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changing a sub forum tittle : breed

Frenchy
August 5th, 2007, 08:48 PM
I did mentioned it before , it would be nice if the sub forum " breed discussion " could be change. We are getting more and more BYB / :clown: asking stupid questions and franctly, it get my blood boil. Could we change the tittle pleeeease ? :pray:

What do you guys think ?

Byrd
August 5th, 2007, 09:06 PM
YES I agree!!!

As I stated in that puppies thread it's "Breed Discussion" not "Breeding Discussion". But, people still seem to keep getting that ing in there for some reason. :rolleyes:

I think if something doesn't give soon there will be a lot of boiled blood spilled on the ground.

Frenchy
August 5th, 2007, 09:08 PM
I think if something doesn't give soon there will be a lot of boiled blood spilled on the ground.

Exactly ! :cool:

hazelrunpack
August 5th, 2007, 09:08 PM
What would be a good name to change it to? "Variety" sounds like an ice cream flavor, but it's all I can come up with. :D

Carnac
August 5th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Thanks for the suggestion. We'll kick it up the line to Marko to see what we can change it to so it gets back to the discussion of breeds.

badger
August 5th, 2007, 09:09 PM
I agree that it might be worth changing it (to what? Dog Breeds? I suppose that could be taken the wrong way, too).
But the :clown: :clown: :clown: will still come.

Frenchy
August 5th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Thanks Carnac :thumbs up :highfive:

Frenchy
August 5th, 2007, 09:13 PM
But the :clown: :clown: :clown: will still come.

And we will be here for them :evil: :D

Byrd
August 5th, 2007, 09:13 PM
What about just stating that it's for discussion of animal breeds, not animal breeding and make it so that any one who posts about breeding will have the thread automatically locked.... no more fights about it.

hazelrunpack
August 5th, 2007, 09:21 PM
What about just stating that it's for discussion of animal breeds, not animal breeding and make it so that any one who posts about breeding will have the thread automatically locked.... no more fights about it.

That's a good idea. As the threads come up, we can flag them like we would spam (or porn :p) and the mods could just close them. Certainly would keep blood pressures lower. :D

dogwalker
August 5th, 2007, 10:07 PM
What about:
Pet Breeds - discusses traits about specific breeds of animals

Frenchy
August 5th, 2007, 10:53 PM
I know it's hard but I would like it better if we came up with another word for breed :o like race ? Yes , I know , not quite the same...

Or maybe like Dogwalker said : Pet Breeds - discusses traits about specific breeds of animals (and insert : NOT ABOUT BREEDING, WE REPEAT , THIS IS NOT ABOUT BREEDING) :D

dogwalker
August 5th, 2007, 11:15 PM
I agree with trying to get rid of breed as word...
maybe:
Pet Lineages: Discusses traits about specific classes of animals (NOT ABOUT BREEDING, WE REPEAT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT BREEDING)

Frenchy
August 5th, 2007, 11:18 PM
:laughing:

dogwalker
August 5th, 2007, 11:20 PM
:laughing: yeah, it's just NOT a word anymore!

hazelrunpack
August 5th, 2007, 11:21 PM
How about just something like CHARACTERISTICS AND TRAITS?...Nothing about breeds at all?

Frenchy
August 5th, 2007, 11:23 PM
How about just something like CHARACTERISTICS AND TRAITS?...Nothing about breeds at all?

oohhh , I like that ! :thumbs up

TeriM
August 6th, 2007, 12:00 AM
Characteristics and traits sounds good to me :thumbs up .

dtbmnec
August 6th, 2007, 02:51 AM
Couldn't that also drive off the people who do come on here with legit questions?

Like "hey I randomly got adopted by a very pregnant cat/dog. SOS. Help. Au Secours!" ones?

Maybe I'm just on crack though....I would just hate to have someone not bother posting in those sorts of cases.

On a related note: I don't suppose that we could put something somewhere stating that while we like dog breeding by ethical breeders we believe that spay/neuter is the way to go for everyone else. Or something to that effect. So then we don't have people complaining about how we "like it" when dogs are bred in some cases but not in others?

Megan

dogwalker
August 6th, 2007, 08:50 AM
dtbmnec: Would it work to make breeding a different sub forum?
backyard breeding: discusses problems associated with randomly breeding pets

hazel: I like it too! Would adding a little help to clarify topic?
CHARACTERISTICS AND TRAITS of pets
CHARACTERISTICS AND TRAITS of specific types of pets

And if people start talking breeding issues in terms of what to do with my pregnant dog, tell them they need to post in the byb subforum?

hazelrunpack
August 6th, 2007, 10:02 AM
I wonder if a "byb education" subforum would encourage unwelcome posts, instead of educating or discouraging people who shouldn't be breeding in the first place, though? Last thing we want to do is attract an influx of unethical puppy millers and bybers in if for the money...but getting all that information out there in one place does sound like a good idea.

Since people breeding for the money aspect only will be out there looking for free medical advice, we'd have to have some way of discouraging them upfront from posting here with those types of questions. But posters often don't read the disclaimers that are already out there...or else they ignore them. So likely, whatever is decided, those types of people will still come here :shrug:

marko
August 6th, 2007, 10:44 AM
These are good points everyone...

Give us a day or 2 and we''ll come up with something. I think we can come up with a better title that might diminish questions that make us get 'hot'.

Please keep the suggestions coming.

What about just stating that it's for discussion of animal breeds, not animal breeding and make it so that any one who posts about breeding will have the thread automatically locked.... no more fights about it.

The only issue...and it's a tough one...is breeding questions in general...and so rather then make a ruling on it, I'll just put it out to you now.

Of course this forum has a pulse that we should be VERY proud of! :grouphug:

But no matter what we do...occasionally people will ask BYB (Backyard breeding) questions.

As an ADMIN of this pet information board, despite my personal views, I don't think we should restrict the types of questions people can ask. Do you?
Let's be honest as well, my guess is that we (myself included) have become MORE educated over the years with regard to animal welfare. Perhaps at one time we saw nothing wrong with breeding two dogs, we had never heard of the term BYB, and we were oblivious to how many pets are euthanized each year. We were not mean, we were just ignorant. Blissfully ignorant. Puppies and kittens are so cute after all....who wouldn't want a cute puppy or kitten?

I think this is the mindset for the MAJORITY of people...simply because they don't have the knowledge that we have. NOT because they are bad people.

So I put it out point blank - should we restrict people from asking distasteful questions such as BYB questions? Yup it's a tough one.
Honest opinions as always please. :grouphug:

Thanks!

Marko
ADMIN

hazelrunpack
August 6th, 2007, 02:25 PM
I'd hate to see posts censored to that extent, Marko. I think a lot of the OPs posing breeding questions are trolls, but there are some who are well-meaning but uneducated, and some (as megan brought up) are people who know better but have found themselves in a position where an animal they adopted is already pregnant. There is always the health forum to post in--a lot of those questions end up there as it is. And in most cases, the only advice we can offer is for them to find a vet for help and try to convince them to spay/neuter in the future. :shrug: But I think some of the people who have posted with breeding/pregnancy/delivery questions have been educated in the end. If even one person has a change of heart, it's worth a little aggravation from the trolls IMO.

That being said, though, I think a change of the subforum name is a good idea. I do think that a lot of people are misreading "Breed Discussion" as "Breeding Discussion".

dtbmnec
August 6th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Dogwalker: I don't know if all the posts relating to "what to do with my pregnant dog/cat" should necessarily go into a BYB Breeding forum. I mean its not fair to label the people who have become randomly adopted by pregnant dogs and cats as BYB because they found them that way. It just seems incredibly rude to do so.

I know that if I were in those people's shoes I would HATE to be labeled as such, both because I know what I know and because I wouldn't help feeling like it was "my fault" that the abandoned dog from down the street adopted ME while pregnant. It wouldn't take new posters very long to realize the board's general feelings on BYB. Nor would I be entirely sure that the feelings towards BYB wouldn't spill over into other areas of the forum (ie. puppy gets sick, and I'm told "oh well then you should have thought about that BEFORE breeding puppy!" kind of thing). I'm not saying it would happen but it COULD happen.

Perhaps a subforum of sorts on what to do if a pet adopts you while pregnant? That way people can post their "SOS" threads and STILL get the advice they needed without having the label of a BYB? Unfortunately, when you go with something like that, you will likely end up with people who do breed regardless of ethics coming in for help. But we seem to do just fine with the pet health forum: some come in definitely needing vet help NOW, while others just want to vent about how their silly dog/cat got into this or that, still others have a non-life threatening post about a variety of other issues too and WILL take puppy/kitty to the vet but it isn't needed right this instant.


I think the thread locking needs to be based on the feel of the thread. You can often tell the difference between "dude my dogs just went at it" type threads and "well we're thinking we want to breed out dogs so we can have cute pups to give to our friends."

If it seems like an obvious post to simply stir us up/not bother with any more information than my example maybe lock it? But if its a real clueless/blissfully ignorant person then perhaps simply let it ride. Let members post not just "go spay neuter now" but give reasons too? Inform people of the cancers and other benefits to spaying and neutering.

If they don't come back in x number of months/days/whatever to repost then lock it/archive it so new people HAVE to make a new thread. So then that way you don't actually get three people all posting about how they're puppy randomly got pregnant all in one thread.


I personally had never thought of breeding dogs or cats (it always seemed to much work LOL) so it wasn't ever a concern. I didn't however think that I should have neutered the boys when I first came here. I figured, well indoor cats, not let out, what's the point? Then the more I read, the sillier those feelings/ideas had seemed.

My :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: (hey, its long, gotta be worth more than 2 cents)

Megan

dogwalker
August 6th, 2007, 02:57 PM
dtbmnec: point well taken. I can see how calling the subforum backyard breeding can be considered rude. I wasn't trying to imply that the person who adopted the pregnant critter was a byb, just that the poor critter being adopted was a problem associated with backyard breeding or random pregnancies. sorry I made things confusing.

Frenchy
August 6th, 2007, 03:23 PM
I mean its not fair to label the people who have become randomly adopted by pregnant dogs and cats as BYB because they found them that way.
Megan

Franctly , how many of those do we get ? Not a lot , so they could just go to the health forum , simple no ?

I think you guys have way too much tolerance, even if people don't know any better , how hard could it be to pick up the phone book and call a vet ???

Until you've been to the emergency with a foster that almost died delivering , really , you don't know how important it is for these people to consult a vet. :shrug:

My reply to these people will always be : bring the dog to a vet, this is not the place to ask this.

rainbow
August 6th, 2007, 07:08 PM
I'd hate to see posts censored to that extent, Marko. I think a lot of the OPs posing breeding questions are trolls, but there are some who are well-meaning but uneducated, and some (as megan brought up) are people who know better but have found themselves in a position where an animal they adopted is already pregnant. There is always the health forum to post in--a lot of those questions end up there as it is. And in most cases, the only advice we can offer is for them to find a vet for help and try to convince them to spay/neuter in the future. :shrug: But I think some of the people who have posted with breeding/pregnancy/delivery questions have been educated in the end. If even one person has a change of heart, it's worth a little aggravation from the trolls IMO.

That being said, though, I think a change of the subforum name is a good idea. I do think that a lot of people are misreading "Breed Discussion" as "Breeding Discussion".


I agree with Hazel. Also, I think Breed Characteristics and Traits is a good title. :thumbs up

LavenderRott
August 6th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Geez. Sometimes I really like to come up with a new way to call someone an idiot. :eek: :D :angel:

mummummum
August 6th, 2007, 11:49 PM
Geez. Sometimes I really like to come up with a new way to call someone an idiot. :eek: :D :angel:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Yup. Yup. Yup. I know a million ways to call someone an eejit but most of them are government-speak and flys right over them :rolleyes:

Personally, I think I'm going to find me a "special" smilie. :D

I wonder if we could do a little word play with Hazel's (and other's) suggestion. Instead of "breed characteristics and traits" we switcheroo it to "Character and Traits of Dog & Cat Breeds". It reverses the emphasis from BREED (breeding) to character and traits.

marko
August 7th, 2007, 09:07 AM
Dear members,

As per your suggestions we have changed the title and the description of the Breed Discussion forum. It WAS

Breed Discussion and information
This forum is dedicated to discussions and information related to specific breeds.Please no selling! Please don't post requests for breeding partners. Posts of this nature will be deleted.

and has been changed to

Breed characteristics and traits
Forum dedicated to information on the character and traits of dog & cat breeds.Please no selling & NO requests for breeding partners. Posts of this nature will be deleted.

I sure hope this makes things clearer.


Originally Posted by hazelrunpack
I'd hate to see posts censored to that extent, Marko. I think a lot of the OPs posing breeding questions are trolls, but there are some who are well-meaning but uneducated, and some (as megan brought up) are people who know better but have found themselves in a position where an animal they adopted is already pregnant. There is always the health forum to post in--a lot of those questions end up there as it is. And in most cases, the only advice we can offer is for them to find a vet for help and try to convince them to spay/neuter in the future. But I think some of the people who have posted with breeding/pregnancy/delivery questions have been educated in the end. If even one person has a change of heart, it's worth a little aggravation from the trolls IMO.

That being said, though, I think a change of the subforum name is a good idea. I do think that a lot of people are misreading "Breed Discussion" as "Breeding Discussion".

I too am glad that members are not into censoring these threads, I just wanted to get a feel for how the members feel on this issue. Although, yes there are trolls, IMO there are probably many more people in need of education and their ignorance seems trollish.

Thanks,

Marko
ADMIN

Frenchy
August 7th, 2007, 10:13 AM
Thanks Marko :highfive: