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I think I have adult onset asthma

ancientgirl
December 23rd, 2007, 04:18 PM
I decided to have a look at the Singulair website, to see if there is a higher dosage of the medication. Then I began reading the section on the Singulair for asthma.

As I read the symptoms, I realized this may be what's happening to me. Since my bad night, I've had on and off coughing, and my chest feels a bit tight, and when I breath in, I wheeze.

I have to go to see my doctor, well actually I've been seeing the PA lately, but I've got to see her soon anyway. I think I'm going to have a talk with her about this.

I'm only wondering if the Singulair for asthma would also work the same as the one for the allergies, and just also take care of the asthma as well.

This really sucks.

clm
December 23rd, 2007, 06:16 PM
I developed asthma in my late 30's. Smoking doesn't help either I'm sure, but I'm also allergic to cats, dogs, birds, dust....you get the idea, and my house is full of all those things. :laughing:
Wheezing happens at night, it's the only time it really bothers me. You need to sleep with your head slightly elevated, that'll help for sure.
I don't take anything for it, just because I've never been one to believe in taking medication unless it's absolutely necessary. I've learned how to live with this, and unless I get a cold, I can usually deal with it without taking anything.

Cindy

ancientgirl
December 23rd, 2007, 06:27 PM
I'm a total wimp. I hate the feeling of not being able to breathe. I will though try to keep my head elevated when I go to bed. It's pretty much bad during the day, but it does get worse at night.

krdahmer
December 23rd, 2007, 06:59 PM
I was diagnosed at 2, but have probably had it since birth, and up until I started the combo of serevent and flovent (I take them now in one puffer- advair) I relied on my rescue inhalers. It is scary I know, not being able to catch your breath cause there is no where for it to go, and the coughing only makes it worse and I don't know about you but I always got a bit panicky too which never helps. And I had no idea there were types of singulair I thought it did double duty... helping my allergies and asthma at the same time (at least that was how it was explained to me.)

If it turns out you do have asthma, I highly recommend the purple puffer advair (and don't bother with the discus ones of any kind, they suck and I'm never able to suck out all the meds!IMO) and singlulair... after struggling for 27 years, that is the combo that finally worked. It is handy to always have a rescue inhaler too, in case of emergency. I keep one in my purse at all times (ventolin), but have only had to use it maybe 2 times in as many years... usually from being at someone else's house who has pets... :rolleyes:

I still wheeze a bit on cleaning days and after doing the litter, but not bad enough to need the ventolin.

ancientgirl
December 23rd, 2007, 07:14 PM
I thought there was two types of Singulair, only because on the site it has two sections, but someone told me its the same pill for both.

Is advair used in a nebulizer or just like a regular inhaler?

I do panic when I can't breath, but the other day it wasn't that bad. I just took another Singulair, which seemed to work, but I can't take more than one because I'll go through my monthly allowance of pills and my insurance company won't allow me to get any before the month ends.

I'm going to give my doctor's office a call on Wednesday. Hopefully I can get an appointment on Thursday or Friday. I think I can hold off until then.

krdahmer
December 23rd, 2007, 07:37 PM
http://www.advair.com/asthma_treatment.html

Here is their site, I'm not really sure of all the medical type jargon, I just know it works for me. And the site pushes that stupid discus, but the puffer is available and much easier to use.

ancientgirl
December 23rd, 2007, 07:48 PM
I was reading the site. If I have to take something, and I know I will, because I know I'm having asthmatic problems. I'd rather use a puffer or something I can just have with me. My friend gives her kids a nebulizer treatment daily, and I don't want to have to use a load of stuff.

LOL, boy, this will be an interesting conversation with my doctor. The first thing he's going to say is, "Get rid of the cats."

The second thing he's going to say is, "Boy, you have a heck of a right cross."

The third thing he's going to say is, "Here's your prescription."

hazelrunpack
December 23rd, 2007, 08:03 PM
I developed adult onset asthma at the "tender" age of 51. Got some sort of pertussis-like virus in the spring of 2006 that turned into pneumonia and asthma and I'm still recovering from it. I had no luck with the Advair at all--but that might be because mine isn't allergy mediated. :shrug:

When I went in for the allergy testing I told the doc up front--if it's the dogs we're going to work around them because they're not going anywhere. :D Luckily, I was negative for allergies--including that one! :thumbs up

Make sure you have a rescue inhaler--and keep it with you at all times. They come in mighty handy. :o

And, praise dawg, I seem to be slowly improving :thumbs up

ancientgirl
December 23rd, 2007, 08:11 PM
I'm glad your recovering too. I know my problem is allergy related, there's no doubt about it.

