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puppypwr
September 7th, 2007, 10:37 PM
My ten year old Siberian Husky has been having nose bleeds from his right nostril for a few weeks off and on. We took him in to the vet at the beginning and the ex-rays didn't reveal anything suspicious, and the blood work didn't show an elevation suggesting an infection, and we got antibiotics.

We thought they were slowly getting better. Well, a week later he had a bad bleed. The were some pools of blood on the carpet, splattering all over the flood and wall, and mixed in were several blood clots. I rushed him to the vet, and they did another ex-ray and blood work, nothing. But, our vet gave us a different antibiotic, and a steroid for inflammation. She thought he possibly sniffed something up and it got stuck in his nose. We went 11 days, and this Thursday he had two small nose bleeds.

Our vet is at a loss. He has no other obvious systems, heís eating normally, happy, thrilled when someone comes over to visit, and still a great temperament with our kids.

Any ideas, or anyone else go through this????

mummummum
September 8th, 2007, 11:06 AM
If he has a sticker from a foxtail or a burr up his nose it may take a looooong time to work it's way out and may even require surgical removal.

My homeopathic reference indicates Silicon Dioxide (Silicea 6C) can be tried but you had best discuss it's use with your Vet and a homeopath.

puppypwr
September 10th, 2007, 10:53 PM
Thanks,
I will talk to my vet about this, hopefully my pup will feel better soon.:pray:

Dr Lee
September 11th, 2007, 01:19 AM
Did the blood work include an Activated Clotting Time (ACT) or other clotting profiles?

Causes of Nasal Bleeding
Sinus
Foreign bodies - such as foxtails, often with secondary infections
Fungal Infections
Tumors
Benign masses such as polyps
Bleeding disorders
Liver disease
Low platelets
Platelet dysfunction
Rodenticide poisoning
Other coagulation diseases

Common Diagnostics
General blood and urine testing
X-Rays (radiographs)
Coagulation blood tests
Fungal Blood Tests
Rhinoscopy and possible biopsy.


Hope that helps!:pawprint:

puppypwr
September 21st, 2007, 10:25 PM
I just wanted to post an update on our pup. I was convinced that my boy had sniffed up some rabbit poop heís been obsessing about in our backyard, but it still bothered me that his nose was still dripping very small amounts of blood. I called my vet again, and she suggested taking him to the referral center in the next town.
This week they did a 3-D x-ray (this just x-rays the upper part of his mouth), a nose flush (to help remove any possible foreign bodies), and a Rhinoscopy with a biopsy. Well, today we got the horrible gut wrenching news, cancer. I will try to spell the name of the cancer, adenosqamous carcinoma.
Has anyone else had a dog with this cancer? I want to know all I can about this monster, and has anyone beaten this after it has past the beginning stages?

Also thank you Dr. Lee and mummummum for your input, it means alot.

Love4himies
September 21st, 2007, 10:35 PM
I have had a cat who had sinus cancer. Have you talked to your vet about the prognosis? Sadly he did not survive it, think it started in his kidneys though so he had other problems before the sinus cancer.

puppypwr
September 22nd, 2007, 11:24 PM
The vet that did the probe said that heís got about three months untreated, and with radiation we would have about 8 months. There would be a great chance with where the tumor is located in the nose that the radiation would cause a type of sunburn on the roof of his mouth, and he could then not want to eat from the pain, and end up with a feeding tube during this.
If that wasnít bad enough we would have to travel over 200 miles each way to get to the radiation. My Yukon gets beyond stressed traveling(, he can barely make it the fifteen minutes to the referral center). If we opted to leave him there for the duration of the treatment to avoid the daily stress, he might not make it, he has major separation issues from me. He chewed through a metal kennel when we tried to board him, and broke off all his canines, and after his biopsy he chewed off his IV. Heís gonna lose no matter what we do.

hazelrunpack
September 23rd, 2007, 12:46 AM
I'm sorry you're having to go through this, puppypwr. :grouphug: These decisions are always heartwrenching.

You have to look at quality of life, not just quantity. Sometimes it just comes down to making your buddy as comfortable as possible. It just doesn't feel fair, though... :sad:

We also had a dog with nasal cancer. She was an indomitable springer spaniel--a lovable, feisty girl. :o There was a vague mass spotted on an xray in a spot inconvenient for removal or even biopsy, so we never did get a definite diagnosis. Gradually, the nose bleeds got more frequent and Priscilla eventually succumbed quickly to a massive bleed out when the tumor evidently burst.

:sorry:...it sounds so grim. :grouphug: But the good news is that it didn't seem to cause her pain. She passed very peacefully--on her own terms, under her favorite bushes, while we were waiting for the vet to make the house call to have her put to sleep. Because we had been told that she wouldn't bleed out through the nose, it was traumatic for us--but for Priscilla, it seemed quite easy and painless.

Whatever you decide to do for treatment, loving up Yukon is always the best option. Enjoy your time together and build sweet memories. May you have many happy months left together! :grouphug:

TeriM
September 23rd, 2007, 03:42 AM
I'm so sorry :sad:. Good luck with your decision and big hugs to you all at such a difficult time.

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Love4himies
September 23rd, 2007, 06:11 AM
So sorry to hear that it was not the news you would have liked. :grouphug:.

Hazelrunpack is right, look at the quality of life, not quantity, and listen to your dog when he tells you it is time.

daisygirl
September 24th, 2007, 12:22 AM
I'm so sorry to hear about your dog having nasal cancer. My dog of 14 yrs passed away from this and it was extremely heartbreaking and devestating. He got so bad that both nostrils were clogged and I had to keep his mouth open by holding his jowles out so he could breathe. to add to this - he also had congestive heart disease and diabetes. You talk about a rough ride fro this little fella- but we were there for him all the way and he never gave up- all the way to the end. he was a brave little trooper and died in my arms.

PLEASE...if anyone here has an animal who bleeds from his/ her nose- please go directly to the vet and have them check for nasal cancer- our vet told us it was a peice of acorn that he had sniffed - boy was he wrong- and it cost my baby his life. Do not take the word of your vet- when my dog first was having diabetic problems- we took him to our vet and he told us it was seizures- thank goodness I had a bad feeling and went for a second opinion- it did come out as diabetes and it only took a 29 cent pee-strip to prove it.

always get second opionions as though you were seeing yoru own doctor. It may be a matter of life or death for your family member.

My dog was a cocker spaniel and he was my little angel.

I hope you find the strength to carry on after your baby crosses the rainbow bridge.

puppypwr
October 22nd, 2007, 12:05 PM
I just wanted to send an update.
Our Pup's condition had slowly gotten worse, and his nose was dripping blood everyday. The weekend before last his breathing had started to become heavier, and this past Wednesday he had a bad bleed.
We came to the hard decision that we just could not put him through this anymore. That evening we took him to the vet, and held him tight until after he took his last breath.

Nose cancer is a very cruel and fast cancer. If your puppy has any unexplained nose bleeds I urge you to have a 3D x-ray done, they are much better for seeing in the nose, and a Rhinoscopy with a biopsy. This might not give you the results you want, but it might give your puppy a chance.

Yukon Ice
June 1997 - October 2007

Winston
October 22nd, 2007, 01:07 PM
Run free little one! :rip:
Yukon Ice

My heart goes out to you!

Cindy

ladybug
November 25th, 2007, 10:20 PM
Hi puppypwr, i just had to respond to you. i no exactly what your going through. I had a 4 yr. old female rottie, one day her nose started to bleed, then it went away for about a month. then it came back so my husband took her to the vet, and he went in looking for a foxtail or foreign object, which nothing was to be found, he put some kind of medicine in her nose, and the bleeding stopped for a couple of weeks. then it returned and i called the vet and he told us she would have to go in for a biopsy through the nose. so we went to the specialist and that day that we took her in she was bleeding so bad, could not get the nose bleed to stop at all. the dr. did the biopsy 2 days later we got the bad news that she had squamous carcinoma. we where devasted, and so upset. we where sent to the cancer dr. and where told the exact samething as you where told. but she was having such a problem breathing and sleeping. we put her on the pills for pain from cancer but that did not stop the bleeding. about a month after we could not take it anymore. she was suffering you could see it in her beautiful face. we had to let her go back home, and be free of pain and suffering. this happened 3 yrs. ago this past oct. the pain of course still hurts. me and my husband still talk about our little girl.her name was byonka. i still have her mom and brother. just had to let you no i understand what your going through. its very tuff. but i do no she is waiting for me on the other side and free of any pain and suffering. you take care.

KiChien
January 18th, 2008, 01:49 AM
Hi all, I have been searching the internet for answers to my dogs problem. When I read this thread I started to cry. I think my dog has the same problem, but by the sounds of what you are all describing, I fear the worse for my poor dog.
She is a 12yr old Cross Yorkie/Maltese.
She started sneezing a lot every morning about 6-8months ago,no blood just a lot of sneezing.
About 3-4 months ago I came home to a blood bath, it looked as though my 2 dogs had torn each other apart. Blood on the walls, furniture splatters etc just as you all described. I couldnt figure out where it came from until a month later when I saw her sneeze up blood, splattering it all over. I called the vet and they said it was probably a reaction to a nasal vacine that she had recieved recently.
From then it would happend periodically, the bleeding would start and then stop. this was alarming but according to my vet was nothing to worry about.
This last weekend was the worse. I came home to the biggest blood bath you can imagine, on the walls, bed, couch and all over the dog. I immedidately called my vet and he said just put an icepack and bring her in on monday. Well it happened again that evening and 2 more times before monday. then again on monday morning before I took her to the vet.
The vet did the blood tests and all was normal except for the high calcium count which I knew about from previous tests.
He gave her a vitamin K shot and said it should help the clotting. well it didn't, that evening the same thing,and each time it would a worse spill and take longer to stop.
Today I came in to find my bed looking like someone had given birth on it. There was so much blood. I called the vet and he has scheduled a nasal scope for tomorow, its still bleeding on and off now. I asked him if she could bleed out from the nose, and he said no. From the quantity of blood that comes out I tend to disagree.
I think she will be ok for the evening I hope.
However from reading all your posts, I am feeling very dispondent about her chances? Is it allways cancer?
Has anyone here been thru this condition and actually managed to save thier dog?
I suppose I am hoping that I am that one case that gets to keep his dog?

Its breaking my heart to read how you all had to stand by and watch your beloved pet pass. Each time I get to the part where puppypwr states "That evening we took him to the vet, and held him tight until after he took his last breath.
" I just cant read on, I have to stand up and walk away or I will just cry all night. I'm a grown man and I feel like I am loosing my child!

I just hope and pray that she will not bleed any more tonite and that the scope tomorow morning will be against all odds and tell me that there is just a bug stuck up there.

thanks for listening and if you have any advice I would greatly appreciate it. especially tips on how to stop the bleeding.

Regards

Loosing my baby

wendyfromiowa
January 19th, 2008, 06:54 PM
I'm a grown man and I feel like I am loosing my child!

I just hope and pray that she will not bleed any more tonite and that the scope tomorow morning will be against all odds and tell me that there is just a bug stuck up there.



KiChien I don't have any suggestions for you but this is so sad. You are so right though; our pets are our babies.
Please let us know what you find out from the scope.
Hoping for the best outcome

puppypwr
January 20th, 2008, 12:02 AM
KiChien,
Your story sounds painfully familiar. I do hope that your story will end very differently than ours did. Please let us know how the scope turns out.

I want you to know that you are in our prayers.
We wish you the best.

Yukon's Mom and Dad

:candle:

KiChien
January 20th, 2008, 07:24 AM
Thanks for your thoughts and prayers. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate this group.
I have posted an update on another thread, not sure if you guys have seen it, It was called "she has nose bleed like pupyvr" , I thought I was on the wrong thread, excuse me for being a newbie too, dont really know the site that well yet either.

Anyway, today shes actually doing really well.
It seems somehow the scope help stop the bleeding for now at least.

As soon as I get the results I will send out notification. I really want other people to learn about these things. I would also like to find out exactly how a dog actually gets these kinds of sicknesses? I had never heard of things like this till I have to deal with it.

Did anyone get an explaination from thier vet, where it came from? is it genetic? or something they could have eaten? or perhaps lead in thier toys?

Just searching for answers, because I cannot imagine what our pets have done to deserve being sick this way?

Puppypwr, did you ever get another dog? I think this one will be my last, I can't deal with the heart ache, and cannot imagine trying to replace her if she dies. I do have one other dog, but I am just looking after it for my mom while she is away for a year, but other than that I just dont want to have the heartache of lossing another pet.

Regards

Kichien

puppypwr
January 20th, 2008, 10:49 AM
KiChien,
No we have not gotten another dog yet. Right now we still have one of our cats (her sister died last year just before Yukon), and our 12 year-old husky Tundra. He has liver cancer, so we are hoping to have as much time with him as possible. As for our other cat, she will be fifteen this year, so I know our time will be limited with her as well.
I know some people must think that with all the death that will be in our family that we would be completely done with animals. It is a devastating loss, and with two small children in our house why would we even think it.
But KiChien, I can't imagine not having our house without a dog or cat. It seems like something is missing without our Yukon and Sweetpea. Our children are also learning so much with our animals, unconditional love, patience, gratitute, and so much more.
Fifteen years ago I loss my childhood cat to old age, and it was so hard. I didn't want another cat to replace her, she was amazing, perfect. The next day my husband went to the animal shelter, and asked me to just look at the one of the two kittens there. I just went to look for him, and ended up in love with both.
We do plan on getting another dog when the vet bills for Yukon are paid for, not to replace our boy, but to Honor him, and share our love for another dog who will need it as much as he did.
I hope this helps a little, and spoil your girl as much as your can.
Take care,
Yukon's Mom

KiChien
January 31st, 2008, 01:20 AM
Hi All,

I am just posting a duplicate here this here for record purposes, and to let Puppypwr know directly. Thanks for your posts puppypwr, unfortunately our stories seem to be almost identical so far. I just hope mine is a little happier for a little longer.......
....................................
Well I finally got the results last week, and it was not what I wanted to hear at all. I really hoped she could be that one in a million that was just a blockage.
Its Cancer "adenosqamous carcinoma" exactly the same as puppypwr had! I was really devasted when I was told by my vet, even though I was preparing myself for it, it was still a shock.
The only option for treatment is radiation and to quote "puppypwr"

"heís got about three months untreated, and with radiation we would have about 8 months. There would be a great chance with where the tumor is located in the nose that the radiation would cause a type of sunburn on the roof of his mouth, and he could then not want to eat from the pain, and end up with a feeding tube during this.
If that wasnít bad enough we would have to travel over 200 miles each way to get to the radiation."

I got the same story as she did. Its like I read this story by her and ended up living it.
Anyway the "good news" if you can call it that, is that she is not bleeding for now, nor since the rhinoscopy. Only a tiny little bit of blood came out once, when she sneezed, but that was it. and its been almost 2 weeks now.

I am not sure if its the drugs I have her on now or a higher power, but its helping for now. She's on Painkillers 2x per day "tramadol" and "metacam" for the inflamation. both are non steroidal, and the vet says they could be helping.
I am just happy that she is stable for now and pray that she can last more than just a few months. Other than knowing what is looming over her, she is 100% normal, eating, chasing other dogs, barking etc. I actually had to give her a sedative for fear of her getting overly excited and starting the bleeding up again.

Other than that I am just enjoying the time with her for now, and treating every meal as though it was her last. I have taken her off, all artificial treats, and only giving organic and natural treats for fear that other things may inhibit recovery.

And thats about it for now. I will give an update now and them just to let you all know how she's doing, and I would like to thank everyone again for their support.

Regards

Kichien

Love4himies
January 31st, 2008, 07:25 AM
So sorry to hear about your dog, cancer is such a terrible disease. Please keep us updated.:grouphug:

anskygyrl
February 11th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Hi everyone,

I've been reading all of the posts and my 9 yr old golden Hunter is going through the same thing, he has been getting nose bleeds for the past week now and last night was a really bad one. He was already diagnosed with stomach and liver cancer and I'm guessing it's now in his nose. he also lost his vision the other day and started walking into walls. I am having an extremly hard time deciding what to do. He lays around all day and only gets up to eat, everyone I've talked to said I would know when its time but I don't. I feel like he still has life in him and he is still wagging his tail when you call him and ask him if he wants a treat. but at the same time I don't want to be in pain. is there anyone who went through is also that could give me some advise?

thanks,
Alaina

Love4himies
February 12th, 2008, 07:20 AM
You will know when it is time. When his bad days out number his good days, and when he no longer gets any enjoyment out of life.

One of my cats died of cancer and I desperately tried to save his life. Sadly that lead to me putting him down a couple of weeks too late. Your vet should also be able to advise you on the timing.

KiChien
February 13th, 2008, 02:29 AM
anskygyrl,

As you have seen by these posts, we have all been thru some similar things. When I first read the nose bleed post by pupppwr I could see the exact same symptoms in my dog.
I think you need to get the vet to look inside his nose to see if there is something up there. If it is bleeding from one side only, then definately it could be a similar case. I have been told that this cancer is more common in the larger breeds.
I would not want my dog to be in any pain whatsoever. I also would not want to put her down if she still could get over it and have a little longer to live.
I had the Rhinoscopy done and a biopsy of what was there, it cost about $1k. But I think having that done actually helped her a little, because since then she has not had a nose bleed, namely because I have her on an anti-inflamatory and painkillers every day. SOmehow I think this is helping.

Prior to the Nose bleed issue I was told that she had a tumour in her parathyroid, and spent $5K on that operation to find absolutely nothing there.
The nose bleeds then started after that operation and progressivley became worse as you no doubt have read the other posts here.

If this is a similar pattern with you, i highly reccomend going for the second opinion and see if its the nose.

PS, my dog is also loosing her sight, but i think thats due to cattaracs, don't know if its related to the cancer.

Hope this helps.

Regards

KIchien

A Golden Life
February 23rd, 2008, 04:04 PM
Just wanted to thank evryone for these posts. It helped with Hunter when the time came last week to put him down ( I am anskygyrl's mom) Last Tuesday, he began vomiting blood and you could see was in pain. We had a 10 year old golden, Lucy, who also went through liver cancer 3 years ago. She did not have the nosebleeds, but had fluid around her heart. Our little 2 year old golden, Laci, is missing Hunter and keeps looking for him everywhere. I am afraid that maybe it was the Nutro diet that brought this on? Lucy and Hunter were not related, yet suffered almost identical disease. I want to do all I can to be sure that this does not happen to her.
Denise..
Mom to Laci and 4 people kids

Hi everyone,

I've been reading all of the posts and my 9 yr old golden Hunter is going through the same thing, he has been getting nose bleeds for the past week now and last night was a really bad one. He was already diagnosed with stomach and liver cancer and I'm guessing it's now in his nose. he also lost his vision the other day and started walking into walls. I am having an extremly hard time deciding what to do. He lays around all day and only gets up to eat, everyone I've talked to said I would know when its time but I don't. I feel like he still has life in him and he is still wagging his tail when you call him and ask him if he wants a treat. but at the same time I don't want to be in pain. is there anyone who went through is also that could give me some advise?

thanks,
Alaina

HunNica
February 25th, 2008, 09:06 AM
Hi everyone, my Vizsla:pawprint: has a malignant tumor that started in her mouth and has progressed to her nose. The cancer is eating away at her nose bone and, similar to the other posts, my dog started out sneezing a lot and today she sneezed out a good amount of blood.

After reading the posts, it seems it's only going to get dramatically worse from here. My fear is being selfish. I don't want to keep her here longer just so I can have her with me when it might be better to put her to rest, but I also don't want to put her to sleep when she's still eating and drinking and wagging her tail.

I think the cancer is also affecting her hearing, but she seems to still see fine. She's 13 years old, but besides the tumor, she's in great shape.

I would hate to come home to pools of blood and/or witness her bleeding from the nostril. Can someone tell me how quickly to expect the symptoms to worsen or give me advice on how long it too long to wait until it's time? :shrug:

Thanks!:cry:

hazelrunpack
February 25th, 2008, 09:50 AM
I'm sorry your introduction to the board is under such sad circumstances, HunNica. :grouphug:

Unfortunately, all dogs and all cancers progress differently so it's hard to make predictions. However, with our Priscilla, the nose bleeds became gradually more frequent and more severe. We knew we were nearing the end the day she died--we'd made an appointment that evening to have her put to sleep. Priscilla just took matter into her own paws...

Priscilla's cancer never spread out of the nasal passages, though, as is the case in your dog, so I'm not sure if you'll see the same pattern or not.

Follow your heart and take it day by day. When waiting will give you time, but bring your girl no joy, you'll know it's time. It's a hard decision to make, but whatever you decide and whenever you decide it, if you make your decision out of love, your Vizsla will never fault you for it. :grouphug:

Good luck, HunNica. Most of the members here can relate to what you're going through--the board is very supportive. Please keep us posted on how things go. We're here if you need to talk or rant or just need a hug.

tjated
March 1st, 2008, 05:16 PM
I just wanted to thank everyone who has posted to this thread. In some way you have shared a bit about you and your special friend that helps others. After reading, I find I am too watching my 13 year old dachshund begin to be hard of hearing, and now is experiencing nose bleeds.

