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is rodeo cruel??

marsupial mama
November 20th, 2007, 08:52 PM
took my girls to the Royal this year and we watched one of the horse shows. We like showjumping/"english" riding but they also presented a brief display of barrel racing and promoted the rodeo that was to take place the next day.

The barrel racing was fun to watch but we're all a bit worried if rodeo might be cruel to animals. The thing where they tie a kind of belt to the bull and the cowboy tries to stay on for as long a possible is a bit worrying. The kids are curious to see rodeo but we will boycott if it is cruel to the critters involved. (slightly OT - we saw a trailer for "Snow Dogs" on the Ratatouille DVd and my youngest wants to buy it. I said No and explained why and she was totally cool with it.)

Any thoughts??

Writing4Fun
November 20th, 2007, 08:56 PM
The people who run the rodeo will tell you that their animals are well cared for, with lush pastures on their off time and such. I tend to disagree. Sure, the bulls can handle themselves. ;) But the calves are scared poopless, wrestled to the ground and hog-tied. Can't be a good time for them. I think it's slightly better than bull fighting, but only just.

I must have missed the discussion about Snow Dogs. Why is it being boycotted? :confused:

marsupial mama
November 20th, 2007, 09:07 PM
Thanks W4F. I think we will stick with the showjumping...

I think I read about Snow Dogs - or is it Snow Puppies?? - on here a few months back. Several of the pups used in the movie died in the process, because they were taken too young and transported too far and so on, if I remember correctly. In the trailer they look cute as all get out and my kids are suckers for cute critter movies but we have agreed to forego this one as a very tiny protest on our part.

CearaQC
November 20th, 2007, 09:13 PM
I think the horses really enjoy their jobs, when it comes to cutting out cattle and barrel racing. Some of them get into it mentally with the intensity like a border collie. Horses are amazing animals.. wish I could have one.

But the cows... don't think they enjoy it as much. Probably very stressful for them!

Saw a thing on the news back in 1994 I think... they were covering a Mexican rodeo. And those people were very cruel to the horses. The horses ended up freaking out and injured/killed themselves out of fright and the whole scene was rather gruesome. The worst part? The crowd was cheering!

Not too fond of the Spanish bull fighting or the annual bull runs either... poor things. Although I could get into the tomato fight! That would be so much fun.

glitterless
November 20th, 2007, 10:16 PM
I'm not sure where I stand on rodeo any more. I used to be all for it, but I've seen things that make me cringe.

I really enjoy working with cattle. My parents run a beef farm and I've had a lot of experience working around cattle.

Rodeo began as a way for the best cowboys to show off their skills. What they did on rodeo day wasn't much different from what they did on the ranch. However, there is big money in rodeo now. While it used to be about getting the job done effectively, I worry now that a lot of it is more about winning money.

Yes, rodeo stock are well cared for. There is no doubt in my mind that any reputable rodeo have very sound, well-cared for stock. However, how fun is it for a young calf to be chased around by a horse?

As for bull and bronc riding, I don't see as big a problem with it. These aren't wild, untouched animals that the riders are riding. These animals are very much used to being ridden through their bucking fits, despite everything that you see. The "belt" is called a flank strap. It makes the animal uncomfortable, but should not hurt them. It does encourage them to buck, but these animals are encouraged in other ways to buck. They are bred for it, just like any working animal is bred to do its job best.

Things do go wrong in bull and bronc riding, but things go wrong in other equestrian sports that I support and enjoy 100%.

Don't think for a moment that in a sport like tie-down roping (calf roping) that a rancher really performs his duties in such haste. We handle our animals humanely, gently, yet firmly and assertively enough to get the job done. Not all of our cattle are pets that can be handled like our dogs, but I would never dream of throwing a calf to the ground and hog-tying him unless his life depended on. There are humane ways to perform routine medical procedures like dehorning, castration, giving injections, and so on.

I do support rodeo and enjoy attending events like the Calgary Stampede, but you won't see me out chasing down our calves on horseback, despite my gelding's desire to do so :)

Marsupial, I'm glad you and your girls enjoyed the Royal. I've been going since I was a child and love it. It's my favourite time of year and I wouldn't miss it for the world.

I love seeing the general public and the agricultural communities come together and learn. Unfortunately I don't think that people realize just what goes into the production of the food that they buy in the grocery store.

sugarcatmom
November 20th, 2007, 11:13 PM
You can read what the Humane Society of Canada (http://www.humanesociety.com/news/latest/rodeos_a_brutal_violent_spectacle_says_the_hsc.htm l) and the Canadian Federation of Humane Societies (http://cfhs.ca/farm/rodeos/) have to say about rodeos.

This is an excerpt (dated 2002) from the Humane Society link, and does not include several more recent deadly incidents at the Calgary Stampede (listed afterwards), and these are just the ones that make the news. I guarantee there are plenty more injuries and deaths behind the scenes and out of the public eye at every rodeo. All for the sake of entertainment.

