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Sledding/Carting Harness

mummummum
August 21st, 2007, 09:19 PM
I've tried pulling Ceili on a sled and walking Bridie and Declan but I can't manage without :wall: so I'm thinking about training Bridie and Declan to pull Ceili on a sled so that she can come along on our long-distance hikes this winter. I'm hoping someone can recommend the best type of harness (x back, Y front :confused: ) as it's all new to me. If I can get away with buying one that is adjustable for both dogs so much the better (Declan is much longer and taller than Bridie but Bridie's chest is deeper and wider). And I prefer to buy Canadian if at all possible! We'll start training this fall with water-filled plastic bottles if we can find the right harness in time.

Frenchy
August 21st, 2007, 09:28 PM
What about the harness you buy to tie to the car's seat belt ?

mummummum
August 21st, 2007, 09:38 PM
I have a few of those but I wasn't sure if it would be suitable for pulling. It might chafe or slide or pinch. The carting/ sledding harnesses are quite structural and ergonomically constructed to prevent chafing/ pinching and to put the weight on the strongest parts of the dog's body.

mafiaprincess
August 22nd, 2007, 02:22 PM
You either need an x back or a weight pull harness. Sadly the best ones are online, not on store shelves though.. so you have to guess which you think would be most comfy, but most are custom made to your measurements so you would know that they fit correctly.

Using a standard seatbelt or walking harness would potentially hurt in time, as they aren't meant for pulling.

OC_Spirit
August 22nd, 2007, 04:18 PM
MafiaPrincess is right, if your dog is going to be pulling any sort of weight then he NEEDS a properly fitted harness that is made specifically for pulling. There used to be an AMAZING sled dog supplier called Chatmac. He made all of my sled gear but very sadly, his wife passed away from cancer a while ago and he closed up shop and moved up north. You can still find some Chatmac stuff being traded around and due to its amazing quality, regardless of being in use for a couple years they will hold up to many more years of brutality (lol). There is rumours of Doug maybe starting up the sewing machines again but the best we can do is sit back and see.

Here is the classified ads section of www.sleddogcentral.com where you may be lucky enough to find a couple good harnesses for very cheap

http://www.sleddogcentral.com/classifieds/classads_sale2.htm

Black Ice Dog also sells some very high quality weight pull harnesses and sledding harnesses (btw I recommend the x-back sledding harness for what you are wanting to do as the weight pull harnesses I find gets too big and cumbersome for longer distances that what is intended for a weightpull match. If you cant find x-back harnesses, h-back are pretty good too and deffinately a y-chest which both x-back and h-back harnesses have).

http://www.blackicedogsledding.com/

If you ever have any questions regarding training, feel free to ask me either here or in a PM. I help a lot of people get their dogs started in pulling activites :) The main thing to remember is start low and build weight slowly or my dorkish rhyme - "Start low and go slow" LOL

OC_Spirit
August 22nd, 2007, 04:20 PM
BTW, I just realized you''re in Toronto, I should be up by you a couple times in January/February for some races. If you want I can let you know of what days so you can come on out and watch some dogsled races! Also if you are having problems with training and getting things to "click" with your two, if you are willing to make the drive to Elmira I'd be more than willing to help you out one on one.

mummummum
August 22nd, 2007, 05:24 PM
Thanks all !! I've checked out Black Ice ~ looks promising. I think I would rather buy new so I can make certain the measurements are a true fit.

OC I would LOVE to see you compete ~ please do let me know when you are in the big smoke. As I don't have a car I've missed all of Mafia and Byrd's competitions. I get a huge kick out of stuff like that !

OC_Spirit
August 23rd, 2007, 01:20 AM
I just looked at Black Ice Dog again, I never realized their stuff was so pricey...I believe www.alaskandream.org (i think???) has some good ones same with http://www.harnessesbycarol.com/index.html

The Sled Dog Central link I gave you does have some listings of places that make new stuff too, it isnt all used ;)

I will certainly let you (and the rest of the forum) know about upcoming races, how close are you to Cannington and Kortright? Those will be two spots I will hopefuly get to...