Thoughts and prayers for all.

hazelrunpack
March 1st, 2008, 11:48 PM
Hi, tjated. Welcome to the board. :grouphug:

Have you had a vet check out Gus's nosebleeds? Sometimes it is just a grass awn or some other irritant. :fingerscr

:grouphug:s to you and Gus.

KiChien
March 7th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Hi all,

I wanted to give an update on my little baby. I will keep this brief, as It makes me cry everytime that I think of her.
I gave her a bath 2 sunday's ago, thinking that she needed a good haircut and bath now that she was a little stable. While I was doing it I thought to myself, wow at least she

will be nice a clean if she had to pass sometime. And Loan behold, 3 hrs later I had a nose bleed on my hands very short one so not too bad. it was not due to the bath as

there was no water near the nose.
Anyway what happened next was unexpected. Her nose and upper eyes got swollen to the point that she looked like a different dog. I rushed her to my vet first thing in the

morning, and was told it could be a spider bite or its the tumour moving up into the eye area. He was concerned with the Biopsy hole scar more than the swelling, and said if

the swelling goes down(after a major shot of anti-inflamatory that he gave) she should be fine.
The swelling did subside above the eye area, and 50% over the nose, giving me hope that she would be fine.
On thursday last week she started to bleed from the biopsy hole on her nose bridge. Not too much blood but enough to alarm me. I stayed up all night and morning, on and off

with her, hearing some gasps for air. but nothing too bad other than trickle of blood from the top.
On friday morning she sneezed a little more blood, the bridge wound had clotted some, but when I looked into her eyes I saw pain and knew I had to make a decision.
I called my vet and he said, If I keep her around its a matter of days as the tumour is now trying to push thru the upper caverns and out. If I hang onto her it may explode and

more suffering would come. And If i keep her going to wait something worse to come, it would selfish.
...I made the decision then and there, that I had to save her the pain to come. It was the hardest decision I have ever made in my life. Grappling with the fact that when you

looked passed the bridge of her nose at the wagging tail, and the sprinting!! on the beach the same day, from this baby, to have her put down? I am full of guilt and remorse

right now, even though i know I saved her the pain. Nothing could have prepared me for this feeling. Not even the death of my father and brother felt this way. She was my

companion and friend for 12yrs, she never asked for anything but food, walks, love and place to sleep. And she gave me unconditional love and attention for this cheap price.
I know it was the right decision, but it still hurts. Maybe by taking her early, I have now taken the pain of her tumor into my heart, which is ok.

Anyway, I said this wouldnt be long but here it is. I will try to post a more possitive note later on, and forgive me for letting loose, Its the only way I can try feel

better.
I am 90% sure I did the best thing and 10% guilty now. and 120% sad.


For HunNica,
All I can say is that no matter what you do, no matter what you hear, you will know in your heart the right time. THe thing is if your pet is in pain and you know for a fact

that there is more to come for sure, then you will see it by looking into your pets eyes.

Best Regards to All

In memorium for Chien Chien taken from my world on 29 February 2008 at 5:15pm.

luckypenny
March 7th, 2008, 01:37 AM
:sad: I'm so very sorry for the loss of your little girl and for your pain KiChien. You were very brave for putting her needs ahead of yourself :grouphug: . Take comfort in knowing she felt your love and compassion during the life she spent with you, and when it was most important.

RIP Chien Chien :candle:

hazelrunpack
March 7th, 2008, 09:38 AM
I'm so sorry, KiChien :grouphug: You know she loved you as much as you loved her, and she knows your decision was made from love. Don't feel guilty--you did what your heart told you was best, and your heart is the best judge in these matters.

Chien Chien looks like such a happy little dog! 12 years is a long time--that's a lot of love; that's a very strong bond. She's running free now, playing and waiting for you.

:candle: Chien Chien

4Zen
March 13th, 2008, 01:43 AM
Hello everyone. I just want to send my condolences to those who lost their beloved furry friends. I found this post in a search for some answers to what could be going on with my furry baby, Zen. He is a yellow lab and shepard mix, who has been experiencing similar symptoms and is under the care of his Veterinarian. Currently, he is taking 500mg of Cephalexin every 8 hours for 10 days.

I too was alarmed when I came home one day to find blood on the bridge of his nose and paw. I thought that the cat may have accidently scratched him while playing (they stick together like glue). Then I began noticing blood on the walls, floor and his dog bed. I also noticed that he sounded very congested and lost most of his appetite (not a characteristic of Zen). He sneezed on Sunday evening and there was a large amount of dark and clotty blood. First thing monday morning, I called and brought him to the vet. The vet warned me of the possibility that it could be a tumor, due to his age and the fact that he has lost a good amount of weight. He also gave me a glimmer of hope, when he stated that it could be a very bad bacterial infection.

The vet performed a saline nasal flush, as he was trying to get a culture for a cytology. He also stated that he was unable to get anything, but gave me slides to take home (incase Zen started bleeding at home). Right before we left, he sneezed and the doctor got a sample, eventhough he warned that it may not be very accurate. He still wanted to try to see if any tumor cells turned up. Later that evening, he called me with good news that there were no tumor cells on the slide, and that he would prescribe the antibiotics for the 10 day course. If this does not work, he wants him to come in for the x-ray.

It is now three days later and he has seemed to regain some of his appetite with the help of food enticers; however he still sounds awful and is occassionally winded. I was so happy that he was not experiencing nose bleeds, since the nasal flush. Unfortunately, when I came home today I saw that he began bleeding again from the same side (right nostril). I'm just praying that he is on his way to recovery and does not have a tumor.

hazelrunpack
March 13th, 2008, 10:54 AM
:grouphug: I'm sorry you're having to sweat this out, 4Zen. :fingerscr and :pray: that it just turns out to be a curable infection. Please do keep us posted on Zen's progress, okay? :grouphug:

the girl's mom
March 14th, 2008, 04:09 PM
I've been searching for answers and just found this site. My Molly is only 4 1/2but began having seizures about 6 months ago. She started Phenobarb and it seems to be effective. About 3 months ago, I notice a small amount of blood coming from her right nostril. The vet did the labs and scoped her nose. Everything was negative. She gave us antibiotics and suggested allergy meds, also. The bleeding seemed to stop so I was hopeful.

She had multiple seizures the other night and her nose is bleeding again. I read the information about the cancer and although these dogs seem to be older, wonder if this might still be her problem. Has anyone had a dog as young as Molly be diagnosed with the nasal cancer?

I'm scheduling the x-rays right now and wonder what other test might be done to rule this out?

hazelrunpack
March 14th, 2008, 10:48 PM
It is evidently more common in older dogs, which doesn't rule out the occasional early onset, of course. It sounds like Molly's bleeding is very closely related to the seizures, though. I'd think that if it were cancer, it would be bleeding when Molly is not seizing, as well.

Certainly talk to your vet about your concerns and see what he suggests. Xrays are a good first step. He might decide to flush her nose and see if they can detect any abnormal cells in the wash. I hope they don't find any cancer cells! :fingerscr

Good luck, the girl's mom! Let us know how Molly is doing! :grouphug:

karregis
March 24th, 2008, 05:09 PM
Hi everyone im new here , I been reading the post in this thread and its sad also it seems that my dog has the same symptoms ....He's a 5year old Siberian husky ...he's going to get looked after to see whats wrong ,so far he's on antibiotics :candle:

hazelrunpack
March 24th, 2008, 10:48 PM
I'm sorry your Sibe is having problems, karregis--but sometimes it is just a grass awn! We'll have our :fingerscr and s:pawprint: crossed for good results from your boy's tests. Please keep us posted. :grouphug:

karregis
March 25th, 2008, 02:03 AM
thanks so much were hoping for the best ....he's really my husbands dog he had him since he was a pup ...so far he been through the bleeding out of one nostril ...sneezing blood ...and he cant breathe out of one of his nostril so far the vets that look after him ...one said it could be something up there one said it could be cancer he goes back next week .... ill keep everyone posted

hazelrunpack
March 25th, 2008, 10:12 AM
I hope you get good news! :goodvibes:

hazelrunpack
March 26th, 2008, 11:56 PM
I see you've been viewing the thread for a while. Is everything okay, karregis? How's your boy today? :goodvibes:

karregis
March 27th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Hi he's doing ok so far still sounds really bad .... i think i forgot to sign out

hazelrunpack
March 27th, 2008, 01:29 PM
Hi he's doing ok so far still sounds really bad .... i think i forgot to sign out

whew! :grouphug: I was a bit worried. :o

When is your followup appt?

karregis
March 28th, 2008, 04:45 PM
He went in today so they could open it up and find out whats in there ... so im just waiting for him to come back

hazelrunpack
March 28th, 2008, 07:47 PM
At least you'll know one way or the other. :grouphug: Are they doing a surgical biopsy?

karregis
March 29th, 2008, 01:45 AM
yea ... he got stitches on top of his nose and missing hair .... they said they took out a gray nasty looking lump ...it could be a tumor were waiting for the tests to come back ... he's on pain pills now and the antibiotics :fingerscr

hazelrunpack
March 29th, 2008, 01:49 AM
:pray: that it's benign!

karregis
April 3rd, 2008, 11:56 PM
my sis in law gave us the news he has bone cancer ...and that he has to go to a cancer specialist but my husband saids we cant afford to take him so idk its sad poor guy :pray::dog::sorry::rip: i guess ...i dont know what my husband is going to do next or how long he will let him live its so sad you guys .... i felt so bad telling him ... thanks for the support everyone :grouphug::cry:

puppypwr
April 4th, 2008, 09:22 AM
I'm so sorry to hear the news. I understand the financial situation, we are going to be paying our vets bills for years to come for Yukon. I do hope you get some time to spend with him.
Take care. :sorry:
Yukon's Mom:pawprint:

karregis
April 4th, 2008, 01:51 PM
thanks so much its like i knew from just reading everything that happen to your dog but he wont believe me

hazelrunpack
April 4th, 2008, 11:10 PM
i'm so sorry, karregis :grouphug: Make him comfortable, give him as much loving as you can, and cherish the time you have left.

karregis
April 5th, 2008, 10:42 PM
thanks so much hazel....for being there it really meant a lot ....:grouphug:

Faithlilly
April 18th, 2008, 07:27 PM
Being of a British disposition it usually takes a lot to move me but reading all your posts tonight has brought me to tears on several occasions and touched me very deeply. It has also, I'm afraid to say, worried me quite a bit. I am the proud owner of a 13 year old white west highland terrier called Robbie who we got from a dog sanctuary. He has always been fairly healthy although he did have to have a polyp removed from his rectal area at the end of last year.
At the end of February we went on holiday and left Robbie with a very trusted friend. While we were away my friend noticed Robbie was, after sniffing around during his walk, bleeding from his nose. As he didn't want to worry us he contacted is sister who has had a lot of experience with dogs and she reassured him that it was only something stuck in his nose. He told us about this when we returned home but apart from being a little 'sniffley' Robbie seemed fine. Over the weeks though I noticed that he was sneezing more than he had before, swallowing more especially while asleep and making funny snorting noises though none of this seemed to distress him.
About a month after the first bleeding episode his nose bled again after sneezing. The blood was in clots with a little watery blood afterwards but there was no real 'bleeding' of the kind other posters have described. However we took him to the vet the week after the bleed and although one vet thought it maybe a tumour another vet disagreed. Anyway Robbie was put on a course of anti-inflammitaries and given antibiotics to see if that would help.
Although I'm glad to report there has been no bleeding for over five weeks and he seems happy, is eating well and is even putting on weight he is still sneezing frequently, rubbing his nose against furniture and swallowing and snorting as before. The only thing that the vet can suggest at the moment to alleviate my worries is to give him a full-face x-ray. he would need an anesthetic for this and as he is an old dog and doesn't cope well with being put out I am loathe to do this therefore I'd be really gratefull if anyone who has seen these symptoms in their dogs could tell me what the diagnosis was. He is such a little scrapper and I would hate to think he was in any discomfort .
Thanks in advance xx

hazelrunpack
April 18th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Hi, Faithlilly. Sorry to hear about Robbie. :grouphug:

Was Robbie's nose ever irrigated? Sometimes it is just something stuck up there.

As for xrays, our vets have had some pretty good luck taking xrays of our dogs using only a fairly light sedation--not sure if this would work in Robbie's case, but if it's possible, it would be a lot less risky for your old gent.

Faithlilly
April 19th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Thanks Hazel for your reply. In answer to your question no Robbies nose has never been irrigated but I'm going to take him to the vet on Monday to let him have another look at Robbie and explore our options so I'll discuss it with him then. I'd really like to exhaust all other available options before I consider sedation but in the end I know I might just have to 'bite the bullet'.
Thanks again for your input and I'll let you know what happens xx

hazelrunpack
April 19th, 2008, 10:55 PM
Please do update us--and I hope you get good news at the vet! :goodvibes:

3cats-and-a-dog
April 25th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Hi, I had to join in this thread, on Tuesday of this week we had our 12 year old Huskey put to sleep because of the dreaded nose bleeds. It all started about 3 months ago, she had a bit of a bleed and our vet said, she has an infection or has inhaled something or she has cancer. A week or so later she had two bad bleeds in one night so we took her to the emerg vet and had her nose scoped and a cat scan done (seems unfair for a dog but there we are) and there was no question, it was cancer. The emerg vet said she would have about 3 months, he was off by 1 day!!! Surgery and radiation was an option but not for the feint of heart and arguably not fair for a 12 year old dog. In the last two or three weeks her breathing was starting to deteriorate (panting all the time) and on monday of this week she had a huge bleed. We got that stopped and crossed our fingers, Tuesday, exactly the same thing. So we made that awful decision. Our vet was out, putting a dog to sleep for a nose cancer!!! but came back to the clinic for us. When it was all over, I asked the vet what causes these things, is it just bad luck or ? He doesn't think its bad luck. He maintains that nazel cancer is epidemic (sp?) and all due to pesticides, given that most dogs sniff lots of grass, they inhale a lot of pesticides, he's been practising for years and cannot believe the increase in this problem. A lesson learned I guess and sadly my logon name is now untrue.

hazelrunpack
April 25th, 2008, 10:44 PM
I'm so sorry for your loss, 3cats-and-a-dog. :grouphug: You're in our thoughts and prayers during this sad time. What was your girl's name? 12 years is a long time to share together. :candle:

I never thought about the pesticide issue--so many people do get lawn service these days. It certainly is logical that it might contribute to the increase your vet is seeing! It's amazing how common this heartbreaking problem seems to be--before I joined up here, Priscilla's case was the only one I'd ever heard of.

Priscilla, however, was not exposed to many pesticides (I'm paranoid about them.) I just always chalked it up to the fact that dogs use their noses to explore, and who knows what all gets inhaled during a lifetime of sniffing...

3cats-and-a-dog
April 26th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Hi Hazelrunpack and thanks for your comments.

Her name was Montana, she was a great dog, a big clown who would do exactly as you told her... if she thought it was a good idea at the time

hazelrunpack
April 26th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Her name was Montana, she was a great dog, a big clown who would do exactly as you told her... if she thought it was a good idea at the time

:o She sounds like a sweetheart! You must miss her terribly. :grouphug:

There is a forum on the board for posting tributes and pictures to pets that have passed on. If you feel up to it, you could post one for your Montana. We'd all love to see pictures of her and hear more about her.

:candle: Montana

sabran
May 5th, 2008, 08:38 PM
My 11 year female Jack Russell was diagnosed this past January with a nasal tumor in her left nostril. We opted not to have the radiation treatment due to the expensive, the average life span only being a year,....and the closest hospital being three-four hours away.

My vet suggested a medication used for arthritis called deramaxx. He says in some study's it has shown to slow the progression of the tumor and in other signs of shrinking it. Has anybody had this prescribed to their dog?

We don't know if it's done either. What it has done is give her a better quality of life. About an hour or two after she takes her pill she's back to her busybody self....and is eating me out of house and home.

In March she started with nose bleeds where she sneezes clots. She seems to get it about every two weeks. During her last nose bleed there was blood coming out of her right (good) nostril. Lately, she also sounds like she has a lot of post nasal drip and some blockage in the right nostril. She has no deformity to her face.

Of course my fear is the end is near....even though I've felt this way about a hundred times since she's been diagnosed. I dread having to make "THE" decision. I want her to go when she's good and ready to go.

My question to those who've been through this...was there any telltale signs to your dogs final days?

hazelrunpack
May 5th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Hi, sabran. I'm so sorry you're going through this. :grouphug:

I don't know about the others, but with Priscilla, the nosebleeds just got very frequent and very severe. One day we were going to take her for a walk and the nosebleed started before she got all the way down the drive. That was very close to the end. The sneezing/bleeding episodes became much more frequent as well.

It's a hard decision to make and it's hard to tell for sure when it's 'that' time. If the Deramaxx is helping and her good times outweigh the bad, maybe it's not time yet.

Good luck, sabran. Hugs to your girl and for yourself. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers and we're here if you need to talk. :grouphug:

sabran
May 6th, 2008, 07:07 AM
Thanks Hazel.

It's been a frustrating journey. In Oct 2007, she was originally missed diagnosed by a novice vet....our vets son...with an enlarged heart and put her on lasix.

Around Thanksgiving she started with unilateral brownish discharge. Our vet told us she had a sinus infection. Once a dog has sinus problems, like humans, they usually have it for life.

Now, we're thinking she has heart disease and sinusitis. Every time she's had breathing problems, my first reaction is heart disease.

Right after Christmas we had her back in the vet...another sinus infection. Looking back at the vets reaction and concern, I believe he had feeling it was something more than just a sinus problem.

Two weeks after that, we had her in an ER after hours. That vet kept insisting she couldn't hear a heart murmur. Because the symptoms were similar to when she was diagnosed with heart disease, I requested to have another chest xray done. The vet said she didn't see her heart as being enlarged..certain breeds have bigger hearts than other. She highly recommended we see their internist who does both echos and scopes.

By looking at the xray, the internist confirmed she didn't have heart disease. But he did tell us she mostly likely had a nasal tumor. He said mostly every case he's seen with a dog over the age of 10 with unilateral discharge had a nasal tumor. Unfortunately, he was right.

hazelrunpack
May 6th, 2008, 10:07 PM
Sounds like you've all been the through the ringer. :grouphug:

Has the internist ever treated it successfully? Had they found it earlier--when it was first misdiagnosed as a heart problem--would it have changed the prognosis? I've yet to hear of a case that was treated successfully, which is just heartbreaking. :sad:

Best wishes for you and your girl, sabran. TLC and extra cuddling...if she'll allow it, anyway. Those Jacks are something else--such feisty characters! :o You just gotta love 'em! :grouphug:

sabran
May 8th, 2008, 03:22 PM
I don't really think anybody has found a cure for nasal tumors. Radiation seems to have prolong their life a little bit longer.

At the time of her diagnosis, if radiation therapy was in my area, where she could be in the comfort of her own home, I'd probably would have gone through with it. It's at least a two week process. Living in a hotel would have just been added stress on her.

Since then, the more I think about it..is it really worth it? The average life expectency after radiation therapy is a year. Would it really have been worth putting her through all that..just to have it come back at a later date??

What baffles me is how some literature online states nasal tumors only consist of 1-2% of cancers in dogs, and yet there's boards and blogs all over the internet about owners who's dog have had a nasal tumor. I think in the next few years, with modern technology, we're going to see this number go up.

I've had dogs all my life and she's my only Jack. Boy, is she obstinance. She makes me laugh...she has an attitude like she's to busy to die. Even with her being sick, she's slowed up tiny a bit, but she has not stopped. I've given up trying to get her to relax. I figure if she dies running in the yard...then she'll die happy puppy.

hazelrunpack
May 8th, 2008, 03:38 PM
That's how Priscilla was, too--only bigger, cuz she was a springer spaniel. She loved to call the shots. I think, on retrospect, that had we gotten her to the vet earlier to have her pts she wouldn't have appreciated it--she wanted to go on her own terms. And as traumatic as it was for us at the time, I finally came to grips with the fact that it was probably exactly how she wanted to go--out under her favorite bushes in the back yard.

She never really slowed down, either--sometimes not even when she had a nosebleed. On her last walk, the bleeding started halfway down the drive and if I hadn't noticed it, she would have just kept on trucking. In Priscilla's case, at least, it never seemed like a particularly painful cancer to have. :fingerscr that this holds true for your little girl, too.

If you think about the millions of dogs that are out there, and that such a large percentage of dogs do die of cancer, even 1 - 2 % of total cancer deaths being due to nasal cancers would involve a huge number of dogs. :sad: I still know far more dogs that died of other types of cancer than have died of nasal cancers :shrug: But I have to admit that since joining this board, the incidence rate of nasal cancer has dismayed me....

sabran
May 10th, 2008, 10:20 AM
I think the percentage of dogs who die from cancer is more than we realize. Unless they get sick when they're younger, we just assume a dog gets to a certain age and it will die. Do we really know what an old dog died from?

