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Ontario to add five more breeds to pitbull ban

Colubridz
September 24th, 2007, 01:11 PM
Just crossposting a very alarming message

have permission to cross post and ask you all to do the same. Elections are coming up.....
Also something to think about. The liberals have 5 more breeds tabled to be added to the Bill, These breeds have not gone through yet but they are part of proposed amendments to the bill to include the added breeds.
Dobermans
Mastiffs
Rottweilers
German Shepherds
Akitas






PERSECUTION, ONTARIO-STYLE



by Lori Gray


She was at home with her two young children one afternoon in July when
there was a knock at the door. An ACO officer said he was there to follow up
on a complaint. He did not specify what the complaint was, however later she
found out it was someone in her apartment building complained she owned “pit
bulls”.

This person has 2 dogs. One is 1 ½ years old (a Jack Russell Terrier
mix) and the other is a 4 month old pup she describes as a hound cross. The
hound cross was given to her by another couple who told her they could not
keep the dog and couldn’t think of a better home for him.

The ACO officer asked if he could come in. She then invited him in, not
suspecting any trouble since she had done nothing wrong. Her dogs are and
have been always under her watchful eye, leashed on walks and they play with
all the children who live in the apartment building. Once the ACO officer
was in her apartment he asked her “have you ever heard of the “pit bull”
ban”? She was quite shocked and answered, “yes I have heard of it, but it
doesn’t apply to me or my dogs since I do not own ‘pit bulls’.” The ACO
officer then asked her if he could take some pictures of her dogs. She
agreed, thinking it was for a licensing infraction. He had also asked her if
her dogs were licensed. The woman told me her dogs sat quietly while he
snapped several pictures of them from several different angles. During this
process, the woman’s children were becoming quite nervous and upset with the
ACO officer’s tone. They started to ask if this man was going to take their
dogs and began to cry. The ACO officer then told the children he was not
going to take their dogs and asked the woman to come out to the hall to
speak to him privately.

He told the dog owner out in the hall that "having this breed of dog is
the same as possessing illegal drugs". He handed her his business card and
a blank SPCA card with 'Surrender for Destruction" written on it.

He also gave her three pamphlets: the City Bylaw, the Dog Owners'
Liability Act (DOLA) section on 'Pit Bull' Controls and the entire DOLA.

The dog owner was dumfounded. She didn't understand what was wrong.

He told her the dogs had to be destroyed. He made an appointment to
come back the next day at the same time to collect the dogs if she hadn't
already turned them in. He warned her to be sure the dogs were handed in or
were there when he returned. He cautioned her not to think of moving them
to a nearby town. "If they go anywhere, it has to be out of province".

When he returned the next day to carry out his task, she told him the
dogs were gone.

"What?" was his response "Where are they? Where are the dogs?"

"They're not here. If you have any paperwork, then charge me with
something".

"Where are the dogs?"

"Sorry sir, they're not here"

He tried to get into her apartment to look around.

She told him to come back with a warrant, slammed the door and locked
it.

It took one month for anyone to contact the woman again regarding this
matter. However, several weeks ago, police knocked at her door to formally
charge her with 2 counts of owning a prohibited dog under DOLA.

On August 29, 2005, against significant expert opposition, the Ontario
Liberal government implemented Bill 132 (2005) to amend the existing Dog
Owners' Liability Act. This document attempts to summarize the key changes
to the Act.

§ The law defines a "pit bull" as a pit bull terrier, a
Staffordshire Bull Terrier, an American Staffordshire Terrier, an American
Pit Bull Terrier, or a dog that has an appearance and physical
characteristics that are substantially similar to those dogs. If your dog
appears to be in this category and your dog lived in Ontario on August 29,
2005, or was born in Ontario before November 27, 2005, you own a "restricted
dog". Restricted dogs must be muzzled, leashed, and sterilized. If your
dog appears to be in this category and it was born in Ontario after November
26, 2005, or was brought into Ontario after August 29, 2005, your dog is
illegal. It could be confiscated and destroyed and you could be fined up to
$10,000 and sentenced to up to six months in jail.

