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Dog food choice

Richard62
June 5th, 2004, 03:20 PM
What is the best dog food for small dogs. I use Science diet oral care. Maybe I want to switch with something differnt. My dogs are 2 and 4. I have two japanes Chins.

cutelittlemako
June 5th, 2004, 04:44 PM
Look at the labels. It's hard to recommend a good dog food brand because the pet store closest to you might not carry it. But what I do is I look at the labels. I try to find a brand that has no animal by-products (my first concern) and that has the best first ingredients (chicken of lamb...). On the Petsmart website (www.petmart.com) there is a dog food calculator, you insert your dog's age, weight, activity level, and they calculate how much calories it needs, then gives you all the food brands that apply to your dog, gives you how much he would need in a day for all the brands and also how much it would cost you per day to feed your dog on a certain food. With this, it's clear that the most expensive foods are often better value because they have the same caloric values, in less food, therefore, you have to feed yor dog less. It's very interesting. You can also compare their brands by seeing all the ingredients... Instead of standing in front of 20 different bags of dog chow at the pet store you can do it from the comfort of you home and then go to the store. Just a suggestion. I really do use it and having a growing puppy I find that it's good to know how much to feed and to see the costs per day and to compare.

Good Luck!

mona_b
June 5th, 2004, 04:52 PM
Well I would definately get them off the Science Diet.

Here are a few premium dog foods.

Wellness
Nutro
Innova
Canidae
Eagle Pack.

Remember this,the first 4-5 ingredients in the food should NOT be corn.

Richard62
June 5th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Everybody here that helped me I will take a look at my dogs bag incredients and start comparing. I will try the Petsmart calculator as well. Anything to make my dogs live a long time will be worth it. I love my two dogs to much to have them live a short life. Really appreciate your helps. (Everybody) "Happy petting"

Richard62
June 5th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Here is the incredients in Science diet oral care. Is this good or bad. What about the corn meal, is the same as corn?


Chicken by-product meal, corn meal, brewers rice, powdered cellulose, soybean mill run, animal fat (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate, and citric acid), dried egg product, vegetable oil, natural flavor, flaxseed, taurine, preserved with BHT and BHA, beta carotene, minerals [potassium chloride, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], vitamins [choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement].
;)

cutelittlemako
June 5th, 2004, 05:42 PM
Well By-Products and Corn are the first 2 ingredients, so I would not give it to my dog.

I did not know about the corn though, thanks for the heads-up Mona. Why is Corn bad? I don't have by-products in my puppy food, but there might be corn, i didn't check. I will From now on though. Mako is intolerant to some foods, so I usually pick the best I can that doesn't have by-products and that he can digest.

Lucky Rescue
June 5th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Corn is bad as dogs cannot digest it. Therefore, when dog food has a lot of cheap fillers like this, the dog is getting less nutrition, although it must eat much more of the food.

The list of food that Mona gave is excellent! It may seem expensive, until you do the math - i.e. If I fed my dog Purina, she would need to eat nearly 5 cups a day to get the same nutrition she gets from 2 cups of Wellness.

mona_b
June 5th, 2004, 08:38 PM
Your very welcome Mako.......... :D

And it's exactly what LR said.

I have posted this before.Actually on another of Richard's posts...I think....LOL

http://www.nhratterriers.com/petfoods.htm

cutelittlemako
June 5th, 2004, 10:12 PM
Oh wow, that is good to know, I'll be sure to check if the dog food I guy has corn in it. Mako already has problem digesting his food, I wouldn't want to make it worse!
See, this is what the bulletin board is for, interesting information about how to care for pets.
Thanks guys!

mona_b
June 5th, 2004, 10:52 PM
Mona bows to the room....... :D :p

Oh another good one is:
Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul.

LavenderRott
June 5th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Soy is also hard for a dog to digest.

Also, the better foods may seem more expensive, but they do eat less. And their bodies use more of the nutrients in the food. If the body uses more, there is less waste. That means less poo!

Lucky Rescue
June 6th, 2004, 10:32 AM
That means less poo!

Yes, another added benefit!!

Spoiled
June 6th, 2004, 10:55 AM
Has anyone heard anything about the Nutram pet food?

cutelittlemako
June 6th, 2004, 11:04 AM
Ok, sorry if i'm over-extending this subject but I took a look at my puppy's bag of food and on it they explain the benefits of the first 6 ingredients. The 3rd is Ground Corn and here is what they have to say about it: "Good Source of highly digestible carbohydrates. Excellent source of fatty acids for a healthy looking pet." They also have Corn Glutten Meal - "Excellent source of highly digestible protein. Provides essential amino acids important for a glossy coat." Is this not true?

Choosing a good puppy food is important for me, so I find this issue very interesting.

The food I am using now is Autority, on the top of the bag it says "Highly diestible" and I chose it because Mako has a hard time keeping his food down. I usually have to feed him canned food, but I've been able to give him this Autority if I soak it in water for half an hour and then mix it up real good so that it has canned food consistency.

If corn is hard to digest, maybe it would be better if I tried another food. Again, the only thing I looked for before was for meat to be the first ingredient, then rice, and no by-products (at all). I was never concerned with corn. I am glad i'm finding out about this though!

And where are people supposed to learn about this. I don't think it's common knowledge :).
Thanks

Lucky Rescue
June 6th, 2004, 11:39 AM
I don't think it's common knowledge .


You're right - it's not, and the makers of the cheap food have such convincing advertising (having vets and "breeders" tout their products) that anyone would be confused.

melanie
June 6th, 2004, 06:46 PM
my mum got a purina sample of that indoor cat stuff in the mail, i think the vet gave her details to them. but they sent 3 free tins to try, it is a bit of a scam and she isnt about to buy it, but the dog was thankful. i wonder if that type of advertising works? (only the dog would consider eating it, yang the siamese cat would not even touch it, i think he was a little insulted and disapointed with us :D )

Spoiled
June 6th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the Nutram pet food?

I'm going to be persistent about this. ;)
Does anyone know?

Chany
June 6th, 2004, 08:11 PM
Lavender Rott is right soy is no good for dogs either. Corn is a cheap filler.
Dogs are supposed to have a 75% protein diet with 25% carbohydrates.
If your concerned with your dogs diets try supplementing some meat with the dog food and some vitamins because most of the vitamins are destroyed when the dog food is processed. Chicken by products can and usually do include beaks, feet, feathers etc.

Sorry Spoiled I have no idea about Nutram :( . Have you done a search on the web about it? What are its ingredients?

Daiana
June 7th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Hi there,

I have a 4 lb. Chihuahua, and I've found a brand of food called Royal Canin. They make a type of food specifically for toy breeds and even though my dog is a picky eater, he seems to enjoy it. And, best of all, I read over the list of ingredients and I'm very pleased with the quality of what they put in there.
Omega 3's, salmon oil, blueberries, rosemary oil, brown rice, and of course meat, among other things (just to name a few). If you email their company, you can request that they send you a sample, this way you're not stuck with the whole bag in case they don't like it.

Just thought I'd share!

D.

cmt489
June 7th, 2004, 12:33 PM
Royal Canin is also good and readily available. Just one more plug for a good food:

Petcurean Go! Natural (I just love plugging Canadian companies - LOL!!)

Michelle

glasslass
June 7th, 2004, 12:53 PM
When I was searching for a puppy for my mom, I contacted 4 different breeders and found that all of them were feeding Eukanuba. After reading the previous posts, I went into their website and checked the ingredients. The 1st 3 ingredients listed were chicken, chicken by-products meal, and corn meal. :eek: I see I have some research to do. We've been giving both Den-Den and Corky Eukanuba because we thought it was the best. Now I'm thinking we need to change to something better.

Lucky Rescue
June 7th, 2004, 01:05 PM
Dogs are supposed to have a 75% protein diet with 25% carbohydrates

Just curious - where did you get those figures from? Even cats, who are the ultimate carnivores, do well on cat food that has a protein percentage of about 40 - 45%.

Dogs, classified as omnivores, need less. The average, housepet adult dog needs no more than 20 - 25% protein in dog food. Of course a husky who pulls a sled all day would need more, but I'm talking about the garden variety type pet dog.

This is why feeding a dog catfood is not good - too much protein (and vice versa about feeding cats dogfood - not enough protein)

melanie
June 7th, 2004, 05:45 PM
i wish we lived in the same country, you seem to have alot of choices. our supermkt stocks only a few brands for big dogs the rest for small (pal the farty food being top of the list in quality). we have a product called 'natures gift', i have fed it to the girl for years along with this brands snacks and treats(with other stuff of course lots of variety). i dont remember lookiing at ingredients till now (i must have though or i wouldnt have started with it). the ingredients are

-70%real veal, lamb or chicken (depend on flavor)
-30%vegetable and oat mix (and has a vitamin summary)

thats it. i mix with a natural low calorie dry food and charlie is a healthy gal.
it is an aussie company though so i wouldnt know if it was available anywhere else.

Nutram- i thought that was really good food, it is sold at the vets and pet shops only and is exepensive so never tried it, but then i am assuming cost equals quality and i dont know about that and dog food :)

Chany
June 7th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Lucky Rescue, Wendy Volhard is where I got my info from. She has many years experience in feeding and training different dogs. So she definitely has proof behind her which is comforting to me. :)
You state a cat can do well on a diet consisting of a 40-45% protein right?
Just curious as to how much better a cat would do on a true carnivore diet meaning strictly protein?
I think thats the difference. A dog may do well enough on a diet of 25% protein but I believe I can do better for my dogs so I do! I am totally convinced of the 75-25 ratio for her. She is extremely healthy and she's not growing too fast either. :)

LavenderRott
June 7th, 2004, 10:57 PM
I hear that Science Diets foods that are made to help with medical issues are decent, but other then that, I wouldn't buy any food that was sold out of my vets office. Most vets have about one semester's worth of training in Nutrition and SD pays vets to sell their food. A big enough incentive and your vet would be selling Ole' Roy and claiming it is great stuff! (Ole' Roy is made by Wal-Mart and sells for about $8 for a 40 pound bag. You can imagine the quality of the ingredients.)

mastifflover
June 8th, 2004, 12:58 PM
Has anyone heard anything about the Nutram pet food?
I have used nutram with my Neapolitan Mastiff and found it to be a good medium priced food. I would ideally love to feed him Califorina natural by Dick Van Patten but it is just too expensive to feed a very large dog if you have a small to medium sized dog I highly recommend it. This food is human grade and no filler.

Princesss04
June 8th, 2004, 01:30 PM
What do you all think of Purina cat food?

cmt489
June 8th, 2004, 01:56 PM
Many of the premium dog food companies also make cat food. Some also feed their cats a raw diet.

My Himilayan who will only eat dry (she will not eat raw, will not eat cooked and will not eat canned - fussy despite trying) gets Petcurean Go! Natural. Prior to this she was on Nutro Natural Complete Care (BTW she did great on the Nutro but I preferred to support a Canadian company). She LOVES the Go! food and is doing wonderfully on it!

Michelle

Princesss04
June 8th, 2004, 02:15 PM
Thank you I was talking to my friend and she jumped all over me becuase I did not feed my cat Purina. And I thought okay and I had heard that it was a bad food bit thought I would ask anyways. Thanks for your help! :D Can you tell me why that it is bad so I can tell her?

cmt489
June 8th, 2004, 02:26 PM
Corn, high grain content and cheap sources of protein. All bad for cats.