As the internist told us, the reason we don't have a radiation in our area is because they need a CT scanner. The reason we don't have a CT scanner, is they have to prove to the State there's a significant amount of case for it to be used.

What animal healthcare comes down to is the almighty dollar. Unless people have the resources, and are willing, to spend money on testing of their animal, how else can they prove it?

nrweiss
May 20th, 2008, 02:54 PM
My 13 year old Greyhound Molly started to have nosebleeds out of her left nostril a few months ago. The vet did blood work and then a teeth cleaning. Nothing was to remarkable. They also did an x-ray which the radiologist said looked a little suspicious. Two days later a lump appeared on the top of the left side of her nose. Took her back to the vet, they were able to asperate a little blood and fluid with a needle. I am waiting for that pathology. I don't have a good feeling. SHe is also sneezing alot. All these posts sound way to familiar. It is heartbreaking for everyone who goes through this. :sorry::cry:

missy322
May 20th, 2008, 06:38 PM
I would like to srat by saying :sorry: to all of you who have lost your family members.
I have read all these stories and have been brought to tears like many of you. My 9 year old husky, Missy, started with nose bleeds back in March. It was not bad nose bleeds, it was more of a runny nose but it was blood. We brought her to the vet and the tech said "be happy its not a shepard, they are likely to have nose cancer" and then proceeded to to tell me that it was probably cancer. I was heartbroken and at a loss of what to do. She had already been taking Benadryl due to the first visit to the vet but it was not helping. The vet gave me options of trying an antibiotic, xray w/biopsy or a catscan which was out because we couldnt afford it. I went home and talked to my husband about our options and we decided to go with the xray so we scheduled it for 2 days later. Well in that 2 days she got better, no more bleeding and the sneezing had slowed down and she was playing like a puppy again. So I brought her for teh xray but the vet said since she was doing better why put her through the sedation if she is getting better so he gave me an antibiotic. Well between then and now she has had some bleeding from the nose but it has never been bad. She is still very playful and eating well but has had some "runny noses" sometimes with blood sometimes no blood. In the past 2 weeks though we noticed a small lump on her upper nose, when I got home today I noticed it was bigger just from yesterday.
In so many ways it sounds so similar to cancer but I dont know, we are at a loss. We are selling our house, I am expecting our first baby and money is tight. I feel SOOOO guilty but cant afford to spend so much $$ and find out there is nothing that can be done. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. :confused:

puppypwr
May 20th, 2008, 09:19 PM
missy322,
I completely understand your situation. After all was said and done with our Yukon, we were a hurting unit in the wallet, which, will take a long time to pay off.
First thing I would ask is what type of X-ray are they doing? The traditional x-rays showed nothing on our boy, it was the 3D x-ray that gave us results. It's just my opinion, but with the nose I wouldn't bother with traditional x-ray. There's just so much it has to go through.
Second, you could try for a medical type credit card or checked if the vet will do a payment plan.
Yes, it could be cancer. But, it might not be, and could very well be something treatable. I always like to think there's always hope.
Hindsight would tell us to get pet insurance, to ease the financial burden just a little bit, but you can't even imagine something so horrible even happening. Only you can make the final decision, and no matter what it won't be easy.
I hope for the best.:pawprint:

nrweiss
May 21st, 2008, 01:55 PM
Heard from the vet yesterday and he got the pathology back from the fluid they got from the lump on Molly's nose. He said there were abnormal cells. So cancer it is. I am not putting an almost 14 yr. old dog through radiation. He said we could do a CT scan and a biopsy to see if it is the invasive form or the non-invasive kind. But the end result is she's going to die from it. Like most of you, I really don't have the money to spend right now on such an elderly dog. She is at the moment eating and happy. All I can do is keep her comfortable until the end.

missy322
May 21st, 2008, 06:11 PM
So sorry to hear that nrweiss :sorry:

I decided today to call the vet again and see what they thought, so I brought her in and they took bloodwork and said they will get teh results of that and see if she can have the xrays. She would not hold still at all so they could not try to get any fluid as it was to close to her eye. So I guess we wait and see. :sad:

hazelrunpack
May 21st, 2008, 09:17 PM
Heard from the vet yesterday and he got the pathology back from the fluid they got from the lump on Molly's nose. He said there were abnormal cells. So cancer it is. I am not putting an almost 14 yr. old dog through radiation. He said we could do a CT scan and a biopsy to see if it is the invasive form or the non-invasive kind. But the end result is she's going to die from it. Like most of you, I really don't have the money to spend right now on such an elderly dog. She is at the moment eating and happy. All I can do is keep her comfortable until the end.

I'm so sorry, nrweiss. :grouphug: Cherish every moment and be happy when you're with her...she'll pick up your vibes and you don't want to waste any time being sad while she's still with you. Special :grouphug:s to Molly from hazel and the Pack. Please keep us posted on how she's doing.

missy, good luck with the test results! :goodvibes:

TakenAway2Soon
May 25th, 2008, 10:34 AM
A Tribute to My Dog

6 May, 2008


He was just a raggedy old yellow and white dog. Not a pure breed and certainly nothing special to look at but I loved him with all my heart. I guess technically you could say he was Paul's dog but he and I developed a strong, unbreakable bond from the many hours we spent together at home. He would watch me intently as I went about my house or yard work all the while seeming to understand anything that I said to him whether it be an off-the-wall comment about the changing Texas weather or to remind him that the Spurs were coming on that night and that he and I would be having our usual date together in the maroon chair to watch the game. His whole life was lived within a 60 x 50 foot backyard and inside an 1100 square foot house. Nothing gave him more pleasure than to lay quietly at my feet wherever I happened to be within his small little kingdom. He usually didn't have to look very hard to find me but if he didn't see me he would go sit by the front door or on the top step closest to the back door waiting for me to come back home to love him. Time meant nothing to him. He would have waited hours or even days. His eyes would light up while his pointed little ears would twitch at even the slightest sound that it might be me coming home to see him.


He didn't know any dog tricks, wouldn't chase a ball, and probably would have whole-heartedly greeted a burglar-in-the-act with a wagging tail. Any other animal or human was immediately his friend; he unabashedly liked everyone but he saved his everlasting love and adoration for Paul and me. He suffered through dog costumes for Halloween, would have ate a rock if I had hand-fed it to him, and patiently tolerated having his dog treats stolen out from under his nose by his cunning and wily younger "sister." He even liked eating cherry tomatoes because he saw me eat them. He was that kind of dog.


In mid-December of his 15th year, he developed a cancerous tumor on the side of his sweet face. It grew at an alarming rate; he was given 2 weeks to live. The 2 weeks came and went. Then a month. Two months. Three months went by. His left eye became almost completely swollen shut because of the massive growth and he was near deaf, but as long as he had the other eye to watch or follow behind me, he was happy. He lost weight and eating became difficult because of the tumor that had now grown inside his mouth. Everyday could have been his last day... but it wasn't. As long as he thought he was needed and wanted, he wanted to be here. His pace became slower and more laborious, his breathing became more shallow, and his bones almost seemed like they were going to poke through his skin at times... but his tail continued to wag. He kept his one good eye on the prize. And that prize was the honor of being able to sit quietly at my feet or lean against me as we watched TV. There was no greater privilege that I could give him.


For five months and through it all, that brave little dog hung on until his frail body just said "enough." Last night we had to let him go. It was time. I wish I could say that I was the brave one; that there wasn't 100 times today that I didn't second-guess that decision. But I can't. No single decision that I've ever had to make has been as emotionally draining or as agonizing.

Suddenly this little house seems a lot bigger without him. And much too quiet. He was my constant companion, my closest listener, and my adored friend. Throughout his life and up until the very end, I took care of him as best that I could but if the truth be known, he took better care of me.


I'll miss him terribly.

hazelrunpack
May 25th, 2008, 10:43 AM
What a beautiful tribute, TA2S. :grouphug: Einstein was well-loved and loved you back, that much is absolutely certain... And that much love for so long builds a special kind of bond that can never be broken.

I'm so sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you during this difficult time. :grouphug: May your happy memories make you smile again soon...

:candle: Einstein (aka Barfy)

TakenAway2Soon
May 26th, 2008, 01:48 PM
Thank-you, hazelrunpack, for your gentle thoughts and kind words. :dog: I wrote that tribute so that others could know what an amazing little animal he was and how very much he will be missed. Even now, almost 3 weeks later, there is a huge, empty hole in my life.

In spite of a battery of x-rays, boodtests, and tissue samples, we weren't getting a definite diagnosis as to what was wrong. One night in total frustration and desperation, I found this site after doing a search with some of Barfy's symptoms as the key words. It was so upsetting to read some of the posts (because most of his symptoms matched those described) but yet at the same time it was comforting to know that there were others who could really understand what our little family was going through. ALL the posts were very touching but KiChien's & puppypwr's posts in particular brought tears to my eyes. Thank-you also to YOU, hazelrunpack, for the advice given in one of your posts (#27) about when to know when the time is right to let your baby go. We didn't want to take away even one less day, hour, or minute from our beloved pet than we had to, and it was YOUR advice that we followed to know when it was time. Thank-you. :candle:

To the other dog lovers whose baby may have symptoms like those described in some of these posts: There is HOPE in that our sweet dog appeared to have no pain (until the very last day) and he was with us quite a bit longer than what was originally predicted. :pawprint:


He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.

-Unknown

Pepperpup
May 28th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am new this forum and unfortunately have also come upon it by researching my pups nosebleeds. All the symptoms sound the same:

Pepper is a 14 year old dane/lab dame - so yes a large breed on the senior side of life.
First there were intense nosebleeds only from her right side
The vet was unable to find anything abnormal in her blood or urine.
We got some antibiotics and antiinflammatory steroid and they seemed to help. Once we stopped the treatment a little bit of blood started coming back out of her right nostril but nothing like before. Then the past two nights she could barely breathe and this morning there was still a little bit of blood again on her right side but big gobs of thick yellow discharge out out her left side.

I am not sure if that is a good sign or a bad sign. I haven't read anywhere here that your pups also had a yellow discharge. Could this possibly mean that it is an infection afterall? Our vet is putting her back on the antibiotics for now as we are waiting to hear back from the veterinary school in st. Hyacinthe which seems to be the only place that has a 3d xray scanner to set up an appointment.

Thank you very much in advance for your input! My hearts go out to all of you and your 4 legged loved ones!

missy322
May 28th, 2008, 06:10 PM
Hi Pepperpup,
Missy also had some yellow, almost greenish discharge from her nose. My vet also put her back on antibiotics. They dont know what is going on yet but she goes Friday for an x-ray so I will let you know when I get the results. :grouphug:

hazelrunpack
May 28th, 2008, 10:22 PM
:fingerscr that the problem is "just" an infection for both your dogs! :goodvibes: That certainly would be a less scary diagnosis!

:grouphug:

TakenAway2Soon
May 29th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Hi Pepperpup and missy322 -

My dog had problems with a stuffy nose similar to those that both of you described. It seemed almost like a really bad cold with lots of mucous. After awhile he started breathing out of his mouth. His stuffy nose though was in conjunction with almost constant sneezing. Are either of your dogs sneezing almost nonstop too?

I'm saying a prayer for each of your dogs! Hopefully it IS just an infection or even some kind of treatable allergy. :pray: Please let me know...

Pepperpup
May 29th, 2008, 08:34 AM
She does sneeze once in a while - but not all the time. Usually after I wipe her nose

missy322
May 31st, 2008, 10:51 AM
I just wanted to give an update in Missy, she had her x-rays yesterday. Didnt go so well :sad:. They took fluid from the bump on her nose, from the outside and they went up her nose and took some, and they said it definately looks "suspicious". They sent them out to a specialist "because they deal with this every day so they will have a better idea". The vet said it looks like cancer and the only options we have would be to try a steroid like prednisone or radiation. Radiation is out of the question so she said we have probably 1-3 months.

As for the sneezing, Missy was sneezing a lot for a while before the antibiotics. Sometimes there were like 20 sneezes in one, it would just shake her whole body. But that has gone away, she sneezes still but nothing like before.

hazelrunpack
May 31st, 2008, 01:48 PM
I'm sorry to hear that the cells looked "suspicious", missy. :grouphug:

:goodvibes: that you get better news from the specialist!

How does Missy seem to be feeling? Other than the discharge and sometimes sneezing, does she seem to be feeling pretty chipper? :fingerscr

missy322
June 3rd, 2008, 05:53 PM
Thanks Hazelrunpack! :)
Honestly since the meds wore off shes been back to herself, she hasnt even had a runny nose in a while. She is eating but not a lot, but she is still very playful and drinking and acting like nothing is wrong which is great! :D

hazelrunpack
June 3rd, 2008, 10:19 PM
That's great news, missy322! When they're enjoying themselves, all's right with the world. :D I'm still hoping you'll get good news from the specialist :fingerscr :goodvibes:

Libby Girl
June 7th, 2008, 05:09 PM
Dear friends, I have been reading many of your posts and am saddened. My girl Libby has actually been lucky. She is 14 and about six months ago started having nose bleeds. I too went through the myriad of home remedies - humidifiers - nose sprays - ....

I decided she had a polyp and took her to a Kansas City Specialist for surgery. The doctor was very kind but assured me my dog had no polyp - She stated that the chances of her having cancer were close to 100 percent - and any option we took would be difficult and expensive. She suggested I take my dog home and enjoy the time we had. (we also changed arthritis medication to Piroxicam - (Feldene in human form))

And that is what I have been doing.

Now, I need ideas. Libby can no longer breathe that well through her nose. That makes pretty much every part of her doggy life difficult. She no longer drinks water - so, I give her crushed ice in my hands - She LOVES this! I also give her little cut up sandwiches where I have saturated the bread with water and this works too. (she also LOVES cucumbers - and I slather them with water) What I CAN'T devise is some way for her to rest where her mouth is open. She will NOT let me put anything into her mouth to prop it open so she can breathe - and try as I may - I can't get her to sleep on her side.

I took her to the regular vet yesterday to be put to sleep and you would have thought we were going to Disneyland the way she carried on - so, the vet sent us home.

If I could get past this sleeping thing - Maybe she could just live on chipped ice and soggy sandwiches.... I don't know. I do know - just like you - this ordeal has taken it's toll on me. I am exhausted and I have cried buckets. When I took her to the vet yesterday - I just handed the receptionist a typed out note. At the top read "I will be crying - it's ok - just talk a little louder"

I am new to this site - is there a special location for pet adaptations?

Libby's pal, Mary with the frostbitten fingers

hazelrunpack
June 7th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Ah, Mary :grouphug: Sounds like you have a real trooper on your hands! (More power to ya, Libby!! :dog:)

Unfortunately, I have absolutely no suggestions for how to get her to sleep on her side or with her mouth open. It might help if you could describe how she sleeps now? With her head between her paws or on your pillow? :D Does she have trouble settling, or does she settle, then get restless when she finds she can't breathe? Does she sleep on your bed, or on her own? Will she use a round dog bed?

Perhaps some other members will have some ideas.

It does sound like Libby cherishes life and loves her mommy. Hard on you but good on her! (Priscilla was like that, too.)

Hang in there, Mary. You're giving Libby the best gift in the world--your love. :grouphug:

Libby Girl
June 10th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Ok, Libby (the 14 year old Border Collie) had not had one of these Blow-Out nose bleeds I had been reading about. She had only had slight blood stains on her bedding (oh, by the way - she is no longer able to get into bed with me - she used to sleep on the floor on her bed beside me - Now, I sleep on the floor down beside her! - she sleeps on her stomach with her head between her paws - and that is how she has slept for about the last two years - thank you for asking)

Now, Monday morning before work - I am ready for work - I let Libby outside and when she comes back in she sneezes, Then, it starts - She is sneezing blood out of her nose all over - I herd her into her room and while sneezing (rapid fire sneezing) - she manages to eat her (bloody) ice chips - UCK! (I changed them twice but it was of no use - her nose is right there dripping into her ice) I am covered with blood - but, I go on and feed her breakfast - she is eating and carrying on while she is experiencing this nose bleed - I decide to put her back outside - while I clean up some.

Now, here's the gross part - she is standing at the door - sneezing - but, hitting the door with her paw ("I want in") - and I'm cleaning and motioning to her with my finger - (one minute) (she is deaf - so I have to use sign language - did I mention she was smart?)

Anyway - I go to let her in - and next to the door is this GROSS piece of tissue - healthy looking - kind of like a piece of chicken fat - about the size of a heaped over teaspoon. Next to it is a blood clot the size of a dime - and yes, her nose is still bleeding and she is still sneezing.

I put her on her clean bedding - clean up - and go to work.

When I came home - she seemed to be breathing a little better. I'm not optimistic - her lungs sound heavier, but, I am proud of her for blowing that thing out of her nose - I could have never done it and I have larger nostrils!

(I have that thing saved in my refrigerator - properly marked - and I took a photo!)

OH, she has also figured out - if she puts her nose on the window sill - she can drop her jaw open - it only works for a moment or two - but it still helps.
(I have also put a chair into her room that has a structural rail about three inches off the ground - in hopes she will use that the same way)

Thank you to all that have read - and best luck to you and your dogs. We can only do for them what we know. And we can all know more if we share.

Thank you.
Mare

TakenAway2Soon
June 10th, 2008, 01:53 PM
Mary -

Are you going to take the tissue sample to your vet for a definite diagnosis? My heart is just breaking for you and Missy. I know so well (too well) what you and your 14-year-old companion are going through. It's the feeling of helplessness that's the worst.

Please keep us informed. I hope that sneezing out that blood clot will help her to breathe a little easier. Saying prayers for her and you...

hazelrunpack
June 11th, 2008, 12:16 AM
:fingerscr that she breathes a bit easier now! I hope you do bring in that tissue for analysis--you might get a better idea of what you're dealing with. :grouphug:

:pray: and :goodvibes: for you and Libby!

Libby Girl
June 11th, 2008, 05:55 PM
I thought about sending it to pathology but .... I'm not sure what would change.

Libby is still failing - she still has trouble breathing and something about eating and drinking "hurts". The expulsion of that tissue only really helped her breathing for one day. And, I am somewhat worried her lungs are now involved.

Yes, it would be interesting to know what it is - but, I don't know if the cost and the answer would change our current treatment. I am not in a position to spend a lot of money on a fourteen year old dog and my vet is very understanding. I asked for a chest x-ray the last time I took her in - and the vet very calmly asked "what would that change?" (also - Libby is very sensitive to anesthetics)

At this point - Libby can't be cured. I can only try and make her last days as comfortable as I can.

Thank you for your understanding - I wish the best for you and your pal.

hazelrunpack
June 11th, 2008, 09:30 PM
I was really hoping she'd get more than one day of easier breathing after sneezing out the tissue. :sad:

Please keep us updated, Libby Girl. :grouphug:

madam
June 14th, 2008, 04:50 PM
im so sorry...my dog just had a nose bleed and im really scared ive had him for over 12 yrs and he's never had a nose bleed. but since he went to the vet on wednesday and they gave him a shot and some pills. i think it was the shot they gave him idk

hazelrunpack
June 14th, 2008, 08:27 PM
im so sorry...my dog just had a nose bleed and im really scared ive had him for over 12 yrs and he's never had a nose bleed. but since he went to the vet on wednesday and they gave him a shot and some pills. i think it was the shot they gave him idk

There are other causes for nose bleeds than cancer, madam. It could well be from something else :grouphug: May I ask what the shot and the pills were for?

sabran
June 19th, 2008, 03:34 PM
Sorry to all of those who have to go through this with their beloved pet.


I just wanted to update everyone on my dog. It's been well over a month since I first posted...thinking it was the end...and she's still with me. She's approaching the end of her fifth month after being diagnosed with a nasal tumor. Her nose is pretty much plugged. She breaths mostly out of her mouth....which hasn't stopped her from doing what she wants to do. Still no facial deformity. The bad nose bleeds...where blood pours out and sneezing clots..have occured anywhere from two-four weeks. She's still eating and drinking well. The deramaxx, she takes for pain, is still helping her quality of life.

Downside...today she had one of her bad nose bleeds. Keeping my finger cross it doesn't turn into THE nose bleed.

hazelrunpack
June 19th, 2008, 09:34 PM
:grouphug: How is she tonight, sabran? :goodvibes:

missy322
June 20th, 2008, 12:12 PM
Its so sad that all of us and all of our dogs have to go through this, it just doesnt seem right. :confused:

I wanted to give an update on Missy, she doesnt seem to be doing to well these days. We were away for the weekend and we noticed Saturday night her nose was runny again, it was blood but not clots.. just running. She too can not breath well out of her nose, she sleeps leaning against a wall or something propping her head up. She is also sneezing a lot again, sometimes the crazy sneezes that are just uncontrollable. The other day I got home from work and when I went into my upstairs bathroom noticed she had diahrea all over, and since that she has continued to do so in the middle of the night and while we are at work. The past day or 2 it has seemed like more pee than anything but the worst part about it all.... she is not drinking or eating much so where is it coming from?!?!?! I am so scared and I just dont know what to do, it seems like she is just shutting down but then again she was running around in the yard last night. None of it makes sense to me and it is just very hard on me. :sad:
Has anyone else experienced the accidents?

Sabine
June 20th, 2008, 12:40 PM
My ten year old Siberian Husky has been having nose bleeds from his right nostril for a few weeks off and on.
Sorry for not going through all the post that came after the initial one, but I was thinking of Aspergillosis. Have you guys ruled that out ? ;)

hazelrunpack
June 20th, 2008, 12:49 PM
Most of the dogs in this thread were, sadly, diagnosed or have succumbed to nasal cancer, Sabine. :sad: Good thought, though. There are a number of things other than cancer that can cause nosebleeds.

hazelrunpack
June 20th, 2008, 12:54 PM
The other day I got home from work and when I went into my upstairs bathroom noticed she had diahrea all over, and since that she has continued to do so in the middle of the night and while we are at work. The past day or 2 it has seemed like more pee than anything but the worst part about it all.... she is not drinking or eating much so where is it coming from?!?!?!

Missy, this is not typical of what I, at least, experienced. It sounds like there's something more going on. The "not drinking or eating much" also worries me. This could lead to dehydration. At the very least I think you should send a fecal sample to the vet to see if he can determine a cause. If you can at all afford it, taking Missy in for an exam would be the best thing. :grouphug:

Did you ever hear back from the specialist about the samples that were sent?

TakenAway2Soon
June 21st, 2008, 01:57 AM
missy322 -

The best advice I got from my vet when I was about an inch away from losing my mind with worrying about the Quality of Life my 15-year-old dog was having was to:

SPOIL HIM ROTTEN.

He had 3 different times when he quit eating altogether (one time as long as 4 days). I switched him over from dry dogfood to a good brand of canned food (the kind with all the chunks of meat and vegetables). On top of the stuffed-up nose and sneezing, his teeth had also been giving him problems that I was unaware of at the time. This change from dry to wet food started him eating again. After the 2nd time he stopped eating, I fed him small pieces of grilled hotdogs. This worked well for a few weeks. After he wouldn't eat hotdogs anymore, through trial-and-error I found the next incentive: shredded cheese

Like Missy, my dog would also have these unexpected surges of energy (running around in the back yard, etc) after having gone DAYS without eating and/or drinking any water. I still don't know how he had the strength and stamina to do some of the things he did.

What is a treat for Missy? Bacon? Hamburger? Whatever it happens to be, if making a meal of treats everyday will start her eating again, then that is what I would give her.

missy322
June 21st, 2008, 11:15 AM
Unfortunatly the specialist came back "inconclusive" so they wanted us to bring her for an endoscopy but I just dont have the money.

Well yesterday was day off so Missy was outside all day, she wanted no part of inside... it was a beautiful day. I noticed though that she was drinking her water again and then last night she ate dinner, not a lot but a good amount so I was thrilled! :thumbs up
My husband also noticed this morning that that her poop is solid again. And shes drinking her water still so she must not have been feeling good.. maybe. But she seems to be doing better again so I guess we wait and see. :pray:

sabran
June 21st, 2008, 11:23 AM
:grouphug: How is she tonight, sabran? :goodvibes:


She still has a slight nose bleed. Not has bad as it was on Thursday. It's more like blood tinted mucous.

Yesterday she started with a yellow nasal discharge out of right nostril. Called the vet to get some antibiotics. He said most likely the tumor is growing into the right side. Which I suspected due to the plugged nose. If her eyes start to bulge, that means it's grown into the sinus cavity. He also said...most importantly....you don't put down a happy dog. Which to me means as long as the dog is eating and able to have enjoyment in their life...they're happy!!

sabran
June 21st, 2008, 11:44 AM
missy322 -

The best advice I got from my vet when I was about an inch away from losing my mind with worrying about the Quality of Life my 15-year-old dog was having was to:

SPOIL HIM ROTTEN.

He had 3 different times when he quit eating altogether (one time as long as 4 days). I switched him over from dry dogfood to a good brand of canned food (the kind with all the chunks of meat and vegetables). On top of the stuffed-up nose and sneezing, his teeth had also been giving him problems that I was unaware of at the time. This change from dry to wet food started him eating again. After the 2nd time he stopped eating, I fed him small pieces of grilled hotdogs. This worked well for a few weeks. After he wouldn't eat hotdogs anymore, through trial-and-error I found the next incentive: shredded cheese

Like Missy, my dog would also have these unexpected surges of energy (running around in the back yard, etc) after having gone DAYS without eating and/or drinking any water. I still don't know how he had the strength and stamina to do some of the things he did.

What is a treat for Missy? Bacon? Hamburger? Whatever it happens to be, if making a meal of treats everyday will start her eating again, then that is what I would give her.


I agree. The specialist who diagnosed my dog, more or less, said the same thing....unrestricted diet and unlimited activity.

I know there's nothing I can do to cure my dog, but I could maybe prolong it a little bit by feeding food she'll eat. Eating something is better than eating nothing. One thing I've done, since she started with the nose bleed, I've been feeding her chicken livers to help with her iron loss. Does it work...I don't know...but she loves'em. I also will mix chicken or turkey in with her food.

TakenAway2Soon
June 21st, 2008, 12:08 PM
sabran -

Wish I had thought about chicken livers like you did :lightbulb: when I was trying to get my dog to eat. That would have saved me alot of running back and forth to the grocery store and maybe would have started him back to eating a few days earlier.

hazelrunpack
June 21st, 2008, 05:47 PM
Aw, missy...:frustrated:...I get so frustrated with 'inconclusive' test results! :grouphug: I'm sorry. Likely, all the endoscopy would have given you was a name, not a cure :sad:

I'm glad to hear she's feeling better. It did sound more like an intestinal malady of some sort--our dogs have been having periodic bouts with diarrhea, too. Pretty common for us in the spring since they've got so much to munch on when the snow finally melts :rolleyes:

:goodvibes: for even better appetite! :fingerscr

sabran, that's always been our decision maker, too: "Is the dog happy?" That's why we waited so long with Priscilla--she was happy right to that last day. If there was one blessing with this cancer, it was that she was able to live with it for so long and still have a good quality of life.

Chicken livers are an excellent suggestion. Yum! :D I love 'em, too.

hazelrunpack
June 21st, 2008, 05:48 PM
The best advice I got from my vet when I was about an inch away from losing my mind with worrying about the Quality of Life my 15-year-old dog was having was to:

SPOIL HIM ROTTEN.


I love the way your vet thinks! :cloud9:

mrsjackblack
June 23rd, 2008, 12:46 AM
hi, i'm new here. i've been searching and searching online for some answers to why my dog's nose has been bleeding. i am so sorry for everyones loses on this thread, it is so sad. i lost my first baby, a beagle mix named charlie, to cancer in 2005, and i still cry about him, i can't bare to spread his ashes yet. the thought that killian might have cancer too is making me really upset. here's the background.... killian is an aussie/border collie something else mix, he'll be 8 in october. a few months back he had a sudden nose bleed from his right nostril, i thought it was from both, but after wiping it several times i realized it was only coming from the right side. there was some sneezing associated with this bleeding. i took him to the vet on monday and he said killian had a slight fever, and it was most likely and infection. he gave me antibiotics for him. the nose bleed stopped very quickly, that night i believe, so i thought he had probably just gotten stuck with a stick, but i gave him the anitbiotics anyway, although i didn't finish, i think i was 3 days short. please don't flame me, i had a 3 year old, 2 year old and newborn at the time! (3 year old is now a 4 year old :)) i was more than a little stressed and busy. i felt like a loser :loser: for not finishing them, but he seemed fine. now, a week ago we found some more blood spots all over the floor, and a 3"ish spot next to his bed. we then noticed our new female rescue dog licking herself and realized she is infact NOT spayed, and is in heat. so i think it must be that. but on sunday i see killian's right nostril actually does have blood dripping. i plan to take him to the vet on monday, but it stopped again, and i assume that maybe it was just a coincidence, maybe he just jammed his nose on something again. he and the new rescue dog play and rough house a LOT. then today, a week later he came up to me all happy, wagging his tail, and there is a stream of thick clear mucous coming from his right nostril again. it was tinged with blood. now it's still running clear, more thin, kind of orange tinted.
i am taking him to the vet in the morning, but i guess i just need to hear from you all if this sounds like what you experienced, or if there is anything else you think it might be? thanks so much for your help.

water101
June 23rd, 2008, 07:57 PM
Mrsjackblack

I am going through the exact same thing right now with my 13 year old black lab. I have had him to 2 vets. His blood work is ok but I have not had xrays because he is older and hates to go in the car.The last time we took him he got excited and bleed everywhere. He seems to sneeze a lot when he gets excited and that is when he bleeds.

We were preparing to put him down when the last vet came to the house because he wasn't eating or sleeping. We put him on a pain medication for 5 days and have him on anitboitics for 14 days(5 days left). He has since been sleeping and eating again and seems vey happy for an old fellow. There is no bleeding accept when he gets excited.

We are using rescue remedy to keep him calm which works ok. Alergy season is bad right now adn I hpefully that maybe alergies could be a cause. The vet is coming again in a few days to check him out again.

I have been told that his heart maybe weak with possible clogged arteries. I have not been able to come to an exact reason as to why, more then likely it is cancer but I am hopefully it's not.

Anyone have any input that would be great. Please keep me advised as to what you find out and I will do the same .

Good luck
Water and Wishbone.

hazelrunpack
June 23rd, 2008, 09:53 PM
Welcome to both of you, though I always am sad when someone new joins the thread. :sad:

Keep your :fingerscr, mrsjackblack. There are other reasons for nose bleeds that are more treatable and they should be ruled out before assuming the problem is cancer. Dogs with nosebleeds (from whatever cause) do seem to respond to antibiotics and antiinflammatory meds. Sometimes a saline flush will clear out a grass awn and the nose heals... I'm sending :goodvibes: for a good report on Killian from the vet tomorrow!

:goodvibes: for you, too, water101. A venerable 13-yr-old labby. :cloud9: I love labs! I'm keeping my :fingerscr for your boy!

Please keep us posted. :grouphug:s for both of you and your furbabies.

water101
June 26th, 2008, 12:14 PM
Just a update on my lab.

We got the word that it is cancer and his time has come. Timing is not very good as we leave tomorrow for our summer vaction for a week. We have him on some pain medication for a week to make things a little more comfortable for him.

He has been with us since he was a pup and the kids are really going to miss him since they were all young when we got him. I am not planning on telling them till we get back and give them a few more days with him before we say good bye.

He has been a wonderful friend and the best dog I have ever had, he has been with me through a lot and been through a lot in his life as well. Like a true trooper he never complains and never asks for more then food, water, walks and lots of love.


He will be truely missed.

Thanks
Waster

hazelrunpack
June 26th, 2008, 10:23 PM
I'm so sorry, water101 :grouphug:

At least he'll have one last wonderful vacation with his family. You've given him 13 wonderful years--that creates a powerful bond and strong memories. He won't forget.

:candle: You'll be in our thoughts and prayers.

mrsjackblack
July 4th, 2008, 01:11 AM
oh goodness, i didn't get any notifications that anyone had responded, i would have posted again sooner. i'm still trying to wrap my head and emotions around it, but killian ended up going in for bloodwork, which showed no high levels of white cells or anything, no tick diseases or any reason for the bleeding. two days later they put him under and did a scope and found the tumors in his right sinus cavity. he's only 7 years old, i just never imagined i would be losing him so soon. i don't know why, but the vet didn't do any sort of biopsy while he was in there, and i'm not going to subject killian to being put under again. he had a hard time coming out of the anithesia, vomitting and lethargic until the next day. so i don't know what kind of tomors, but he said it looked like a bunch of grapes and had it's own blood supply. he had no idea how long killian might be here, or how the end might be. i think everyone in this thread has much more experience with this than my vet. in all his years as a vet he has only had one other animal have tumors in the sinuses and it was a cat. killian's nose has gone from the occasional bleed to dripping red mucous constantly now :( i have him on antihistamines to try to dry up some of that mucous, and some herbs my step dad gave me, but i am not sure any of it is helping. it's so hard because he seems just like his old self! still sweet and playful, not at all what my other dog was like with cancer. if it wasn't for that constant bloody reminder i'd have no way to know he was sick. i can tell he's losing his sense of smell, and it breaks my heart. i think i'm going to start making him ground beef and turkey to eat. like y'all said, spoil him to the end! thanks so much for the thoughts and for responding. i appreciate having others who know exactly what we are going through.

hazelrunpack
July 4th, 2008, 10:21 AM
I'm sorry to hear about Killian. :grouphug:

One thing you might want to try for the mucousy drip--when we were still trying to figure out what Priscilla had, the vet tried antibiotics. I think sometimes a secondary infection sets in and causes some of the dripping. Although it won't cure the problem, if Killian tolerates the antibiotics well, a low dose might clear things up a bit. An anti-inflammatory might also be worth a try. Again, not a cure, but something to keep Killian more comfortable.

Priscilla seemed to be pretty pain-free right up till the end. :fingerscr that the same applies to Killian. :goodvibes:

Please keep us posted, mrsjackblack. :grouphug:

Libby Girl
July 20th, 2008, 10:03 PM
To refresh your memory - Libby is the Border Collie that blew the tissue out her nose. Well, She is NO better but she is NO worse. She continues to have bleeding from her nostril. I am continuing to give her ice chips - I add enough water to make a slush / snow ball. (perhaps nerve damage prevents her tongue from lapping)

I agree, some days she eats well - some days not so good. I change up the menu and see what she accepts.

Now, I would like to say something about Libby's medicine. She is currently taking 10mg of Feldene. (Piroxicam). This is an antiarthritic drug that has been found to have some chemotherapeutic traits in dogs. I don't know about the chemotherapeutic traits (though Libby is about the same as she was in late May) but, this morning she followed me upstairs without too much grief.

Now, she has lost weight and she hasn't been working her joints as much - but, I do think her Feldene is helping. (I will admit - just here.... I was going to order her the Feldene from some Canadian-India drug traffic ring off the internet but I got lucky and was prescribed some for me - at Wal-mart it is $10.00 for 30 generic 10mg capsules) ANOTHER THING - I now show her the pill. She was becoming suspicious of every thing I gave her to eat. I now dip my finger in cake icing (ummm) - then stick her pill in the middle - show it to her - and then slide my gommy pilled finger into her mouth. She knows the pill is there but the icing is so good ( cream cheese - her fave) that the pill is ok.

The problem with Feldene is the dosage - it is a capsule - Libby, a dog around 65 pounds, is to have 9 mg a day. At first I opened the capsules and shook out a little bit - but, after about a month I just gave her the entire capsule. It may be easier to die from kidney failure than nasal cancer. Plus, the extra dosage wasn't that much higher.

I am sorry to hear about the trials we and our pets are enduring. But, I ask for no better when I am at the last stage of my life. I hope I am that lucky.

hazelrunpack
July 21st, 2008, 11:42 AM
I'm so glad to hear that Libby is still doing well! :grouphug: I doubt that the extra 11% feldene she's getting is going to be detrimental. (Many meds are typically prescribed to fall in the middle of an acceptable range of mg/unit of body weight, so 10 mg may still be in that range, anyway. :shrug:) If she's comfortable, that's what counts. :thumbs up

So cream cheese icing is worth the pill that comes along with it, eh? :laughing: She's a good girl, that Libby is! :grouphug:

:thankyou: for the update!

dopey
August 19th, 2008, 04:47 AM
Hi,
I have a dog and his name is Dopey. Im not too sure how old is he as it was given to me by my mother's friend, since then i've had him for 9 years going to be 10 years in January. 2years ago my dogs started breathing heavily and wheezing. I took him to the vet and he said he had chronic asthma, my dog also had his teeth cleaned and 2 teeth pulled out. Since then he was on medication which the vet prescribed (some streroid medicine's name starts with a P). His appetite improved so much he is actually over weight now.
About 6 months ago he was limping, i took him to the vet and he told me that he has dislocated his foot and advised me to get him calcium tablets.
I only started feeding it to him recently about 3 weeks ago as i was trying to find the right one.
2 days ago, when he sneezed i noticed some bllod on the floor. not too much about the size of a small grape.
Could the calcium supplement have caused this? could the heat have caused this? for the past two days he has been himself and no bleeding form his nose.i consulted a new vet and told me that he might have heartworm.
If a blood test is done, will i know if he has nasal cancer?or will my dog still have to go thru a biopsy.Please advice.I'm scared.:cry:

hazelrunpack
August 19th, 2008, 10:12 AM
Welcome, dopey.

In this case, the bleeding could well be a result of long term steroid use. Was it prednisone (or it's active form prednisolone) that Dopey is taking? Two years on steroids is a very long time and you should maybe talk to your vet about weaning him off and trying a different medication.

Prednisone can cause weight gain, osteoporosis, easy bruising, and endocrine problems when used long term. It could be that the blood vessels in the nose have become weak and the sneezing caused them to break.

Nasal cancer is, unfortunately, very hard to diagnose unless a biopsy can be obtained. However, at this point, I'd be more suspicious of side effects from the steroids than nasal cancer.

Good luck dopey. :grouphug: Please keep us posted.

dopey
August 20th, 2008, 02:01 PM
Thank you so much for your reply HazelrunPack. Yes, that is the name of the medicine. I've spoken to a few vets but they would still suggest the same medicine. I would like to ask if there are any other type of medicine, other that the steroid?
I was very happy at first as his appetite increased because he was such a picky eater and would only eat after he gets his walk and also with us standing beside him praising him as he eats. Now i am very worried about his weight, when i shower him he would just lean on me or sit down as his legs can't support him. Nowadays he only goes for his walks after he gets his dinner.
Could the wheezing be caused by heartworm as one of the vet told me that but she said a blood test would have to be done to be sure.
I tried posting a picture of my dog but can't seem to do it. :shrug: Either the picture's size was too big or there is a problem with the loading. Will try and post it the next time. :confused:

hazelrunpack
August 21st, 2008, 12:20 AM
Unfortunately, I have very little experience with asthma in dogs, so I'm not sure what is available for treatments other than the steroids. You might want to start a new thread in the health forum and mention in the title something about treatments for asthma in dogs. There is a vet that posts here now and then and is very helpful...name is Dr. Lee. You might try PMing him for advice as well...though I'm not sure how often he signs on.

The wheezing could be caused by heartworm--and a blood test would be needed, but it's a fairly inexpensive and easy thing to do. If you suspect heartworm at all, you should have the test done ASAP since heartworm can be fatal if left untreated. Has Dopey been on heartworm preventives at all or are you in an area where it isn't too prevalent?

As for pictures, they have to be less than 100KB in size if you're uploading them from your computer. Do you need help in cutting them down to size?

dopey
August 22nd, 2008, 02:42 AM
Hello Hazelrunpack,
He did not get any heartworm preventives and i am very prevalent with tis area. I only dewormed him about a month agao. For his tummy i think. I think I will ask my sister to take me and Dopey to the vet to get his blood checked. If he is really diagnosed with heartworm, how long can he usually last if left untreated because i wasted this 2 years, as the vet told me he has chronic asthma. But the wheezing did stop after the medication started.
Can you please teach me how do i start a new thread? and also can you help me cut the pic into a smaller size?
Thnak you so much for your help. It's so nice when i got somebody to talk to who loves dogs and cats.

hazelrunpack
August 22nd, 2008, 09:25 AM
If you suspect heartworm may be the problem, the sooner you get to the vet the better. Two years is a long time...the longer you wait, the more dangerous the treatment, but I've known dogs that recovered well after long-term infections.

To start a new thread go here: http://www.pets.ca/forum/index.php for a listing of forums. Click on the forum that is most appropriate for your thread, then click on the New Thread button at the top of the forum listing and you're set to go.

Or, to get into the proper forum, find a post in the New Posts or Today's Posts that's in that forum (listed on the right of the display), click on the forum name in the right-hand column, and you'll get to the forum page and can hit the New Thread button from there. :thumbs up

Are you uploading pictures from your computer? Here's an FAQ listing that talks about adding images to your messages: http://www.pets.ca/forum/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_vb_special_codes

Good luck with Dopey! :goodvibes: I'm looking forward to seeing pics! :D

missy322
August 24th, 2008, 11:47 AM
I havent signed on in a while so I wanted to give an update. We moved and and Missy suprisingly did very well with the move, I was scared as I didnt know how she was going to handle it. She really seemed to like the new house and atmosphere so things were looking goor for a week or 2.
Her bump has gotten bigger, it has gone up in between her eyes and moved to under her left eye which was the side she would bleed from. I think she has gone blind in the one eye now, it is all red and goops up a lot. It is so sad to see. She has recently started to bleed from her right nostril now so I'm guessing it has pread into both nostrils now, again its not a lot of blood but it is there. I dont know how she is still hanging in there, but she is. I look at her at every night and it brings tears to my eyes because she looks so bad but she is still hanging in there. She has an excellent appetite, shes drinking water and she still gets excited to go for walks. Theres nothing we can do but watch and wait. :cry:
I'm wondering though, how long do they usually make it with this disease?