Lukka'sma
August 23rd, 2007, 09:02 AM
I wanna come, I wanna come
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/xokelso/smileys.gif

OC_Spirit
August 23rd, 2007, 11:56 AM
Hehehe of course you can come too :D I would say bring the lovely Lukka as well...but...erm...she's a Caucasian >_> LOL ;) :crazy: :goodvibes: :p :angel:

Lukka'sma
August 23rd, 2007, 12:34 PM
:laughing: :laughing: she is indeed!!!:D
And furthermore, she'a a Caucasian that loves and misses OC Spirit

OC_Spirit
August 23rd, 2007, 01:08 PM
Awwww I miss her goofyness!!!! She's a lot of fun but every now and then I could see her kinda stop and just look at me with that Caucasian stare before she fully accepted me on the property. The one where had I looked her right in the eyes at that moment or made the wrong move, I'd be in trouble! GOOD GIRL!!!

mummummum
August 23rd, 2007, 08:02 PM
All these choices are making my head spin. I think I need to find the right sled for Ceili first before I decide whether a sledding harness would be better than a carting harness. Thanks for all the links ~ a real edumecation !

mummummum
August 28th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Okay... here's the :cloud9: sled:

http://www.llbean.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=1&catalogId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=48118&sc1=Search&feat=sr

Now I'm wondering what opinions amongst those-in-the-know might be on these Canadian manufacturer's of harnesses (I've decided an x-back sledding harness is likely best).

http://www.komout.com/p-harnesses.htm

http://www.ravenswatch.on.ca/outfitting/dog-harness/index.html

http://www.akkosports.com/english/harnesses.htm

http://www.tanzilla.ca/item102.htm

I may have to give up my nonexistent social life :rolleyes: :laughing: to afford this so all opinions are welcome !!

satchelp
August 28th, 2007, 08:45 PM
Here is another Canadian supplier

http://www.canvasbackpets.com/ShopSite/sledding_new.html

mummummum
August 28th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Thanks ! I'll email them and ask if they are made in Canada as well. Soooooo many to choose from ~ this ain't as easy as I thought it was going to be!

OC_Spirit
September 9th, 2007, 12:37 PM
I think the FH model from this place http://www.akkosports.com/english/harnesses.htm would be good for you. The FH model tailors to dogs with slightly wider chests than what Huskies typically have.

The beef I have with the sled you are looking into is that it appears to be designed to be pushed, not pulled therefore it doesnt have a bridal set up to attach a gangline to and I wonder how strong the wood of the skiis are for being pulled along. However you probably arent going to be doing anything intense or fast so you could probably get away with just wrapping some cloth around the wood where you will be putting the rope that the gangline will attach to (in order to stop chaffing from the rope).

I dont know any of the companies personally so cant give you stories on any of them but they all look pretty good :)

mummummum
September 9th, 2007, 06:46 PM
Thanks so much OC! I had actually narrowed it down to either to FH or the BH from Akko ~ all that edumecation I got from all of you has paid off I guess :thumbs up

To attach ganglines, I am thinking of installing lag bolts (rings) on each side into the sled base through to the vertical supports which run between the ski and the sled base. I actually want the handle on the back! But not to push it, to pull back on it. I live in a valley and coming home means going down some fairly steep hills so I figure if I'm holding onto the back, Ceili and the sled won't overtake and run over poor old Declan!

I'm hoping that as the sled is made in Canada it might also be available in some of LL Bean-type stores here otherwise it's on-line ordering for me I guess. :rolleyes:

OC_Spirit
September 10th, 2007, 10:33 AM
Sounds good!!!! Looks like you have a great idea brewing :)

Gail P
March 8th, 2008, 01:11 AM
I just became a member of the forum and was searching for any posts relating to dogsledding and came across this older one. Was wondering if you found the harnesses you needed? If it's not too late to voice an opinion I'd suggest ordering from AKKO in Quebec. I've got several of their harnesses and love them all. I've got the BH (bought it several years ago for a great dane we taught to pull), a couple of FH's, a couple of SH's and also a couple of NH's. They're all well made harnesses with nice padding on them. I also have a harness from Komatik. It does the job fine too but AKKO's have a bit wider chest plate and wider padding, which is my personal preference. They're good people to deal with too (though so is Marc at Komatik).

p.s. in reference to Chatmac, I heard that he's starting back up, but under another name. Can't remember what it is now, but it's posted on a blog called Dogsleddn.