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From Orlando Craigslist R & R: re: Michael Vick

mummummum
July 24th, 2007, 01:49 PM
This post from Orlando's Craigslist Rants & Raves deserves re-posting ~I've voted it for a "Best-of" on Craig's List

http://orlando.craigslist.org/rnr/380940297.html
Michael Vick & FAM - I truly HATE YOU!

It's part of our culture as country boys to throw dogs into a pit and watch them shred each other to pieces, fighting to the death, while wagering ginormous sums of money on the outcome ... This was Atlanta Falcon's quarterback, Michael Vick's explanation for having 66 dogs on his property along with a dogfighting pit and voluminous piles of equipment used in the blood-sport on his property in Virginia. Okay, I'm paraphrasing but that really was his explanation. In this case, the sums of money, wagered by Michael Vick on his dogs while fighting, is estimated to be $30,000 to $50,000 per fight.
Okay, so if you believe that it's part of country culture, then you may also want to take the anti-abortion-evangelical-christian, Reverend, Neal Horsley's statements regarding having sex with farm animals as the gospel truth for growing up in the country, Horsley claimed that if you grew up on a farm in Georgia then your first girlfriend was a mule. Come on Country Folk, doesn't this just rankle you a bit? (Hey, I got to use the word "rankle") The subterfuge surrounding the weak explanation for pitting dogs against each other, so grown men can get some sadistic charge out of watching animals tear each other to pieces, is an obvious smoke screen for guys who have borderline personalities and lack a conscience. Why are the people involved in dogfights trying to explain their behavior as part of growing up in the country? If it's a culture-thing then where is the pride? I've never seen the dogfighting people marching in the St Patrick's Day Parade with a big float being represented by Princess-Pit-Bull and her court. Where I come from, we have chile cook-offs and invite friends over for a few adult libations and a steak, we don't breed animals so we can get our rocks off watching them rip each others appendages off. We reserve that for Mike Tyson pay-per-view fights.

Country people should be up in arms, grabbing their pitchforks and storming the court house to defend their wholesome country ways. After looking into the ugly story and the reality of dogfighting I found that this practice is widespread and worldwide, reaching all parts of the globe. It's a big deal in Asia and Eastern Europe. Banned in the UK, fighting rings still thrives there underground. Dogfights take place in Latin America and the Philippines. It happens in Australia and Spain. Here in America, I picture wide-eyed white guys standing next to wide eyed black guys, both with a trace of drool they keep wiping with their sleeve, holding a wad of cash in one hand and a bottle of Coors in the other while screaming and pounding their cash filled hand down on a blood stained table, cheering for their favorite dog to kill the other dog. I picture them dressed in bubba overalls and work boots. I imagine the dirt filled lot next door filled with Ford Super Duty F-350's punctuated by the occasional Hummer along with the scent of oil and gasoline. A dark, little, latino man gives a knowing wink to some of the regulars as they saunter and stumble into the pit area and place their bets and grab a brew. By the way, since when do country folk have thousands of dollars to throw around at any sporting event, much less a dog fight in some Virginia back yard? I think someone is trying to pull the proverbial wool over my grey-blue eyes. The country people I know work hard for a living and the most they spend going out, is an annual outing to the County Fair and maybe a family day at the ballpark to watch the home team maybe win. Okay, so I don't know "lots and lots" of country people but I have some Dolly Parton on my iPod, that counts doesn't it?

Not only did the feds find the 66 dogs and fighting paraphernalia at Vick's house they uncovered an extensive gambling operation and informants told tales of how Vick and others killed dogs who were not performing up to par. The methods of euthanasia varied from slamming the dog against the ground, hanging them and wetting down the dog and then electrocuting it. This was all done without benefit of a trial there was not a jury of 12 like-minded dogs- these dogs were just executed for not being mean enough to kill their own kind. If the cigar smoking dogs in those paintings had anything to say about it then the outcome would have been a lot different. Those damned woodsy folk sure know how to spend a day in the country. Out of the 66 dogs, 55 were pit bulls. They were starved prior to fights and chained to car axles in a yard unable to reach each other, a typical method insuring that the dogs would not become socialized and grew particularly aggressive. Sounds like a real love-fest.

Doesn't the NFL pay these guys enough to keep them from resorting to killing animals for the fun of killing? Michael Vick's multimillion dollar salary should have covered all kinds of outrageous activities so why the dogfighting? Couldn't Vick just buy a few hookers and an eight-ball like other sports figures, D.C. Mayors and a few congressmen? Did he have to go off the deep end and further embarrass the state of Georgia? Didn't Georgia have enough to cope with from it's past? The Reverend Neal Horsley and Wayne Williams of the Atlanta Child Murder fame should have been enough to keep Georgia busy for years to come in the scandal department.

Why, if I were a country girl I think I'd have to get spittin' mad. In fact, I think I'll cancel my subscription to Country Living Magazine. I'll never look at a country fried steak the same way again.

chico2
July 24th, 2007, 04:23 PM
WOW 3Xmum,that was powerfully horrible,a read for everyone who doubts Vicks guilt in all this,personally I hope he and his cohorts rot in hell:evil:
His culture:confused: what culture is that:confused:

mummummum
July 24th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Frightening how truly evil he is, isn't it ? Bet John Denver's hit "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" will be getting a little more air play and not in a good way.

griffey13
July 28th, 2007, 07:23 PM
PETA put a ton of pressure on both Nike and Reebok who have both agreed to stop selling Vick's products and have suspended their contracts with him without pay to avoid the protests that PETA planned outside all of Nike's stores!!! Both companies have issued statements stating that:

"Nike has suspended Michael Vick's contract without pay, and will not sell any more Michael Vick product at Nike-owned retail at this time."

"While we respect the legal process we find the allegations against Mr. Vick too disturbing to ignore, therefore, we have decided to immediately suspend selling Vick NFL product, both at retail and online through the Reebok website."

Yeah PETA, Nike and Reebok!!! Hopefully the NFL will follow suit...

mummummum
July 28th, 2007, 07:35 PM
Chalk one up for Peta, Nike and Reebok ~ :thumbs up

TeriM
July 28th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Great post mum3 :thumbs up . I am so glad that his sponsors are finally listening to the pressure and have "suspended" him .... now we only need to hope his sorry sick exsistance gets sent to prison :fingerscr .

babyrocky1
July 29th, 2007, 09:58 PM
Great Post MUMumumum! how do you find these things... LOL
Im glad Nike has dumped him.... but I, like most everyone else on here want him in JAIL!
I think its somewhat hypocritical of PETA to be standing up for "pit bulls" considering there own record, but I guess well take it where we can get it... !

chico2
July 30th, 2007, 07:19 AM
babyrocky,I seem to recall that too,Peta wanted ALL pitties dead at one time..:sad:
However if they can keep these protests going until November(courtdate),so people do not forget,it can only be good..
I know we will never forget,but often times people do.:sad:

seeker
July 30th, 2007, 07:43 PM
As we know Vick pleaded Not Guilty on the charges but today one of the other men charged along with him entered a Guilty plea. Hopefully this guy "sings" and takes Vic to jail with him.

want4rain
July 30th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Chris and i were both pretty excited about that.

-ash

CyberKitten
July 30th, 2007, 08:42 PM
This whole situation is so sick!! I don't think it reflects rural culture at all - whoever made that analysis is just wrong. The people I know in rural areas - many of my patients live in small towns or on farms have never even heard f this kind of thing much less do fighting f any kind.

I DO think there is something to be said bout the violent lyrics being allowed on some of the rap music (not all of it, do not want to condemn an entire genre) and we should be speaking out about that! These are the same lyrics that think being violent toward women is just fine too. It concerns me that kids will hear all this and see someone of his stature - I never judge anyone until it is proven s/he is guilty and if he is guilty, I hope he gets the maximum sentence! It does seem incongruent that he did not know what was going on there though on his own property. I will wait for the trial if one does occur - you know how some of these guys make side deals and please bargain and he looks rather arrogant so I would not put anything past him. My heart goes out to those poor dogs - and to think people were taking their children to these eve nts! My God!

We need to use this opportunity to pass legislation against dog fighting and while it is illegal in most jurisdictions, the penalties must be harsher and the crime taken more seriously so it is not done so blatantly!

Jim Hall
July 31st, 2007, 07:32 PM
the whole indictment is posted on www.slate.com

badger
July 31st, 2007, 08:12 PM
Some say that the other guy pled guilty to help Vick, not to (further) incriminate him; but obviously that's not true. He's talking already and the press is printing it. He says he's not getting any consideration from the authorities. So what could be his motive? Protective custody?
I think they've got a TON of evidence against these guys, the defense can only fight for leniency.
People are really talking about this, maybe it will lead to better enforcement and even discussion about violence in the society as a whole.
The Iraq occupation is costing the US two billion dollars a day.

chico2
August 1st, 2007, 06:32 AM
Rawlings,another company gave Vick products the boot:thumbs up
There is also a 2 page spread in the Globe magazine(gossip-rag)depicting in gory details what was happening at Vicks estate.
There is no way this man is innocent,or did not know what was going on..
I suppose the 60 dogs taken were euthanized,sad,but probably the best for them.
Hopefully some pups were saved,since Vick describes himself as a legit,registered "breeder":frustrated:

mummummum
August 2nd, 2007, 12:26 AM
As we know Vick pleaded Not Guilty on the charges but today one of the other men charged along with him entered a Guilty plea. Hopefully this guy "sings" and takes Vic to jail with him.

keep us tuned in on this Seeker...

seeker
August 2nd, 2007, 07:21 PM
It might get a little quiet as it gets closer to a court date.
I have seen most of the info on Vick at yahoo.com sports news
Try this
http://news.yahoo.com/l/1357;_ylt=ahdbvsgvc2px7bxpl5wz1wmlmxif
This link kind of gets you there you have to click on sports then football .There are a few stories about Vick in there. Sorry about the bad link but I have no idea how to fix it.

mummummum
August 2nd, 2007, 07:26 PM
I only get a map of the US with that link Seeker...

seeker
August 2nd, 2007, 07:36 PM
There should be a heading and in about the middle it says sports that should get you to a list of them scroll down to football, click on that the stories on Vick are in there.
If that doesn't work go to http://news.yahoo.com I know the heading is on that page.

mummummum
August 2nd, 2007, 07:48 PM
Okay for others with cranky 'puters like mine ... there's this:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/falcons/2007-08-02-nfl-report_N.htm?csp=34

and this :yuck: one (SHAME on NAACP !!!!):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20096856/site/newsweek/?from=rss

and this :yuck: ~ hey I'm a guy, he's a guy crap
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080102193.html

and http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20082273/

but here's the who yahoo list from Seeker

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=vick&c=

seeker
August 17th, 2007, 03:20 PM
More on Vick[moron]. The 2 other men charged along with him plea bargained today and stated in the plea that Vick killed some of the dogs that either lost of underperformed in testing. The document said he hung or drowned about 8 dogs.
I say let's go "old testament" on this one ,you know an eye for an eye that type of punishment.

chico2
August 17th, 2007, 03:56 PM
Seeker,as it stands now,Vick could not possibly go to trial,his cohorts will testify against him.
Vick will have no choice but to pleabargain and get off with probably just a fine:evil: Hopefully his career is over at least:pray:

seeker
August 17th, 2007, 06:00 PM
Yeah Chico2 if he gets a conviction or pleads guilty and bargains it is likely the NFL will not want to touch this guy with a 10 foot pole. I believe he will have already played his last game in an NFL uniform in either case.
If there can be anything good about this it is that it has brought this dog fighting out of the barns of remote country farms and plastered it in fornt of the world to see . Maybe the public will finally see the dogs as " the victims" that they truely are and understand that at the end of every lease there is a human that is in full control of what the animals is or becomes.

badger
August 17th, 2007, 11:33 PM
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13918614/detail.html
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

chico2
August 18th, 2007, 06:54 AM
Badger,thank's:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
I am really encouraged by all the negative media Vick gets,on TV and even in the Toronto Star,almost every day..
Had this happened in Canada(Ontario)it would have been hushed down and swept under the rug by now:evil:

seeker
August 18th, 2007, 07:13 AM
Good link Badger. It is interesting to see the results of those surveys too.
I heard today on 680news that Vick and his lawyers are considering a plea and like you said chico he really has little choice.