TakenAway2Soon
August 24th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Hello missy322 -

I haven't posted in awhile either. SO GLAD to read that Missy still has an appetite and in spite of it all is still loving life and her family. What happened to my dog Barfy sounds ALOT like what is happening to Missy. I wrote a post about him (#74) and the description sounds similar. The vet gave my dog about 2 weeks but defying all odds, he was still with us 5 months later. It also broke my heart to see what Barfy was going through. (At one point, I even had to help him "blow his nose" several times a day by squeezing his nostrils until some of the "goop" came out. Don't know if a vet would recommend this but it seemed to help my dog with his breathing...) ** Please keep us updated on your baby. **

PS/ Sabran, puppypwr, mrsjackblack, water101, dopey, and Libby Girl - How are you and your dogs doing?

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2008, 04:43 PM
I'm glad missy is still relishing her meals and enjoying life and her new house! :D She sounds like a real trooper! :grouphug:

As for your question about how long, Priscilla hung in there for about a year...

water101
August 24th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Glad to hear she still up and running. My dog lasted about 2 months or so. He started lossing sense of smell and would not eat because of it. We could getting him to eat soft food, but the sneezing resulted in large amounts of blood all the time. Wishbone had been through a war with the cancer and a few other health issues in his life so sadly it came to an end on July 1. He went happy in our back yard after eating 2 Macdonals hamburgers we was set free family and loved ones by his side. It hurt and still does but he is no longer in apin and trying to please us like he did his whole life. We have since gotten a puppy to help our other dog who was by Wishbones side for 4 years. She took it very hard and after a few weeks was not doing well. The best solution we could come up with was another pup for her to play with and it did the job very well. The 2 dogs are very happy and I am sure Mandy still miss Wishbone but he is happy she has a play mate again, it was hard for him to keep her happy the final month or so.

Thanks for asking

TakenAway2Soon
August 24th, 2008, 10:29 PM
Water101's reply has raised an issue that I've been pondering for the last several months now...

Since losing Barfy, I've been wondering if we should get another playmate for my other little dog, Truffles. As they were constant companions, she took his loss very hard for ~ 3 weeks afterwards spending quite a bit of the time looking and listening for him. Having now adjusted to being the lone dog, I'm wondering if we should get her another companion or would it be best to leave well enough alone?

hazelrunpack
August 24th, 2008, 10:46 PM
How do you feel about a new dog? Truffles sounds like she's pretty adaptable and will do well as either the only dog or with another canine buddy.

missy322
August 26th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Both sides of Missys nose are clogged so I didnt think she could smell but maybe she can. I cant help but feel like the end is coming soon, she seems to get worse and then all of a sudden she'll chipper up again. It is so hard looking at her with how bad her eye looks, it doesnt even move anymore. She started with the bump and bleeding in the beginning of March and back then the vet said maybe 5 months. I just worry that she is suffering and we dont know. :shrug:
What I do know is that I am thankful I have found this thread to communicate with other people who are going through or have gone through the same thing. :grouphug:

TakenAway2Soon
August 26th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Missy322 - In reply to your statement --> I just worry that she is suffering and we dont know.

I guess dogs are like people... They have good days and bad days. The criteria I would use is that if her tail is still wagging & she's glad to see you, then she is probably not suffering. Uncomfortable maybe but not suffering.

I knew my dog had taken a turn for the worst when he would yelp when I picked him up. Also, he would stand perfectly still and seem to be staring at something but his eyes didn't seem to be focused.

water101
August 26th, 2008, 08:17 PM
With our dog he started not to eat and seemed to not be interested in things any more and it was like he was doing what he felt we wanted. Once the bad days out number the good days I started to prepare myself strongly for the end. We went out of town on a baseball tournament and I forunatley said my good byes before I left just in case. It turned out that the next day after we left he stopped trying. I should say that when we were leaving he was not interested at all that day. His end came on the 2nd day we were away. I knew I had to let him go and he was happy I believe that we were gone so he could let himself go. The dog will tell you in their own way when the time is up. Best of luck and ejoy every minute you have left and above all spoil them rotten I did and I am glad I did.

missy322
August 27th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Thank you both for that advice, it certainly does make sense. And I must say, I will continue to spoil her till the day she can no longer be spoiled!! ;)

nlrmela
September 15th, 2008, 02:04 PM
I have a 12 yo Husky, he started bleeding from the nose yesterday, today, he had another nose bleed, he is disoriented, his left eye is not moving, his right eye is bouncing all over, he cannot turn his head, and the left eye has blood in it. HE is at the vet now, and they will call when they know something. the waiting is making me crazy! Has anyone ever had a pet with all these symptoms??

Thanks

TakenAway2Soon
September 15th, 2008, 04:19 PM
nlrmela - No, I'm not going to be much help. My dog had several of those symptoms but they were spread out off & on over 5 months. Please let us know what the vet has to say when you hear back. In the meantime, I'll be thinking about you and your dog & hoping for a good report!

skipper423
September 24th, 2008, 09:46 PM
I have a 13 year old mutt who's been with me for only 9 months. She started her nose bleed two nights ago and I thought they filmed CSI at my place without telling me. There were blood splatters all over the place, I more or less hoped that it'd stop but this morning it got worse. Because of typhoon we weren't able to go and see the vet. I am worried sick and I feel so bad because she's had a very hard life. She's been living on a construction site for god knows how long and she came home with me in Dec 2007. I hope that God will give her several good years before taking her back. Please pray for us.http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/cooking_papa/032208160926.jpg

Taken when she first came home, very shy but sweet.

axgray
October 23rd, 2008, 07:26 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am new to this thread. My dog, Willy was diagnosed with nasal carcinoma the end of June. I've had two bleeds but since I starated to make all his food grain free and treat him holistically he's been doing well. Lately, aat night he starts to choke and has trouble getting his breath. This wakens me and I spend a lot of time trying to comfort him in the middle of the night. Has anyone else experienced this?

I feel I need to make a plan for palliative care. Has anyone done this?

Thanks for listening.

Andrea

hazelrunpack
October 23rd, 2008, 10:59 PM
I have a 13 year old mutt who's been with me for only ten months, two days ago I came home and found blood splatters on the floor, walls and couch , I thought they came and did CSI at my place without telling me. I more or less hoped that it'd go away but this morning I woke up and blood was all over the place, my bedroom, the living room..........After reading this thread, I am really scared, she's such a sweet girl, having had a very hard life. She was a stray and had been living on a construction site for most of her life. I found her last year and brought her home. I pray to God that he's spare her and give her at least one or two years good times before taking her back. We have an appointment with the vet tonight and please please pray for us.


:grouphug: I'm sorry I missed your post. How did the vet visit go? And how is MuiMui? :goodvibes: :pray:

hazelrunpack
October 23rd, 2008, 11:06 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am new to this thread. My dog, Willy was diagnosed with nasal carcinoma the end of June. I've had two bleeds but since I starated to make all his food grain free and treat him holistically he's been doing well. Lately, aat night he starts to choke and has trouble getting his breath. This wakens me and I spend a lot of time trying to comfort him in the middle of the night. Has anyone else experienced this?

I feel I need to make a plan for palliative care. Has anyone done this?

Thanks for listening.

Andrea

Hi, Andrea. Sorry you're going through this. :grouphug:

Is Willy lying somehow differently at night than when he sleeps during the day?

We had a dog with a different type of cancer--a hemangiosarcoma. The discomfort he felt from it when it hit his lungs was well-controlled with Rimadyl, which was the newest NSAID available at the time. Have you talked to your vet about pain management for Willy? There are a number of newer NSAIDs (Etogesic, Deramaxx, etc...) and other pain meds available now. If Willy is uncomfortable, they may offer him some relief.

Best of luck with Willy, Andrea. I know I don't have to tell you to spoil him rotten. :o He sounds like he's in loving hands. :grouphug:

Please keep us posted. :goodvibes:

sabran
October 29th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Another update on my dog. She has a lot of discharge out of her right nostril, she'll get a bloody nose here and there, and is starting to get a bump on the top of her nose. But most importantly, nine months after being diagnosed with a nasal tumor...she's still with me. I never thought she would make it this long.

I highly recommend giving a dog diagnosed with a nasal tumor NSAID. Mine takes deramaxx. As my vet says, there are studies that show NSAID might slow the progession of the tumor and/or shrink it. If it doesn't do either, the one thing it does do is give the dog pain relief and an appetite.

From morning to night she's two different dogs. Every morning she looks like this is it....then by late afternoon she's back to being a little rascal. The only problem I have is trying to get her to eat mid-morning to give her the pill. Right now, the best thing working for her is mashed potatoes with cheese!!

This is from WSU Veterinary school....

An exciting and simple treatment of cancer is the class of drugs previously known as NSAIDís but now more commonly referred to as COX-1 and COX-2 inhibitors. Nearly any NSAID has the ability to benefit any cancer patient through immune modulatory, pro-apoptotic, and anti-angiogenic effects, not to mention pain control. These drugs also act through suppression of cyclo-oxygenase (COX) 2. Many tumors, predominately carcinomas, have upregulated COX-2 and blocking the enzyme can help with tumor control. Piroxicam has been the drug most researched clinically, but theoretically any of the newer NSAIDís with greater specificity for COX-2 could give equal or better effects. Never underestimate the power of these drugs. The use of COX-2 inhibitors is one of the hottest areas of cancer research going at the moment and the whole thing started with an accidental discovery in dogs.

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/deptsOncology/vets/new.aspx

TakenAway2Soon
October 29th, 2008, 06:45 PM
[QUOTE=sabran;683935]

"I highly recommend giving a dog diagnosed with a nasal tumor NSAID. Mine takes deramaxx. As my vet says, there are studies that show NSAID might slow the progession of the tumor and/or shrink it. If it doesn't do either, the one thing it does do is give the dog pain relief and an appetite."


Sabran - Alas, your advice was 6 months too late for my sweet little dog but I'm so glad that had it's working for your baby.

Keep us updated! Hugs to you and your "rascal."

sabran
November 1st, 2008, 08:39 AM
[QUOTE=sabran;683935]

"I highly recommend giving a dog diagnosed with a nasal tumor NSAID. Mine takes deramaxx. As my vet says, there are studies that show NSAID might slow the progession of the tumor and/or shrink it. If it doesn't do either, the one thing it does do is give the dog pain relief and an appetite."


Sabran - Alas, your advice was 6 months too late for my sweet little dog but I'm so glad that had it's working for your baby.

Keep us updated! Hugs to you and your "rascal."

Sorry I couldn't help you. But maybe somewhere along the line..this information will help someone. The internet has become a great tool for health..both in human and animals.

Back in May I posted the story on this thread about the roller coaster ride I went through with her. It's been a very stressful journey of not knowing what was next. All the vet will say is..she'll have nose bleeds and one day they won't stop. Also, there come a time when the deramaxx will stop working. In the beginning every nose bleed I thought was the big one. Every morning I thought she wasn't going to make it through the day.

Because of the longevity of her illness, I've become less anxious in dealing with the her problems. Like a person at the end of the life...I want her to enjoy the time she has left. It's hard...knowing that this will eventually do her in. I've learned not to focus so much on the end and enjoy the time she's still with me.

hazelrunpack
November 1st, 2008, 09:27 AM
It sounds like you're giving her a great life, sabran! :grouphug:

:goodvibes: that the Deramaxx works its magic a lot longer!

rutherford4
November 4th, 2008, 02:23 PM
I have a 1 years old female mini doxie Mia that for the last month has frequent nose bleeds out of one nostril. I have taken her to the vet and he went into her nose thinking that it might be a foxtail. He wasn't able to find anything up there but did notice inflamation. We did the steroid shot and that lasted 2 weeks and then we did it again and that on only lasted 1 week. Now we are doing predisone 2x a day and that seems to be doing the trick. At this time my vet is stumped at what could be causing this because she is a healthy, very active and only 1 years old. We are thinking that there might be a growth up there. Is there anyone that might have some insight on what I should have done. Thanks.

puppypwr
November 4th, 2008, 02:56 PM
You didn't do anything wrong, don't second guess yourself. You can only deal with what is. Your vet has checked for a foriegn object, that's good. If the predisone is working that's even better.
If you are concerned of a growth, talk to your vet. If the situation doesn't feel right, go with your gut. A 3D X-ray and scope are how we found our answer.
I wish you best of luck.
:pawprint:

rutherford4
November 10th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Thank you puppypwr for the words of encourgement. We have be referred to the UC Davis animal hospital and have an appt on Wed. We are praying that it is something simple and that she will be okay.:pray:

hazelrunpack
November 10th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Good luck on Wednesday, rutherford4! :goodvibes:

:fingerscr for something simple and easily taken care of! :grouphug:

MommyLovesYou
November 23rd, 2008, 12:55 AM
To all,

I went on the internet to find a reason for my kittens symptoms, and found this forum. Let me tell you first of all, you are all such kind and heart warming people, I sat in from of my laptop and was just breath taken by your stories and advice for each other, it was amazing to find so many people coming together and helping one another. my heart goes out to all of you.

My reason for searching was last night i found an ad on the internet for kittens who needed homs in my town and responded. I have a kitten (Jangkins) who i thought may enjoy a friend. I got a quick response from this kitten woman stating they were still available and where she could drop one off for me. She came by this morning with our families new member (Cypora), who looked to be quite healthy from the look of her. After spending some time with her i realized she has worms... i left the room to put a load of laundry in and when i came back her eye was dripping, i quickly washed it with a warm cloth and left to get worm meds for her. When i returned i found her laying on our living room chair with a nose bleed.

After cleaning her and giving her a nice bath, she was back to normal and playing about as kittens do. Until an hour later i heard her crying, I found her in a corner crying and trying to pass her stool. I tried to get her to the litter box in time but on our way she went, which is fine I dont mind cleaning after her under the circumstances, but her stool was covered in blood.

All in all I'm not sure what to say she has but am so afraid to take my wee one to the vet, and am dreading monday. After just a few hours with Cypora, i cant stand to think of our home without her. But am also very wrried about my other wee one Jangkins, as i dont know if she may get whatever this may be. Please, any help is appreciated and definately welcomed. My son and I dont want to let our little ones go.

:cry::pawprint:

hazelrunpack
November 23rd, 2008, 01:17 AM
Definitely get them to the vet as soon as you can! I don't know much about kittens, but I do know that worms are very treatable with the proper meds. Over the counter stuff is usually not strong enough to fix the problem, and some worms require specific medicine. So taking the new little one in to the vet for a definite diagnosis is the way to go! :thumbs up The vet may also recommend that Jangkins be treated, too.

The bloody stool may just be from worms, but there may be other causes to look into as well.

Is Cypora eating and drinking normally?

If you want to get more advice, you might want to start a thread in the Cat Health Forum with a descriptive title. More members will see it there--especially members who have experience with cats.

Good luck with your kitties! :goodvibes: Don't be afraid to take your little newbie to the vet--the sooner she gets proper meds, the easier it'll be on all of you!

And welcome to the board.

louisetara
January 3rd, 2009, 06:10 AM
hi, we have just been told the horrrid news yesterday that our german shepherd dog,tara has cancer in her nose, i cannot stop crying at the thought of losing her, she is 6 and is my best friend and shadow, we walk all over together she follows me in the house, i cannot cope without her, she is my best friend, she is quite poorly at the moment i think, as her nose is slightly blocked both sides with blood and she is mainly breathing through her mouth, the vet wanted to put her to sleep yesterday but i said no and we made the appointment for monday, i dont know how i am going to do this, but i know i cannot let her suffer, but one min she looks poorly and is heavy breathing and she sort of lays with her head up and eyes close and i dont think she is sleeping much, but she is still eating and drinking, and her tail is wagging, then she livens up and we think she is getting better, does anyone think she could get better, i am dreading having her put to sleep at the thought that she may get better.
this started around 3 months ago with a sneeze and a nose bleed, the vet has done an xray and said the results were inconclusive so he sent a swab of her nose off, and now says it is cancer, can he be 100% right just by doin these tests,
thankyou..

hazelrunpack
January 3rd, 2009, 11:28 AM
Unfortunately, louisetara, if the vet gets lucky with a collection of cells, yes they can definitely diagnose this :sad: Did you get a copy of the lab report? If you have any doubts at all, ask for a copy and take it to another vet for a second opinion.

I know this is so hard for you. :grouphug: But try to stay strong. Your girl is going to be confused by your sorrow now. You'll have time to grieve later--right now you need to help your girl live her last few days. Spoil her rotten and spend as much time with her as you can. You can afford to wait a few days if you want the second opinion, but move quickly so you can make your decision, whichever way you decide. Time is probably not going to be on your side here. :sad:

Does she seem to be in much pain? NSAIDs can be prescribed by your vet and are very helpful in pain management. Just remember to give them to her with food because they're hard on the stomach.

I'm so sorry you're going through this. It is such a shock when you get a diagnosis like this. :grouphug: It takes some time to wrap your mind around it. So listen to your heart, too, and listen to what your girl tells you. If you make a decision in love and with the interest of the dog, you can't go wrong. :grouphug:

Best wishes, Louise. Please keep us posted.

louisetara
January 4th, 2009, 11:49 AM
hi, thank you for replying, the thing is that i have read on the internet that most dogs with cancer in the nose have lots of heavy nose bleeds, were as tara has only had one mild nose bleed, and then maybe a tiny bit of mixed blood and mucas every other day, her face is swollen under her eye and on her nose and her eyes are really weeping, i am just hoping for someone to say it is aspergillosis which i have read about on the internet which i think has very similar smptoms, but the vet obviously thinks otherwise, and its getting too late as she is due to go to sleep forever at 11.10 in the morning, i cant stand the pain i am feeling now and i have yet the worst to come, i dont think she is in pain, although she is restless and sleeps with her head up, and since the vet did the xray and swabbed her nose she now has mucas and blood in both nostrils and making strange sounds when breathing, she is taking medrone tablets,
please pray for a miracle for my baby girl,xx

hazelrunpack
January 4th, 2009, 12:13 PM
hi, thank you for replying, the thing is that i have read on the internet that most dogs with cancer in the nose have lots of heavy nose bleeds, were as tara has only had one mild nose bleed, and then maybe a tiny bit of mixed blood and mucas every other day, her face is swollen under her eye and on her nose and her eyes are really weeping, i am just hoping for someone to say it is aspergillosis which i have read about on the internet which i think has very similar smptoms, but the vet obviously thinks otherwise, and its getting too late as she is due to go to sleep forever at 11.10 in the morning, i cant stand the pain i am feeling now and i have yet the worst to come, i dont think she is in pain, although she is restless and sleeps with her head up, and since the vet did the xray and swabbed her nose she now has mucas and blood in both nostrils and making strange sounds when breathing, she is taking medrone tablets,
please pray for a miracle for my baby girl,xx

If you aren't certain about the euthanasia, louise, talk with the vet about it. It's your decision--and if you aren't sure about it, you'll fret about it later. However, if your vet found identifiable cancer cells, which look much different than fungal-infected cells, it's pretty definitely cancer.

Are there any specialists close to you that could follow up on the aspergillosis angle? If there are, a referral from your vet will get you in quicker or perhaps your vet can fax the lab results on the cells he saw to a specialist. Veterinary teaching hospitals are a great resource.

Good luck, Louise. This is so difficult for you, I know :grouphug:

Buzz Lightyear
January 12th, 2009, 10:27 PM
I'm the very proud owner and buddy with a yellow lab named Buzz.

He's 12 and up until about a year ago, nothing had slowed him down. Old age started to creep in; hearing problems, arthritis, a bit more anxiety. However, he still had that spirit and goofy love that a lab has.

I got him as a private rescue. The local animal control officer is a friend who found him for me when I bought my first house. He needed a new home, because he was too much for the previous owner.

Anyway.. about a month or two ago he developed what we thought were allergies. Sneezing, occasional stuffiness. Etc. I had brought him to the vet for a check up and oddly enough the kennel vaccine (nasal vaccine) so we could go to the dog park (he had gotten kennel cough there over the summer).

Doctor and I talked about giving him Claritan, which we did.

It helped for a while. He would still have bouts of congestion and sneezing. When he has a really bad sneeze, he would hit his snout off the ground really hard! Well, he started getting nose bleeds around christmas time and I assumed it was from his sneezes. His hearing also got really bad, but I figured he was just getting older.

Then last week, I noticed a lump on the side of his nose about 3/4 of the way down his snout towards his head. Around the same time, he was really having a hard time breathing through his nose at times (just awful sounding heaving and wheezing). I figured bad allergies and gave him nasal saline drops (it seemed to help).

When I noticed the lump (about an inch long and protrudes about 1/4 inch) I knew it was something else and searched for nasal cancer.

Today, we went to the vet. She advises that it could be an infection, but because the lump is so very distinct, it was more than likely cancer.

Knowing ahead of time didn't help, even though I wasn't sure.

Tomorrow we go for an xray series while he's under sedation. They will more than likely biopsy it as well. No food after midnight (which for a lab is just torture), so we both snacked on some yummies and just hung around like the buddies we are!

Reading these posts have helped me better prepare for tomorrow and the months (weeks??) to come.

As a young dog, he was SO wild and crazy (in the good way), goofy and what my dutch great grandmother would call "mukksus (probably not how it's spelled if it is a real word, but she explained it meant goofy, dumb and lovable)". So full of life!

I wont watch him be in pain and suffer. No way. As much as it pains me, I will do the right thing for him and help him on his journey onward.

I'll be with him until the end, as loyal to him as he was to me. No wait, I could never match his loyalty, dogs are truly an amazing breed.

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Okay.. had to get that and a good cry out.

Does anyone have experience with Proxicam? I think that's how it's spelled?

Thanks and thanks for giving me a forum to put these words down.


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ScottieDog
January 12th, 2009, 11:01 PM
I want to send my prayers to Buzz (and you) tomorrow. I know how difficult having a seriously ill pet can be. :pray:

I noticed you were asking about a drug you called "Proxicam". Please check the spelling; I have experience with piroxicam. PLEASE research this drug well and know any and all side effects this medicine can cause. Be prepared. PLEASE.

The reason I stress this is that my beloved little Scottish Terrier was prescribed piroxicam to treat suspected Transitional Cell Carcinoma for bladder cancer--she had a precancerous growth removed and the bladder wall remained thickened. My little dog was in fragile health when she began this treatment. It is important to know that. She was being treated for bacterial hepatitis at the same time. Her liver could not process the medication and it sent her into kidney failure. Piroxicam is an NSAID and one side effect is stomach ulcers. I called her internal medicine vet when she began vomiting and not eating. The vet began treating her for stomach ulcers. By the time we realized she was in kidney failure, she had so much damage there was little that could be done to help her. She spent the majority of her last few weeks in ICU being hydrated, only to come home a few days and back to ICU. We lost our little girl. In order to make our decision to let her go, the specialty vet did a final ultrasound. The piroxicam did work--her bladder wall was normal. Unfortunately her kidneys were gone, her liver was failing and she was bleeding in the GI tract. Remember, my dog was in bad health when she began her treatment. She lost her spleen the year prior and had many severe infections (including the hepatitis). It is probable that her kidneys were already damaged, but not severe enough to be seen on bloodwork (it takes 70-75% failure to show up on the blood panel).

I don't want to scare you away from this medication. It is used successfully to treat some cancers. But please know the risks involved. Please, have your dog's blood drawn very frequently to test the kidney function. It took less than 3 weeks for this medication to poison my dog. She fought bravely for about 6 weeks afterward, but could not recover. Just please, be careful....

:candle:Tipper--in my heart:candle:

hazelrunpack
January 12th, 2009, 11:15 PM
I'm so sorry to hear about Buzz. :grouphug: You sound like a wonderful advocate for him.

And he sounds like a wonderful buddy!

Good luck tomorrow, Buzz Lightyear. :goodvibes: You'll both be in my prayers tonight. Give Buzz a big hug for me!

Buzz Lightyear
January 13th, 2009, 02:57 PM
Just got the call from the vet. It's cancer.

The next step would be a rhino and biopsy, but they can't do it there. The vet did take a look and is certain it's a tumor, his white count is fine (so it's not an infection).

I'm meeting with the vet after 5pm to talk about Buzz and what's going on. See if I can get a timeline and some other advice on timing and such.

Sad, my little girl is already asking where he is and his human mom is devastated.

My initial thoughts are to take him home; get him groomed and handsome; spoil him with all his favorite treats and just make him as comfortable and happy as possible.

When it's time, help him to the next part and be there with him when he goes.

In between the tears my wife and I were talking about what to do with him after he passes. I said I wanted to take some of his ashes to his favorite places; dog park, the lake; our yard.

She said, don't forget this neighbor's front yard, this other neighbor's back yard, the entire route to the lake (where we would find him if he ran off as a youngster), and especially by the neighbor's garbage cans! :)

Funny how some of the times he made me the angriest now make me smile....then cry.

ScottieDog
January 13th, 2009, 03:29 PM
Buzz Lightyear, I am so sorry you didn't get good news.:cry:

I can tell that you love him so very much. I wish my little Tipper had been well enough to have been groomed so she could cross as the beautiful girl she was. I think it is a good idea to have him looking his best if he is feeling well enough.

It is good that you can plan and prepare for what is to come. It will still hit you in the gut like someone punched you, but if you can plan and prepare, you can be in control. We were able to plan where we wanted to bury Tipper, get her an appropriate "casket" and have her special toys and blanket with her. I found comfort in this.

It will be hard for your family. Make sure your daughter understands as much as she is able. I don't know her age, but she will grieve and may not understand. One thing that really helped me was to write a letter to my little girl. I buried her with this. I just had to let her know how much she meant to me. If your daughter is really young, she might want to draw a picture. Make sure she understands that Buzz will always be in your hearts.

I'll keep your family and sweet Buzz in my thoughts and prayers. Remember, the most important thing is quality in life--not quantity. I hope your consult later today can give some encouragement.

hazelrunpack
January 13th, 2009, 10:37 PM
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear the news about Buzz. :sad:

Your plan is a good one--love him, pamper him, do the things he loves to do. Try to stay positive for him--there will be time to grieve later. Help him live now and help him cross when the time comes.

I love your description of his favorite places... It brought a smile to my face...something I don't get often enough in this thread. :grouphug:

You keep us posted on how things are going, okay? If you need to vent, to rant, to talk or a just shoulder to cry on, we're here.

Your family and Buzz are in my thoughts and prayers.

:candle:

BaileyJo
January 26th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Hello All, I have been a silent partner in this will all of you for a few weeks. Our 11 y.o. lab Bailey has all the signs that explained in this post, nosebleeds, lump on her nose, hard breathing and all the enthusiasm & energy of a 3 y.o. Ya gotta love labs.

We have been to our vet 3 times and nothing has been found on the nose/lump issue. A blood test has been done, as has an xray, nose scope and specimen of the fluid in the lump and besides high blood pressure, the tests have been inconclusive.

Baily was put on Prednisone & Enalapril, one is for the high blood pressure, I don't remember which. My vet is more concerned with kidney disease because of the high blood pressure than the nosebleeds. Well in the last few days, the nosebleeds have gotten worse, but I feel my vet has no idea how to stop them. Is there any idea how to stop them? I read in the last few pages that a cool compress on the head may help, but we have noticed that the nosebleeds get worse when we let her out, and it's pretty cold here in Mid Mich, so were not too sure that will work.

Has anyone had any luck keeping the nosebleeds from happening?

Thx all, and I feel for everyone of you and your pets...

hazelrunpack
January 26th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Welcome to the board, BaileyJo. Sorry to hear about Bailey :grouphug:

The cool compresses might still help Bailey. The reason the bleeding is worse when she goes outside is probably due to the low humidity. A humidifier may help in the house, as well.

:goodvibes: for you and your girl! :grouphug:

BaileyJo
January 26th, 2009, 10:12 PM
Thx for the reply. I'll give the cool compresses and a humidifier a try. I hope they help, we hate seeing her that way...

hazelrunpack
January 26th, 2009, 10:47 PM
Running hot water in the shower for a few minutes a few times a day and simmering a pan of water on the stove can add some humidity if you don't have a humidifier.

JDFlea
January 29th, 2009, 02:01 PM
Hello to all,
hope you will allow me to share my story as well. I've been following for awhile, and needed to share with people who'd understand. It has been so easy to relate to so many of the posts here that I won't get into all the names of those with the closest experiences...but just know that my thoughts are with you all. :candle: :grouphug:

Shrek (for Big Loveable Ogre:dog:) the Great Dane is my pride and joy:cloud9:, my world, and my shadow. He's barely 5 years old and in December he started to have nosebleeds out of his right nostril. I was convinced it was because our house was so dry (I got static off the wall once!) and my nose was a bit sore, so I went out and got a humidifyer (Which helped). I also thought the cold temperatures we've had could have irritated things. We had a few bleeds in succession and used a cold compress to help stop them. We took Shrek to the vet and he said it was unlikely the weather and dryness were to blame and he hadn't seen a case of that yet, but if they did not return not to worry. He hoped it might be the first case, but said it was usually caused by fungus or tumors. The nose bleeds stopped for a few weeks.

Well, they returned. :sad: One or two a day for a few days, not as bad. One even started and stopped while on a walk. He seemed happy and not to notice the bloody marks he left while sniffing at the snow. (I thought somebody is going to think something terrible happened here!) Luckily we managed to get him a rush appointment with the vet on Christmas Eve. He was great and said he was still hopeful :pray: that it was may be a foreign object or fungus. And he referred us to a clinic that had specialists who had the proper endoscopy equipment and a CT scanner.

About a week ago we got the bad news, Shrek has a very hard tumor that has grown accross the right side and is making it's way over to the left, we were referred to a cancer specialist whom we saw yesterday. We were still :fingerscr , but the options were grim. :cry: His cancer is such a 'primitive' cell that they couldn't discern what type of cancer it was! -Not a good sign and points to aggressive progression. It has characteristics of two cancers Adenocarcinoma and Osteocarcinoma.

Sat Jan 24th the change came - the pink strings of mucous started and they were so frequent, I'd wake up to clean his nose. He'd had the biopsy, so irritation and some bleeding were no surprise. Sometimes the mucous is fairly clear with a slight yellowish tinge to it. It's becoming less frequent now, but over the last week, he's progressively been more snuffly, and over the last two days occasionally mouth breathes. He never did more than the occasional sneeze. His breathing is starting sometimes to sound grumbly. But he is still able to rest once he finds the right position and likes to lie on the bed with his head propped on me or a pillow. :sleepy: He still wants to go out/eat/drink/go for walks.

Just like some of you I was told the closest place that had the proper type of radiation therapy (couldn't be cobalt, it had to be more targeted as it was so close to his eyes/brain) was in the :usa: and we're in :ca: . I was told he would need to be there for a month, and it would likely burn his mouth and nose (like a sunburn but worse) and that although that would heal many dogs stop eating and need a feeding tube. If we were going to go for this, a another type of test would need to be done to see if the type of cancer could be pinpointed as one type of cancer needs surgery first and the other is the opposite. The surgery would be major. And he would need followed-up with chemo. And, even with all this the cancer would almost certainly return.

The next option was Metacam (an NSAID) in conjunction with chemo. This would be palliative so no surgery would be done. Although the chemo is a lesser dosage than with people, and would likely not affect his quality of life, they told me that as a large breed, Shrek would be at increased risk of heart trouble and his heart would need to be checked at intervals and given an ultrasound on occasion. Figured this would just prolong his discomfort and possibly add a heart complication.

The final option would be just Metacam alone to provide some pain relief/anti-inflamatory and possibly slow the growth of the tumor. This is the one I chose. :shrug: It is so easy to second guess yourself, you always hope that your dog could be the one that would not have the cancer return, but I am trying to be realistic and not put him through a whole lot of suffering for a few extra months. Quality of life over quantity:cloud9:.

On a happier note, right now he is sound asleep on my bed :sleepy: with his head propped up on my pillow! Sometimes he likes to use me as the pillow. :cloud9: Needless to say he is being spoiled rotten! And last night enjoyed some homemade minced pork pie. :lovestruck:

I'm sorry this is so long! But EVERY single one of the posts here has helped me, and I needed to share Shrek's story incase someone can use any of the info. :sorry: that anybody has to go through this, but at least there is somewhere we can go where people understand. :grouphug:

hazelrunpack
January 29th, 2009, 03:45 PM
Shrek sounds like a wonderful boy. Don't second-guess yourself--it's apparent in your post how much you love him. If you make your decisions in love, you can't go wrong. Go with your heart.

I'm so sorry you and Shrek are having to deal with this :grouphug: You'll both be in my thoughts and prayers. Please keep us updated!

And if you need to talk, we'll be here. :grouphug:

JDFlea
January 29th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Thank you Hazelrunpack :grouphug: your posts are so positive and such a source of comfort.

Shrek certainly has no shortage of love that's for sure! :lovestruck:

Will keep you posted. :pawprint:

hazelrunpack
January 30th, 2009, 12:28 AM
What a gorgeous, huggable boy he is! :flirt: I wish I could be there to help you spoil him rotten. :o

JDFlea
January 30th, 2009, 05:49 PM
Shrek says thank you Hazelrunpack! :dog:

You should SEE the treats he's going to get after dinner! :thumbs up I'll give him one and a hug from you. :goodvibes:

I actually do have a small update for you. I think the Metacam is working for him, last night he actually played with a tennis ball! And today he was perkier, more animated, and more himself. His breathing still sounds pretty bad sometimes, but it's nice to see him looking less :sick: !

Hope all is well with your lovely pups! Will check in soon.

hazelrunpack
January 30th, 2009, 09:27 PM
I'm glad the Metacam is helping! :goodvibes: for lots more good play days!

And you can give him hugs from me any day of the week :cloud9:

ScottieDog
January 30th, 2009, 09:36 PM
JDFlea, I just wanted to say that Shrek is a very handsome and impressive fellow. I can feel your love for him in your posts. It takes so much strength to share your story and pain. I know that your bravery will help others.

I hope the medicine works for Shrek for a very long time. You are so right, it is all about quality. Love him everyday. He is a special guy.

JDFlea
February 1st, 2009, 01:52 PM
Thank you ScottieDog,

:fingerscr

It can be hard to make the jump and post, and I hope that anyone in the wings who is contemplating sharing their story does. I'm glad I did, people like you ScottieDog and Hazelrunpack help you to know that you're not alone. It's also so nice to see so many people who :lovestruck: their furkids so much, and who are willing to share their advice and experiences with others.

:grouphug:

JDFlea
February 1st, 2009, 01:55 PM
BaileyJo how is Bailey holding up? :candle:

Buzz Lightyear
February 19th, 2009, 10:39 PM
Last night I took my boy for his final visit at the vets.

I was away on business for three days and my wife had been telling me he was getting worse, but was keeping from me how much worse.

Anyway, got home real late on Tuesday night and his tumor had grown to four times the size it was on sunday. He was struggling, seemed lethargic and he had been losing weight.

It was time.

My beautiful and amazing wife made a wonderful blanket for Buzz. Ironing on pictures of all of us and him, and stitching on "we love you buzz" in nice raised letters.

We got to the vet who had a special room set aside for us... We cuddled and held him on that blanket as he was finally at peace.

It's hard.. so hard.

But as he slowly went to sleep I thought of all the wonderful times and joy we shared and whispered to him about how much we all loved him...

When he was gone, he was so beautiful. Finally at peace. Just the beautiful yellow lab with the yellow eyes that I love.

It was the hardest "right" thing i've ever done in my life.

Thanks everyone for you kind words.

Buzz we all love you.

hazelrunpack
February 19th, 2009, 11:00 PM
Buzz was a very lucky boy to have been part of your family Buzz Lightyear :grouphug: I'm so sorry for your loss. You made him a part of your life and he'll always live in your hearts.

You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

:candle: Buzz

JDFlea
February 20th, 2009, 12:38 AM
So sorry about Buzz, :cry: he is beautiful. What a wonderful gesture the blanket that your wife made was. I'm sure though it may have seemed short, that his life was full of fun and love. You and your family obviously cared for him very much, and I'm sure that he knew that. :grouphug:

juniorlover
March 10th, 2009, 01:58 PM
I just found out my old pal Junior has a nasal tumor. After reading all of your
sad accounts of this same affliction I have nearly used a full box of kleenex. Junior's nose started bleeding on March 6, just dripping and he was sneezing alot with some blood splattering. It went away after 24 hours and today he started again, same symptoms, I took him to my Vet and he thought it was probably a tumor. I am not going to put Junior through a scope and biopsy as I have read all of your stories. Also Junior just had a full dental and labs just 2 weeks ago, he has no other symptoms. I am afraid to go anywhere and leave him alone for fear he will be in distress and die alone. He is a nearly 14 year old Bassett. We couldn't ask for a more loyal or loveable friend. I am already missing him and haven't had to make the decision yet!
Junior has been through so much, he had vestibular syndrome in Sept. 07, and hasn't been able to take walks or use stairs for two years since he developed degerative disc and hip disease. We have ramps all around our house to accomodate him and carry his funny shaped body of 50 pounds as needed too! I'll stay posted to see if anyone has advise for me.

juniorlover
March 10th, 2009, 02:54 PM
My Vet put Junior on Vitamin K to help stop the bleeding. Has anyone heard or tried this? He already takes Rimadyl for arthritis, and I don't think it would be safe to put him on another anti-inflammatory? thanks

hazelrunpack
March 10th, 2009, 03:34 PM
I'm sorry you and Junior are going through this, juniorlover. :grouphug:

I hadn't thought of Vitamin K supplements to help this sort of bleeding. Please let us know how it works.

Occasionally a dog will get a grass awn stuck in their nasal passage that works into the tissue and causes bleeding. Sometimes the awn can be flushed out during a rhinoscopy. If there's a possibility that this might be Junior's problem, you might want to discuss the possibility with your vet. :o

Most of the NSAIDs, like Rimadyl, can affect bleeding, so if he's tolerating the Rimadyl well, I wouldn't change it. Also, I think Rimadyl has about a week wash-out time before it might be safe to put him on another type of NSAID without risking gastric upset/bleeding.

Cool compresses might help stem the bleeding a bit. Also, if your air is very dry, a humidifier might soothe Junior's nasal passages.

Best wishes, juniorlover. :grouphug: Let us know how it goes, and remember to appreciate every precious moment you share with Junior!

juniorlover
March 11th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Thanks for the suggestions hazelrunpack. Junior is doing better today. A few drops of blood and some sneezing but no acute bleeding. He is taking the vitamin k, maybe it is helping. I talked to the vet about the rhinoscopy and have decided to wait a few more days to see how things go. I'll be in touch.......

hazelrunpack
March 11th, 2009, 10:24 PM
Glad to hear he's improved a bit :goodvibes:

Give Junior a hug and a kiss from hazel, pls :o

JDFlea
March 13th, 2009, 12:41 AM
Hello Juniorlover,

Glad Junior is doing better!

I hope that it is a foreign body or something like a fungus that is treatable :fingerscr (Shrek's vet was hoping it was fungus and not a tumor). I haven't used vitamin K, but I hope it helps. The rhinoscopy can be quite costly and isn't pleasant, and I can understand why you wouldn't want to put Junior through it especially since he is an older boy already dealing with other ailments; but I know in Shrek's case it gave me closure to know for sure that we weren't dealing with something like a fungus or foreign body.

Hazelrunpack, you might be able to comment on this, or Juniorlover you could ask your vet...if a CT scan or x-ray be able to give any kind of helpful result without the rhinoscopy? Or would they be an added stress, cost, and not much use? (I know they're not as effective or conclusive as when they are used in conjunction with the rhinoscopy...but it was just a thought to perhaps get you more information incase you decided you didn't want to do the rhinoscopy.)

Like Hazelrunpack said, the humidifier can help, and when the bleeds start I don't know what I'd do without my cold compress!

I don't know if my post helped :shrug:, but Junior sounds like a lovely and special boy. And we'll be thinking of you both. :candle:

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p.s. Hazelrunpack, Shrek is still going! I'll write an update soon.

hazelrunpack
March 13th, 2009, 01:21 AM
Good to hear from you, JDFlea! Looking forward to Shrek's update! :thumbs up

As to the xrays/CT scan...this is just my :2cents:, so take it for what it's worth.

Xrays (whether regular or CT scan) can't tell you for sure if a mass is cancerous. In Priscilla's case, a vague mass showed up in an inaccessible place. To biopsy it would have meant removing a lot of bone from her face so we didn't follow up.

The xray did, however, tell us that there was something there...and in Priscilla's case, since the rhinoscopy was negative and there was no indication of a fungal infection, there was a high probability of it being cancer.

So xrays can be helpful in locating a mass--plus they're fairly inexpensive and can often be taken with the dog under just light sedation. Maybe you want to consider having regular xrays taken to see if a mass is present, juniorlover? If there's one there and it's accessible, a biopsy would give you an answer pretty quickly. If there's nothing showing, maybe there is just an awn stuck up in his nose and it can be flushed. At the very least, an xray might help you decide what direction to take. :shrug:

A CT scan would give a more detailed picture, but is pretty pricey and you'd still have to follow up with a biopsy for a definite answer as to what is going on.

Your vet might have a different take on it...it certainly doesn't hurt to ask about it.