"For the past 30 years, I have worked extensively with horses and livestock here in Canada and in over 85 different countries. My father was a farmer, and I also hold a Bachelor of Science in Agriculture from the University of Guelph. Having inspected rodeos here in Canada and in other countries, I can assure you without qualification, that rodeo events bear no relationship whatsoever with modern day accepted livestock handling practices. Any real cowboy that treated an animal this way would be fired in a heartbeat," said Michael OíSullivan, HSC Executive Director.

"People's fascination with the Old West means these animals pay a terrible and unnecessary price," said OíSullivan.

In this year's Kondike Days Rodeo, currently being held in Edmonton's Northlands Park, one horse dided follwoing a collsion in the chuckwagon event. This event has resulted in the death of 5 horses in the last five years. Last yearís Calgary Stampede resulted in a horse breaking its shoulder in the chuckwagon event, and a calfís leg being broken the roping event. Both animals were euthanized. In 2000, two horses died following the chuckwagon event. In 1999, in the CAN-AM Rodeo in Ottawa, a bucking horse slammed into a fence breaking her neck and dying before the crowd of 2000 people. In the Calgary Stampede that same year, two horses died in a crash during the chuck-wagon race. In the 1997 Calgary Stampede, 3 horses were severely injured, one of whom later died. In addition, in the bull-riding event, one bullís leg became wedged in the chute gate; the bull was injured so badly it had to be put down. In 1996, four chuckwagon horses were killed, one dying of a heart attack, two had to be euthanized, the fourth horse broke both its neck and leg. In 1995, one horse in the bronco event died due to head injuries, another two died after breaking their legs, in each of the bronco event and the chuckwagon race, a third was knocked down and sustained a shoulder injury, and a fourth horse collapsed. The Calgary Stampedes of 1990, 1992 and 1994 resulted in the combined death of 4 horses (two in chuckwagon events and two in bronco events), broken legs led to the euthanasia of one steer and 3 calves. In 1989, two calves were killed after breaking legs in the calf-roping event. In 1987, two chuckwagon horses, a calf and a steer died. One of the horses collapsed after having a hear attack, the other animals had to be euthanized after breaking legs. Finally, in 1986, one of the highest death count occurred during a chuckwagon crash that ended the lives of 9 horses.

2002: Six horses are put down after they are injured during chuckwagon races, and a calf is put down after one of its legs is broken in the calf-roping event.

2004: A horse is put down after it breaks its hind leg in a rodeo event.

July 3, 2005: Nine prized rodeo horses die after they fall off a bridge and into the fast-moving Bow River. They were with about 200 horses that got spooked and ran at full gallop on the bridge, when some crowded together and sent several tumbling into the river. They were nearing the end of a trail ride that was supposed to finish on the Stampede grounds. Organizers had staged the ride to celebrate Alberta's centennial year. The Calgary Humane Society is investigating.

krdahmer
November 21st, 2007, 12:46 AM
:sad::frustrated:

clm
November 21st, 2007, 07:34 AM
If you're going to get into rodeos, carry it a little further and tackle horseracing and dog racing. More animals put down with broken legs in those sports than rodeo I bet.

Cindy

want4rain
November 21st, 2007, 07:41 AM
whether they have any relevance to modern farming, its a HUGE part of our heritage. :)

-ashley

sugarcatmom
November 21st, 2007, 08:02 AM
whether they have any relevance to modern farming, its a HUGE part of our heritage. :)

-ashley

So is slavery.

sugarcatmom
November 21st, 2007, 08:13 AM
If you're going to get into rodeos, carry it a little further and tackle horseracing and dog racing. More animals put down with broken legs in those sports than rodeo I bet.

Cindy

The question was whether or not rodeos are cruel. One could escalate the issue all the way up to factory farming (cruelest abuse of animals on the planet, IMO), but the OP was asking about rodeos, not whether she should take her kids to the races.

chico2
November 21st, 2007, 08:35 AM
Heritage and Culture is no excuse for cruelty,I would hope we as human beeings have evolved since the 1800th to realize another creatures pain or death is not entertainment:yell:
Sugarcat,factoryfarms is THE worst case of animal-cruelty in modern times,many countries,I only know specifically of Sweden,are slowly outlawing this practise.
Here in Canada and the US,we turn a blind eye,it's all about $$$ after all:yell:
As for Rodeos,not what I call entertainment:sad:
I went to a big BBQ,when visiting Alberta ranch-country a few years back..what was the occasion?
The castration of calves:yell:the screams of these poor creatures,were in my head for a long time to come..needless to say we left the party.

mastifflover
November 21st, 2007, 09:35 AM
I think certain parts of rodeo are cruel and like the circus I will not attend either. I do know that the horses do love the races and all the contests I have a friend who used to compete. Her horses could not wait to get in the ring. But no one is going to tell me what the cows and bulls have to endure is enjoyable to them. Doubt it. How is hurting animals entertaining?

ancientgirl
November 21st, 2007, 09:55 AM
I don't like any part of Rodeo's. All the animals get is stressed and worked to hard, and all for what? Entertainment? They certainly don't get any of the prize money earned.

Lise
November 21st, 2007, 10:49 AM
Personally I think rodeos,circus etc are cruel.As far as horse racing,dog racing and many other equine sports I wouldn't have any problem if the animals involved were not treated as disposable.Many dogs and horses do enjoy their sports.As far as factory farms there is no excuse for them,barbaric cruelty for luxury products.If you choose to eat meat ,your choice,but you should pay whatever it costs for this animal to have good quality of life and a humane death.

clm
November 21st, 2007, 12:34 PM
The question was whether or not rodeos are cruel. One could escalate the issue all the way up to factory farming (cruelest abuse of animals on the planet, IMO), but the OP was asking about rodeos, not whether she should take her kids to the races.

Fine, I don't think Canadian Rodeos are cruel. I do think horseracing and dog racing are. I don't know enough about factory farming to be able to say.

Cindy

want4rain
November 21st, 2007, 02:10 PM
the rodeo has a purpose, sure the skill hasnt been needed in the last 50 to 100 years but that doesnt mean its anything less than a purposeful skill. without our factory farms we would still need most of the skills used in a rodeo.

because of factory farming, should people stop hunting for food?? it IS cruel to allow a deer to die from a gunshot. so lets discard all self sufficiency.

how many dogs are used for herding? do you think the sheep like to be nipped at and barked at??

it scares me how dependent we are on commercialism.

-ash

sugarcatmom
November 21st, 2007, 03:12 PM
the rodeo has a purpose, sure the skill hasnt been needed in the last 50 to 100 years but that doesnt mean its anything less than a purposeful skill.

The only purpose of modern day rodeos is entertainment. Period. No better than a circus, probably even worse due to the competition factor.


without our factory farms we would still need most of the skills used in a rodeo.

because of factory farming, should people stop hunting for food?? it IS cruel to allow a deer to die from a gunshot. so lets discard all self sufficiency.

Huh? I didn't intend to sidetrack this thread, but I'm not sure you know what factory farming is. Maybe this will help:
http://www.factoryfarming.com/index.htm
http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/photos_beef.htm
http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/photos_pork.htm
http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/photos_poultry.htm


how many dogs are used for herding? do you think the sheep like to be nipped at and barked at??

it scares me how dependent we are on commercialism.

-ash

??? I don't get it.

chico2
November 21st, 2007, 04:34 PM
Ash,you are a little confusing:D

marsupial mama
November 21st, 2007, 07:46 PM
wow. thanks for all the opinions and thoughts... looks like we will skip the rodeo for sure. BTW I took my kids to the circus once but it was an animal-free one.

Maybe a little bit :offtopic: but thanks for the factory farming links, sugarcatmom. I couldn't bring myself to look at any photos but the words were bad enough. Not pleasant reading but I think we should be aware... <sigh>

want4rain
November 21st, 2007, 09:50 PM
Ash,you are a little confusing:D

i know Chico, and it makes me really sad.

to say it plainly, the means to self sufficiency shouldnt be forgotten. if the only people in the world know how to catch a free roaming cow were those who played at the rodeo, that makes me feel more comfortable.

if your power went out tomorrow and never came back on, i highly doubt many would have more than a 24 hours of candles, generator, maybe a winters of wood if they were lucky. doesnt anyone else think of things like that?? im not saying freak out over some fairly unlikely scenario... i just find it baffling that no one wonders where they would get their groceries if there werent grocery stores anymore.

i think its a good thing we are preserving a skill that could some day be useful again. we turn out backs on the past that advanced us to this point, blindly walking forward wondering why we repeat the same mistakes all the time.

-ashley

sugarcatmom
November 21st, 2007, 10:50 PM
i think its a good thing we are preserving a skill that could some day be useful again. we turn out backs on the past that advanced us to this point, blindly walking forward wondering why we repeat the same mistakes all the time.

-ashley

I used to work on a cattle ranch many years ago and at no time was it necessary to hitch a team of horses up to a chuckwagon and race at high speed around the fields. Not a single calf was roped running at full tilt and then stopped so short that it flipped over on its back. No steers were ever dragged to the ground by twisting their heads around backwards. These rodeo events are a horrible mutation of anything that truly goes on at a mom 'n pop working farm. They are purely for the amusement of the paying public.

I really want to think that the human race is getting more enlightened as we go along, but sadly that doesn't seem to be the case.

Hogansma
November 22nd, 2007, 12:20 AM
I live in BC and will not attend the Calgary Stampede. Sugarcatmom, thanks for the statistics about it. The last few years there have been terrible animal accidents resulting in death there and I fail to see this as entertainment. I did take my son to a local rodeo when he was young (and so was I) but now I will not attend one. It's just common sense that this is exploiting animals for our own entertainment.