I'll try anything I can get. And I will discuss an emergency inhaler. The first time it happened to me, was when I had first brought Vlad home. I was using Zyrtec then, and I almost took myself to the emergency room. This last time it wasn't as bad, but it wasn't fun.

What makes me angry is I just saw my doctor last week and I was fine. Now all of the sudden BAM!

hazelrunpack
December 23rd, 2007, 08:18 PM
Ya...it certainly does seem to get worse after a doctor's appt! :rolleyes: It's a very contrary condition... :frustrated: Mine is weird, too, cuz my peak flow goes up on bad days and doesn't really ever get below normal for my age and height. :shrug: Not unheard of, but definitely not the 'norm'...at first the doctor thought I was blowing smoke! :rolleyes: The blue fingernails finally convinced him :laughing:

rainbow
December 23rd, 2007, 08:28 PM
I don't have asthma (thank dog) but just wanted to wish you good luck. :fingerscr :goodvibes: :grouphug:

ancientgirl
December 23rd, 2007, 08:37 PM
Thanks. As long as I get something for it, I can deal. If I have it then I have it. At least its something I would be able to control with medication. I just hope I don't have any major problem until I can see my doctor.

CyberKitten
December 23rd, 2007, 08:52 PM
Please do not jump to conclusions after reading one site from a drug company. They provide possibly THE worst info possible. Certainly, their info re their product is accurate to a degree but they, like any marketer, are going to present their product in the best light possible.

And I find drug companies what people to think they have an illness so they convince people to see their doctor with the idea that they may have something wrong. One should see a doctor with an objective opinion unconvinced about anything - and question everything, even your doctor.

You did not list your symptoms and even if you did, it would be highly unethical of me or anyone else to suggest you might have asthma based on what you tell us. The only way you will know if you have some type of asthma- and asthma is a variety of ailments - not all allergy related (yes, any are but not all.) is to see your doctor, have her send you to a respirologist/pulmonary specialist or order a group of tests - including pulmonary function tests and then examine them to see whether you might benefit from some of these meds. Not all asthma patients do and some are actually made worse by taking some medications. I have seen especially some children become way too dependent on inhalers and that is NOT at all a desired outcome.

I have COPD and have one lung which in some patients leads to the need for a transplant. I had one respirologist inform me I would need oxygen 24/7 in seven years(where he got that number, I have no idea)- that was in 1990, lol Of course, that has not happened and I do not even use the gold standard in asthma/COPD (ventolin - also known as Salbutamol. It has many adverse effects - like tachycardia which I already have so I need to use it with extreme caution. I do think had I followed that physician's orders without exception, I would only find myself in the position if needing more today and that would place me- with cardiac issues- between a rock and a hard place.

So, think a lot about this and study this very carefully. You cannot presume it is asthma. It may well be an innocent allergy that can be helped by something much less easier to deal with than a med with an inhaler. These are complex meds - like all meds essentially - and some family docs hand them out way too freely. If you really believe you have asthma, ask for a referral to a specialist. Your family doctor is I am sure very good but if you do have any respiratory problems, you really need to see a pulmonary specialist. Once you jump on the dicey train of these kind of meds, you will complicate everything from minor surgery to how they affect other meds you may need to take. It is always best to try some other avenue first before resorting to meds. Prescriptions do not solve every problem and are occasionally seem easy but are not. I for one would not write a script for these drugs without a complete workup of a patient!!

Good luck - I do hope it is not asthma. There are many many illnesses (bronchitis and allergies for example) that sound like asthma but are not. And asthma itself comes in various forms. So, see your doctor, have those pulmonary tests and then talk it over with your doctor before coming to any conclusions. I am tempted myself to diagnose myself but even as a physician, I know it's not wise. (unless it is a cold or something obvious of course, lol).

Good luck!!!!

ancientgirl
December 23rd, 2007, 09:11 PM
I am going to see my doctor first chance I get, but whatever this is, I need some help.

I've been coughing constantly for the last 3 days, so much I"ve got a headache from it. It's hard at times for me to get a deep breath and I'm wheezing. This morning I was wheezing so much, it sounded like I'd swallowed a whistle.

I'm glad I do have the Singulair, because I'd be worse off. I've never been this long with this tightening in my chest. Right now, It's not something I can't live with for a few days, but I can't be like this longer than a week or so, because I really feel like I'm not getting enough air.

Maybe its my allergies, and I need something stronger or a combination of meds, but at this point, I'll take anything. I want to be able to enjoy my cats and be able to breath too. I've taken precautions, I've put in a special air filter in my AC unit. I made sure I vacuumed really well and dusted. I gave Vlad, Oksana and Kiska a bath yesterday and brushed them all well. The only thing I can't do is keep them off my bed or out of my room. Since I live in a loft, the stairs go up right into my bedroom. There's no door, so there's no way to keep them out. And I find I don't even want to keep my babies off my bed because they bring me great comfort when I wake up and feel them sleeping with me.

At one point this evening, I even thought about talking to my doctor again about allergy shots. I'd love to be able to one day not have to take another pill and be able to share my home with my pets with no issues.

It's times like these when I'm angry at my own body for even becoming allergic to cats. As a teenager I never had a problem with allergies to any animal, and now this. This is something I need to discuss with him. He needs to just get over the fact I have cats and they aren't going anywhere, so he needs to help me. Whether it means pills or allergy shots.

krdahmer
December 24th, 2007, 12:13 AM
Ya my doctor and I worked really hard to find what would work, with the cats, it took a while but was so worth it. Some of my dependency on the puffer and meds are also because of my weight as both my asthma and allergies were better when I lost a large amount in highschool... so I am also working on that. Plus it may just be that you kind of shocked your body with an overload of allergens as of late and it needs time to catch up a bit.

Have you tried just standing on the balcony for a bit when it is really hard to catch your breath?

ancientgirl
December 24th, 2007, 07:18 AM
I was also thinking the same thing. I've just added two more cats to the household, so that may be part of it. My body may need to adjust to them like I'd adjusted to Vlad and Oksana.

I haven't tried the balcony, but that's a good idea. Maybe I'll do what I'd planned to do a while back, just go out in the evening and take a walk and get some fresh air.

CyberKitten
December 24th, 2007, 10:08 PM
I do hope your doctor and you can find an appropriate med- and one with not too many adverse reactions. We are all unique and what works for some does not work for others. God knows I have some some great chemo drugs completely fail in some kids and it's back to the pharmaceutical drawing board which can make one feel like Houdini, sigh!

I have developed allergies too late in life (well I am not that old but I mean as an adult, lol) and they have NOTHING at all to do with my COPD(Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). That may not help but there is no correlation. So yours SOUNDS like an allergy but it also may be any number of what we call differential diagnosis. That's why you need to be careful with meds. IF it is a cardiac problem and with the tightening of the chest, that is a symptom of a heart problem, the meds you describe are not helpful and may in fact add to the problem in that situation, They may well seem good in the short term but may hurt you badly in the long term. So please please do not take anything without reconsulting with a doctor or with at the very least a pharmacist.

Is there an off hrs clinic you can go to when it gets like that? In the event it is as serious as you seem to thin kit is? I am suggesting it's not- God knows my dad had gallstones and that developed other illnesses that gave him a 20% chance of survival so I take NOTHING for granted and take everyone's symptoms very seriously. If they are that severe, you and you alone know your body, it might be worth it - until you get to your family doc, to see one of those clinics or to ask your family doc for an emergency appt. I get calls from GP's all the time asking me to see a certain patient as an emergency. (I do not take individual referrals - as one of my friends in pediatrics says, she does not do maintenance, I do "maintenance" tho I would not call it that- I call it medical care - but you have to have cancer or something very serious to see me so most people would prefer not to be my patient!!!)

Don't take theophylline - for some reason, people even in Canada will go to the US and buy it off the shelf. It's prob OK if you have no underlying medical probs but it has been taken off our shelves in Canada for a reason, It is like drinking a ton of coffee- can potentially cause a heart attack but then so can some other asthma drugs if used more than once or twice a day!

Have you tried allergy meds? NOT sudafed- that is also not good for anyone with high BP or heart issues and you do not know if that is an issue. Other ones - because your situation could be an allergy but it also has the wide variety of so many diagnoses that you really need the tests and so forth to know what it is. Have you had allergy testing? That and that with other blood tests will let you now whether you have allergies to foods or air contaminants.

For my allergies I give myself an injection about once a month but do it at my office or in a hospital because it has a crash cart. These allergy meds- some of them- are serious meds!! Like you, this is recent and I would never give up my pets for anything.

ancientgirl
December 25th, 2007, 02:20 AM
Thanks for the advice. I did call my doctor's office and made an appointment for this coming Friday. I haven't had a bad night since that initial one a few days ago. I still feel sometimes like I can't get a deep enough breath, but it's not something I feel I can't live with for a few days until I see my doctor.

I thought about taking an extra over the counter allergy medicine, but since I'm already taking the Singulair, I decided not to mix that with anything like that.

Heck, I'm only 40, and my allergy to cats and dogs came about in my early 20's. Of course, it didn't matter for a long time since I didn't have any pets. I lived with my aunt and her family for a long time, so I couldn't have a pet in a home that wasn't mine. Then when I moved out, I tried having a pet but my allergies them popped up. At that time in my life, I was young, and just didn't know how to deal with it. I didn't know I had other options so I had to give up the kitty I had. I'll always kick myself for doing that, because had I known back then I could control my allergies like I could today, she would have been a wonderful addition to my life.

Today, I have options, and I know about them, thanks to the internet and people like you that I have met here. I know that I can at least work with my doctor, after he stops telling me to get rid of my cats, and find a solution I can live with comfortable.

I'll find my own little perfect world, I just have to be patient.:D

CearaQC
December 25th, 2007, 05:10 AM
I don't have anything to contribute to helping with your breathing problem but wanted to share something I saw on TV a few years ago. I think it was one of the science channels like Discovery or something like that.

Anyway, the instructor was teaching asthmatics how to not panic when out of breath. He had training and experience doing deep human breath-only dives with no oxygen tank, and had several people in a swimming pool doing simple breathing exercises and practicing holding breath underwater. Basically training the mind to not panic. Panic contributes a lot to diver deaths and probably doesn't help with asthma either.

The people interviewed on the show said the training really helped them a lot when they couldn't breathe.

CyberKitten
December 25th, 2007, 12:33 PM
I have to be quick - wnted to stop in on the thread but maybe later...

Panic attacks can actually cause asthma attacks so the two do go together

I am shocked your doctor would yell at you about your pets. He should be helping you work around that!! Many do. .

As for singulair, it can safely be taken with Bronchodilators (ie puffers) and
Inhaled Corticosteroids. Do you take 10 mg (beige), 4 mg (pink-oval), 5 mg (pink-round), 4 mg (white)?

Singulair is indicated for allergies but not for asthma so I;d be very cautious with it until it is established what you have exactly. It is not a heavy dury med but with in the wrong person for the wrong ailment, it could be. It can cause an irregular heartbeat in some ppl for example.

Anyway- glad to hear you will see your doc on Friday!! Good luck!!! Tell him not to yell re the pets- that is your life, not his!!

and Merry Christmas! Or happy holidays!

ancientgirl
December 25th, 2007, 03:26 PM
I suffer from panic attacks too. I take medication for that, and I've also been trying to teach myself to take a moment and breathe when I feel one may be coming on.

So far today I've been okay, but I've been gone most of the morning.

I take the 10mg beige Singulair. When I'm see my doctor I'm just going to tell him that my pets help keep me from the feeling of being alone, which in part was the beginning of my panic attacks and depression. They do keep me stable. Even though I worry constantly about them, and need to learn to live in the now, and not worry about the day they are no longer with me, I feel different when I get home and find them here waiting for me. He just has to understand that they are not only my babies, but they are my therapy.

CyberKitten
December 25th, 2007, 07:51 PM
It is possible the two are related then in your situation but your doctor and you hopefully can figure it out.

I would tell your doctor that many doctors use pets as therapy. My female Siamese cat is a certified therapy cat and she even does rounds with me sometimes, - not often but on occasion tho obviously, she can't visit kids who are immunosuppresed. Even with allergies, people do well with pets. He may not be a cat or dog person but he needs to understand they are an important part of your life so he is going to have to help you cope with your illnesses while keeping in mind that they are your a major part of your family. tell him to read the literature- there is enough out there!

And good luck - and MERRY Christmas! I hope you managed to get past those evil inlaws. Just put it out of your mind, Think of good things, like your cats!!

ancientgirl
December 25th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Thank you, I appreciate your advice. I really do feel so much better as soon as I get home. When I've had a hard day, I just know once I get home, I'll be okay, because I have them waiting for me.

I've actually thought about using one of my kitties as therapy cats. I need to get some information, because I imagine they would have to be calm and easy going and allow themselves to be pet. LOL, Vlad is not a lap kitty, and Oksana likes to be pet on her terms.

Kiska and Maks are still young and I have to see what kind of personalities they develop in the coming months.