How is the Vitamin K working? Junior still holding his own? :goodvibes:

juniorlover
March 13th, 2009, 05:45 PM
Thanks hazelrunpack and jdflea, it is good to have some dialogue with you both. Junior is doing well at the moment, it has been 3 days since he has had any significant bleeding. He has had a few drops of blood yesterday and today but stops on its own. I will be speaking with my vet on Monday and ask about and xray. thanks for the info!

mrsjackblack
March 16th, 2009, 10:00 PM
hey, it's been a long time since i posted here. it's been a year and a week since killian's first nose bleed and today we had to make the decision i've been dreading. the tumor suddenly spread from his nose into the rest of his head. the right side of his skull was suddenly swollen to twice it's normal size. in one day. it's been hard for him to breath and he's had blood and mucous from his nostrils since his first nose bleed, but he never stopped playing or eating. i kept wondering how i'd know it was time, but i knew this morning, after our night last night it was time. i am beyond sad for us, but happy he is no longer in pain. i know the average lifespan past the first nosebleed is 3-5 months, and feel amazingly blessed to have him for over a year. i just wanted to update and let you all know that they can live longer than the statistics :) i'm sad to see so many new people here, this is an awful cancer. hugs to you all.
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hazelrunpack
March 16th, 2009, 10:08 PM
I'm so sorry, mrsjackblack. :grouphug: Killian was a very lucky boy to have such a doting family.

You're all in my thoughts and prayers tonight!

:candle: Killian

hazelrunpack
March 16th, 2009, 11:17 PM
This thread is just so heartbreaking at times. :cry: My heart goes out to everyone who has to go through this.

mrsjackblack
March 17th, 2009, 12:29 AM
thank you :)
i agree, it is heart breaking, but it's so important. when killian first had symptoms, this thread was the ONLY thing on the internet i could find! this cancer seems to be so rare, and isn't common enough to be on most vet help sites when you look for nosebleeds as a symptom. as i read though this thread, i ended up in tears, because as i read i had figured out what was going on with my boy. i'm so thankful it was here! :) you are amazing to keep up with it too, and be all of our personal cheerleader and shoulder to cry on in the end. :grouphug:

hazelrunpack
March 17th, 2009, 08:52 PM
I wish I'd found something like this when Priscilla's nosebleeds started--we had next to no info at all and half of the info we did get (even from the vets) was misleading or wrong. No one seemed to have any experience with nosebleeds. :sad:

I didn't realize that there was still so little information out there. I'm glad that you found your way here. :grouphug:

JDFlea
March 18th, 2009, 04:20 AM
So sorry to hear about Killian :grouphug:, what a beautiful boy. It is so amazing that you had all that extra time with him. :goodvibes:

That is so true, this is such an amazing thread to have, although it's ashame it has to exist...it would be much better if nobody or no furkid had to go through this.

You and Killian are in my thoughts. :candle:

JDFlea
March 18th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Hello Juniorlover! Glad to hear Junior is still doing well! I hope you'll let us know how he's doing! :fingerscr

JDFlea
March 18th, 2009, 04:53 AM
Hello Hazelrunpack,

Shrek has done so well, considering it was quite awhile ago since the vet thought he'd have 1-3 weeks left. :party: Back then, he'd been having huge nosebleeds at least 3 a day, and had such a big one at the vet's that the Dr was worried if it were to continue that Shrek could go into shock. Shrek's vet has been amazing :angel2:, he phones alot to get updates on Shrek, and somehow (though he's very busy) manages to make us feel like Shrek is his only patient! He tried Shrek on Azithromycin which cleared up his secondary infection, and for we had no significant discharge, and no bleeds. His stomach was doing wonderfully (porridge after his breakfast, and porridge with probiotic natural yoghurt after his dinner has really helped). Shrek also gained back 3 pounds. I was worried after the first course of antibiotics finished, as Shrek looked worse within days, so the vet gave us another 2 courses which isn't the norm, but felt it warranted in Shrek's case (especially with his stomach holding so well). This perked him up again, and he looked amazing. After that he had a rest from the medication, as the discharge had returned. The thickening just in front of his right eye started to grow. The vet gave us some Steroid eye drops, but it didn't help as much as he'd hoped. He tried Shrek on Baytril, but that didn't seem to do much. So, Shrek is back on Azithromycin for the moment. We were starting to think that the bacteria was developing a resistance to the anibiotic, but we found out from a mucous test that there is no resistance showing. He had a bleed the other day, but so far, it hasn't returned :fingerscr. Although his lump is growing at a rather alarming rate now, and we're going week to week. Shrek has been enjoying the spring weather. He's been going on walks, and playing in the yard, and loving being able to lie outside and chew on soup-bones from the butcher. And as you can see, he's still good at taking up the better part of a queen-sized bed. (I had to sleep sideways one night, because he was so peaceful I didn't want to disturb him! LOL!)

hazelrunpack
March 18th, 2009, 03:19 PM
Aw, a sleeping Shrek :flirt: That's definitely a Shrek-sized bed. No room for hoomans! :laughing: He looks so comfy! :cloud9:

You're managing his symptoms so well, JDFlea. :grouphug: I'm glad he's responding well to the antibiotics and the bleeding has subsided a bit. It certainly sounds like he's enjoying himself. :D How great that the weather is cooperating for walks!

And your vet sounds wonderful--a partnership like that is immeasurably helpful!

As always, pass on a kiss and a hug to Shrek for me--and slobbery shnuffles from the Pack, if Shrek doesn't mind a little spittle :o

juniorlover
March 20th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Hello to everyone,
Junior is still occasionally having some bleeding, especially if I let him go outside and sniff around. He is eating and drinking fine, and sleeps alot. He is still on the vitamin K. After a few discussions with my vet who has known Junior through all of his other trials, we have come to a conclusion as a family to not do further tests or treatments. He has lived a longer than normal life for a basset and I think in my heart that he has had enough! He can barely walk around the yard, due to his arthritis, is completely deaf, nearly blind, and just old! We are loving him up constantly, he is never alone more than a couple of hours, even our neighbors are helping to check on him. He has won the hearts of all he has wagged his tail at.
To mrsjackblack: I am so happy that Killian outlived his prognosis that gives us all hope, and I am so sorry for your loss. To Shrek and JDFlea: Hang in there with us we can make it a day at a time! To hazelrunpack: Thanks for the hug and Junior is sending one back to you!

hazelrunpack
March 20th, 2009, 10:42 PM
I can see why he's won so many hearts, and why you're juniorlover--that boy just exudes sweetness! :flirt: He's lucky to have you and your family around to love him. :grouphug:

Best wishes to you and your family and, of course, to Junior. I'll be thinking of you. Please check in every once in a while, okay?

JDFlea
March 21st, 2009, 11:09 AM
Shrek says :thankyou: for the shnuffles and hug and kiss Hazelrun and the pack! :cloud9: He sends back a big lean (he leans on people he likes), bow, and clean nose kisses all round. :lovestruck:
(LOL! Shrek's Dad will be back soon, and I think we may need to get a Kingsized bed by then, or someone will have to sleep on the floor! :eek: And I don't think it will be Shrek! :laughing: ... and I think I should buy shares in Kleenex. :crazy: )

Hi Juniorlover, thanks for the support! :grouphug: Great pic of Junior! I love bassets! So great he's able to get so much attention and love. :cloud9: I see how he could easily win the hearts of those around him. Please give us updates, we'll be thinking of you both. :candle:

hazelrunpack
March 21st, 2009, 09:20 PM
I love leans :cloud9: :thankyou:

I don't think the king-sized bed will help, though--we've found out that dogs tend to expand into the space available, so no matter how much you provide, Shrek will fill it all! :laughing: And he'll look might fine doing it! :flirt:

JDFlea
March 22nd, 2009, 12:20 PM
:laughing: That's true! There's no point in spending the extra money...the expansion would be inevitable! LOL!

JDFlea
March 27th, 2009, 09:55 PM
Shrek has taken a turn for the worse. :sad: Took him to the vet, and he said he hadn't given up on him yet, but although he hoped he'd be proved wrong he thinks we're now talking a quick descent (days). :cry: He had noticed a change in the lump and his breathing (I noticed a change in his 'sparkle' over one afternoon and got him to the vet the next day. It was just the evening before yesterday that he started to look more lethargic). I know what I have to look for to make 'the decision'. But he has still had tail wagging moments and wanted to eat...he's even a little more lethargic today though. Shrek got to see his Dad today, he gave him a great greeting. :goodvibes: We are hoping that for the next few days we will get to take him for walks :pray: , and are going to get some soup bones in the morning...we will try to really enjoy what time we have. :cloud9:

:grouphug: Will give you an update soon. :candle:

hazelrunpack
March 27th, 2009, 10:15 PM
I'm so glad that Shrek got to greet his Daddy today, but so sorry to hear the rest of the news, JDFlea. I hope you all have more time together than you expect. :fingerscr

:grouphug: for you and Shrek's Daddy and another for the valiant Shrek (also a couple of kissies between the eyes and one for the top of his gorgeous head.)

You'll all be in my thoughts and prayers :candle:

JDFlea
March 30th, 2009, 11:07 PM
Hi Hazelrun, I gave Shrek your kisses. :grouphug:

We had such a great Saturday with Shrek, we took him to a park with a few trails, where he explored and we followed. :cloud9: Then we got the dogs some marrow bones and they chewed them in the yard for a few hours and enjoyed the warm weather. :o He was starting to look a little less steady than usual, and we noticed his breathing getting worse. He didn't want his kibble, or biscuits, so we gave him porridge -which he liked. Saturday night was a rough night for him as he seemed to have alot of trouble breathing. We weren't sure he would last the night, as soon as he'd get into a deep sleep, he'd breathe in, then it was like his body wanted to breathe out through his nose but couldn't, so he just stopped breathing for a few seconds. We were trying to keep him comfortable, and didn't really get any sleep. For the first time, we noticed the nerve twitch which told us the tumor was starting to cause nerve damage.

Sunday morning, Shrek was not responsive, he was so tired and didn't want to get up. :sad: We said good morning (which usually made him jump up and wag his tail), and coaxed him and called him but he just kept sleeping. He got up when he sneezed and then he had a small nose bleed. He stopped wanting to go downstairs without help, he seemed unsure of his footing. He went outside, and ate porridge and tripe for breakfast. Then, he went back to looking really tired and introverted, and had started sneezes with a head shake. The twitch showed up again a few times. He perked up when I brought out a marrow bone for him to chew; it seemed to distract him. :o He rested quite peacefully. Then we took him for a walk, and he walked like an old dog, a little unsteady, and was weaving a bit. But then he perked up a little and made us laugh by walking into the kitchen and licking the end of a homemade loaf of bread my Mom had just made. :laughing: So him and Mojo got to share that piece. :o That night, he got a several course meal: cold milk (the vet recommended it to soothe his palate); cold homemade ham soup; then steak/porridge/& natural yoghurt...he seemed to really enjoy that...then he wanted a second helping of the porridge/yoghurt. :lovestruck: As recommended, we gave him a double dose of Metacam. We put the humidity up to 50%, as the vet had suggested, to help his breathing. I think that helped, and he had a better night. But he had stopped wanting to go downstairs. :sad: And he didn't want to go upstairs, I prepared to sleep in the living room with him where he seemed to want to be for a few hours. Then, I went upstairs for a minute, and to my surprise he followed me. It was so nice to have him on the bed one more night. :cloud9:

This morning, he did get up with us, but he still looked tired. The twitch showed up again once or twice a little worse than Sunday. :sad: And he was sneezing while shaking his head. He started pawing his face like the tumor was annoying him. He didn't want to go downstairs, and my husband had to carry him. :sad: Then, so he wouldn't have to do stairs, I took him out the front door and round to the back gate, and he trotted down to the back yard and acted like there was nothing wrong, he even went for a little run. We had made an apointment to take him to the vet at 9am. I gave him a porridge/ham soup/tripe/steak breakfast -which he really seemed to like. :o Then he slept again. He still looked more frail, tired, and uncomfortable...but it was so hard when he ran to the car wagging his tail. :sad: We took our other dog Mojo with us, so the family could be together and she wouldn't wonder why he hadn't come home. We brought his comforter, and got him all comfy, gave the dogs some homemade bread as a treat and enjoyed some extra time together. And after a bit of time holding him and trying to talk about good things -so we wouldn't upset him, the vet gave him the assistance to pass-over. He was so brave, and slipped away in my arms so quickly, and peacefully, with Mojo and my husband close-by. The vet told us that it was so fast, he was likely very weak and ready. Even though I didn't want to be selfish and keep him around till the last moment for my benefit and I didn't want to let him suffer; and I knew he was just going to steadily get worse, it was still so hard to let him go. :cry: The rest of the day has been really rough, we tried to do a few things to distract us, but I know it will be a long time before it doesn't hurt so badly. :sad:

He had lots and lots of kisses and hugs, the last few days -and since we were lucky enough to adopt him. He's packed alot into 5 short years; he's been to daycare, travelled accross the country, and been my shadow...and I hope he is in a warm happy place with no pain. :angel2:

Thanks Hazelrun and friends for all your kind words and support. :grouphug:

growler~GateKeeper
April 1st, 2009, 05:24 PM
:rip: sweet :angel2: Shrek :candle: He is playing at the Rainbow Bridge (http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html) with those who've gone before :candle:

hazelrunpack
April 2nd, 2009, 11:34 PM
I'm so sorry for your loss, JDFlea :cry: I've had computer problems and couldn't get back till today. I was hoping for better news. :sad:

My heart goes out to you and your family. I'll light a candle for Shrek, big beautiful boy that he is. Your love and care was the luckiest, most wonderful thing that ever happened to him, and I'm sure he's not only in that warm happy place, but he'll be waiting there for you when it's time for you to start on that journey :grouphug:

:candle: Shrek

juniorlover
April 4th, 2009, 11:19 PM
Hi to everyone,
Junior is still hanging in there. He has a noticeable lump on the left side of his face now and seems to have drainage down his throat that makes him cough and sputter. He is picky about his food and we have been spoiling him with whatever he wants. He still has some bleeding but not severe, and has sneezing spells a few times a day. He has lost that sparkle in his eyes.
JDflea, I am so sorry for your loss, Shrek was a beautiful guy and was so lucky to have such wonderful people to care for him. I will continue to check in with you all.

hazelrunpack
April 4th, 2009, 11:35 PM
I was hoping Junior was doing better. :sad: Sending more hugs and kisses for the sweetheart. :grouphug:

You're doing all you can, juniorlover--taking it a day at a time and loving him every second. :2huggers: He's lucky to be with you.

growler~GateKeeper
April 5th, 2009, 12:37 AM
juniorlover just wanted to send some :goodvibes: & :grouphug: for Junior & you, may he have many more good days than bad :grouphug:

Chris21711
April 5th, 2009, 07:02 PM
This is such a sad thread :sad:

My heart goes out to all of you that have had to live this terrible illness with your beloved animals :grouphug:

Juniorlover - your boy Junior reminds me so much of our Basset, Skippy, they look almost identical :lovestruck:

juniorlover
April 6th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Thanks to all of you who are sending hugs on this thread. I am so lucky to have this support. Junior's tumor is pushing on his left eye, it is draining and I can only see the white of his eye. He ate his breakfast this morning but after, had a period of difficulty breathing that lasted about 1/2 hour. I was afraid it would get worse but it finally got better. I realized that we haven't heard him bark for about 2 weeks now, he was always very vocal. My son who is Junior's original owner, has been staying with us to help take care of Junior, but last night he had to go home. So I blew up an air mattress and shared it with Junior, and he decided I needed to share my pillow too! It was so comforting to have him right next to me. I know that we will be making our final decision soon. I'll be in touch.

Chris21711
April 6th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Lots of :pray:'s going your way for Junior.

hazelrunpack
April 6th, 2009, 04:01 PM
My heart goes out to you and Junior, juniorlover, and you're in my thoughts and prayers.

juniorlover
April 6th, 2009, 10:33 PM
We said good-bye to Junior at about 6pm tonight. His eye was bulging worse as the day went on. When my son and husband came home around 5 we all realized that Junior was ready. Junior was having trouble breathing off and on today and couldn't find a comfortable position to rest his head. I kept telling him to stop wagging his tail so I would be able to make the decision easier. He wasn't interested in eating even the things he loved the most today. I thought he might like to be out in the sun but he was restless being outside. He was loosing all of his senses and seemed anxious, but that also could have been pain, I'm not sure. We don't know what to do with ourselves now, Junior was always a worry these last few years, but never a burden. He gave us all so much love that we could never repay in a million years! I don't know when I will stop hurting but Junior is worth all the pain.
To all of those who are still dealing with this, hang in there and don't miss a minute to return all the love you receive. Maybe in time I will be able to return all the support you all have given to me............thanks.

hazelrunpack
April 6th, 2009, 10:50 PM
:grouphug:

I'm so sorry for your loss. What a lucky boy Junior was to have such a loving family.

Take care, juniorlover. Stay in touch :2huggers:

:candle: Junior

Dee-O-Gee
April 6th, 2009, 11:11 PM
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss Juniorlover. What a tough time and I know exactly what you're going through.

My sincerest condolescences to you and your loved ones - :grouphug:

:rip: Sweet Junior :candle:

growler~GateKeeper
April 7th, 2009, 02:08 AM
I'm so sorry about Junior :sad: :grouphug:

:rip: sweet :angel2: Junior :candle: He is playing at the Rainbow Bridge (http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html) with those who've gone before :candle:

juniorlover
April 7th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Thanks to all of you for your kind words and condolences. I have never had a pet like Junior, and never realized how wonderful a truly "good dog" could hurt to let go of. My question is: Have any of you ever gone to attend the cremation? I have set a time with the crematorium to attend. Their brochure said that owners could attend and when I talked to them they stated that some people do this. I feel as though I need to be with Junior for one last time. I can't forget the way he cried when he couldn't find me in the house because he was so hard of hearing he couldn't tell where I was calling from, even yesterday when he could no longer see at all out of his left eye he wanted me to be touching him so he knew I was there. We plan to spread his ashes in his yard where he dug, rolled, romped and sniffed most of his life. And, could someone please tell when I will stop crying! To worry and fret and be so needed by such a loveable guy, well it is just painful! Boy, I think I need therapy!

hazelrunpack
April 7th, 2009, 03:02 PM
It will get better--you just have to get all the tears out. :grouphug: Everyone grieves at their own pace, but eventually the happy memories will start pushing away the sad ones and you'll start to smile when you think of him again. :2huggers: Just remember that Junior wouldn't want you to stay unhappy.

We've never attended a pet cremation, but we attended our Mom's cremation. I think that's pretty wonderful that they'll let you do that for a pet!

juniorlover
April 8th, 2009, 04:38 PM
Thanks hazelrunpack, your words of wisdom and concern are truly comforting.
And you are right, Junior always wanted us to be happy, he was always happy, even though his natural appearance made him look sad. It is a good thing he was such a mild mannered dog, we never needed to correct him he was perfect! Chris21711-can you post a picture of your Skippy, I would love to see him!

snapdragon
April 12th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Hi I have been reading this thread with much sadness for you guys, I found this forum through searching the net for nose bleeds in dogs. I have just joined today, I am worried about one of my rescue bull terriers, Dukie he has just turned 2 years old and a few days ago he started bleeding from one of his nostrils, not a full on bleed more like a bloody oozing, he is not bothered by it, he seems very well in himself and is still wanting to do his very favourite pastime of chasing his ball, we have seen our vet and she has prescribed a short course of antibiotics in case of infection, we have another appointment to see her next Friday, we trust her, she is a very good vet and will do all the tests she can to help Dukie, one of the things we like about her is that she will refer us to a specialist if she can not find anything herself so he is in the right hands and we also have him insured so the fees are not a worry thank goodness, she was very honest with us and told us that it is very difficult to diagnose bleeds from a dogs nose but we have every confidence she will do her very best to find out what is wrong, she knows Dukie is nervous when he goes to the vets so she got down on the floor with him and gave him a massage to relax him.
My husband Buzz and I are really worried for Dukie after reading about all the beloved dogs in this thread my heart goes out to all of you.
My question is do young dogs get nasal cancer? I realise that there can be other causes of nose bleeds and I am hoping with all my heart that Dukie's nose bleed is something simple that can be sucessfully treated, he had a tough life before he came to us when he was one year old and we would like to see him live a long and happy life to kind of make up for the very bad first year of his life.
I was also wondering if cancer in the nose always caused big bleeds or can it be just a sort of bloody discharge?

