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November 8th, 2007, 02:19 AM
Is aspartame really safe ???

November 8th, 2007, 04:27 PM
you know what, im going to go on a little rant here, if you want me to delete it, i will without any sort of hard feelings... it is your thread. :)

well of course the stuffs bad for you!! lets eat this chemical and see how COOL it is for our bodies!! well the REAL sugar isnt healthy for you, what the heck makes folks think that the FAKE sugar is ANY better. REAL sugar is less harmful then the fake but not by much!!! people have this stupid sugar addiction cause it TASTE GOOD!! it is totally unnecessary to eat sugar!! and yet people pump their bodies full of it every day!! do you have any idea how HARD it is to find foods without added sugar?? so because people have this obsessive addiction to sugar.... its the *new* thing for all manufactures of food to add sugar to... everything.

so folks, get over your addictions. just because it taste good doesnt mean it IS good. just because it says it taste like sugar and has no calories DOESNT MEAN IT IS GOOD FOR YOU!!

so quit it!! quit now!! no more sugar!! no more high fructose corn syrup, no more maltodextrin, no more sweet and low or equal or any of the other knock offs!! folks they ALL have the potential to make you very sick!!!

stick to lactose, fructose and honey. they were what we evolved on, they are what our bodies can process and their sources have much much more nutrition than the diet coke you drink does.

rant over.... :o


white wrabbit
November 8th, 2007, 04:58 PM
i'm not a big pop person.. but when i have some i like the ones that have the full flavor none of that diet stuff...:yuck:

and i do like my sugar in my coffee.:D. but i find that other "stuff" makes it taste really bad.. what ever they make it out of i am guessing that is what i am tasting:yuck::yuck:

As for Aspartame beaning safe.. i went and found a short url of what chemicals are in it.. IMO i am going to say no.. Do we really want to put that in our body's?:shrug:

November 8th, 2007, 05:28 PM
There's a LOT of controversy over Aspartame. Most of it is political and profit based. And the deception goes far beyond just Aspartame. Other things have been approved for human use but have turned out to be deadly.

You can do a web search about it and start reading. There's enough scientific material out there hopefully that will convince you to stay far, far away from that chemical.

It was force-approved for human consumption and is not safe. It is a poison and a known carcinogen.

For a sweetener that's plant based, check out Stevia. In the right climate, you can grow this yourself. Richter's Herbs in Canada carries live plants and ships via post. Hurry though, because I heard rumor Coca Cola is planning on using it in a future soft drink and wants to trademark Stevia and make getting the live plants/seeds more difficult. What's ironic, is although now, almost 20 years after Aspartame became OK'd by the FDA, they went on and on how it was safe. And now that Stevia is becoming more popular, they are quick to come out and say it's bad. In the end, it's all about profit, with no scruples pushing harmful chemicals onto people. They can't make profit from it if many people grow it themselves. 1 leaf is enough to sweeten a cup of tea.

Research a guy named Edward Bernays. He was the "father" of Public Relations. He's the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and used his uncle's theories in the world of advertising, citing that ordinary people are blubbering idiots and will believe anything they are told, as long as it comes from a TV commercial or people with degree titles (PhD,MD, etc). There's a superb documentary streaming free video online called "Century of the Self." BBC made it and it's a fascinating look behind the scenes of psychology and advertising.

Here's an article about how Aspartame got approved and who was involved.

Rumsfeld's Disease

A Politically-Induced Biochemical
Disaster Of Global Proportions
By Don Harkins
The Idaho Observer

Today, Donald Rumsfeld is known throughout the world as the zealous U.S. Secretary of Defense who is waging a global "war on terror" in search of "terrorists" and "weapons of mass destruction." Most people, however, are not aware that Rumsfeld himself unleashed a chemical weapon of mass destruction upon the world in 1981-and it is still out there destroying people all over the world. That "WMD" is aspartame and it has been scientifically and anecdotally linked to millions of chronic illnesses and deaths.

The evidence shows that, with full knowledge of aspartame's neurotoxicity and carcinogenicity, Rumsfeld, as the CEO of G.D.

Searle, Co., "called in his markers" to achieve U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for the artificial sweetener aspartame, better known by its trade name "NutraSweet."

Consumer advocate attorney Jim Turner, who was instrumental in the 1969 banning of cyclamate in the U.S. for its link to various forms of cancer, met with representatives of aspartame approval petitioner Searle in 1974. The main topic of discussion was neuroscientist Dr. John Olney,s 1971 study which showed that aspartic acid caused lesions in the brains of infant mice. According to Turner, arguably the world,s foremost authority on aspartame's dubious legal history, Rumsfeld was apparently hired by Searle for one specific purpose: To obtain FDA approval for aspartame.

Betty Martini is the director of Mission Possible, a worldwide consumer advocacy organization formed in 1992 as a voice for those demanding that the FDA reverse its approval of aspartame and order its removal from foods, beverages and medical preparations. Martini is even more bold in her charges against Rumsfeld. Martini believes the Washington insider, former three-term U.S. Rep. From Illinois (1962-1968), secretary of defense (1975-1977) and executive assistant to President Gerald Ford, was hired by Searle because, "He was willing to get a deadly chemical poison, aspartame, approved for human consumption"


In December, 1965 Searle chemist James Schlatter discovered aspartame while working on an ulcer drug. The substance, comprised of 50 percent synthetic phenylalanine, 40 percent synthetic aspartic acid and 10 percent methanol, was about 200 times sweeter than sugar by weight and had no calories. By spring, 1967, Searle began conducting safety trials in preparation for petitioning the FDA for product approval.

Soon after the trials began, lab animals (monkeys and mice) began experiencing adverse effects ranging from brain lesions and tumors to seizures and death. Yet Searle petitioned the FDA for aspartame approval in February, 1973. According to Turner, Searle provided the FDA with over 100 studies claiming they proved aspartame was "safe." Independent analyses of these studies, however, proves conclusively that aspartame is actually a dangerous, neurotoxic, carcinogenic and highly-addictive drug.

Trusting Searle's promise that aspartame was safe, the FDA approved the limited use of aspartame in dry goods on July 26, 1974. Turner and Dr. Olney formally objected to the approval. Their petition triggered an FDA investigation of Searle's lab practices which proved that Searle had provided the FDA with inaccurate conclusions resulting from manipulated data derived from poorly-designed studies. The FDA reversed its decision to approve aspartame in dry goods.

On January 10, 1977, the FDA formally requested that the U.S. Department of Justice convene a federal grand jury to determine if Searle should be criminally indicted for "concealing material facts and making false statements" with regard to its petition for aspartame approval.

Among the many charges FDA investigators made about Searle's shoddy lab practices was how rats that developed tumors would undergo surgical removal of the tumors and then be placed back into the study as if nothing had happened to them.

The grand jury investigation was led by U.S. Attorney Samuel Skinner. In July 1, 1977, while the investigation was being conducted, Skinner left the Justice Department and took a job with Sidley & Austin-the law firm representing Searle. The statute of limitations eventually ran out and the grand jury disbanded without reaching any conclusions regarding Searle and its lab practices.

Amid this controversy, Rumsfeld was hired as Searle CEO on March 8, 1977 and immediately began cleaning house. Rumsfeld, who had no previous business executive experience before becoming CEO of Searle, reorganized several departments in the company and fired many of its high-level managers, replacing them with other politically-connected Washington, D.C., insiders.

Though the controversies deepened and the evidence proving the poisonous nature of his company,s product continued to accumulate, Rumsfeld and his team continued to push for FDA approval of aspartame.

A team of FDA investigators headed by Jerome Bressler attempted to block Rumsfeld, et. al, by publishing what has become known as the "Bressler Report" on August 1, 1977. The report cited several instances where Searle intentionally mislead the FDA in its petition for marketplace approval of aspartame. The FDA then formed a public board of inquiry (PBOI) in 1979 to rule on the myriad safety issues surrounding aspartame.

By this time, FDA investigators and independent scientists had exhaustively reviewed the Searle studies and additional studies had been conducted. There was no doubt, based upon objective analyses of evidence that had accumulated for over a decade, that aspartame was deathly poisonous to lab animals and caused a statistically significant number of them to develop tumors.

On September 30, 1980, the PBOI concluded that aspartame should not be approved pending further investigation of its link to the formation of brain tumors and that the FDA "has not been presented with proof of reasonable certainty that aspartame is safe for use as a food additive."

The coup

Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president January 21, 1981. Rumsfeld, while still CEO at Searle, was part of Reagan's transition team. This team hand-picked Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., to be the new FDA commissioner. Dr. Hayes, a pharmacologist, had no previous experience with food additives before being appointed director of the FDA. He, like Rumsfeld, did, however, have experience with chemical warfare studies while connected to the Department of Defense. According to The Washington Post, Hayes was, "one of a number of doctors who conducted drugs tests for the Army on determine the effect of a mind-disorienting drug called CAR 301,060," at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

The Post further explained why Hayes was the perfect choice to politically force the approval of aspartame: "According to a declassified 1976 report prepared by the Army Inspector General, Hayes had planned a research study to develop the mind-altering CAR 301,060 as a crowd control agent."

The report, detailing Hayes activities beginning in 1972, further indicated that Hayes was involved in similar biochemical mind control research studies until being named FDA director.

One of Hayes, first official acts as FDA chief was to approve the use of aspartame as an artificial sweetener in dry goods July 18, 1981. In order to accomplish this feat, Hayes had to overlook the scuttled grand jury investigation of Searle, overcome the Bressler Report, ignore the PBOI,s recommendations and pretend aspartame did not chronically sicken and kill thousands of lab animals. Hayes, left his post at the FDA in November, 1983, amid accusations that he was accepting corporate gifts for political favors. Just before leaving office in scandal, Hayes approved the use of aspartame in beverages. According to The Post, Hayes, next job was in the private sector where he served as a high-paid senior medical advisor for Searle,s public relations firm.

The aftermath

Within weeks of aspartame,s approval for use in beverages, cans of diet sodas and other sweet drinks were on the market. To help sell Americans on using the artificial sweetener, intense advertising campaigns began programming the public to believe that sugar has lots of calories; calories make us fat and NutraSweet has no calories-therefore it won,t make us fat.

Based upon this almost universally-accepted oversimplification of biochemical reality, aspartame has enjoyed 22 years of marketplace success and is now in an estimated 7,000 to 9,000 commonly-consumed products in at least 100 countries. When Searle was absorbed by Monsanto in 1985, Rumsfeld reportedly received a $12 million bonus.

Not surprisingly, the same adverse reactions seen in lab animals in the 60s and 70s are now being seen in the general population. In his first book on aspartame (1990), Dr. H.J. Roberts stated that in five or 10 years we would have a worldwide plague on our hands if we do not remove aspartame from our food supply. With the printing of "Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic (2001), Dr. Roberts declared that the world is, indeed, plagued by a global epidemic of symptoms associated with aspartame use.

* Aspartame is being identified by a growing number of researchers and physicians as an underlying cause of chronic ill health in America and other countries throughout the world.

* It interacts with other substances such as pharmaceutical drugs to produce adverse reactions.

* All metabolites of aspartame (formaldehyde, methanol, diketopiperazine and formic acid) are toxic to the human body and are especially toxic to the brain.

* Aspartame comprises over 80 percent of consumer complaints filed with the FDA.

* The FDA has generated a list of 92 symptoms associated with aspartame consumption that include nausea, dizziness, irritability, insanity, blindness, deafness, weight gain and death.

* The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that 500,000 people each year simply "drop dead" for no apparent reason from what it labels "sudden cardiac death."

* Dementia among all ages (especially the elderly) and learning disabilities among children, in the U.S. and abroad, have been skyrocketing since 1981.

As of today, the number of scientific and studies showing that aspartame is, indeed, an underlying cause of chronic physical and mental illness and death out number studies proving its safety by at least 400 to zero. Proof of this fact can also be determined by what happens in many cases when people stop using aspartame: Their chronic symptoms disappear.

The legacy

Defense Secretary Rumsfeld was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Gerald Ford-the highest civilian honor in America-on January 19, 1977. A few months later, Rumsfeld became the CEO of Searle to secure political approval for a product that science had proven to be a highly-addictive neurotoxic drug that causes chronic ill health, brain tumors and death. The evidence indicates that FDA approval for aspartame was a high-level political priority undoubtedly connected to its capacity to adversely effect the minds and bodies of those consuming it.

Because Rumsfeld placed politics above public health and safety, hundreds of millions of people throughout the world cannot think clearly and suffer from a variety of chronic illnesses. It is, therefore, fitting that symptoms associated with aspartame use be known as "Rumsfeld,s disease."

Caption: The search of a suitable picture of Donald Rumsfeld turned up this image from Portland Indy Media. Though it may seem satirical, is it? What goes through the mind of a man who knowingly poisons his own people?

November 8th, 2007, 05:35 PM
well.... let me also confess my sins.... Chris brought me home a coke and you betcha i drank it!! that being said i probably have a soda once a month, if even that. we ahve really made an effort to stay away from the 'substitutes'. its been REALLY hard though.


November 11th, 2007, 07:13 AM
I have been trying to wean myself off my daily diet cola for awhile now - it's hard! But I am drinking only 1 can a day 3-4 days a week so making progress. I don't have any symptoms but after a friend told me she had a friend w/ Parkinson's type symptoms that went away after quitting diet sodas (as recommended by her Dr), I thought it best to quit, just in case... For me, sparkling mineral water makes a good substitute as I like the fizzy stuff. To make a sweet drink, try mixing the mineral water with your favorite fruit juice.

November 11th, 2007, 07:25 AM
Aspartame is not just in fizzy drinks....

One item in the list strikes me as strange... "Frozen Ice" What other form does ice come in? lol Sure, there's "dry ice" but that's not water.

The Following Reduced Calorie Products Have Aspartame-Sweetened Choices

* Breath Mints
* Carbonated Soft Drinks
* Cereals
* Chewing Gum
* Flavored Syrups for Coffee
* Flavored Water Products
* Frozen Ice
* Frozen Ice Cream Novelties
* Fruit Spreads
* Gelatin, Sugar Free
* Hard Candies
* Ice cream Toppings
* Ice Creams, No Sugar Added or Sugar Free
* Iced Tea, Powder
* Iced Tea, Ready to Drink
* Instant Cocoa Mix
* Jams & Jellies
* Juice Blends
* Juice Drinks
* Maple Syrups
* Meal Replacements
* Mousse
* No Sugar Added Pies
* Non-Carbonated Diet Soft drinks
* Nutritional Bars
* Powdered Soft Drinks
* Protein Nutritional Drinks
* Pudding
* Soft Candy Chews
* Sugar Free Chocolate Syrup
* Sugar Free Cookies
* Sugar Free Ketchup
* Table Top Sweeteners
* Vegetable Drinks
* Yogurt, Drinkable
* Yogurt, Fat Free
* Yogurt, Sugar Free