I have kept in close contact with this woman. She feels very isolated
and afraid for her dogs' lives, her children’s wellbeing (they have been in
a state of fear since this all began) and is nervous about having been
charged under provincial legislation, which carries a harsh penalty if found
guilty. In further communication with her I've learned of several different
points that have come to light since her initial visit from the ACO.

Apparently, there is a licensing push on at the apartment complex. Bylaw
officers have been visiting the apartment buildings, selling license tags
door-to-door. They are trying to boost licensing compliance, which is at
about 10% across the province.

The dogs in question are mainly white, medium-small dogs which to me
look like pariahs - I have pictures which I don't want to post here. They
could be anything but the Jack Russell mix description fits very well. The
pup is too young at four months to be more than a white, short-haired pup
with a longish snout and some black markings.

I asked if she had any ideas about how the officer happened to be
carrying a camera. She suspects, but can't prove, that the new
superintendents reported all the dog owners to Bylaw enforcement.
Apparently the new superintendents have been hassling people about their
dogs.

She has never had any complaints from anyone about her dogs. They are
well behaved and the older one is very obedient and gets along with
everybody. Immediately following the first visit from the ACO officer ALL
the children who live in the apartment building wrote letters to the officer
telling him how all the kids play with these two dogs. They expressed how
they know and love these dogs and that they would not hurt anyone.

For the dogs’ safety, they were sent to a safe place. They will not
return home until this court case is over. Their lives depend on it and the
woman is not willing to take any chances. The kids miss their dogs, Mum
misses the dogs and you can bet the dogs miss everybody. The woman has
retained a lawyer and her first day in court is next week.

MESSAGE TO ALL ONTARIO DOG OWNERS:

Please remember to VOTE on Oct 10th. Thank Dalton McGuinty for stripping
rights from Ontario dog owners! Thanks for targeting the responsible owners
in your lame attempt to protect the public from dangerous dogs!

I hope Dalton McGuinty realizes dog owners in Ontario have a strong
message for him and his Liberal caucus on Oct 10th. We are sending a message
they cannot ignore. Say NO to the Liberals on Oct 10th!

If you are an Ontario dog owner and your pet could be even remotely
construed to be a 'pit bull' as described in the Ontario Liberals' pet piece
of discriminatory legislation, please take steps to protect your pet.

What this story illustrates is that the message from above is that it's
OK to persecute people based on a subjective belief and that if they are
perceived as easy targets, all the better.

Until the Ontario law is overturned or repealed, please keep your dog
(and yourself) safe from harm.

1. Ensure that your dog is licensed and leashed in public, regardless
of breed. Avoid allowing members of the public to interact directly with
your dog.

2. If you think your dog fits the 'pit bull' physical description, or if
you've licensed your dog as a 'pit bull', American Pit Bull terrier,
American Staffordshire terrier or Staffordshire Bull terrier or cross of
those breeds, follow the leashing, muzzling and neutering restrictions in
the law. Be aware that you are at risk. You may be subject to spot checks
by officials in your area.

3. If your dog is a mongrel of unknown ancestry, license him or her as
a mixed breed - because that is the only possible description.

4. Don't let the authorities bully you or make you feel as if you are
breaking the law. Make them prove their case.

5. Your veterinarian will not divulge any treatment info or details
about your dog to authorities without your consent. It is similar to human
healthcare information - private. Your veterinarian may indicate that a dog
is a patient at the clinic but that's all they will say.

6. If you have not entered your show dog in a sanctioned conformation
event (CKC, UKC, ADBA, AKC) yet this year, don't put it off any longer.
Enter one now or your dog could be confiscated and killed for being intact.

7. If you find yourself in a position similar to the one described in
the story, do not say anything to officials. Do not invite them in to your
home. Do not let them interact with your dog(s) no matter what kind of dog
you own or how nice the ACO’s seem. Tell them that unless they have a
warrant, they cannot enter your premises and then close your door.

Hang tough.