This is Dukie.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj257/farijemege/79-1.jpg

hazelrunpack
April 20th, 2009, 12:40 PM
juniorlover, Chris has problems posting pics and although she's tried, she couldn't attach the pic of Skippy. So, on behalf of Chris, here is Skippy:

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juniorlover
April 21st, 2009, 12:01 AM
Thanks for the pic of Skippy. Really makes me miss Junior. Bassets are such cuddle bugs! Give Skippy a hug for me.

hazelrunpack
April 21st, 2009, 12:09 AM
How's it going, juniorlover? :grouphug: Feeling any better?

juniorlover
April 21st, 2009, 10:50 AM
I am feeling alot better these days..thanks for asking hazelrunpack. There is a huge void at our house, so much so, that I have contacted the Basset Rescue in our area and will hopefully volunteer in some capacity to help with other Bassets that are in need. I realize that I just love the Basset personality and received so much love from Junior that I want to give it back in some way. I am not sure that I am ready for another dog yet so this is the best way for me to fill the void. I will continue to check in with this thread and hopefully can also help someone who is experiencing this dreaded nasal cancer disease with their beloved pet.
All that I went through with Junior was just heartbreaking, but this thread was my connection to suppport, reassurance and information. I am so grateful to all of you, hazelrunpack, kimccallum, growler, chris21711, jdflea, and anyone I might have missed!

hazelrunpack
April 21st, 2009, 02:03 PM
Junior was such a lucky guy to have you. Every happy memory you ever made together, ties you together. He'll be in your heart always! :grouphug:

Volunteering with a basset rescue sounds like a wonderful idea! Will you eventually have the chance to maybe foster one or two in need? :goodvibes: ...not that I know much about fostering--we 'fostered' Grace, which is why we ended up with 8 instead of 7 :rolleyes: I've only ever been a foster failure.... :o

Chris21711
April 21st, 2009, 04:11 PM
Thanks for the pic of Skippy. Really makes me miss Junior. Bassets are such cuddle bugs! Give Skippy a hug for me.

Your welcome juniorlover...thankyou Hazel for posting Skip's pic :)

It is wonderful of you juniorlover to think of volunteering with the Basset rescue in your area, that's what I have in my plans....'cept the Hubby is unaware of my plans at the present time.....They are a very special breed of dog you either love 'em or hate 'em....You, obviously loved 'em. Junior was one very lucky Hound Dog to have shared his life with you.

juniorlover
April 23rd, 2009, 11:50 PM
I really do just love basset hounds, chris 21711. I don't know where the rescue society will lead me hazelrunpack, but I am thinking that I will not be happy being "dogless" for too long! We were the lucky ones to have Junior, and yes I will alway have him in my heart!

Chris21711
April 24th, 2009, 11:04 AM
I really do just love basset hounds, chris 21711. I don't know where the rescue society will lead me hazelrunpack, but I am thinking that I will not be happy being "dogless" for too long! We were the lucky ones to have Junior, and yes I will alway have him in my heart!

I'm thinking juniorlover that the Basset rescue will lead you to a new found love....always treasuring the time you had with your Junior :cloud9:

JDFlea
April 27th, 2009, 10:54 AM
I hadn't realized how long it's been! It was hard even to write about Shrek without crying...even now. But I hope to check in every once in awhile to see if I can be of assistance to anyone.

Thank you Hazelrun, Growler, Juniorlover, for your comfort and support :grouphug:; and everyone else who followed our posts.

Juniorlover, so sorry to hear about Junior :candle:. He was lovely. It's obvious from the way you describe his behaviour, that it was such a comfort to him to have you, and that it was great that you were there for him constantly. :grouphug:
It will take a long time for the hurting to fade :sad:, but as a result of your love for him who knows how many Bassets may be helped/comforted (what a great legacy to him) if you volunteer at the Basset Rescue. :cloud9:
I'll be thinking of you. :grouphug:

-chris 21711 what a nice picture, Skippy looks very sweet and comfortable.

(I hadn't thought to do this before, but Shrek left a little legacy of his own. One friend made a donation in his memory to an association that researches cancer treatments for pets, and another made a donation to Danes-in-Distress. :cloud9: It was heartwarming when they told me.) There are so many great ways we can remember our companions.

:candle: to everyone still going through this.

hazelrunpack
April 27th, 2009, 10:19 PM
You have some wonderful friends! What lovely memorials to Shrek!

Good to hear from you JDFlea. :grouphug: I hope you do stop in now and then! I often think about the posters in this thread and wonder how things are going for them.

rubyrue
May 25th, 2009, 02:33 PM
Hi, about two years ago I visited my regular vet because my dog Ruby was sneezing more than normal and had a clearish discharge. She always had ear troubles and we thought the nose discharge was maybe a light infection, allergies or age. Her eyes were also turning blueish and her vision was impaired. Went to a eye specialist and discovered she had a corneal edema which could result in ulcers, pain etc...I spent months dealing with the idea that she would be blind. Next, I noticed a bump on the bridge of her nose. My vet felt since it was not an ulcer that it may go away on its own. Then came the bump above one of her eyes and we were off to get a biopsy and scan. Sure enough it was nasal carcinoma. The first oncologist said she has weeks to live and that it was too late for any radiation. If I wanted to do it the 20 treatments would leave her in such bad shape it would not be worth it. The second doctor said lets do 5 treatments to increase her quality of life and try to stop the growth temporarily.

We did the 5 and I do believe that it has helped to keep her with us for a bit more. It also gave us all time to realize what was happening and come to terms.

It has been a journey of bleeding non stop through the nose, eye, difficulty breathing at night and blindness as of this week. She also has an orange size tumor on the top of her head and it is heart breaking to look at. She is still fighting and Ruby is still present however, I know the end is near.

My message is... my intuition said the initial symptoms of sneezing were not right. I did not follow my intuition and listened to my vet. If you notice that your pet is sneezing have a scan done. Don't wait. You cannot deal with what you cannot see. I am aching with the fact that I did not take action. I am up all night waiting for her to breathe and waiting for her to stop breathing. My heart breaks that I failed her. Yes, she has been with me for 10.5 years. I still feel I could have saved her from going this soon. Listen to your intuition. I love my regular vet but this was out of her specialty. She has been very helpful and caring but ultimately you hold the cards. I am living with extreme guilt and pain. k

hazelrunpack
May 25th, 2009, 10:33 PM
rubyrue, I'm so sorry you and Ruby are going through this :grouphug:

But don't feel guilty...even with a quick diagnosis and early treatment this one seems hard to beat. You've given Ruby a wonderful life and when it's time, you'll ease her passing. She asks for no more--and you can give her no better gift.

So try to focus on your girl's needs and enjoy every minute you have with her. Ruby is a very lucky girl to have you :grouphug:

AnnHFashion
May 26th, 2009, 02:12 PM
I am so sorry so many have lost their friends.

I have posted before about my 2 dogs.
Do you think 2 dogs could be infected the same way
within 2 weeks of each other.?
My dogs went really fast , breathing ok, to heavy in a
matter of hours and died 6 hours later. The other dog just
bled heavy and died within 12 hours.

This sounds terrible but I seem to be grieving more
over losing my dog of 12 years than I did my
husband of 1.5 years. Maybe my memory is bad too...lol..

I want another animal soooo bad but afraid there is
something wrong in my yard.

Time is supose to help. I hope it helps all that posted here,
in this thread.


Ann

hazelrunpack
May 26th, 2009, 02:18 PM
Ann, did the vet ever try to pinpoint anything like a fungus or ask about the possibility of them getting into something toxic?

Nasal cancer is usually pretty slow to develop...certainly not just over a matter of days or a couple of weeks...so I doubt that that's what happened to your two furbabies. :grouphug:

hazelrunpack
May 26th, 2009, 02:25 PM
My question is do young dogs get nasal cancer? I realise that there can be other causes of nose bleeds and I am hoping with all my heart that Dukie's nose bleed is something simple that can be sucessfully treated, he had a tough life before he came to us when he was one year old and we would like to see him live a long and happy life to kind of make up for the very bad first year of his life.
I was also wondering if cancer in the nose always caused big bleeds or can it be just a sort of bloody discharge?

This is Dukie.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj257/farijemege/79-1.jpg

Somehow I missed your post, snapdragon! :sorry:

Dukie is sweetheart!!! :flirt: Have you found out any new information since you posted?

The short answers to the questions you posted are that young dogs are not as likely to get nasal cancer, but they can--and that the bleeds do start out small. Our Priscilla started with just a bloody discharge.

But you're right--there are other causes for the symptoms and they should be investigated, especially in younger dogs. Grass awns can work their way into nasal passages, for instance, and cause infection or a chronic irritation that can result in bleeding. Sometimes just flushing the nose will dislodge the awn and the bleeding stops :thumbs up

I hope you got good news from the vet! :goodvibes:

:grouphug:

JDFlea
May 26th, 2009, 06:20 PM
My heart breaks that I failed her. Yes, she has been with me for 10.5 years. I still feel I could have saved her from going this soon. Listen to your intuition. I love my regular vet but this was out of her specialty. She has been very helpful and caring but ultimately you hold the cards. I am living with extreme guilt and pain. k

Hello Rubyrue,

I can't ease the pain, but I have met one person who spent over $30,000 and took her dog to the States for treatment and did absolutely everything her specialist suggested, from surgery to pinpoint radiation, to chemo. She said that she'd never do it again, because her dog was miserable, and the nose cancer came back worse in the end.

What I am saying is, although I agree that following your intuition can be a good thing, you did not fail Ruby. You did the best you could under the circumstances and with what you knew at the time. I'm sure you will cherish the time you both have together, and I'm sure Ruby knows that you love her very much.

I'll be thinking of you both. :candle:

JDFlea
May 26th, 2009, 06:43 PM
[QUOTE=
Do you think 2 dogs could be infected the same way
within 2 weeks of each other.?

I want another animal soooo bad but afraid there is
something wrong in my yard.]

Hi Ann,

like Hazelrun said, I've heard of nose cancer usually being quite slow to develop. Perhaps they were exposed to something, in the yard or elsewhere?

It might not be bad with something like that, if you can't pinpoint what it is, to wait awhile to make sure any causes have had a chance to clear. (I had a small animal once that infected my other small animals, despite all my efforts I couldn't save them. Even though the vet told me I was fine to get another, I found out after losing another pet, that I had to wait 6 months for my house to be clear. It worked.)

:grouphug: That must have been so hard for you to go through. I hope things work out if you decide to get another fur-kid.

JDFlea
May 26th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Duckie is so adorable!

I hope it is something treatable. :candle:

PerkyPooch
July 11th, 2009, 05:42 PM
Today was absolutely terrible. My dog's nose was bleeding like crazy. And I've been reading some of these posted and I pray to god it isn't cancer. The side of her face has been swollen too. Could that be a tumor?

hazelrunpack
July 11th, 2009, 09:31 PM
Welcome to the board, PerkyPooch. I'm sorry it's under such difficult circumstances.

Your very first step should be a trip to the vet--and if the bleeding doesn't stop by tomorrow, or if she's had a significant loss of blood, a trip to the emergency vet is in order. A cool compress on the nose might help to stop the bleeding if she'll stand still for it.

The symptoms could be anything from infection to cancer to just bruising from head trauma. Is it possible she was running and hit a tree (don't laugh! I've seen dogs get so involved in play that they don't look where they're going :o)? But no matter what it is, it's imperative that you get her to a vet asap. The sooner you find out what's wrong, the better the prognosis.

:goodvibes: for your girl, PerkyPooch. Please keep us posted on what your vet says. And hang in there :grouphug:

jojojojo
August 1st, 2009, 06:48 AM
It appears I'm yet another one who has come here looking for answers to their dogs nosebleeds. I've already cried reading some of your stories.

My 13 year old Westie, Kiri, has occasional nosebleeds. The first time she had one, we had been out for the morning and when we returned home discovered her bleeding, out of one nostril.

We took her to the vet and she put a little camera up her nose, and she found a little cut up her nose. She must have inhaled a sharp seed or or something. There is was no sign of the offending object. The vet checked her nose for swelling, and she declared her fine.

A few weeks later she had another small bleed when we were bringing new carpet into the house (lots of banging and different people wandering about.) I spoke to the vet and she said not to worry, as it likely that her scab in her nose had become dislodged.

A couple of weeks ago she had a small bleed when the fire alarm went off. It was over within an hour.

Last night she came to join us on the sofa, and she jumped up all of a sudden, right on top of the spot where my partner had perched the ashtray and a lit cigarette. We immediately panicked, lifting her high out the way rather suddenly. When I put her down, she started sneezing blood. Last nights bleed was the worst yet. We kept her calm on the sofa, her breathing at one point was awful. She soon got bored of staying still and proceeded to jump off the sofa and chase her tail. As soon as she started doing that, the bf and I gave a sigh of relief, as there she was, smiling at us, licking her nose and wanting to play!

Each time her nosebleed has started, she has been in a stressed situation. She is a generally sneezy dog, we think she has allergies! We put her on an additive free diet a few months ago to see if it would stop her itching so often and it did. I am truly hoping that her nosebleeds are down to stress and nothing else. But I'm taking her to the vet first thing Monday morning to get her checked out again.

Has anyone any tips for stopping nosebleeds? At the moment our immediate reaction is grab a tissue to dab her nose clean and to keep her calm on the sofa, giving her lost of soothing strokes. Is there anything else that can help, and is there any other signs we should be looking out for?

I'm so sorry for all of you that have lost your pets, but I am so grateful to you all for sharing your stories. If it wasn't for you, we'd be unaware that Kiri's nose bleeds could be due to something more serious such as nasal cancer.

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Ishaa
August 3rd, 2009, 01:08 PM
two years ago my german shepheard, Mystik got bleeding nose due 2 a bacterial infection. we went 2 the vet n he prescribed antibiotics, adrenalin, anti inflamatory.... he was bleeding for 3 days n thankfully it stopped. that was a really hard time. Now its my oldest dog, Jovi who's getting this problem. he'll be 13yrs old on the 6 August. Its been some days now that he's bleeding n its not stopping. I'm really worried:sad:
PerkyPooch, i hope that ur dog is now ok :pray:

hazelrunpack
August 3rd, 2009, 10:14 PM
Has Jovi been to the vet for an evaluation, Ishaa? Maybe it's another infection :fingerscr

:goodvibes: for Jovi! 13 years! Wow! I hope he has many more years with you :grouphug:

popo
August 13th, 2009, 02:08 PM
hello!!

i was jus goin to the sites where i could find a help for my dog, he is a 9yrs old german shepard he had a nose bleeding and lost lotsa blood... today was the first time and i am really worried about him... we rushed him to the vet and we were told the reason might be because of high blood pressure... but i am really not so sure if the vet told us the correct cause... i am look for a help or suggestion of any kind.

thank you

hazelrunpack
August 13th, 2009, 02:33 PM
Hi, popo. Welcome to the board.

Was your dog bleeding from both nostrils or just one? Did the bleeding stop on its own? Has he been having any kind of discharge from his nose before this?

The dogs in this thread had recurring nose bleeds. If this is your dog's first, it's hard to say what might be going on. He might have bumped it on something or perhaps his nasal membranes are dry. (Sometimes running a vaporizor or bringing your dog into the bathroom when you shower can be helpful.)

Certainly if he starts to have more frequent nose bleeds, you'll want to get a little more aggressive in getting a diagnosis. If you have access to a veterinary teaching hospital, they would have specialists available, which might help in getting a quicker diagnosis. So if the bleeding begins again, you might want to ask your regular vet for a referral.

I know first-hand what you're going through :grouphug: Scary stuff, but try not to jump the gun. Maybe it will turn out to be a one-time thing :fingerscr

:goodvibes:

lovejack
August 27th, 2009, 10:06 PM
Just wanted to thank evryone for these posts. It helped with Hunter when the time came last week to put him down ( I am anskygyrl's mom) Last Tuesday, he began vomiting blood and you could see was in pain. We had a 10 year old golden, Lucy, who also went through liver cancer 3 years ago. She did not have the nosebleeds, but had fluid around her heart. Our little 2 year old golden, Laci, is missing Hunter and keeps looking for him everywhere. I am afraid that maybe it was the Nutro diet that brought this on? Lucy and Hunter were not related, yet suffered almost identical disease. I want to do all I can to be sure that this does not happen to her.
Denise..
Mom to Laci and 4 people kids

Our sweet 3 yr old vizsla recently developed nose bleeds similar to the ones posted in this thread. Prior to the nose bleeds we did notice sneezing and his breathing through his nose seem to be compromised. A year ago, he was diagnosed with polymyositis. The related temporal muscle atrophy seemed to be since stabilized. Polymyositis is an autoimmune disease and has also been associated with eventual cancer. He was sustained via daily dosages of prednisone (steroid) & every other day with azathioprine (chemo). His immune system was compromised. After reading what these poor dogs went through with the treatment & suffering through the nose bleeds, we decided that we didn't want our poor baby to suffer more in the same way so we sadly & painfully said our goodbyes with him.

I notice that this post by Golden Life mention Nutro diet which is interesting to me because our dog was on this diet, too. Just wanted to make this post should it ever make a difference.

hazelrunpack
August 27th, 2009, 10:31 PM
I'm so sorry for what you and your family have been through, lovejack :grouphug: It sounds like your vizsla had a rough time. And only 3 :sad: We, too, lost a 3-yr-old to an immune disease--although in Evan's case it was IBD. :grouphug: I know how hard it is to say goodbye when their lives should just be beginning. But he was fortunate to have had such dedicated parents.

We do have a forum here for pets that have passed, if you'd like to post a tribute to your boy.

:candle:

juniorlover
September 8th, 2009, 11:39 PM
Lovejack,
After all we went through with Junior I am so glad we didn't treat him with anything for his cancer. I think you made the most difficult but realistic decison. Our wonderful friends will endure for us and they depend on us to give them comfort and to say good-bye when it is time.
hazelrunpack,
I miss Junior every day, he is always in my heart. And I have two, yes two, new additions to our family. Theo and Presley. Both are bassets and goofy as ever! Theo is from a shelter and Presley is from a rescue. They have certainly filled the void!
I was hoping this thread would be empty, but as I can see there are still many out there struggling with this terrible illness. To anyone who needs support and info this is the greatest place I found!

hazelrunpack
September 8th, 2009, 11:44 PM
Two new additions, juniorlover! That's wonderful! :highfive: You have to start a thread and post pics! Lots of basset lovers on board. You wouldn't want to deprive us of two new ones to admire, would you? :o :D

I always feel sad when this thread gets bumped up...your news, however, made me smile! :thankyou:

juniorlover
October 7th, 2009, 11:06 AM
For any basset lovers out there............I miss my basset Junior but have had my time and energy drained with these two crazy guys. :clown::clown:
Here they are Hazelrunpack!

Chris21711
October 7th, 2009, 11:15 AM
Wonderful additions Juniorlover, you must be overjoyed :highfive:.....I always find it so great that Bassets seem to bond so quickly without a second thought.

The other day I posted a couple of pics of Rebel and Skippy, here is the link if you would like a look

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=65964

hazelrunpack
October 7th, 2009, 02:25 PM
They're so beautiful! :flirt: And they look so bonded to each other already! Keeping you busy, eh? :D I can well believe it--they look pretty tired in the second pic...musta been keepin' you hoppin' all day to get to that state. :laughing:

Congratulations, juniorlover! :grouphug:

And :thankyou: for sharing the pics with us!

Jagcatfan
October 8th, 2009, 01:26 PM
I came across this site a few weeks ago when I did a google search concerning nose bleeds in dogs. I noticed one day that my 16 year old Bichon was bleeding from one side of her nostril. I took her to the vet immediately and he told me that based on his experience that it was cancer. He said that there isn't a cure for that kind of cancer in dogs and didn't recommend any treatment for it. He did a blood test and her white cell count was over 15,000. He said that was unusual since she did not have a fever. He pur her on an antibiotic and we did another blood test in three days. It was only down to 13,500 and he switched to a stronger antiobitic and then after another test it was virtually unchanged. At that point I wasn't going to take her back every few days for another test and $125. If she was much younger I would do it in a heartbeat. Her nose bleeds stopped for a couple of weeks and then they have started back up again heavier just this week. I can tell when her nose is clogged because she starts sleeping with her mouth open. She doesn't have much of an appetite and has lost about one and a half pounds in a month. I know what I have to do but I don't know when. My daughters cocker had breast cancer and when she asked me what to do I told her that she would know when it was time to do something. But it's hard for me to face that. I had a cocker that we had to put to sleep and I thought I would die. I have been sitting here reading all of these posts and just crying because I know what is coming and there isn't anything I can do to stop it. I have had Snoozie from the day I picked her out of the litter at the breeder at three weeks old. Born on my anniversary (Snoozies Anniversary Waltz) and we picked her up at six weeks old on my daughters sixteenth birthday. She has had my heart from the moment I held her and I will miss her terribly.

hazelrunpack
October 8th, 2009, 03:14 PM
I'm so sorry you're going through this Jagcatfan. :grouphug: I know how difficult it is.

Remember that Snoozie doesn't know about cancer. Dogs tend to be hopeful creatures--if they aren't feeling well, they hunker down and wait to get better. Snoozie doesn't worry about dying because she's too busy living.

So how does Snoozie seem to be feeling otherwise? Is she still happy to see you? Still playing? Seems to be comfortable? If her good moments outweigh her bad moments, then she's still busy living and it isn't time, yet.

When it finally comes down to that last decision, you'll be there for her, to help ease her way. She'll feel your love and strength to the end and it's the best gift she could ask for. :2huggers: Time enough to mourn afterward--till then, rejoice in each good moment.

You're in my thoughts and prayers, Jagcatfan. We're here for you. Please keep us posted. :grouphug: