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Socialization Help!!!

August 24th, 2007, 02:49 AM
I walk dogs for a girl who recently got a olde english bulldogge puppy that is 12 weeks now. (she also has an 9month old american bulldog/boxer cross) her new puppy is not socialized with humans at all (i suspect this may be a puppy mill dog but i havent talked to her about where she has gotten it).

the dog runs away from all people all of the time. however, She really like to play with the other dog, but will constantly chew on its face which has left some yucky cuts. I already gave her advice to stop that immediately and to not allow it to happen.

I am afraid if this dog doesnt get socialized properly soon it could have horrible effects on it later in life.

Since ive never had a puppy (only big ones for me!) i am not sure of tips to give her that would be appropriate for training this dog and socializing it.

I think currently she is using food as a lure to get the dog to come over but then she takes it and runs away.

any tips would be greatly appreciated!

thank you !!!!

August 24th, 2007, 07:51 AM
since this pup is just 12 wks old, I think it's still early enough to fix this. wow, a 12 wk old pup and a 9mth old dog... she's got her hands full! If possible, I think a puppy socializing class (at a reputable training facility) would really be the best idea. most puppy classes start when the pups are 12 wks old anyways, and have started their vaccines.

August 24th, 2007, 08:53 AM
i will recommend classes top her, but i think the puppy may be too scared to do something like that. she is terrified of being leashed and only likes the other dog. so i thought it may be too much for the pup to deal with:shrug:

August 24th, 2007, 09:42 AM
well, a small class would certainly be better than a room full, for sure. But I wouldn't continue to shelter or coddle this pup either. (JMO)

The pup is terrified of leashes? have you tried a very thin, light leash? I'd keep the pup in a room (i.e. gated into a kitchen area) and leave the leash on the floor. put toys/treats with it. let the pup investigate on his own, and give gentle praise when he goes to it to get the reward. ease into it, but definitely start nipping that fear in the bud! basically start associating GOOD things with the leash, toys, treats, meals, praise....

you can do the same with people. When I meet a new pup, I generally sit on the floor, and let the pup come to me. let the pup initiate it, come over, smell, etc... I don't reach for the pup until it's clear there is no fear there.

my dog had several "fear stages" when he was a pup, for goodness sake, he was terrified of 2 kittens! 2 wee kittens! he had his tail between his legs, and was shaking! To get past this, I calmly yet assertively walked him right past those super scary kittens - head held high, and very business like. we marched right on past.... and he did it! he followed my lead & my energy. of course, he was praised to high heaven for it, and the kitten fear quickly diminished. lots of practice and strong leadership helps.

IMO, puppy classes help by setting the pup up for success in a controlled environment. I really think they should be mandatory for every pup. for socializing, learning basics, and for puppy parents to establish that confident leadership role.

August 24th, 2007, 10:24 AM
Like jessi76 said, puppy classes should definitely be on the menu. Also, have the dog's owner check out this website: There is lots of great info and videos on training and socializing puppies. If she doesn't have internet access, this book by Ian Dunbar, "AFTER You Get Your Puppy" ( will answer a lot of questions (and should be mandatory reading for new dog owners, IMO). Here's an example of what he has to say:

Socialization in the Puppy's Original Home

To fully enjoy life as a human companion, a puppy must be taught to thoroughly enjoy the company and actions of all people, especially strangers, men and children. It is not sufficient for puppies to meet the same small circle of familiar friends each day. Puppies need to meet unfamiliar people every day—especially men and children. Before they are eight weeks old—and the critical period of socialization is almost two-thirds over—puppies need to have been handled and trained by at least 100 different people.

Puppy socialization and handling exercises are so simple, so important, and so much fun. Each person should use kibble to lure-reward each puppy to come, sit, lie down, and roll over. Then visitors can pick up, cradle, cuddle, and stroke the pups, while looking in their eyes and gently examining their jaws, paws, ears, belly, and private parts.

Remember to maintain routine hygiene: All people should leave outdoor shoes outdoors and wash their hands before handling puppies less than 12 weeks of age.

Socialization in the PuppyDog's New Home

By eight weeks of age socialized puppies will start to become shy and wary of unfamiliar people. Consequently, it is necessary to accelerate their socialization program. During his first month in his new home, a puppy needs to be handled and trained by an additional 100 different people—at least three strangers daily. Puppy handling is still so easy and enjoyable. (Please note: All these exercises will work with adult dogs, they just take much more time.)

Weigh out the puppy's dinner kibble and divide it into bags to give to each guest to handfeed to the puppy. Put a few treats into the men's bags and lots of treats into the children's bags. Each guest will train your puppy for you, using kibble and treats to lure-reward the puppy to come, sit, lie down, and roll over. Each person will also pick up and handfeed the pup, examining his mouth, ears, paws, and rear end, before passing the puppy to someone else. "Pass the puppy" is marvelous game and prepares the puppy for handling and examination by veterinarians and groomers. At the end of the evening, your puppy will love household guests and especially enjoy the company and actions of men and children.

Puppy Classes, Walks, and Parties

As soon as your puppy is old enough, enroll in a puppy class so your puppy may socialize with other dogs and people and fine-tune his bite inhibition. Without a doubt, walking your puppy is the very best socialization and confidence-building exercise. Stop every 25 yards and instruct your puppy to sit (for control), and occasionally to settle down (with a stuffed chewtoy) and watch the world go by. Handfeed dinner when anyone approaches—one piece of kibble for a woman, three pieces for a man, three pieces of freeze-dried liver for each child, and five pieces of liver for a boy on a bike or skateboard. You may allow passersby to handfeed your pup once you have shown them how to lure him to sit to say hello. Above all, don't keep your puppy a secret. Continue to have regular puppy parties at home and invite family, friends, and especially neighbors to meet your puppy. Instruct each person to bring a friend. When you socialize a puppy properly, you will find your own social life improves dramatically.

August 24th, 2007, 10:57 AM
thanks for the tips guys ill pass them along! she usually is pretty accepting of some tips, ive helped her alot with her other dog. I just want to make sure i give her good advice :)