Being a dog owner in Ontario doesn't mean you've given up all of your
constitutional rights, even though it often seems that way.

You are still a citizen of this province.

Oh, and did I mention:



Get out and vote against

the McGuinty Liberals on October 10

Tell your friends.

ancientgirl
September 24th, 2007, 01:18 PM
I don't live in Canada, but that's an incredibly disturbing situation. I can't believe that this woman's dogs were targeted like that.

It's as if they want to do away with any dog you can't stick in a purse.

cpietra16
September 24th, 2007, 01:30 PM
I'm sure if this is not stopped right now it will get worse....they should concentrate on the bad owners period with any breed . What next....dogs that have blonde hair, tri-colored, cats, birds, fish! IF this wasn't so disturbing it would be funny!!!!

ancientgirl
September 24th, 2007, 01:42 PM
This is like racial profiling for animals. I'd be afraid to own any dog for fear that my dog might have some similarities with a banned dog. And what makes me sick is these banned dogs are banned because of people who have soiled their good nature by using them for fighting.

Colubridz
September 24th, 2007, 01:47 PM
I'd just like to urge all Ontario citizens to please write or call your Liberal MP's to let them know you will not be voting for them because of there continued support for breed bans. If you have the time e-mail your local news and let them know you will not be supporting the liberals for the same reasons.

You can contact CTV news via e-mail at:

newsonline@ctv.ca

also you can write them at the following address:

P.O. Box 9, Station 'O,' Scarborough
Ontario, Canada M4A2M9

You can contact CityNews via e-mail at: news@citynews.ca

PHONE: (416) 591-5757
FAX: (416) 593-6397

299 Queen St. West Toronto, Ontario
M5V 2Z5

You can contact Global news: Ontario by e-mail at globalnews.tor@globaltv.com

Tel: (416) 446-5311

81 Barber Greene Road
Toronto, ON M3C 2A2

mastifflover
September 24th, 2007, 02:21 PM
That is such a sad situation. I am a proud owner of a Mastiff and I strongly oppose any breed ban. I do not care it is about the owners not the dog. But we all know that. I am starting to email all my candidates to find there stand on this. I would never have voted for Dalton anyhow he has lied about enough things already.

Love4himies
September 24th, 2007, 02:24 PM
This doesn't surprise me.

IMO, We as are becoming a more and more dictator society with all the additional laws that are being passed and increase in taxes (all three levels of gov't). Where does it all end? When we give all our money to the gov't then they give us some back to live on and dictate to us what we can spend it on, or not give us any money but just give us choices and we pick from thier choices.

mastifflover
September 24th, 2007, 02:46 PM
Well I emailed McGuinty and the village idiot Bryant. When I get a response I will post it for you all to read. I honestly expect either no answer or a lot of double talk. But who knows stranger things have happened and I might get a straight answer. Ha Ha But from the last emails I sent I expect a form letter which says absolutely nothing about what I wrote. Like the last ones we all got from the original emails about breed bans.

clm
September 24th, 2007, 03:21 PM
So who is Lori Gray, the writer of that article....nowhere there did I see anything about it including all those breeds and I find it incredibly hard to believe that they could or would target all those breeds. :shrug:

Sorry, just don't want to get the facts straight first.

Cindy

mastifflover
September 24th, 2007, 03:31 PM
That is why I wrote to the head idiots to find out if it is true. I hope not because I really do not want another ban this one should be removed not added to.

erykah1310
September 24th, 2007, 04:53 PM
I dont know how truthful that is... disturbing YES, but truthful?!?!
I mean it is election time, could be a way to push animal lovers away from Liberal ( although I do not personally know one who would even think of voting for them eejits)

I hope its just a bunch of bull, and I REALLY hope enough of the Ontario animal lovers realize their breed "could be next"
Heck if that passes, there go 3 of my favorite breeds... F it, I will move to Quebec if it does go any further than what it is...
These bans are rediculous.

mastifflover
September 24th, 2007, 06:00 PM
I do not think it is true. I have searched everywhere for something new regarding the ban and nothing. I cannot believe even the liberals are that stupid to bring this issue up at election time. But when I hear it from the horses mouth I will post it.

wdawson
September 24th, 2007, 06:20 PM
something is ODD with this story.......i think its a hoax....seeing as its election time.

erykah1310
September 24th, 2007, 06:38 PM
My theory... lol, get ready

Someone from NDP or Conservatives got the great idea to grab the attention of the "Dobermans,Mastiffs,Rottweilers,German Shepherds and Akitas" owners and scare them into not voting Liberal.
Although the ban is widely known about among us "hard core" animal lovers, it sadly doesnt cross the minds of many pet owners... so add their breeds and BAM you have their attention too.
I just really dont believe the posted warning because seriously, when has Dobies been brought up in the news lately??? Where the heck could that breed have come from. They were the breed of the 80's werent they??

Either way, Liberals dont have my vote or the vote of my immediate family thanks to Nikita! They see how paranoid I am when ever she is mistakenly identified as a "pit bull" they all know i would pack and move in a heart beat to keep her. So they see that it is real.
Thats the problem, non dog owners or ignorant ones just dont understand the real fear and heart break when its YOUR good dog constantly being scruitanized.

:grouphug:to all the "pitbull" people in Ontario who are under the microscope day in and day out.

Bluedrake
September 24th, 2007, 08:17 PM
I doubt this could be true.

Banning German Sheperds and Dobermans? Those two are some of the most popular breeds all around, and they are the top two dog breeds used by police officers. They might as well disband the K-9 units in the army and the police forces.

wdawson
September 24th, 2007, 09:31 PM
there was a story about neville the pit....he got shipped out of ontario when the ban came in.....neville became a bomb\gun sniffing border patrol dog in washington state.....a year later the brought in bsl there....neville is now in another state:rolleyes:

Colubridz
September 25th, 2007, 03:59 AM
The only reason it doesnt strike me as odd is I remember a year ago while reading an article published by the herold ( or whatever hamilitons newspaper is refered to as) and remember reading proposed amedments to the bill which would be voted on later on down the road.

As for the author I am not 100% sure of her sources but with the topic raised I would like to find my liberal and conservative ( as they supported the pitbull ban as well) and ask on their current stance of BSL and if they are considering amendments. I would urge others to do the same, but as for the concept of banning german shepherds, rotts, dobs ridiculous or not going to happen in the future i shudder. It's been done countless times in other countries after the BSL wagon gets rolling theres no reason it wont be the same here eventually without alot of active fighting.

angeldogs
September 25th, 2007, 04:38 AM
Kitcheners BSL is different then the Ontario BSL.I don't know if it's changed now or not.I heard last year about those breads Trying to be put on the BSL list here in Kitchener.

erykah1310
September 25th, 2007, 07:11 AM
Kitchener and Waterloo seem to be the road pavers for BSL.
They have rediculous BSL laws, and have for a while, I was thinking of moving down there when I was younger, you know there are more opportunities there, and well, after talking with my friend who lives in Kitchener, I decided against it mainly due to their ignorance with dogs.

Love4himies
September 25th, 2007, 08:05 AM
Wondering if it is the following clause that may have started the rumour about other breeds besides pit bulls: para (b) can be any breed of dog who may have scared a person enough that they called animal control, especially if it looks like a pit bull :shrug:.

(3) Without limiting the generality of clause (1) (b), it is not desirable in the interests of public safety for a dog to be in a location other than in a pound operated by or on behalf of a municipality, Ontario or a designated body or in a research facility registered under the Animals for Research Act if,

(a) the dog has on one or more occasions bitten or attacked a person or domestic animal;

(b) the dog has on one or more occasions behaved in a manner that poses a menace to the safety of persons or domestic animals;

(c) an owner of the dog has on one or more occasions failed to exercise reasonable precautions to prevent the dog from,

(i) biting or attacking a person or domestic animal, or

(ii) behaving in a manner that poses a menace to the safety of persons or domestic animals;

(d) the dog is a restricted pit bull and an owner of the dog has on one or more occasions failed to comply with one or more of the requirements of this Act or the regulations respecting restricted pit bulls;

(e) the dog is a pit bull other than a restricted pit bull; or

(f) there is reason to believe that the dog may cause harm to a person or domestic animal.

chico2
September 25th, 2007, 08:44 AM
That story,if true,is a horror-story..however I would not put it past Mr Tory to have started such a rumour,is this Canada or China:confused:
I will never vote Liberal again,my stomache turns every time I see Michael Bryant on TV:evil:
I still have a clear memory of Mulroney,Harris and their crooks,so Mr Tory is out:evil:
Who to vote for:confused:Green party:confused:

mastifflover
September 25th, 2007, 09:32 AM
Correct me if I am worong but I think we had more support from the NDP then any of the other politicians. Well the only good candidate in my riding is NDP so that is the way I am going. She is a dog lover and opposed the ban. She has had a rough past but has shown you can rise above being a street kid doing drugs which she openly admits. I like honesty, which is rare in a politician.

chico2
September 25th, 2007, 05:17 PM
I actually love our Liberal candidate here in Oakville(Kevin Flynn)but I had to tell him,I cannot vote for him this time.
The dog-issue aside,McGuintys added health-tax,takes a big chunk out of our retirement income,we are fortunate we are relatively well off,well,not well off,but we are ok,but I know of others who are not.

Schwinn
September 26th, 2007, 10:52 PM
That story,if true,is a horror-story..however I would not put it past Mr Tory to have started such a rumour,is this Canada or China:confused:

And what is your basis for that? You and I are definitely on different points of the political spectrum, but I have a great deal of respect for you, Chico. Maybe that's why this disappoints me so much. There has never been a question of his integrity, and those who have worked for him, from the executive level right down to the "grunts" have respect for him, and refer to him as a stand up guy, whether they agree with his politics or not. When he ran for Mayor of Toronto, when Nunziata accused him of bribery, he was admired for his honesty and integrity during the investigation (which found Nunziata to actually be in the wrong, trying to give his own campaign a boost).

Heck, considering how easy of a target McGuinty is, he has run, so far a fairly clean campaign. I understand your hatred of all things Conservative, but comments like that takes away from your credibility. I've stated before how much I hate Bryant, and (half-jokingly) threatened divorce if Mrs. Schwinn voted Liberal, but at the same time, I've (grudgingly) admitted when they've had good ideas.
I will never vote Liberal again,my stomache turns every time I see Michael Bryant on TV:evil:
I still have a clear memory of Mulroney,Harris and their crooks,so Mr Tory is out:evil:
Who to vote for:confused:Green party:confused:

How's your memory of Bill Davis, the Conservative on the left? The one who introduced rent control? John Tory has been compared with him, almost the anti-Harris (probably no coincedence, since he served under Davis). He's being called a "Red Tory" and is said to be "left of the Liberals" on a lot of issues.

Don't get me wrong. I don't expect you to vote for him, nor am I an apologist for him or the Conservatives. But your criticisms are a little disingenuous. And for what it's worth, I've called people out for unfair criticisms of McGuinty's Liberals and the NDP. I also don't consider myself aligned with any party, as I've voted for several different parties in the past (different elections, of course).

And stepping of my soapbox...I do question the validity of the article as well, but I don't think the issue is, unfortunatly, important enough to enough people for ANY party to issue it. I think it might be someone who is involved with the whole BSL thing. Which is unfortunate, because it reflects badly on all of us fighting the good fight.

Schwinn
September 26th, 2007, 10:57 PM
As for the author I am not 100% sure of her sources but with the topic raised I would like to find my liberal and conservative ( as they supported the pitbull ban as well) and ask on their current stance of BSL and if they are considering amendments.

Only one person who wasn't a Liberal voted in favour, and it was by accident (however that happens). He was a Conservative, and right after the vote, asked that his vote be changed as it was recorded wrong. It was disallowed by the Liberals, and forced to stand. I don't have time to find the link, but it's in the BSL forum somewhere. It's part of the Hansard of the vote. I remember reading it.

Julia Munro, the local MPP for my riding, put forth an alternative bill which included many recommendations from the Courtney Tremp inquest, but it was voted down by the Fibs, natch. It did receive full support from the other two parties.

angeldogs
September 27th, 2007, 03:30 AM
Kitchener and Waterloo seem to be the road pavers for BSL.
They have rediculous BSL laws, and have for a while, I was thinking of moving down there when I was younger, you know there are more opportunities there, and well, after talking with my friend who lives in Kitchener, I decided against it mainly due to their ignorance with dogs.
From my understanding they also have it.If a certain number of bites comes from 1 bred.they can say the breed is a danger and ban that breed.

chico2
September 27th, 2007, 08:10 AM
Schwinn,to be honest with you,I am politically burnt out,Tory,McGuinty,in my view one is as bad as the other,on different levels.
Mr Tory,might be an upstanding man,but has yet to come up with anything other than critics of the Liberals and his wish to take money out of Public Education for faith-based schools.
I also believe BSL is here to stay,no matter who is in power,our 100yr old Animal-Cruelty laws are also not going to improve,as you say it's just not important to any politician.
Mr Hampton,is in la-la land,if he kept his promises and was elected,Ontario would be bankrupt:D
You are a young father of 2 beautiful babies,we are retired,our interests and views are bound to differ..

Love4himies
September 27th, 2007, 09:51 AM
We all have our own personal political opinions and one advantage of this country is we can express them without fear.

I feel like Chico, and don't trust any, they will say what ever it takes to get into power, then they recant for what ever reason. I call that lying, period, if you made a promise you keep it even if it means doing a lot of shuffling to make it work. If that was any of us that lied to get a job, we would be fired. The longer I live the lower my trust in politicians. Also, have to consider the promises that candidates make, like chico said, some would bankrupt the province. I pay very high taxes, worked extremely hard to get where I am today and I just give my money to the gov't and don't have too much left to enjoy life. Why bother working? I am sick of paying for those social benefits for those who do not wish to work (not those who can't work) or who choose not to better themselves to get ahead.

Bob Runciman who is my PC riding candidate is going to push for increase in penalities for animal cruelty. If PC does get in power, there is a higher chance to have it made law. I don't get that doggie loving feeling off of McGuinty and if he was doggie educated, he would not have banned Pit Bulls, but had owners pay the price for the actions of their dogs, not the dogs. I do believe that the way a person treats an animal is a reflection of that person's heart. Does McGuinty have one?

badger
September 27th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Ontario politics is a damn sight more interesting right now than here in Quebec, and that must be a first. Personally, I don't see much difference between Conservatives and Liberals anywhere in the country. They are all floundering.
On the basis of his promise to fund faith-based schools, Tory would never get a vote out of me, however upstanding he is. Pure pandering. Of course all politicians suck up to special interest groups where required, but he takes the prize. Leaving aside the money, it is a very dangerous idea. Newfoundland, de-funded religious schools a few years ago, yes it was messy but they needed to do it. Ontario should do the same with the Catholics.
And we should be POURING money into public schools.
Personally, if I was young and had children, I'd home school, no question.
And I agree with Chico, the welfare of animals is waaaay down their lists, if it is there at all. Just another special interest group to the pols.
How quickly power corrupts.

TMac
September 27th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Just crossposting a very alarming message

have permission to cross post and ask you all to do the same. Elections are coming up.....
Also something to think about. The liberals have 5 more breeds tabled to be added to the Bill, These breeds have not gone through yet but they are part of proposed amendments to the bill to include the added breeds.
Dobermans
Mastiffs
Rottweilers
German Shepherds
Akitas


Colubridz, can you find us a reference for this?????? I agree its hard to fathom.

Hogansma
October 2nd, 2007, 12:58 AM
Thank God I live in BC!

Schwinn
October 4th, 2007, 10:38 PM
Schwinn,to be honest with you,I am politically burnt out,Tory,McGuinty,in my view one is as bad as the other,on different levels.
Mr Tory,might be an upstanding man,but has yet to come up with anything other than critics of the Liberals and his wish to take money out of Public Education for faith-based schools.
I also believe BSL is here to stay,no matter who is in power,our 100yr old Animal-Cruelty laws are also not going to improve,as you say it's just not important to any politician.
Mr Hampton,is in la-la land,if he kept his promises and was elected,Ontario would be bankrupt:D
You are a young father of 2 beautiful babies,we are retired,our interests and views are bound to differ..

Politically, I'm afraid, you and I will probably never agree...but that's okay, I love you anyway:D

I don't have a problem with differing views. I welcome them. I enjoy (and miss) the debates that used to go on around here. What I find frustrating, however, are when arguements are made that aren't factual. I remember once defending the Fibs for the sole reason that someone was stating something to put them down that wasn't based on fact (that last statement really pains me, by the way!)

I'd love to see more discussion, but I'm hoping it doesn't go the way of the debate during the federal election (I remember someone made the stupid statement that they were afraid the Conservatives would take away women's right to vote). All I'm saying is, base your decisions and opinions on facts, not headlines.

It's like discussing pitbulls. Someone tells me they don't like them, and they think they should be banned because they are so strong, I can work with that. Heck, I can respect that (to an extent). Then when someone like my father makes a moron statement that Daisy (now 7) will someday turn and attack everyone, because "that's what they do"...that really gets under my skin.

All that being said? I think government would run a lot better without politicians. Mrs. Schwinn mentioned the other day she's surprised I didn't get involved with politics. I told her I was interested, then when I started following local politics, I didn't want to be involved with those bunch of insincere goofballs, and watching CPAC didn't change my mind on a federal or provincial level. It's often said people get involved in politics because they want to make a difference. I think that's true for the back benchers, but once you get in a position of power, at the end of the day, your number one priority is getting more power and then keeping it.

Love4himies
October 5th, 2007, 07:28 AM
It's often said people get involved in politics because they want to make a difference. I think that's true for the back benchers, but once you get in a position of power, at the end of the day, your number one priority is getting more power and then keeping it.

Ohh so true, my view exactly!

LL1
October 5th, 2007, 09:02 AM
Colubridz, can you find us a reference for this?????? I agree its hard to fathom.

Doubt it,others have asked and nothing has been shown.Lori Gray,the author of this and other similar nonsense, does get special mention on the site of a Conservative. Big shock.

http://www.jimwilsonmpp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=100&Itemid=32

bendyfoot
October 5th, 2007, 11:58 AM
I sure hope this isn't true. I can't IMAGINE having to make Jaida (GSD) wear a muzzle out in public. I challenge ANYone to convince ANYone that she's a dangerous dog. I hate these stupid BSL/bans...what idiocy.

Any proof to support/refute this claim would be appreciated. Not that it's going to change my vote next week (I already know the Liberals are numbskulls). Grrr...

Love4himies
October 5th, 2007, 01:52 PM
I sure hope this isn't true. I can't IMAGINE having to make Jaida (GSD) wear a muzzle out in public. I challenge ANYone to convince ANYone that she's a dangerous dog. I hate these stupid BSL/bans...what idiocy.

Any proof to support/refute this claim would be appreciated. Not that it's going to change my vote next week (I already know the Liberals are numbskulls). Grrr...


The problem with breed bans it doesn't take into consideration individual dogs, but a few who have had bad owners. This is no different than banning all Muslems because..., or all Jewish people because ... It is racism in dogs plain and simple!

satchelp
October 6th, 2007, 02:13 PM
Doubt it,others have asked and nothing has been shown.Lori Gray,the author of this and other similar nonsense, does get special mention on the site of a Conservative. Big shock.

http://www.jimwilsonmpp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=100&Itemid=32

It was Colubridz that wrote the part about the 5 other breeds, not Lori Gray. The story underneath is from Lori Gray, but has nothing to do with the banning of 5 more breeds.

Maybe Colubridz can shed light on where they got this info.