To give you an example, my parents had a barn cat that was allergic to chicken protein. The vet gave us two options: MediCal food at $40.00 a bag (made with duck, not chicken) or Purina Cat Chow since its main protein source is soya. Chose the MediCal thank you very much!!

Michelle

Princesss04
June 8th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Thanks for you help I will let her know

heidiho
June 8th, 2004, 03:06 PM
Hs anyone heard of [not sure how to spell it]hunkenflaken dog food?????

Princesss04
June 8th, 2004, 03:10 PM
WOW look I finally got to start a replay on the beggining of a new page. I was starting to feel left out I mean there for a little while seemed to be the thing to do finally got my chance! YES!!!!! :D Sorry had to! LOL :D

bunni29
June 13th, 2004, 04:48 PM
Hi friends:

I have a 4month old cockapoo puppy.........I've had him on Solid Gold Puppy food for about a month and all of sudden he won't eat it anymore.......

So the vet told me to change to California Natural or Wellness.........

When I went to our pet store the guy tried to sell me Eagle Pack Puppy food........so I bought that-but when I got home it lists corn as one of the ingredients..........

It actually is the second ingredient and it lists "ground yellow corn" and then it list "corn germ meal"

I thought corn was a bad thing?? is the above the same as corn?

The first ingredient is Chicken Meal.

Strange Eagle Pack would have this in their food?

I thought Eagle Pack was a very good food..........

Should I switch to something else that does not list corn?

I want to try and give my puppy the best "natural" food I can that does not have any fillers, colorings, preservatives etc............

Solid Gold was very good, but he doesn't like it anymore...........

thanks for your advice.
bunni

Lucky Rescue
June 13th, 2004, 06:53 PM
I don't know about Eagle Pack, but Wellness is great food. It's all human grade ingredients and my dog does just wonderfully on it!:)

As for why Purina

Corn meal, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, soy flour,

The first 4 ingredients are corn, soy and chicken by-products, which can be beaks, feathers, eyes, etc. This is what the bulk of the food is made of.

Since cats are one of the most carnivorous of animals and must eat meat, grains and corn are NOT a good diet for them, and cats certainly do not eat the feathers and beaks of birds they catch, but not the meat.

jujubee
June 14th, 2004, 01:58 AM
So I guess the consensus is Wellness dog food? I've been feeding my dog Eukanuba because I thought it was supposed to be the best. He had Iams puppy food as a pup at the breeder so I just stuck with the Lamb & Rice Formula.

He has a very sensitive stomach tho- if I give him wet food as a treat or he eats something other than his dry food, he has the tendency to get diarrhea. Is Wellness good for sensitive digestive systems? Any tips on how to make him stronger?

He -LOVES- greenies but I find if he hasn't had it in a while, he will throw it up within a day or two. Anyone else have this problem? I thought Greenies were supposed to help with digestion.

glasslass
June 14th, 2004, 11:45 AM
I've been giving Den-Den Eukanuba Lamb & Rice also, but I'm planning to switch to Nutro. I know our Petsmart here carries it. I'm not sure about the other recommended brands. I'm pretty careful what he gets because he had Canine HGE a little over a year ago and we almost lost him. No one really knows what causes it. Fluffy dogs can also have a real problem with "cling-ons" with the wrong food. That's one of the reasons poodle's tails are shaved at the base, not just to have a fancy pom-pom. :rolleyes:

heidiho
June 14th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Got the soild gold hunken flaken[however you spell it]Damien loves it,and she said with that food he doesnt need as much,great deal to 33 pound bag for 30.00 cause she gets a discount............yipee/// Lamb and rice one ...

Goldenmom
June 14th, 2004, 01:42 PM
Lamb and Rice is good while a puppy. Just be careful when its adult food,as it is fattier than the rest of the meats. I need to watch the weight on ALL my girls, so I don't feed them lamb.

Heather

heidiho
June 14th, 2004, 01:44 PM
Really?? Great i got a big ole bag....

heidiho
June 14th, 2004, 01:46 PM
I just looked,it says fat 8%,and calories 367,that doesnt sound to bad....

Spoiled
June 14th, 2004, 06:49 PM
Got the soild gold hunken flaken[however you spell it]Damien loves it,and she said with that food he doesnt need as much,great deal to 33 pound bag for 30.00 cause she gets a discount............yipee/// Lamb and rice one ...

I thought you took your dog to a rescue, Heidi?

I feed my dog Eagle Pack. The second ingredient is ground yellow corn! Should I change my dog's food? We're almost at the end of the bag.

mona_b
June 14th, 2004, 06:53 PM
My guys are on the Eagle Pack Holistic.....No ground yellow corn in it..... :D

Spoiled
June 14th, 2004, 07:11 PM
Here is Nutram's website :Nutram Pet Food (http://www.nutramonline.com/ )

I emailed them (as well as a number of different pet food sites) and asked the ingredients.

mona_b
June 14th, 2004, 09:52 PM
Most of Nutrams contains corn...

Here is a link.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/caninecorral/nutram_info3.htm

It gives you the ingredients for the different ones....Just click on the bottom to get to the next page.

Spoiled
June 14th, 2004, 09:55 PM
So it isn't a good food then. :(

mona_b
June 14th, 2004, 10:01 PM
Nutram?...I would say it isn't.The third ingredient is the corn.

Why not just switch to the Eagle Pack Holistic?...No Yellow corn.... :D

Spoiled
June 14th, 2004, 10:16 PM
OK, we're on Eagle Pack Adult Formula right now, and I'll switch the food to the Eagle Pack Holstic if I can find it.
Thanks for the good advise. :D

chico2
June 14th, 2004, 10:41 PM
I just tried "Chicken soup for pet-lovers soul"and ALL my cats love it,I used to buy three different kinds of dry food for 3 cats,different likes and dislikes :D
Now I will be buying just one kind.....Halleluja!!!! :D
They literally line up by the dish to have a go at it,never seen that before and the food is loaded with good stuff!!

jujubee
June 14th, 2004, 11:07 PM
Phew I just bought the wellness formula, puppy and chicken for my big one, and mixed it in with their food and they ate it all up, FAST. Yay! Now it's just a matter of elimination.. hopefully they don't get diarrhea =P

heidiho
June 15th, 2004, 11:40 AM
It is a long story,bottom line is she didnt understand why i was getting rid of him,said he is a great well behaved dog,and i do provide a great home for him,and i missed him terribly,it was unbearable being without him,so he is back home where he belongs,took him to a frineds last night,he has a lab,and a huge pool,damien was afraid to go in at first but he loveeeeeedddddd it,shoudl of brought camera,it was adorable,he had so much fun,was pooped..................

heidiho
June 15th, 2004, 12:02 PM
So is the 8% fat and 367 calories ok????Sounds about right...

mona_b
June 15th, 2004, 01:37 PM
Spoiled,you shouldn't have a problem finding it..The holistic is right next to the regular one.... :D

So they loved it Anita,that's great...3 more months and Casper will be switching to adult cat food.This should be fun.Casper will be on adult while Winnie will still be on kitten.....LOL

heidiho
June 15th, 2004, 01:42 PM
Well sounds right to me...Thanks..

Hunter's_owner
November 27th, 2006, 08:57 AM
He -LOVES- greenies but I find if he hasn't had it in a while, he will throw it up within a day or two. Anyone else have this problem? I thought Greenies were supposed to help with digestion.

Greenies can be quite dangerous. There were a couple of threads here a while ago discussing the risk of obstruction. If your dog is throwing it up a couple days after eating it, then that means that it is sitting in the belly for a couple of days waiting to move down the digestive system, but instead it comes back up. I guess in this case, it is a good thing it comes back up, because if it had to keep going, an obstruction could be likely.

Prin
November 27th, 2006, 02:36 PM
This is a really old thread... I think (hope) that the OP has already found their food.