handler, usually hand signals and maybe a whistle. Another one is the blind, where the targets are laid down and again the dog follows commands from the handler.

But we don't have a lot of open fields here for that sort of thing and mostly forested areas. However, I still want both dogs trained to behave out in the bush in a working mode and not get goofy. I really wish there was a good trainer in the area, but there's only the woman who teaches sit/stay and not much else.

Keep in mind I've only had Belle since November 2007 and she was a rescue dog who was pregnant, so now I have two dogs. Neither one is trained for anything other than sit, down and give paw. I have two utterly blank states just waiting for training.

I'm not interested in competitions, but rather practical uses. I think Belle would make a better find-and-flush dog because she is keen on following deer tracks and hare tracks without direction from me. She's alert and a good observer. Sheeba however is a go go go type, gotta get things done. She was that way even in the whelping box before her eyes were open.

dhansen
January 31st, 2008, 06:36 AM
I should start by clarifying that Tuuka is not the champion mentioned in previous posts. He is a trained hunting dog and can do the handling you described but he has not even begun hunt tests much less is a champion.

Before beginning hunting-oriented training your dog(s) have to have their sit and heel down cold and they have to respond to a whistle. Without these basics, you can't start retriever training.

There are also many dogs that no longer have the love of retrieving that we assume they do. If throw a dummy, do your dogs run for it like it was the last one on earth or do they plod out to it like it is more of a chore?

What area do you live in?

Dean

CearaQC
January 31st, 2008, 09:03 AM
I had a post going earlier but then the power went out for about an hour.

Does Tuuka work with the whistle?

Both dogs love to chase items thrown with zeal but are not real good at bringing back yet. Right now they are in competition mode and want to out run each other to get the thrown items first. If two balls are thrown, both will try to figure out a way to be able to carry both and usually end up dropping one while picking up another. It's funny. When the snow finally goes away they will be both introduced to outdoor water and we'll get some training dummies. Right now all we have is 2 toys and 2 balls.

Sheeba is too much of a puppy full of energy nowadays to really train much. I spend most time draining her energy and then practice sit, down, shake paw and basically learning how to learn new things. Neither dog understands stay at the moment. Lots of work to be done with both of them. Doing heavy work now with the leadership by sit and wait for meals and sit and wait for doors and wait for permission to get on furniture. I don't allow the dogs to attempt to get away with stuff or cheat. And especially don't allow tug of war activities. They enjoy testing their boundaries. :laughing: But we can take away stuff and put our hands in their food while they eat and there are zero problems with food or item aggression. Belle does great walking on leash and always has her head up looking forward. Sheeba on the other hand just wants to jump and bite Belle's ears or sniff the ground.

Not sure if you've heard of the Canine Good Citizen type training. Both dogs will go through that routine, but not likely to be tested, as the nearest test official is in Rimouski, Quebec.

We are in Quebec, the Gaspesie peninsula. Nearest hunting trainers that I was able to locate are either in Nova Scotia or PEI. Maybe there are others that don't advertise online. :shrug: Seems like there'd be another trainer in our location, because there are lots of hunting guides and outfitters that use dogs. I will try to speak with some and see what they have to say.

Anyway, I don't want to continue tying up this thread and going :offtopic:. Maybe when you get PM rights we can chatter there or start a new thread in the training section. I'm sure others would be interested in some specialty training also.

dhansen
January 31st, 2008, 01:12 PM
Do you want to start a new thread in the training section?

Dean

LCol
February 5th, 2008, 11:25 AM
This case has interested me because my friend lives in the same neighborhood as the dog. She had told me on numerous occasions about how horribly the dog was treated by its owners. Many of her neighbours too have actually been worried about the dog as he was kept outside on a daily basis in a small little fenced-in enclosure with a small wooden doghouse. Apparently there was no visible insulation in the wooden house, no water bowl present, and food mixed with feces. One man apparently saw the dog outside one evening when it was much colder than -20. The dog was always seen outside or kept in the garage. It is laughable that the owners act like they "treasured" him and the fact that they also stated that he was stolen while running an errand is funny because neighbours have witnessed him outside in that enclosure every single day for the entire day- not just when the family was out "running an errand." The articles in the paper obviously do not tell the story of how much the dog suffered and of course the owners will not admit to it.

It is unfortunate that the dog was stolen however it sounds to me that whoever "stole" him was trying to give him a better life by dropping him off at a rescue, only to be sold out by another so-called rescue. Hopefully the owners will treat him better as a result of this incident and hopefully they will not just keep him caged up in their garage.

t.pettet
February 5th, 2008, 12:09 PM
I agree. If you're going to 'rescue' a dog have a good home waiting.

dhansen
February 5th, 2008, 02:28 PM
LCol, sounds to me like you and your friend are making assumptions without full information. I will attempt to provide additional information on the points stated.

1. Yes Tuuka is outside most days. He is a hardened sports dog (hunting dog). He is fully capable of handling the temperatures and does not enjoy being inside. As Sunrise Haven would attest, he is a very happy healthy dog showing no signs of distress. The vet we had him to yesterday also says he is happy and (outside of the kennel cough which he acquired why he was out of our care) is in perfect health. There are many people (probably most, I guess) that believe dogs are indoor animals and probably most dogs are suited for the indoors but Tuuka is not that kind of dog.

2. His enclosure is 5x12 which is the same size, if not bigger, than most boarding kennels use.

3. You would have to be inside the dog house to see the insulation. The walls are over 1.5" thick with house-grade insulation. I suppose I can rely on the fact that he is outside most days and is still perfectly healthy to back me up. Again, please refer to Sunrise Haven or Tuuka's vet to attest to his health and happiness

4. Correct. No water bowl present. He chews the plastic ones to bits and beats the metal ones around during the day which causes enough noise that the cops/bylaw would be at my door. The bowls had to be removed. He gets his food and water in the morning and in the evening.

5. The only ways food was mixed with feces is if a) he made a 'deposit' during the day before I got home from work b) there was a thaw and unearthed those hidden treasures all dog owners are familiar with AND c) he did not finish his food from the previous day. Given that his feces and food are almost identical in color AND he is surrounded by a privacy (lattice) type of fence then your friend (or whoever) must have been inside his run before even thinking of being able to make that claim.

6. The owners (we) did state he was stolen while my wife was running an errand. That is exactly when it happened. I'm not sure I understand your point.

7. If you knew the effort and expense that when into finding him then you would not doubt he was treasured. We sent over 200 posters to vets, breeders and kennels. My wife spent many hours on the phone to attain 4 radio interviews and 2 newspaper articles in order to 'get the word out'. I made several trips to areas well outside of Ottawa, including Quebec, to check out tips where people 'may have seen a dog meeting Tuuka's description'.
And as Sunrise Haven says 'tears were shed' upon our reuniting. Never question my love for my dog. Nobody has even come close to earning that right.

I am sure many people believe many different things about whether dogs should be inside/outside or how pets (dogs, cats, etc) should be handled but just because Tuuka was outside does not give anyone any right to take him. If the individuals who claim to have been concerned about his welfare actually were concerned then there are proper avenues to address those concerns. No one has the authority to steal a dog.

CearaQC
February 5th, 2008, 03:01 PM
That was well-written Dean, and thank you for making a civilized reply without heated arguments. Other people in your shoes may not have been as polite.

To others that wrote negative things about the owner (when he is a member of this forum and is able to read everything written:eek:), dogs and cats have lived outside for thousands of years in all sorts of weather before humans got comfy heated homes. They also survived without immunizations, cute pet clothing, yummy treats, decorated leashes, winter boots or carrying cases.

And during the last century, pet owners have been bombarded with commercials and advertising talking about pets holding a status just like humans - part of the family. I'm not saying that pets shouldn't have a family member-like status and personally I prefer to keep my pets indoors, but some people do not. That is their choice. We should not judge others and definitely not accept rumors as true without checking the facts and situation. Some pets do not like to be indoors and are happiest outdoors. It is not logical to assume all pets should have the same treatment, when we do not know their individual circumstances.

How would you feel if someone intruded on your lives without knowing all the facts?

Like my dad always told me, when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

chico2
February 5th, 2008, 04:09 PM
IMO,no dog/cat should be left outdoors in -20C weather,insulated doghouse or not:sad:
I do not know enough about"hunting-dogs"to comment on their treatment,but I am supposing cuddles and a warm bed is foreign to them.
As far as I know,from this Forum,Goldens are very social animals,family-dogs,who need to be with a family,not alone out in the cold.
How can anyone say,a dog is happy out there all alone 24/7,I just cannot believe that is the case.

Ford Girl
February 5th, 2008, 04:33 PM
I'm with Chico2, hunting or not, golden or not, the dog should be inside and should have water. Not saying a few hours in the warm afternoon sun isn't ok but I strongly disagree with the whole he's a field dog - he's out side excuse. And yes, goldens need to be part of the pack, your dog is a field animal and a pet.

Now that the owners know the impression they give as pet owners, and how the community sees them as dog owners, will this change? If my dog was stolen cuz of suspected abuse I would certainly reevaluate the situation to ensure it never happens again. (i.e. bring the dog inside, priovide water, clean up poop, re-enforce the fencing, etc...)

I agree that all the pet attributes we have given animals over the years but refering to things we've done as humans to include our pets as family members can't justify leaving the animals unattended outside.

During the past century kids use to drop out of school in grade 2 and start working in factories, and women weren't allowed to vote. So I dont think refering to the "good old times" does this situation any justification.

How come when the animal was missing eveyrone was like.."hey, why was the animal out side unattended?" And now it's..."oh, he's a field dog - that makes it ok" I don't agree with that at all.

This being said, I agree with the owners, the proper channels were never followed, the concerned neighbours may have seen something thay made them uncomfortable and did wrong in stealing the dog. But the dog shouldn't be outside all day with out water. :shrug: :sad: Neither is justified.

I think the concern is warrented 100% as is the owners right to not have his dog stolen. :2cents:

What if the owners first post was...."Hi, I have a golden who stays outside all day without water, he's secured in a kennel, but we keep him outside in a run all day because he's a field dog"...

badger
February 5th, 2008, 04:53 PM
I don't see any mention of long walks, interaction with the family, etc. Do you not think this is important? He probably wacks his bowls around because he is bored. This is not an ideal life for a dog.

dhansen
February 5th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Folks, I appreciate all your concerns.

I have a happy, healthy dog and most important I have my happy, healthy dog back.

For those of you who were involved in his return, I appreciate your efforts tremendously.

CearaQC
February 5th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Now that we've become a society that's basically "Detached and subdivided
In the mass production zone (Subdivisions by Rush)," we are too hasty to judge others.

Instead of working together, we fight. Instead of offering helpful suggestions, we criticize. But it's not our place to give unsolicited advice and frankly I wish people would stop doing that.

And it's just not right to spread rumors and talk negative about someone on the forum that has the ability to come and read what is said about him, as if he wasn't here. I find that extremely rude.

We do not know dhansen personally and therefore we should not judge until we've seen everything for ourselves instead of trusting mere words on an internet forum, or he said/she said scenarios, and treating them as fact.

Just look at what happened in Iraq as an example. People trusted in the he said/she said WMD B.S. and now millions of people are dead as a result. Now try to tell me that gossip is a good thing.

Sunrisehaven
February 5th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Well LCOL

I just want to clear something up. I am not a "so called rescue" I take dogs in every day and spay/neuter everything I make sure their shots are up to date. I do homechecks and applications and contracts. Tuuka was most definately not abused or neglected. I have a chocolate lab here that has spent the last yr and half outside and you can tell. He has frost bites on his ears he has sores on his legs. I have as you can see took pics of tuuka when he was here. There was NO frost bites on his ears and he was quite healthy when i saw him. The "rescue" up there is being investigated for alot of things Unfornately i am unable to discuss the details as its apolice investigation and i will be giving a full cooperation. Also If People knew all this and had pics and various other things WHY didnt You first go to the OHS You Made NO attempts to contact them as we've been in contact with them as they are investigating other dogs that this rescue may have stolen.

I am glad that Dhansen has his dog back He obviously loves his dog and that was more then obvious when we reunited the dog. Its a shame that some people feel its ok to steal the dog as it was not right.

badger
February 5th, 2008, 07:32 PM
[QUOTE][Just look at what happened in Iraq as an example. People trusted in the he said/she said WMD B.S. and now millions of people are dead as a result. Now try to tell me that gossip is a good thing. /QUOTE]

This is a completely ridiculous analogy. The Iraq invasion was concocted by the Bush administration even before he stole his second mandate. It had nothing to do with WMDs. Who could forget Colon Powell and the lies he was forced to deliver to the UN assembly. You call that gossip?

And who's calling in the marines here, anyway. dhansen has clearly followed this thread and is not arming up either. He sounds like a good bloke in fact, whatever one might think about how he treats his dog. Now if only the zealots who snatched Tuuka would put their energy into busting puppy mills, they are welcome in Quebec anytime.

rainbow
February 5th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Good post Badger. :thumbs up

BLB
February 5th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Although I don't agree with dogs being left outside all the time I do realize that this is my personnel opinion and feelings. And I do know that alot of hunting dogs are left outside but are usually treated better that some house dogs I have seen. I would like to know why Mr Hansens neighbours didn't call the Humane society or bylaw if they we're so concerned over this so called abused dog? If this is truly a case of abuse it will come out in the police investigation and unless this so called rescue new magic I have no idea how this abused dog miraculously recovered in a week. We all know that we do not treat our dogs the same and maybe we should think before we pass judgement on others for their treatment of their animals.

coppperbelle
February 5th, 2008, 08:08 PM
[QUOTE=BLB;542619]Although I don't agree with dogs being left outside all the time I do realize that this is my personnel opinion and feelings. And I do know that alot of hunting dogs are left outside but are usually treated better that some house dogs I have seen. I would like to know why Mr Hansens neighbours didn't call the Humane society or bylaw if they we're so concerned over this so called abused dog? If this is truly a case of abuse it will come out in the police investigation and unless this so called rescue new magic I have no idea how this abused dog miraculously recovered in a week. We all know that we do not treat our dogs the same and maybe we should think before we pass judgement on others for their treatment of their animals.[/QUOTE


My comments exactly. :thumbs up

t.pettet
February 5th, 2008, 10:08 PM
The SPCA won't charge an owner with neglect as long as there is a shelter, food and water. They aren't concerned with the animal's loneliness or boredom or lack of socialization but would be interested in it only having access to water twice a day and would very likely insist on a routine clean-up of stool. Nor would they look into quality of food so if an animal was being fed the cheapest dry kibble they would not be very concerned.

Chris21711
February 6th, 2008, 08:21 AM
The SPCA won't charge an owner with neglect as long as there is a shelter, food and water. They aren't concerned with the animal's loneliness or boredom or lack of socialization but would be interested in it only having access to water twice a day and would very likely insist on a routine clean-up of stool. Nor would they look into quality of food so if an animal was being fed the cheapest dry kibble they would not be very concerned.

It is not really a matter if the SPCA are concerned or not, they have certain protocol they have to follow which is mandated by law. One of which is, that the dog have potable water available at all times, were it to be taken to court in winter, very likely a judge would rule that snow is an available source of water. In non-winter months that would not be the case. Most hunting dogs that I have seen have not been in great body shape, most are kept lean to not take away from their prey drive. Since this is receiving publicity, I would not doubt if they (SPCA) investigate. He is too pretty to be neglected IMO.

Love4himies
February 6th, 2008, 09:39 AM
Oh how easy it is to judge. Some people feel that all dogs should be inside and some breeds should be, they don't tolerate the cold.

However, there are some breeds that can tolerate much colder temperatures and develop such thick coats that the cold doesn't affect them. I know of a person who has 7 dogs and they are kept outside most of the time and are very happy, healthy dogs. These people absolutely LOVE their dogs. They have shelter if they choose to get out of the weather.

I know another person who gave up her two huskeys because they did not want to come inside in the winter. She could not stand watching them pant at the back door wanting to go back out in the cold but did not have the heart to allow them outside.

So these are two different families I know that have two different views and both love their dogs.

What I don't agree with is keeping a dog outside with no human interaction, that is cruel to do to a dog.

We don't know the owner of Tuuka and we don't know how she was treated so we shouldn't assume.

CearaQC
February 6th, 2008, 09:41 AM
This is a completely ridiculous analogy. The Iraq invasion was concocted by the Bush administration even before he stole his second mandate. It had nothing to do with WMDs. Who could forget Colon Powell and the lies he was forced to deliver to the UN assembly. You call that gossip?


*Bzzzzz* Wrong answer!

Ya can't rely on "news" from CNN, CBS, CNBC, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, NBC or any other alphabet soup news station whatsoever. I suppose you believe all the cut internet seabed cables in the mid east is just a boating accident.

Every single person you see on TV in the field of politics is put there and chosen for their position. They are not elected, they are selected. They are puppets. Bush's dogs don't even like him and run away when he tries to pet them. I trust the dogs.

Anyway sorry :sorry: I shouldn't argue, it's a waste of my time and no one will do the reading and asking questions themselves and just end up believing what they are told and tell their neighbors and friends the same junk they hear on TV. If that isn't gossip, I don't know what is.

badger
February 6th, 2008, 11:44 AM
CearaQC, I think we actually agree. I don't have cable so watch none of those stations. Five minutes of Oprah bring on waves of nausea. Notwithstanding the Bush administration's evil ways, I do not think everyone we elect is a puppet but that the best intentions are often swamped by special interests. Worked in Ottawa for ten years, saw it with my own eyes.

My quarrel is with the analogy. Gossip didn't get Bush his second term and his wretched war, 'his' Supreme Court did.

I don't know where the cut undersea cable comes into the mix. A boating accident? I doubt it. That being said, terrorism has been a gift to right-wing and authoritarian governments, obsessed with by-passing genuine democratic dissent. We are not fooled.

Love4himies
February 6th, 2008, 01:03 PM
*Bzzzzz* Wrong answer!
no one will do the reading and asking questions themselves and just end up believing what they are told and tell their neighbors and friends the same junk they hear on TV. If that isn't gossip, I don't know what is.

Ha ha, that's a good one!